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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 10:39:40 pm »

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Duuring,
he British government wasn't worse then any government at the time.
I agree... i guess colonists should have just sucked it up?... thankfully they did not do that.
"You are comparing 18th century systems with 21st century values, of course they are going to look bad."
Not at all, I'm comparing what was before the Independence and after.
"You are saying that in no more then three generations all the British people in the colonies changed from Brits to full-blooded Americans with their own culture and values etc etc. "
You ought to read some founding fathers, none of them considered himself British... besides many colonists were born in the colonies and did not considered themselves "red blooded Brits". There was also a significant number of people living in the colonies who weren't even of British origin.
All they didn't want was pay taxes.
Actually they did not want to pay taxes without representation. And they wanted other freedoms, which were granted consequently by the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
And with 'all', I mean the rich planters, who didn't care one way or the other about the peasantry.
Peasantry ceased to exist in America by definition once the country separated itself from the shackles of monarchy.

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I said keep the conversation on-topic didn't I? And that was definitely before you were even looking at this thread.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 10:24:35 pm »

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Mr T,
"Oh I'm not communicating like an adult am I? I believe I've been as civil and adult as I can with you. I don't believe you deserve to be treated as an adult."
quite typical for people like you-self-centered, mentally unstable, lacking respect, and for some reason the one that thinks that his opinion is the only one that counts.   
"When did you say the British were tyrants? Are you serious? You just said it there "the regime was tyrannical", which is exactly the same as say that the British were tyrants."
No its not... too bad you can't comprehend it.
Can you give me any evidence whatsoever, that the British were "tyrannical and oppressive towards the colonies. Are there any examples of them, mistreating Colonists and suppressing them with violence and taking away their rights? ".
Townshend Acts, the Stamp Act, and the Tea Act, Boston Massacre.
"the British offered people, anyone, Including Americans land in Canada"
Land in Canada? No thanks...
Now the Canadians were perfectly happy with being under British rule, it certainly was not oppressive and tyrannical, why would it be different with Central America?
You realize the population discrepancy between the Colonies and Canada... Canada is not a very hospitable place to live. Canadians had their reasons to side with British, Colonies had their reasons to side against them.

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Do not insult others; argue points, not people.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 10:00:15 pm »

Ililsa,
"These are Americans who are about as Irish as I am German"
I dare you to come to St.Patrick's Day parade and make this statement to American Irishmen... make sure you purchase good health insurance before attempting it.

Please use the modify button; do not multi-post.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:57:20 pm »

Duuring,
I never met an Irish(in America) who considers himself/herself British... in a matter of fact that probably would be a pretty bad insult to call one British.

That is because the Irish existed a good thousand years before being conquered, county by county, by the English. You do know what a colony is, right?

and that means what precisely... are they English now? or British? or still Irish? or some kinda three in one?

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:55:30 pm »

that doesn't make the Irish less British though, how much they may hate it.

you tell them sonny

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:54:07 pm »

What Bluehawk was saying that it shouldn't be claimed that the citizens of the Thirteen Colonies saw themselves as Americans.

He just used big words.

well, I can say that it shouldn't be claimed that they saw themselves as British either.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:51:27 pm »

Just the point that Yaro didnt reply to mine before this one, proves he can't counter it =D

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you realize that I talk to 4 people at once?... my apologize for not responding to your nonsense in timely fashion.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:46:48 pm »

Mr T
"Because you clearly have a MAJOR sense of bias and one-sidedness that gives Americans a bad hearing, you clearly have that attitude that gives Americans a bad name, that "Ooooh 'MURICA land of freedom, liberty, the British were tyrants who needed to be stopped with their evil! Blablablablacrap".
First of all, I don't have any bias, and I've never word by word said what your wrote about what I presumably said, so you might want to stop with clowning and begin to communicate like a grown up. I think you interpreted what I said the way you did because you are having hard time accepting the fact that Britain wronged colonies and suffered consequences because of it. Once again my so called "attitude", is nothing more than your imagination playing tricks on you. In a matter of fact I think you are the one who has some kinda stinky attitude about the whole thing. I noticed it among europeans that whenever you start mentioning America and how much you cherish our history, values and freedoms all of a sudden they become all butthurt and begin spazzing all over the thread with "MURICA and other nonsense.
"As a British person, I can accept that Britain did many bad things in its history, every country has in their history, America no exception, but to say that the British were evil tyrants in the Americas? Just not true."
When did i say that British were tyrants? What I insinuated precisely was that the regime was tyrannical and oppressive towards the colonies.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:27:01 pm »

Duuring,
I never met an Irish(in America) who considers himself/herself British... in a matter of fact that probably would be a pretty bad insult to call one British.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:24:39 pm »

Bluehawk,
"do not imply that it is an objective fact universally observed by all that Americans had a fully developed national consciousness", and why not? I would like you to elaborate before I respond.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:16:54 pm »

Jocam,
You can stop your nonsense... I've never said anything about America being awesome or any of that gibberish that you scribbled... All I was talking so far was American Revolutionary War and that is it.

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:11:52 pm »

Mr T,
Just because you agree with someone like Nipples doesn't make him right. Who made you the judge of what makes Americans look bad. I also like to hear what exactly makes me as American look bad.
You said it right... America was OWNED by British... it WASN'T Great Britain, it wanted to be independent or at least to have representation... but no, all British wanted was keeping colonies as supply depot from which they can take whatever they like, whenever they like and how much they like on a whim of some royal prick...

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:03:59 pm »

Nipplestockings,
Since when American tells another American what to do? Get off your pseudo-intellectual stance, you actually haven't said anything intelligent to contribute to this conversation. "You making Americans look bad"----how? explain how am I making Americans look bad?

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 08:56:56 pm »

 Duuring,
Quartering soldiers was not a normal business if those soldiers were not from your country, Americans quartering American soldiers during time of war is not the same as British soldiers barging into my house based on some illegal act that some king decided to pass through his puppet parliament...
I don't understand what you mean by saying that American system was somehow similar to taxation w/o representation... You basically insinuating that American Constitution was somehow unfair or what?

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Historical Discussion / Re: Great Armies, which was your favorite?

« on: April 09, 2013, 08:48:09 pm »

Duuring,
Whatever your country did for America(if that was really ya'lls agenda?) is admirable and Americans are thankful for your nation's help. However, don't try to convince me that Dutch, Spanish or French somehow won the war and not American patriots. Even with all your "help", it was a simple American soldier standing in line firing his musket who won the war, and if it wasn't for that soldier, none of your dollars and supplies would have mattered much, cause that is not what is turning the tides of conflict.