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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #840 on: July 24, 2021, 03:19:01 pm »
We already thought long ago about making it seasonal and with leaderboards, for example, I'm not as active as I was. U have pickups in 45th and 55th. I think it's fine for now. I will probably do a season close to Christmas, but I'm not sure. It's still a lot of questions. If any1 is interested in helping, or just giving some suggestions im all ears. But im pretty sure most of them include seasonal wbmm.
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can someone tell me something about pickups? or ill be banned on both :o
Join their ts server and they play around midnights, but carefull you'll be asked to join their regiment in both
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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #841 on: July 24, 2021, 03:30:04 pm »
We already thought long ago about making it seasonal and with leaderboards, for example, I'm not as active as I was. U have pickups in 45th and 55th. I think it's fine for now. I will probably do a season close to Christmas, but I'm not sure. It's still a lot of questions. If any1 is interested in helping, or just giving some suggestions im all ears. But im pretty sure most of them include seasonal wbmm.
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can someone tell me something about pickups? or ill be banned on both :o
Join their ts server and they play around midnights, but carefull you'll be asked to join their regiment in both
I never got asked to join 45thN on 55th ts
maybe someone asked u to join 55th in 45thN ts?

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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #842 on: July 27, 2021, 05:42:34 pm »
btw wbmm > gf server

idk why everyone stopped playing
because lapache's brain still hasn't worked out that he has to make it seasonal to make it work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or I just don't care enough. I'm quite active on native again and people like you are just not worth the effort. Sorry for everyone else.
you still didnt do anything in the early days of mm back when u were active even though it'd already been mentionned multiple times so ye nah i stand by my initial hypothesis
It was active for quite some time and now people seem to have played enough for now. I don't exactly see your point. Why would I make it only temporary available while people were still willing to play? As long as people want to play, and matches were happening there was literally no reason to shut it down. Currently there isn't enough intrest anymore and people are having a break of it. I don't see a big issue in that and neither should you unless you wanna play so desperately on broken servers, with shit admins or whatever you kept crying about on this thread . I won't bother looking your weep posts up.

Didn't do anything? I did enough spending countless hours making it happen, looking for devs, convincing our devs, finding admins, setting up servers, looking for new hosts, trying out different servers, helping people with their accounts or occurring issues with other people etc. You seem to be forgetting that I still do all of this stuff for fun and that Matchmaking exists on native as well adding other regions that require assistance as well.
you not seeing my point is precisely the issue. MM's activity relied solely on being fueled by hype and momentum that can be sustained only by having a break every now and then and i dont understand how it can be that hard to conceive the idea that making it available 24/7 to the players would inevitably make them lose interest. I can make a comparison with LoL and a game-mode called URF that they made seasonal precisely for the aformentionned reasons
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if you dont wanna take it from me, take it from an actual game design company. Perhaps not the best balance team but they know a thing or two about playerbase management.

doing it for fun or not is irrelevant. MM started, you got feedback, you ignored it, MM died, end of story. I dont think it had anything to do with "not caring", i think you just made a mistake - i wont label it as lack of commitment since you seem to genuinely not know what i'm on about + you just gave me a long list as evidence of your commitment - and i wouldnt mind had you acknowledged it instead of dismissing criticism as weep posts, had you simply provided a brief explanation as to why you wouldnt change it, or had you even specified from the beginning that u wanted this to be a one-time thing and not a lasting game-mode, but you didnt so :D
You took "didnt do anything" too literally, i meant you didnt act upon the suggestion of making it seasonal even though it was credible. There's even a good chance that it actually would've required less work than having to manage it full-time, but again it just seems you just never cared to think it through

apparently i come across as ungrateful and rude? im not, the combination of wasted potential of a good idea compounded by how effortlessly it couldve been avoided just baffles me. W/e past is past i guess so no point discussing it, if you bring this back in the future for whatever reason i can only hope that you wont be arrogant like crusher and ignore feedback on no other (irrelevant) grounds than "they never admin"

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« Last Edit: July 28, 2021, 12:12:21 am by LaPache »
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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #843 on: July 27, 2021, 07:09:33 pm »
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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #844 on: July 28, 2021, 12:12:40 am »
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btw wbmm > gf server

idk why everyone stopped playing
because lapache's brain still hasn't worked out that he has to make it seasonal to make it work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or I just don't care enough. I'm quite active on native again and people like you are just not worth the effort. Sorry for everyone else.
you still didnt do anything in the early days of mm back when u were active even though it'd already been mentionned multiple times so ye nah i stand by my initial hypothesis
It was active for quite some time and now people seem to have played enough for now. I don't exactly see your point. Why would I make it only temporary available while people were still willing to play? As long as people want to play, and matches were happening there was literally no reason to shut it down. Currently there isn't enough intrest anymore and people are having a break of it. I don't see a big issue in that and neither should you unless you wanna play so desperately on broken servers, with shit admins or whatever you kept crying about on this thread . I won't bother looking your weep posts up.

Didn't do anything? I did enough spending countless hours making it happen, looking for devs, convincing our devs, finding admins, setting up servers, looking for new hosts, trying out different servers, helping people with their accounts or occurring issues with other people etc. You seem to be forgetting that I still do all of this stuff for fun and that Matchmaking exists on native as well adding other regions that require assistance as well.
you not seeing my point is precisely the issue. MM's activity relied solely on being fueled by hype and momentum that can be sustained only by having a break every now and then and i dont understand how it can be that hard to conceive the idea that making it available 24/7 to the players would inevitably make them lose interest. I can make a comparison with LoL and a game-mode called URF that they made seasonal precisely for the aformentionned reasons
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if you dont wanna take it from me, take it from an actual game design company. Perhaps not the best balance team but they know a thing or two about playerbase management.

doing it for fun or not is irrelevant. MM started, you got feedback, you ignored it, MM died, end of story. I dont think it had anything to do with "not caring", i think you just made a mistake - i wont label it as lack of commitment since you seem to genuinely not know what i'm on about + you just gave me a long list as evidence of your commitment - and i wouldnt mind had you acknowledged it instead of dismissing criticism as weep posts, had you simply provided a brief explanation as to why you wouldnt change it, or had you even specified from the beginning that u wanted this to be a one-time thing and not a lasting game-mode, but you didnt so :D
You took "didnt do anything" too literally, i meant you didnt act upon the suggestion of making it seasonal even though it was credible. There's even a good chance that it actually would've required less work than having to manage it full-time, but again it just seems you just never cared to think it through

apparently i come across as ungrateful and rude? im not, the combination of wasted potential of a good idea compounded by how effortlessly it couldve been avoided just baffles me. W/e past is past i guess so no point discussing it, if you bring this back in the future for whatever reason i can only hope that you wont be arrogant like crusher and ignore feedback on no other (irrelevant) grounds than "they never admin"

stay safe and get the vaccin bois
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I simply don't want to make it seasonal. People played it twice for quite some time. Then after a while they stopped and as it seems they are starting to play it again now. If people wish to take a break they can do so. MM can consistently survive so proven in different regions and native which is active pretty much since it came out, so 2018. By your logic I would let people only play for let's say 1month and then shut it down for a month. But that would simply prevent people from playing who still wish to play. There are those who will almost never get bored of MM. I don't see a big loss by simply letting the community decide when they wish to take a break. And now it's active again for anyone who wishes to play.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2021, 12:17:20 am by Aidan »

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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #845 on: July 28, 2021, 03:33:06 am »
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btw wbmm > gf server

idk why everyone stopped playing
because lapache's brain still hasn't worked out that he has to make it seasonal to make it work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or I just don't care enough. I'm quite active on native again and people like you are just not worth the effort. Sorry for everyone else.
you still didnt do anything in the early days of mm back when u were active even though it'd already been mentionned multiple times so ye nah i stand by my initial hypothesis
It was active for quite some time and now people seem to have played enough for now. I don't exactly see your point. Why would I make it only temporary available while people were still willing to play? As long as people want to play, and matches were happening there was literally no reason to shut it down. Currently there isn't enough intrest anymore and people are having a break of it. I don't see a big issue in that and neither should you unless you wanna play so desperately on broken servers, with shit admins or whatever you kept crying about on this thread . I won't bother looking your weep posts up.

Didn't do anything? I did enough spending countless hours making it happen, looking for devs, convincing our devs, finding admins, setting up servers, looking for new hosts, trying out different servers, helping people with their accounts or occurring issues with other people etc. You seem to be forgetting that I still do all of this stuff for fun and that Matchmaking exists on native as well adding other regions that require assistance as well.
you not seeing my point is precisely the issue. MM's activity relied solely on being fueled by hype and momentum that can be sustained only by having a break every now and then and i dont understand how it can be that hard to conceive the idea that making it available 24/7 to the players would inevitably make them lose interest. I can make a comparison with LoL and a game-mode called URF that they made seasonal precisely for the aformentionned reasons
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if you dont wanna take it from me, take it from an actual game design company. Perhaps not the best balance team but they know a thing or two about playerbase management.

doing it for fun or not is irrelevant. MM started, you got feedback, you ignored it, MM died, end of story. I dont think it had anything to do with "not caring", i think you just made a mistake - i wont label it as lack of commitment since you seem to genuinely not know what i'm on about + you just gave me a long list as evidence of your commitment - and i wouldnt mind had you acknowledged it instead of dismissing criticism as weep posts, had you simply provided a brief explanation as to why you wouldnt change it, or had you even specified from the beginning that u wanted this to be a one-time thing and not a lasting game-mode, but you didnt so :D
You took "didnt do anything" too literally, i meant you didnt act upon the suggestion of making it seasonal even though it was credible. There's even a good chance that it actually would've required less work than having to manage it full-time, but again it just seems you just never cared to think it through

apparently i come across as ungrateful and rude? im not, the combination of wasted potential of a good idea compounded by how effortlessly it couldve been avoided just baffles me. W/e past is past i guess so no point discussing it, if you bring this back in the future for whatever reason i can only hope that you wont be arrogant like crusher and ignore feedback on no other (irrelevant) grounds than "they never admin"

stay safe and get the vaccin bois
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I simply don't want to make it seasonal. People played it twice for quite some time. Then after a while they stopped and as it seems they are starting to play it again now. If people wish to take a break they can do so. MM can consistently survive so proven in different regions and native which is active pretty much since it came out, so 2018. By your logic I would let people only play for let's say 1month and then shut it down for a month. But that would simply prevent people from playing who still wish to play. There are those who will almost never get bored of MM. I don't see a big loss by simply letting the community decide when they wish to take a break. And now it's active again for anyone who wishes to play.

Just to reiterate on this, if people are keen to play WBMM then its up to your volition t just get your mates round and play a few 3v3s then maybe get people on for a 6v6 match. If people want to play WBMM, players on 45thN Official WBMM TS are always down for it. Today we almost had three lobbies going at 11pm CET which is pretty encouraging considering its a Tuesday night in the summer

Ultimately its up to the community to kick start WBMM if they so wish and it shouldnt fall onto the LaPache to launch a WBMM revival campaign. The tools are all there for you guys to get people on, it's just up to you guys to get it back on track for however long itll last :P

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« Last Edit: July 28, 2021, 03:34:59 am by maskmanmarks »
So let’s just ignore someone like Maskman who knows next to nothing about leading and the capabilities of regiments performing well in a linebattle type of event.
To state that anyone on a “good day could beat the 77y/15thYR” is just a meme of its own, if that was the case why don't you beat the 77y or 15thYR then!?

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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #846 on: July 28, 2021, 12:00:06 pm »
maybe one of the reasons is because its dead is because the official wbmm ts is the 45thn ts!!!

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« Reply #847 on: July 28, 2021, 01:04:34 pm »
maybe one of the reasons is because its dead is because the official wbmm ts is the 45thn ts!!!
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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #848 on: July 28, 2021, 01:26:40 pm »
Poor Stockholm can never come to a WBMM game again
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« Reply #849 on: July 28, 2021, 01:41:28 pm »
poor regiment jealous lol

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« Reply #850 on: July 28, 2021, 01:54:49 pm »
Poor Stockholm can never come to a WBMM game again

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« Reply #851 on: July 28, 2021, 02:08:27 pm »
maybe one of the reasons is because its dead is because the official wbmm ts is the 45thn ts!!!
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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #852 on: July 28, 2021, 02:27:51 pm »
From my point of view, DayBould is right.

WBMM came at a late NW stage, so there are many players who completly missed it, so there is a massive player poool, unlike in Native, which don't play 5-10 matches a month for fun. Those players would go on GF, as the GF Server is the thing where you play NW if you want to have some fun.

Best example is now, mm is back, 2 running lobbies at 2am, because it got hyped again

I don't think mm will last longer than a couple of months, if we don't apply any changes and your goal is to keep it running.
I mean, on the other hand, if we continue shutting the servers down cause noone is playing, and then putting some up again few months later, it is basically what dayboul suggested xD


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« Reply #853 on: July 28, 2021, 03:15:12 pm »
From my point of view, DayBould is right.

WBMM came at a late NW stage, so there are many players who completly missed it, so there is a massive player poool, unlike in Native, which don't play 5-10 matches a month for fun. Those players would go on GF, as the GF Server is the thing where you play NW if you want to have some fun.

Best example is now, mm is back, 2 running lobbies at 2am, because it got hyped again

I don't think mm will last longer than a couple of months, if we don't apply any changes and your goal is to keep it running.
I mean, on the other hand, if we continue shutting the servers down cause noone is playing, and then putting some up again few months later, it is basically what dayboul suggested xD
What changes do you suggest? Due to our limited resources and the fact that we are talking about a dying game, I don't see many changes that could be put in place. But I'm open to any suggestions apart from seasonal which I already explained why and the fact that it's basically already the case.

maybe one of the reasons is because its dead is because the official wbmm ts is the 45thn ts!!!
We tried having a neutral ts server officially hosted by MM but it hasn't exactly worked out. At some point people just stop coming there because there is not much going on there. For that reason, I chose a ts with an active player base. I'm not even part of the 45thn myself but it's the ts where most of the MM player base is on and also the ts which I got approached from. Other regimental team speaks are equally biased or worse and none of them had evem approached me. Even though I’m not part of the regiment myself I still think it’s the best ts for this purpose. But if the majority rather have a MM ts then let me know. But for me it would just be unnecessary expenses if nobody uses it after.
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Re: [WBMM] Discussion & Suggestions
« Reply #854 on: July 28, 2021, 03:55:58 pm »
maybe one of the reasons is because its dead is because the official wbmm ts is the 45thn ts!!!

It being on 45thN teamspeak means maximum involvement, it's just unfortunate you were banned for racism!