Turkey's invasion of Northern Cyprus

[The Respected Man]

Armenian genocide is held up against turks just because some of the eu states dont eant turkey to join eu. Let's get real here. Why don't Armenia open their archives for inspection, what do they got to lose? It would just end this case once and for all. If a proper inspection happened and it was proven by experts I would personally apologise for what happened. Quotes and some pictures isn't enough.

Now I know how atheists feel when they talk to religious people lol

It didn't happen? Explains why the Armenians are so dispersed around the middle east and why my great grand mother and great grand father was killed there.

[GoldenEagle]

I don't want to be mean, but you guys seem to never question anything presented to you, and thats what I call stupidness.

What? It's like this is your first post ever on this forum. Nobody agrees on anything here - there are arguments about virtually anything imaginable - people have hundreds of different conflicting opinions and discussions commonly turn into shit flinging contests and have to be shut down. To say that we're all ignorant and gullible in the same way as if we're united against you is idiotic, although very convenient for you, it would seem.

Simply the fact that sentiment regarding the Armenian genocide seems to be roughly unanimous amongst a group of people who can't find anything else to agree upon is fairly remarkable, and maybe goes to show something about the validity of it.

I know there is heated arguments, but there is no need to insult another's intelligence because he disagrees.

[GoldenEagle]

I just hope that the Greeks in cyprus just stop being racist pricks or leave Cyprus. We should really have an independent Cyprus state.

[Gizmo]

You say you believe stuff if there is proof. Then why do you deny the fact that there's so many things, documents, photos etc.. proving the genocide?

[Walko]

You say you believe stuff if there is proof. Then why do you deny the fact that there's so many things, documents, photos etc.. proving the genocide?

[Archduke Sven]

I just hope that the Greeks in cyprus just stop being racist pricks or leave Cyprus. We should really have an independent Cyprus state.

Turk side of Cyprus is run down and looks like shit. Greek side is beautiful. Shows who cares more about the island.

You say you believe stuff if there is proof. Then why do you deny the fact that there's so many things, documents, photos etc.. proving the genocide?

Nah man, over a million people just disappeared or so, probably taken by aliens.

Here are some accounts from Rafael de Nogales, an Officer in the Ottoman army diaries (Some parts re-written into third person by Peter Englund):

'[...]had already heard the rumours, listened to the misgivings and seen the evidence of refugees, burn churches, groups of mutilated Armenian bodies on the side of the road). In a small town on the way to Van, he had seen a mob hunting down and killing all Armenian men in the town - except seven he saved by drawing his pistol.'

Sairt, June 18th 1915
'The slope was crowned with thousands of half-naked and still bleeding bodies, lying in heaps, tangled, as if in a last embrace of death. Fathers, brothers, sons and grandsons lay as they fell from the bullets or the murderers' yatagans. Heartbeats were still pumping the life-blood out of some slashed throats. [...] De Nogales receives confirmation again that the murder of all Christian males over twelve years old is not, as in the past, a more or less spontaneous pogrom, but is actually a thoroughly planned operation conceived at the centre.'

Excerpts from 'The Beauty and the Sorrow' by Peter Englund.

Sorry, but if you deny the armenian genocide, you're a dick.

[GoldenEagle]

Armenian genocide totally happened and I'd better not deny any genocide on a EU message board because that is illegal hah!

EDIT: Change at your own peril, GoldenEagle.

[Nipplestockings]

Well I guess it's because you really don't like muslims? Not really surprising from a Swede. Don't think the average IQ is that high anyway.

Yes, this must be all because of anti-Muslim discrimination! Call the bleeding hearts, they'll blog about it on Tumblr. Armenian genocide confirmed for anti-muslim conspiracy to make Turkey look bad.

And another thing - Your place of residency, Norway isn't so different from Sweden. Might it not be the best idea to insult the people of your host country and its ethnic relatives? I do believe you're being dealt a favor by their acceptance of you. You speak so lowly of your home, perhaps you would enjoy yourself more if you were to move back to Turkey.

[GoldenEagle]

Well I guess it's because you really don't like muslims? Not really surprising from a Swede. Don't think the average IQ is that high anyway.

Yes, this must be all because of anti-Muslim discrimination! Call the bleeding hearts, they'll blog about it on Tumblr. Armenian genocide confirmed for anti-muslim conspiracy to make Turkey look bad.

And another thing - Your place of residency, Norway isn't so different from Sweden. Might it not be the best idea to insult the people of your host country and its ethnic relatives? I do believe you're being dealt a favor by their acceptance of you. You speak so lowly of your home, perhaps you would enjoy yourself more if you were to move back to Turkey.

Who said I wasn't? Turkey's economy is improving (Unlike most EU countries) a lot and people there actually knows how to socialise.

And btw trust me, Norwegians and Swedes are different even though it doesn't seem like it.

[GoldenEagle]

Poor insult as well, stating that the population of Sweden has a bad IQ. It's alright, i would also be angry if i figured out i've been lied to my entire life

Wasn't an insult, was a simple fact 

If you guys really think the western media is always right, keep on dreaming. Swedes is seriously the stupidest people I have met. People may think Norwegians and Swedes is alike, but trust me, that's not true. No wonder there is more swedish teenagers in Norway than actual Norwegians. You guys don't even have jobs for your own teenagers.

[McEwan]

People, stop with the insults; if you can't make intelligent points don't make any, especially if your point is potentially insulting to other people.

[Archduke Sven]

Poor insult as well, stating that the population of Sweden has a bad IQ. It's alright, i would also be angry if i figured out i've been lied to my entire life

Wasn't an insult, was a simple fact 

If you guys really think the western media is always right, keep on dreaming. Swedes is seriously the stupidest people I have met. People may think Norwegians and Swedes is alike, but trust me, that's not true. No wonder there is more swedish teenagers in Norway than actual Norwegians. You guys don't even have jobs for your own teenagers.

Swedes go to work in Norway during the summer because they pay is much higher there lol? I'm doing it myself, i earn about 25% than what i would here in Sweden for the same job. Then again, wouldn't expect you to know anything about that, since you just judge people based off nothing.

Just stating the entire population of Sweden is stupid is ridiculous. Thats like me saying that all we use you Turks for here in Sweden is to make kebab and buy cheap alcohol for teenagers, its all you're qualified for.

[GoldenEagle]

Poor insult as well, stating that the population of Sweden has a bad IQ. It's alright, i would also be angry if i figured out i've been lied to my entire life

Wasn't an insult, was a simple fact 

If you guys really think the western media is always right, keep on dreaming. Swedes is seriously the stupidest people I have met. People may think Norwegians and Swedes is alike, but trust me, that's not true. No wonder there is more swedish teenagers in Norway than actual Norwegians. You guys don't even have jobs for your own teenagers.

Swedes go to work in Norway during the summer because they pay is much higher there lol? I'm doing it myself, i earn about 25% than what i would here in Sweden for the same job. Then again, wouldn't expect you to know anything about that, since you just judge people based off nothing.

Just stating the entire population of Sweden is stupid is ridiculous. Thats like me saying that all we use you Turks for here in Sweden is to make kebab and buy cheap alcohol for teenagers, its all you're qualified for.

Any other reason to visit Sweden?    

[Vincenzo]

Read this thoroughly GoldenEagle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

It is audited by people all over the world, made by 220 sources all linked in the article bottom and more than 40 extra scientific studies and books and articles also on top of that are linked for further reading.

Let us never even think about such bullshit as "it diden't happen, No proof." that is just outrageous.

But it's history, it happened almost 100 years ago, nobody alive right now had anything to do with it, aknowledge the past and move on.

Now lets get back to the topic, Cyprus, Invasion of another country is always wrong.
ALWAYS
ALLLWAAYS.

If some human rights are violated, like ethnic cleansing... Normal procedure is that the UN gets together, looks at proof of these happenings and decides to send a peace keeping mission to the region.


Under no international law its allowed to invade a country, and seperate a part of it because in your opinion human rights of your ethnic group were about to get violated.
Its bullshit and should not be allowed under international law, Turkey should not, Russia should not, Nobody should.

[Nipplestockings]

Any other reason to visit Sweden?   

My god, stop it. Evidently you've had some horrible traumatizing experience with Swedes during your life in Norway and that's well and good, but your display of disdain for them doesn't really add to this discussion at all, and your points aren't any more valid because of it. Or possibly you're just acting like this because many of the people arguing with you here are Swedish, and for lack of a better argument you find it easiest to target their nationalities to somehow prove something about your superiority and justification for thinking what you do.

Either way you're acting like a twat, so cut it out.