Turkey's invasion of Northern Cyprus

[GoldenEagle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cyprus#History

So I know that many people look at Northern Cyprus invasion by Turkey was illegal and whatever, but if you read this artcile (or any other really) it seems that Turkey invaded Cyprus to protect the Turkish population. I know it's a long read, but take the time and read all of the *History* part.

What do you think, should Cyprus invasion by Turkey be justified by the west or should Turkey be shamed until the end of times?

[Archduke Sven]

Turkey is already shamed forever until they admit and recognise the genocide of Armenians.

[MrTiki]

Lets throw this in the "Historical Discussion"section before we get a full blown rage fest.
(Apparently they can handle it there)

[Duuring]

The invasion wasn't entirely unjustified, but creating the Republic of North-Cyprus was a rash and maybe unneccessary decisions.

Also, yeah, Armenian Genocide.

[Furrnox]

Well I find it funny that the Greeks are currently the ones against a unification.

[Duuring]

Greece and Turkey have a 'special' relationship.

[GoldenEagle]

Greece and Turkey have a 'special' relationship.

We love eachother so much we could kill eachother for it 

Also, yeah, Armenian Genocide.

Last time I told my opinions about that, we know what happened, so I won't even go there. Im glad at least USA supports Turkey in this case though. We shouldn't go off topic.

Well I find it funny that the Greeks are currently the ones against a unification.

+1

The invasion wasn't entirely unjustified, but creating the Republic of North-Cyprus was a rash and maybe unneccessary decisions

I can see your point here, but it was an important step to secure the Turkish population. As you may have read, Greeks were really ready to go at it against Turks, and if Turkey had just left the Turks to be, I think we could have witnessed a genocide. It might have been that the Northern Cyprus was set up temp. but stuff got out of hand so it stayed.

[Turin Turambar]

Turkey is already shamed forever until they admit and recognise the genocide of Armenians.

Also, yeah, Armenian Genocide.

Wow. That's a glorious way of argumentation because it has really much to do with Cyprus.

[Archduke Sven]

Turkey is already shamed forever until they admit and recognise the genocide of Armenians.

Also, yeah, Armenian Genocide.

Wow. That's a glorious way of argumentation because it has really much to do with Cyprus.

He asked if Turkey should be shamed forever, and that was my reply.

[Turin Turambar]

Turkey is already shamed forever until they admit and recognise the genocide of Armenians.

Also, yeah, Armenian Genocide.

Wow. That's a glorious way of argumentation because it has really much to do with Cyprus.

He asked if Turkey should be shamed forever, and that was my reply.

He asked if Turkey should be shamed forever in regard to the invasion of Northern Cyprus.

[Archduke Sven]

But its already shamed forever, which makes it irrelevant?

[Duuring]

It's a diplomatic strategy. You refuse all support until they give something you want. In this case, stop pretending that the Armenian Genocide and other ethic cleanings never happened or were just 'a few unorganised killings'. It's a strategy I support, by the way.

Last time I told my opinions about that, we know what happened, so I won't even go there. Im glad at least USA supports Turkey in this case though. We shouldn't go off topic.

You see, my man, that's the problem. You can hold the opinion 'it never happened', but that doesn't make it true - It's history, and opinion carries no weight. It just makes you look really nationalistic and rather stupid.

[ClearlyInvsible]

But its already shamed forever, which makes it irrelevant?

Guessing that the Germans and Japanese are damned in history also. And the Serbs, the Americans, the Aussies, the Indians, the Indonesians, the Dominicans...

[GoldenEagle]

It's a diplomatic strategy. You refuse all support until they give something you want. In this case, stop pretending that the Armenian Genocide and other ethic cleanings never happened or were just 'a few unorganised killings'. It's a strategy I support, by the way.

Last time I told my opinions about that, we know what happened, so I won't even go there. Im glad at least USA supports Turkey in this case though. We shouldn't go off topic.

You see, my man, that's the problem. You can hold the opinion 'it never happened', but that doesn't make it true - It's history, and opinion carries no weight. It just makes you look really nationalistic and rather stupid.

Sure, because I have different opinion I must be stupid. I see you are fond of drawing the ''your opinions are stupid'' card duuring. I won't support something without evidence. If armenians want to end the case, they could open up their archives like turkey for inspection, but no they still want to keep getting their donations for the victims of armenian genocide or whatever. And really which country doesn't have any sort of genocide in their history?

[Gizmo]

Sure, because I have different opinion I must be stupid. I see you are fond of drawing the ''your opinions are stupid'' card duuring. I won't support something without evidence. If armenians want to end the case, they could open up their archives like turkey for inspection, but no they still want to keep getting their donations for the victims of armenian genocide or whatever. And really which country doesn't have any sort of genocide in their history?

He didn't say you were stupid because you had a different opinion. He said you were stupid because you deny something that everybody knows happened, that's like denying 9/11. You want evidence? There's tons and tons of evidence proving the genocide and I seriously don't see the point of denying it, it honestly gives a bad image of Turkey. Oh genocide isn't something that all countries have achieved throughout history...