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Re: Anyone else feel WWI doesn't receive the attention it deserves?
« Reply #75 on: July 29, 2013, 07:17:16 pm »
Also we learn about the Roman culture, but not even that we helt them at the rhine!
Rome wasn't really interested what was north of the Rhine mouth. Marsh, swamps & some dwelling hills. The only ressource Rome was taking there was cattle. But the dutch culture is based mostly on roman culture, not on a frisian tribe or something. Your oldest city was foundet by romans. Even your most important german tribe, the Batavi got romanized until the 3rd century. Don't deny your own culture!

How can a tribe be romanized 'until' a certain era?

That being said, it's undeniable the Romans left a huge-ass mark on Dutch culture - Just like it did on basicy every country that was under (partial) occupation.

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Re: Anyone else feel WWI doesn't receive the attention it deserves?
« Reply #76 on: July 29, 2013, 07:28:02 pm »
Also we learn about the Roman culture, but not even that we helt them at the rhine!
Rome wasn't really interested what was north of the Rhine mouth. Marsh, swamps & some dwelling hills. The only ressource Rome was taking there was cattle. But the dutch culture is based mostly on roman culture, not on a frisian tribe or something. Your oldest city was foundet by romans. Even your most important german tribe, the Batavi got romanized until the 3rd century. Don't deny your own culture!

How can a tribe be romanized 'until' a certain era?
Until all groups of the tribe left their byre-dwelling-settlements and start living in villae rusticae, vici, municipia or coloniae or other roman settlements and "start" living, working and writing like romans did.

How do we know? Rarely through historic sources, more through archeology.
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« Reply #77 on: July 29, 2013, 08:57:16 pm »
Vici is a verb.

I know how Romanisation works; but it doesn't suddenly end when the Roman army pulled back. Things changed for the worse, yet, but the effect would stay.

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« Reply #78 on: July 29, 2013, 09:22:12 pm »
Vicus (plur. Vici) is also a noun. It is a settlement form in the roman empire.

Didn't say it ends. It was just "completed" in this time. The germans gived up their old live form and most traditions. But some of those could last as a romano-celto-germanic cult as the Matrones (Nehalennia as example).
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« Reply #79 on: July 29, 2013, 09:53:56 pm »
They didn't give up their old life styles. That would imply they suddenly stopped being Germans and became Latin-speaking Romans, which they didn't. The romans had an effect on them, yes, but the Batavi never became Romans.

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« Reply #80 on: July 29, 2013, 10:15:53 pm »
There are no germanic/celtic settlements in Germania Inferior between 0 and 500 AD ! All oppida between Cologne and the coast end in the time under Augustus Caesar. There is no germanic pottery used in this time. No germanic funerals. No germanic weapons. It's all roman! Even the cults with ancient germanic/celtic worshipped Genii (which all started just with the 2nd cenury, more than 100 years after roman occupation) got sacrificed with roman fruits/stuff/pottery!

What you mean is the germanisation through the francs beginning with the 5th century AD.
But the former germanic/celtic culture was absorbed in the roman provinces.
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« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2013, 10:31:32 am »
There's a difference between a country that's occupied and a borderregion. The Batavians were never properly in the Roman empire.

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« Reply #82 on: July 30, 2013, 10:57:50 am »
They fully settled over to the Roman Empire because they were allies (and in a vendetta with other tribes north of the Rhine). Their capital became the Civitas Batavorum, today Nijmegen. It was common practice of Rome to settle allied tribes behind the own border.
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« Reply #83 on: July 30, 2013, 05:13:10 pm »
Intresting considering Nijmegen is outside the bataven-Islands.

Anyway, we've gone waaaaaay off-topic.

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Re: Anyone else feel WWI doesn't receive the attention it deserves?
« Reply #84 on: July 30, 2013, 05:33:27 pm »
Did we? Didn't notice! :o



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« Reply #85 on: July 30, 2013, 06:18:45 pm »
We did, even though no-one told us to shut up  :o

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« Reply #86 on: July 30, 2013, 06:51:08 pm »
We did, even though no-one told us to shut up  :o

Shut up!
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« Reply #87 on: July 30, 2013, 06:53:00 pm »
We did, even though no-one told us to shut up  :o

Shut up!

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Re: Anyone else feel WWI doesn't receive the attention it deserves?
« Reply #89 on: August 04, 2013, 12:56:09 pm »
The problem with WW1 games is that companies not wanting to make a WW1 based game is not because they barely know anything about it, it's mainly because It's very hard to make a profit from it. It's not really entertaining for some people to play a game where you sit in a trench for months waiting for the enemy to attack, while the enemy does the same thing, called a stalemate.