Fietta has made the worst poll ever

[Fietta]

Believing banning WSE stops FOV cheats is deluded, people who want to actually cheat still will, trying to take a moral high ground when people have been using it for over a year and nobody said anything is actually so ratty, get over it

Personally, I don't think many if any people will go the extra step to start digging into files or installing other third-party software to solely get FOV, but if it's readily available on a 'legal' client, then obviously people are going to use it, which is the problem.

yeah but you gotta admit, its easier to cheat with WSE2 fov than it is without it

^^ basically this

[Alf]

yeah but you gotta admit, its easier to cheat with WSE2 fov than it is without it

I don’t believe FOV is cheating personally, although I think that’s subjective.

But still, if someone actively wants to cheat they’ll go get auto and proxi arrows and whatever else they want anyway and nobody would know unless you happen to catch them by luck, whether WSE is banned or not doesn’t change their ability to get things which are way way more effective

[Fietta]

If you don't think changing FOV outside the scope of the original game isn't cheating then you're very silly. People aren't even denying that FOV isn't cheating, people just have different opinions on how 'big' of a cheat it is.

[BlitzkriegMBNW]

I mean I'm only gonna make one comment. People like coco and fralla who have never changed their FOV prior to WSE2 immediately changed it just because they can. Most people will also act this way because when something is easy, people usually do it.

[Alf]

If you don't think changing FOV outside the scope of the original game isn't cheating then you're very silly. People aren't even denying that FOV isn't cheating, people just have different opinions on how 'big' of a cheat it is.

That’s your opinion, I have mine, again with the need to put personal attacks in everything you write, do me a favour and just stop referring to me thanks

[Fietta]

If you don't think changing FOV outside the scope of the original game isn't cheating then you're very silly. People aren't even denying that FOV isn't cheating, people just have different opinions on how 'big' of a cheat it is.

That’s your opinion, I have mine, again with the need to put personal attacks in everything you write, do me a favour and just stop referring to me thanks

It's not an opinion, it's fact, FOV is cheating by definition as it goes beyond normal gameplay. If people want this cheating to performance trade-off, however, is a different story and the story people are currently discussing.

[Hertz]

yeah but you gotta admit, its easier to cheat with WSE2 fov than it is without it

This I disagree with. You can change FOV by searching rgl.config in your mount and blade folder located in your documents. Ctrl+F to find FieldOfView. Then change it. It’s so much easier and faster than downloading native launcher, WSE2 files and NW mod.

[BlitzkriegMBNW]

yeah but you gotta admit, its easier to cheat with WSE2 fov than it is without it

This I disagree with. You can change FOV by searching rgl.config in your mount and blade folder located in your documents. Ctrl+F to find FieldOfView. Then change it. It’s so much easier and faster than downloading native launcher, WSE2 files and NW mod.

nice tell everyone how to fov cheat, but again see my most recent post.

[Fietta]

yeah but you gotta admit, its easier to cheat with WSE2 fov than it is without it

This I disagree with. You can change FOV by searching rgl.config in your mount and blade folder located in your documents. Ctrl+F to find FieldOfView. Then change it. It’s so much easier and faster than downloading native launcher, WSE2 files and NW mod.

For clarification, I just tried this, field of view isn't an option in rgl.config on both the steam and non-steam version, only in WSE2's version.

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first_time = 0

texture_detail = 100

render_buffer_size = 15

max_framerate = 240

start_windowed = 0

use_pixel_shaders = 1

use_vertex_shaders = 1

fake_reflections = 0

show_framerate = 1

use_ondemand_textures_ = 1

use_ondemand_textures_mt = 1

disable_music = 1

disable_sound = 0

disable_frequency_variation = 0

cheat_mode = 0

enable_blood = 1

enable_edit_mode = 0

force_single_threading = 0

debug_mode = 0

display_width = 2560

display_height = 1440

display_bits = 32

antialiasing = 0

sample_quality = 0

alpha2coverage = 0

force_vsync = 0

shadowmap_quality = 0

shader_quality = 1

postfx_dof = 1

postfx_hdr = 0

postfx_autoexp = 1

flora_degrade_distance = 150.0000

flora_lod_detail = 2

use_instancing = 1

use_secure_connection = 0

max_number_of_connections = 16

look_for_server_on_this_machine = 0

music_volume = 0.0000

sound_volume = 0.1515

mouse_sensitivity = 0.2548

invert_mouse = 0

enable_lighting = 1

enable_particles = 0

enable_blood = 1

enable_character_shadows = 0

enable_accurate_shadows = 1

number_of_corpses = 0

grass_density = 0

combat_speed = 4

friend_combat_difficulty = 0

adapter_format = 0

reduce_combat_ai = 2

reduce_campaign_ai = 1

combat_difficulty = 0

display_labels = 1

display_targeting_reticule = 1

display_attack_direction = 0

turn_camera_with_horse_in_first_person = 2

verbose_damage = 1

verbose_shot_difficulty = 1

battle_size = 0.3422

attack_direction_control = 1

defend_direction_control = 0

lance_control = 0

anisotropic_filtering = 0

enable_environment_shadows = 0

verbose_casualties = 1

verbose_experience = 1

realistic_shadows_on_plants = 0

number_of_ragdolls = 0

gamma = 2.2000

character_detail = 0.8085

character_shadow_detail = 0.0193

control_mouse_movement_y_scale = 1.5000

blood_stains = 2

use_winmm_audio = 0

enable_version_check = 1

enable_aspect_ratio_control = 1

realistic_headshots = 0

auto_gfx_quality = 0

enable_gamepad_vibration = 1

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[Hertz]

yeah but you gotta admit, its easier to cheat with WSE2 fov than it is without it

This I disagree with. You can change FOV by searching rgl.config in your mount and blade folder located in your documents. Ctrl+F to find FieldOfView. Then change it. It’s so much easier and faster than downloading native launcher, WSE2 files and NW mod.

For clarification, I just tried this, field of view isn't an option in rgl.config on both the steam and non-steam version, only in WSE2's version.

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first_time = 0

texture_detail = 100

render_buffer_size = 15

max_framerate = 240

start_windowed = 0

use_pixel_shaders = 1

use_vertex_shaders = 1

fake_reflections = 0

show_framerate = 1

use_ondemand_textures_ = 1

use_ondemand_textures_mt = 1

disable_music = 1

disable_sound = 0

disable_frequency_variation = 0

cheat_mode = 0

enable_blood = 1

enable_edit_mode = 0

force_single_threading = 0

debug_mode = 0

display_width = 2560

display_height = 1440

display_bits = 32

antialiasing = 0

sample_quality = 0

alpha2coverage = 0

force_vsync = 0

shadowmap_quality = 0

shader_quality = 1

postfx_dof = 1

postfx_hdr = 0

postfx_autoexp = 1

flora_degrade_distance = 150.0000

flora_lod_detail = 2

use_instancing = 1

use_secure_connection = 0

max_number_of_connections = 16

look_for_server_on_this_machine = 0

music_volume = 0.0000

sound_volume = 0.1515

mouse_sensitivity = 0.2548

invert_mouse = 0

enable_lighting = 1

enable_particles = 0

enable_blood = 1

enable_character_shadows = 0

enable_accurate_shadows = 1

number_of_corpses = 0

grass_density = 0

combat_speed = 4

friend_combat_difficulty = 0

adapter_format = 0

reduce_combat_ai = 2

reduce_campaign_ai = 1

combat_difficulty = 0

display_labels = 1

display_targeting_reticule = 1

display_attack_direction = 0

turn_camera_with_horse_in_first_person = 2

verbose_damage = 1

verbose_shot_difficulty = 1

battle_size = 0.3422

attack_direction_control = 1

defend_direction_control = 0

lance_control = 0

anisotropic_filtering = 0

enable_environment_shadows = 0

verbose_casualties = 1

verbose_experience = 1

realistic_shadows_on_plants = 0

number_of_ragdolls = 0

gamma = 2.2000

character_detail = 0.8085

character_shadow_detail = 0.0193

control_mouse_movement_y_scale = 1.5000

blood_stains = 2

use_winmm_audio = 0

enable_version_check = 1

enable_aspect_ratio_control = 1

realistic_headshots = 0

auto_gfx_quality = 0

enable_gamepad_vibration = 1

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Yeah fair enough, I got confused between WSE2 and Native. Too many Mount and blade folders    My bad then. I waffle too sometimes

[Fietta]

Also, the poll closing date is this Sunday, 3 days rather than a whole week.

[Alf]

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Due to alot of controversy, we need to discuss the pros and cons of WSE2, start discussing! The resulting discussion will affect the outcome of its introduction or banning.

I'll make it simple

Pros:
More stable smoother game (though after now trying it, not a big deal)

Cons:
FoV Slider (able to see a foot behind you, obviously advantageous and no one can deny that)
Banner Viewing (not entirely relevant but allows for line-ups)
Potential hidden 'heal' commands which don't get added to logs (unknown, but Flashkodr mentioned that you are able to send the server commands to heal players etc discreetly)

Somewhere in between:
Improved hitbox registry (does something where you're less likely to TK due to some ragdoll stuff)

Solution:
WSE2 was recently updated and a server-side FoV lock is in place, this will mitigate the most major issue with WSE2, if that doesn't work then just ban it.

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The game is massively improved with WSE2. The game breaking teleportation glitch is removed with the client (where you teleport with frame caps above 150) which is essential for people with higher hz monitors, as otherwise they would be forced to play with their non-native hz rate, which is a massive quality downgrade and can introduce input lag. Chuck vid Example with Chuckster but this applies to any fps over 150.

Apart from that, the huge fps boost from WSE2 helps people with mid-low tier PCs to achieve that minimum 144 fps, which is useful for any competitive event. Obviously a collection of anecdotes, but getting sent so many messages on steam on how the client has helped people with their game lag, it seems it will only help the competitive scene for this game and try to keep it more fun.

WSE2's FOV slider is obviously the biggest upset that comes with the client. However, I still believe the advantages of the FOV slider are being overexaggerated. Personally, I play on default fov and hear from a lot of top players on how the FOV slider has minimal impact, except in rotations(still minor as you get the same effect from angling yourself properly).

Bannerviewing? If anything, this would seriously inhibit your ability to play as you would be seeing the enemy's banners during any sort of melee (open melee, close rotation switches). Potential hidden heal commands? This seems like bullshit and would need a followup.

Improved hitbox registry is also a miss as people have plenty of teamkills with the client or miss stabs while people are stunned or any other base game breaking glitches. Sideblock glitches and no animation stabs still exist within the client as well.

Regarding the FOV Slider, I have also found some quite interesting information.

Remembering back to watching a 3kliksphilip video 3KLIKS . Warband's FOV system is identical in that the FOV is calculated through the value of the base FOV along with the aspect ratio of the resolution you play with.

https://youtu.be/frsp7VIKTuY?t=97 You can see how playing at a resolution of 1920x540 grants you a massive field of view advantage. Playing on a resolution of 1920x800 is equivalent to playing on 1920x1080 with the fov slider set to 90

This is also on the default steam game.

1920x1080 with Default FOV

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1920x800 with Default FOV

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1920x1080 with 90 FOV

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The FOVs were customised using them from a texture pack, which was the most common way people had an FOV slider. It was literally in a 92nd texture pack.

As you can all see, the use of a simple resolution change(done with either CRU or through your graphics panel settings) grants you a greater advantage, as it only eliminates your vertical vision (which has almost no utility in NW anyway) and doesn't introduce a weird distortion on your screen.

In the end, the solution is already here with Gibby's 50 euro modification to WSE2. However, if it doesn't function correctly, then it seems the only valid options would be to straight up allow it or introduce a poll for the players to decide.

[Fietta]

You're terrible at arguing Alf, HiReaper made the point that 1920x800 is the same as 1920x1080 at 90fov, which evidently in those screenshots, it's absolutely not

[John Price]

Wait, using WSE2 means I could actually use my 240hz??? Downloading it right now.

[Fietta]

Wait, using WSE2 means I could actually use my 240hz??? Downloading it right now.

I was quite confused by that, I've got 144hz and play 240fps and have never had any teleportation lag, Chucksters video (as shown there) was a video of when he was in Amaterasu, was he using WSE2 during this time? If people are complaining that Amaterasu have been using it, then wouldn't he be using it here?