How to become a tier 1 NW PLAYER!! wow!

[Arch4ngel]

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how about everyone with under 20 ping also has to start downloading steam games with full bandwidth to make tournaments fair

Yes, it's actually my fault that their infrastructure is shit and ours is better. Now I'll download games during gameplay to match them. Even so, the shader changes benefits people with less ping too, so both the shit players and the good players gain benefits, so the gap doesn't change much. People clearly aren't upset with the base game, otherwise these same players wouldn't be playing it if it's too bad, there's plenty of 40+ ping players who've played at top level.

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For CIS players the performance benefit is more meaningful because they play with worse ping. In what way are you inferring the "CIS players" you're referring to are cheating?

When you know you know, but again the trade-off is weak for as Archangel said 'a bit better' performance

Unless you suspect all of RT and Renegades, and Amaterasu before them, were cheating by using WSE2 I don't see why you'd levy particular suspicion at people using it now that it's more publicised.

WSE2 as a client isn't cheating, I'm talking about the use of FOV which is clearly cheating but is at this point in time, impossible to police, so just ban the client then bobs your uncle, we all play how the game is originally intended, sounds like a big W to me. The trade-off is too weak to warrant using it.

People have been playing at top level without WSE2 for years, if you're too incapable of performing without it, then you're shit, especially so much so that you want to allow cheating for a bit of a performance boost. It's funny at this point.

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i want to play with WSE because the game feels like it should be. im playin with 2080ti in M&B with 50-60ping and FPS 200 and my 144hz monitor, but game feels like 60 fps with Vsync, i saw many videos from tournaments with 60fps lock from youtube and I want to say that even there the game looks faster than mine.

with WSE game feels like on videos and thats all.

You should fix your PC then, I have a worse PC and it's playing fine, people who're having stuttering is on their end, fix that first and you'll probably find it's fine.

WSE fixed my M&B instead of turks from talewords

WSE put a band-aid on your PC, if clearly you're not getting decent gameplay without the changed shaders, then you have a driver issue. If you're too lazy to figure out why it's running bad and want to install WSE2 to fix it for the cheat trade-off, then you're stupid. People who're having issues with the game isn't actually the game itself in most cases (as it runs fine for me), it means it's an issue with what you're using to run the game

set-up 1000fps ill watch how your trash PC gonna carry this without any teleports

Then don't have 1000fps

if u really that smart can u give me instruction how to fix my teleports and slow stabs/block on 200-300 fps and 144hz monitor? i played many years ago and game wasnt that slow with 70hz monitor from Uganda.

UPD: WSE2 with 60fps lock faster than my M&B

[Fietta]

It's just funny, Fralla's video (which is obviously a meme video) shows around 85-90FOV, being able to see an extra foot behind him with little warping and people still want this because people get a bit smoother gameplay.

It's a no brainer to me.

if u really that smart can u give me instruction how to fix my teleports and slow stabs/block on 200-300 fps and 144hz monitor? i played many years ago and game wasnt that slow with 70hz monitor from Uganda.

I mean, you should probably do necessary cleaning and updating drivers etc, I'm sure there's many youtube videos showing how to improve PC performance0 and fix issues like these. Same for anyone else really.

Besides, it's most likely going to be banned, so best fix your issues now rather than bank on it not being banned.

[Arch4ngel]

It's just funny, Fralla's video (which is obviously a meme video) shows around 85-90FOV, being able to see an extra foot behind him with little warping and people still want this because people get a bit smoother gameplay.

It's a no brainer to me.

if u really that smart can u give me instruction how to fix my teleports and slow stabs/block on 200-300 fps and 144hz monitor? i played many years ago and game wasnt that slow with 70hz monitor from Uganda.

I mean, you should probably do necessary cleaning and updating drivers etc, I'm sure there's many youtube videos showing how to improve PC performance0 and fix issues like these. Same for anyone else really.

you saw my screenshots with my main resolution? my screen allows me see the same(ofc if ill use my resolution)  so there is a legal FOV cheat  for people who can by monitor for 1000$, like 240-320hz monitors(which one for sure dont work fine with M&B)

[Fietta]

It's just funny, Fralla's video (which is obviously a meme video) shows around 85-90FOV, being able to see an extra foot behind him with little warping and people still want this because people get a bit smoother gameplay.

It's a no brainer to me.

if u really that smart can u give me instruction how to fix my teleports and slow stabs/block on 200-300 fps and 144hz monitor? i played many years ago and game wasnt that slow with 70hz monitor from Uganda.

I mean, you should probably do necessary cleaning and updating drivers etc, I'm sure there's many youtube videos showing how to improve PC performance0 and fix issues like these. Same for anyone else really.

you saw my screenshots with my main resolution? my screen allows me see the same(ofc if ill use my resolution)  so there is a legal FOV cheat is for people who can by monitor for 1000$, like 240-320hz monitors(which one for sure dont work fine with M&B)

Nah you're able to see behind your character, not just more to the left and right and screenshots can also be quite deceiving

[Arch4ngel]

It's just funny, Fralla's video (which is obviously a meme video) shows around 85-90FOV, being able to see an extra foot behind him with little warping and people still want this because people get a bit smoother gameplay.

It's a no brainer to me.

if u really that smart can u give me instruction how to fix my teleports and slow stabs/block on 200-300 fps and 144hz monitor? i played many years ago and game wasnt that slow with 70hz monitor from Uganda.

I mean, you should probably do necessary cleaning and updating drivers etc, I'm sure there's many youtube videos showing how to improve PC performance0 and fix issues like these. Same for anyone else really.

you saw my screenshots with my main resolution? my screen allows me see the same(ofc if ill use my resolution)  so there is a legal FOV cheat is for people who can by monitor for 1000$, like 240-320hz monitors(which one for sure dont work fine with M&B)

Nah you're able to see behind your character, not just more to the left and right

seein more on left and right - so i can see how people coming to backstab me 

[Fietta]

It's just funny, Fralla's video (which is obviously a meme video) shows around 85-90FOV, being able to see an extra foot behind him with little warping and people still want this because people get a bit smoother gameplay.

It's a no brainer to me.

if u really that smart can u give me instruction how to fix my teleports and slow stabs/block on 200-300 fps and 144hz monitor? i played many years ago and game wasnt that slow with 70hz monitor from Uganda.

I mean, you should probably do necessary cleaning and updating drivers etc, I'm sure there's many youtube videos showing how to improve PC performance0 and fix issues like these. Same for anyone else really.

you saw my screenshots with my main resolution? my screen allows me see the same(ofc if ill use my resolution)  so there is a legal FOV cheat is for people who can by monitor for 1000$, like 240-320hz monitors(which one for sure dont work fine with M&B)

Nah you're able to see behind your character, not just more to the left and right

seein more on left and right - so i can see how people coming to backstab me 

Lucky you then, doesn't mean there should be some additional FOV copium which allows to see directly behind ur character, which is outside the scope of larger monitors, larger monitors also have the drawback of actually having to move your head to see to that side, so even though you see more, you also have to look more, and it still doesn't let you see behind you.

[Gibby Jr]

Spoiler

how about everyone with under 20 ping also has to start downloading steam games with full bandwidth to make tournaments fair

Yes, it's actually my fault that their infrastructure is shit and ours is better. Now I'll download games during gameplay to match them. Even so, the shader changes benefits people with less ping too, so both the shit players and the good players gain benefits, so the gap doesn't change much. People clearly aren't upset with the base game, otherwise these same players wouldn't be playing it if it's too bad, there's plenty of 40+ ping players who've played at top level.

?
For CIS players the performance benefit is more meaningful because they play with worse ping. In what way are you inferring the "CIS players" you're referring to are cheating?

When you know you know, but again the trade-off is weak for as Archangel said 'a bit better' performance

Unless you suspect all of RT and Renegades, and Amaterasu before them, were cheating by using WSE2 I don't see why you'd levy particular suspicion at people using it now that it's more publicised.

WSE2 as a client isn't cheating, I'm talking about the use of FOV which is clearly cheating but is at this point in time, impossible to police, so just ban the client then bobs your uncle, we all play how the game is originally intended, sounds like a big W to me. The trade-off is too weak to warrant using it.

People have been playing at top level without WSE2 for years, if you're too incapable of performing without it, then you're shit, especially so much so that you want to allow cheating for a bit of a performance boost. It's funny at this point.

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i want to play with WSE because the game feels like it should be. im playin with 2080ti in M&B with 50-60ping and FPS 200 and my 144hz monitor, but game feels like 60 fps with Vsync, i saw many videos from tournaments with 60fps lock from youtube and I want to say that even there the game looks faster than mine.

with WSE game feels like on videos and thats all.

You should fix your PC then, I have a worse PC and it's playing fine, people who're having stuttering is on their end, fix that first and you'll probably find it's fine.

WSE fixed my M&B instead of turks from talewords

WSE put a band-aid on your PC, if clearly you're not getting decent gameplay without the changed shaders, then you have a driver issue. If you're too lazy to figure out why it's running bad and want to install WSE2 to fix it for the cheat trade-off, then you're stupid. People who're having issues with the game isn't actually the game itself in most cases (as it runs fine for me), it means it's an issue with what you're using to run the game

set-up 1000fps ill watch how your trash PC gonna carry this without any teleports

Then don't have 1000fps, WSE2 doesn't fix the teleporting from really high FPS, it just changes shaders for performance benefit

it does fix it

[Fietta]

Spoiler

how about everyone with under 20 ping also has to start downloading steam games with full bandwidth to make tournaments fair

Yes, it's actually my fault that their infrastructure is shit and ours is better. Now I'll download games during gameplay to match them. Even so, the shader changes benefits people with less ping too, so both the shit players and the good players gain benefits, so the gap doesn't change much. People clearly aren't upset with the base game, otherwise these same players wouldn't be playing it if it's too bad, there's plenty of 40+ ping players who've played at top level.

?
For CIS players the performance benefit is more meaningful because they play with worse ping. In what way are you inferring the "CIS players" you're referring to are cheating?

When you know you know, but again the trade-off is weak for as Archangel said 'a bit better' performance

Unless you suspect all of RT and Renegades, and Amaterasu before them, were cheating by using WSE2 I don't see why you'd levy particular suspicion at people using it now that it's more publicised.

WSE2 as a client isn't cheating, I'm talking about the use of FOV which is clearly cheating but is at this point in time, impossible to police, so just ban the client then bobs your uncle, we all play how the game is originally intended, sounds like a big W to me. The trade-off is too weak to warrant using it.

People have been playing at top level without WSE2 for years, if you're too incapable of performing without it, then you're shit, especially so much so that you want to allow cheating for a bit of a performance boost. It's funny at this point.

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i want to play with WSE because the game feels like it should be. im playin with 2080ti in M&B with 50-60ping and FPS 200 and my 144hz monitor, but game feels like 60 fps with Vsync, i saw many videos from tournaments with 60fps lock from youtube and I want to say that even there the game looks faster than mine.

with WSE game feels like on videos and thats all.

You should fix your PC then, I have a worse PC and it's playing fine, people who're having stuttering is on their end, fix that first and you'll probably find it's fine.

WSE fixed my M&B instead of turks from talewords

WSE put a band-aid on your PC, if clearly you're not getting decent gameplay without the changed shaders, then you have a driver issue. If you're too lazy to figure out why it's running bad and want to install WSE2 to fix it for the cheat trade-off, then you're stupid. People who're having issues with the game isn't actually the game itself in most cases (as it runs fine for me), it means it's an issue with what you're using to run the game

set-up 1000fps ill watch how your trash PC gonna carry this without any teleports

Then don't have 1000fps, WSE2 doesn't fix the teleporting from really high FPS, it just changes shaders for performance benefit

it does fix it

1000fps gameplay nice, can already smell the screen tearing from here

[Arch4ngel]

Spoiler

It's just funny, Fralla's video (which is obviously a meme video) shows around 85-90FOV, being able to see an extra foot behind him with little warping and people still want this because people get a bit smoother gameplay.

It's a no brainer to me.

if u really that smart can u give me instruction how to fix my teleports and slow stabs/block on 200-300 fps and 144hz monitor? i played many years ago and game wasnt that slow with 70hz monitor from Uganda.

I mean, you should probably do necessary cleaning and updating drivers etc, I'm sure there's many youtube videos showing how to improve PC performance0 and fix issues like these. Same for anyone else really.

you saw my screenshots with my main resolution? my screen allows me see the same(ofc if ill use my resolution)  so there is a legal FOV cheat is for people who can by monitor for 1000$, like 240-320hz monitors(which one for sure dont work fine with M&B)

Nah you're able to see behind your character, not just more to the left and right

seein more on left and right - so i can see how people coming to backstab me 

Lucky you then, doesn't mean there should be some additional FOV copium which allows to see directly behind ur character, which is outside the scope of larger monitors, larger monitors also have the drawback of actually having to move your head to see to that side, so even though you see more, you also have to look more, and it still doesn't let you see behind you.

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reasonable fact

[Fietta]

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It's just funny, Fralla's video (which is obviously a meme video) shows around 85-90FOV, being able to see an extra foot behind him with little warping and people still want this because people get a bit smoother gameplay.

It's a no brainer to me.

if u really that smart can u give me instruction how to fix my teleports and slow stabs/block on 200-300 fps and 144hz monitor? i played many years ago and game wasnt that slow with 70hz monitor from Uganda.

I mean, you should probably do necessary cleaning and updating drivers etc, I'm sure there's many youtube videos showing how to improve PC performance0 and fix issues like these. Same for anyone else really.

you saw my screenshots with my main resolution? my screen allows me see the same(ofc if ill use my resolution)  so there is a legal FOV cheat is for people who can by monitor for 1000$, like 240-320hz monitors(which one for sure dont work fine with M&B)

Nah you're able to see behind your character, not just more to the left and right

seein more on left and right - so i can see how people coming to backstab me 

Lucky you then, doesn't mean there should be some additional FOV copium which allows to see directly behind ur character, which is outside the scope of larger monitors, larger monitors also have the drawback of actually having to move your head to see to that side, so even though you see more, you also have to look more, and it still doesn't let you see behind you.

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reasonable fact

It's a reason why CSGO players play 800x600, no one wants to hurt their neck

[Skaen]

I have seen people play with 100 ping and above on the Groupfighting server and in events when WSE2 wasn't a thing or not very popular yet that people didn't really know about it. If they can perform well and be a challenge for other players, I don't see the need to keep complaining about wanting to use WSE2.

Spoiler

RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS LIKE TO CHEAT AND HACK. ADMIT IT! 

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[Gibby Jr]

I have seen people play with 100 ping and above on the Groupfighting server and in events when WSE2 wasn't a thing or not very popular yet that people didn't really know about it. If they can perform well and be a challenge for other players, I don't see the need to keep complaining about wanting to use WSE2.

Spoiler

RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS LIKE TO CHEAT AND HACK. ADMIT IT! 

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The discussion is not about, and has never been about, whether it's possible to play at a good level without WSE2.

@Fietta if there was a version of the client without an FOV slider, and the server side tools existed to determine which WSE2 version each player is using as a method of enforcement, would you have any issue with WSE2 being used?

[Fietta]

I have seen people play with 100 ping and above on the Groupfighting server and in events when WSE2 wasn't a thing or not very popular yet that people didn't really know about it. If they can perform well and be a challenge for other players, I don't see the need to keep complaining about wanting to use WSE2.

Spoiler

RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS LIKE TO CHEAT AND HACK. ADMIT IT! 

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The discussion is not about, and has never been about, whether it's possible to play at a good level without WSE2.

@Fietta if there was a version of the client without an FOV slider, and the server side tools existed to determine which WSE2 version each player is using as a method of enforcement, would you have any issue with WSE2 being used?

no

[Arch4ngel]

i found out in WSE server configuration that you can select FOV for 3rd and 1st persons for your server

also ill try to conctact people who can manually check it with me

[Fietta]

i found out in WSE server configuration that you can select FOV for 3rd and 1st persons for your server

Doesn't work with older versions though, it bypasses it and the changing of client FOV is up in the air at the moment as we're not ENTIRELY sure how it works or if it does work.