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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #690 on: October 12, 2021, 04:51:29 pm »
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I remember when 15th YR were supportive; times change once they've dropped off the top and the team they once supported now is competition. You could argue about our roster size all you want, but that isn't warranted considering that 'point' isn't actually a point, especially when it came to talking about how only 'X' members turn up and that it's a "fib", that almost certainly is a personal issue rather than one that proves any form of point.

The question remains if having a 'big' roster is harmful for the community, and that can be answered pretty clearly... no, there's plenty of recruits to go around if smaller regiments want to do that, there's no 'leeching' involved, especially if we're still able to get recruits weekly, most of which start playing casually, just because we have numbers, doesn't mean we've got the entire NW community in our regiment, that's just silly. Having a big regiment isn't detrimental to the community as these players are getting training and could easily go to another regiment if they wish, they're getting trained up and if they want to leave, they can. Want to know why 45thN is big and stays big? Because people want to be here, if regiments are unable to retain the recruits they get, then that's their own fault for not providing what they want, people we train up stay, but also many leave, so it's not in any case a big deal, if anything it brings more players to the smaller communities who are too lazy to do it themselves, any regiment can get big.

In regards to allowing centre teams into an RGL; that should be a non-ism, having more people play in a tournament is completely respectable and should be encourage, especially given that separate companies have their own leadership, training routine and players, essentially making them a completely separate community, it's just a community that shares the same name as 45thN, there would be absolutely no difference between the centre company being its own regiment and the centre company being in another regiment. It's very obvious people are more 'fed-up' and jealous of these larger regiments due to the potential of not allowing other regiments to win, but that shouldn't be an issue as these are the same teams that are formed and trained up as any other regiment; if other regiments are unable to compete, then that's their problem for potentially the lack of leader, effort or anything in-between.

It's plainly obvious that jealousy is almost certainly a key factor, especially thinking that potentially 92nd/45thN could not only have the potential to win League 1, but also League 2 with their centre companies, but unfortunately this is how competition works. Sure you could say it's a 'regimental' group fighting league, but the centre company is still part of a regiment and is still regimental, since when by definition does 'regimental' have any number plastered to it. Centre companies in general shouldn't have 'priority' over other smaller regiments, but shouldn't also be cast out if another regiment signs up over it, should be based on time signed up.
I can almost guarantee that the NW community is not jealous of the one chromosome shared between 45thN. Why should another regiment be denied entry to RGL, and have another regiment compete with a centre and a gren company?

Jealousy of skill and potential is different from jealousy of personality; skill-wise, we're always going back to the same 'why would we decline other regiments' which is why and many others have pointed out, that a centre company is essentially a separate regiment that would quite easily bring competition to a second league, just as much as any other team that signs up for RGL. Differentiating a centre company from a regiment is silly, because they're essentially the same thing, just with the same regiments name as another company.
It is under the 45thN name. They could all be signed up with the Gren company. But the other regiment wouldn't be allowed to play at all. That is the issue I have with it. It is not 'a separate regiment'. It is a company within a regiment already signed up to RGL. Don't try and bullshit it Fietta. You don't see 16th sign up with their greek company and their guard company? And it's also regiments like 16th that you are possibly stopping playing in RGL, because 45thN wants to compete in both leagues

All regiments should be allowed to sign up as many companies as they like, but it wouldn't happen anyways as you'd only sign up the competitive ones as they're the ones that would actually do something, shouldn't be an issue with that.
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This hasn't been the case the last 7 RGLs. Don't see why the 45thN crying should change that?

Or it has been the case, just let anyone who wants to play, play. It's not rocket science.

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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #691 on: October 12, 2021, 04:51:50 pm »
Yes I am so jealous of the 45thN of course, I would love to be in events with Fietta so I can hear him being condescending and patronising to all the other people in the regiment…

Seriously get over yourselves all regiments have issues it just so happens yours are inflicted by having 300 members and not wanting to accept they’re all in the same regiment
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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #692 on: October 12, 2021, 04:53:43 pm »
Nr13 would like to sign up their lights and cav together as a unit or company. Would that work?

just a genuine question: Does anyone whos not 92nd/45thN complains why those regs cant bring their 20 companies? Or is it just them? (No hate btw)
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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #693 on: October 12, 2021, 05:00:13 pm »
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Nobody asked for my opinion but I still present it to you :D

I have somewhat of a different take than the "45thN people" but I agree with the result.

In the 92nd I have the feeling that companies are part of a huge community, but are pretty separate when it comes to Ingame stuff. Ofc we play games outside of NW together, talk to each other etc. But apart from own hosted linebattles and rare events such as the 2v2 we don't really play that much NW together, neither do we have the same goals in NW.

So ye, ofc we had people from other companies playing in the Grens, such as Dekkers, Dan or Pizza and Bluemoon (who both switched to Grens by now) But that's not really the goal. Its a nice effect to grow the community or help if you below 15 on days. Nothing more really.

So where is the difference between the kk or the IVe. They also play together a lot outside of NW, but are in separate channels on ts in NW events, often play different ones. After the logic of some of you the IVe 45e and IVe 2e Grens cannot both play. And you cant seriously mean that.

So in the end I don't even understand why center companies have lesser rights to play than regiments such as the 16th etc. They are different parts, with a fully independent roster, fully independent leadership, and their own goals.

But continue on using the "it has always been that way" argument.

Last thing in reply to Gi: I understand your point about the community as a whole. But it's a harsh point to say they need to leave then. Regiments such as the 45thN and the 92nd do not exist like they are cause they do bad work. And it's incredibly dumb to say "you need to lose man so smaller regs stay alive" cause ca competition comes up and you did too good work.

I also don't see why your are all so limited with the regiments able to play. If you have so high demand allow 8 per division or even do 4 divisions. I am sure you will find guys to help, I am happy to cover the more occurring work for allowing more regs.
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Last time 45thN and 92nd teamed up was over a year ago against Chriseh I think its high time to call the banners one more time^^

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So let’s just ignore someone like Maskman who knows next to nothing about leading and the capabilities of regiments performing well in a linebattle type of event.
To state that anyone on a “good day could beat the 77y/15thYR” is just a meme of its own, if that was the case why don't you beat the 77y or 15thYR then!?

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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #694 on: October 12, 2021, 05:04:20 pm »
You've all said your arguments both for and against. I don't see any more valid points being raised so leave it there and let the organisers make their final decision. Chriseh already said he'd review it so just let the final decision come out then cry about it, or don't and just enjoy the tournament.

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Which i did, against known and reputed player, some of them considered legend, such as, Mandarin, Ledger, Tiberias, Herishey, Hokej, Troister, Axiom, Evanovic, Stark, Eddie, Jammo, Bagins, Freddie, Python. I didn't had a good relationship with most of them, but i congratulate them for what they did, and i had pleasure facing them.

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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #695 on: October 12, 2021, 05:04:59 pm »

"An Alliance once existed between Elves and Men. Long ago we fought and died together. We come to honor that allegiance."
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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #696 on: October 12, 2021, 05:06:14 pm »
Just do a 4v4 ft5 about it.

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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #697 on: October 12, 2021, 05:08:29 pm »

"An Alliance once existed between Elves and Men. Long ago we fought and died together. We come to honor that allegiance."



Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a 92nd rat
So let’s just ignore someone like Maskman who knows next to nothing about leading and the capabilities of regiments performing well in a linebattle type of event.
To state that anyone on a “good day could beat the 77y/15thYR” is just a meme of its own, if that was the case why don't you beat the 77y or 15thYR then!?

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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #698 on: October 12, 2021, 05:09:29 pm »
You've all said your arguments both for and against. I don't see any more valid points being raised so leave it there and let the organisers make their final decision. Chriseh already said he'd review it so just let the final decision come out then cry about it, or don't and just enjoy the tournament.
Actually I said that this has already been decided xD they have just been beefing about it for funsies
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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #699 on: October 12, 2021, 05:09:59 pm »
You've all said your arguments both for and against. I don't see any more valid points being raised so leave it there and let the organisers make their final decision. Chriseh already said he'd review it so just let the final decision come out then cry about it, or don't and just enjoy the tournament.
Actually I said that this has already been decided xD they have just been beefing about it for funsies

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« Reply #700 on: October 12, 2021, 05:20:06 pm »
I remember when 15th YR were supportive; times change once they've dropped off the top and the team they once supported now is competition. You could argue about our roster size all you want, but that isn't warranted considering that 'point' isn't actually a point, especially when it came to talking about how only 'X' members turn up and that it's a "fib", that almost certainly is a personal issue rather than one that proves any form of point.

The question remains if having a 'big' roster is harmful for the community, and that can be answered pretty clearly... no, there's plenty of recruits to go around if smaller regiments want to do that, there's no 'leeching' involved, especially if we're still able to get recruits weekly, most of which start playing casually, just because we have numbers, doesn't mean we've got the entire NW community in our regiment, that's just silly. Having a big regiment isn't detrimental to the community as these players are getting training and could easily go to another regiment if they wish, they're getting trained up and if they want to leave, they can. Want to know why 45thN is big and stays big? Because people want to be here, if regiments are unable to retain the recruits they get, then that's their own fault for not providing what they want, people we train up stay, but also many leave, so it's not in any case a big deal, if anything it brings more players to the smaller communities who are too lazy to do it themselves, any regiment can get big.

In regards to allowing centre teams into an RGL; that should be a non-ism, having more people play in a tournament is completely respectable and should be encourage, especially given that separate companies have their own leadership, training routine and players, essentially making them a completely separate community, it's just a community that shares the same name as 45thN, there would be absolutely no difference between the centre company being its own regiment and the centre company being in another regiment. It's very obvious people are more 'fed-up' and jealous of these larger regiments due to the potential of not allowing other regiments to win, but that shouldn't be an issue as these are the same teams that are formed and trained up as any other regiment; if other regiments are unable to compete, then that's their problem for potentially the lack of leader, effort or anything in-between.

It's plainly obvious that jealousy is almost certainly a key factor, especially thinking that potentially 92nd/45thN could not only have the potential to win League 1, but also League 2 with their centre companies, but unfortunately this is how competition works. Sure you could say it's a 'regimental' group fighting league, but the centre company is still part of a regiment and is still regimental, since when by definition does 'regimental' have any number plastered to it. Centre companies in general shouldn't have 'priority' over other smaller regiments, but shouldn't also be cast out if another regiment signs up over it, should be based on time signed up.
lol, you people are incredible, every single slight, every single critique made that even is slightly related to the 45thn has to be taken as some major beef, or betrayal (judging from your first paragraph). It's impossible to even have a reasonable discussion about this kind of stuff because you and other people like Ryan take every argument that goes against your regiment, as a signal that we're trying to force disband the 45thn or something. I explained in my first post about how allowing centre companies or regiments to place multiple teams in a tournament is a bad thing, which in reply to, you said makes sense, yet here you are arguing to the contrary now as though the very survival of the 45thn relies on this. And to be totally clear, we have supported you, helped (and continue to help) you when possible and assisted in ways that you can not even begin to understand, so for you people to push aside critique levelled your way as an act of jealousy or malintent is frankly ridiculous.

1 - Having a huge roster is damaging if it comes at the expense of the rest of the community, if you were to have a roster of 500 people, with 100 turning up to every event and your opponents bring 10 people to each event, then quite obviously that's a bad thing for all parties involved. Now in regards to the 45thn, the whole 300 active members stuff is just a meme at the end of the day, we know and you know that realistically you don't have 300 people turning up to an event, if you want to get mad at people taking the piss out of that, then be my guest.
Also as an add on to this particular point, if a regiment is monopolising recruits, then it does have a significant impact on the rest of the EU regimental community, I remember a number of years ago in NA, the 63e banned recruiting on their servers for any other regiments but the 63e, this was hugely damaging to the NA scene at the time, I'm not comparing you to the 63e in this case. But if a regiment is receiving the majority of available recruits in the community, then there will be repercussions for that upon the rest of the regiments that rely on servers such as tropical and minisiege for playerbase.

2 - A reason why the regimental scene has survived/thrived over the last years is the fact that we have maintained the high standards required to keep things going. If you wish for stuff like centre companies to take part in RGL, then where does the ball stop? Surely if a centre company can take part, then why shouldn't a regiments lights company take part, why should I be able to make an extended groupfighting team and take part in RGL? The division of regiments into centre companies, gren companies etc is meaningless at this point, what you guys basically are advocating for is a collection of regiments/gf teams loosely connected by the same name, this should not be a part of regimental play in this game. If you also wish top advocate for this to be implemented, you must also ask yourself, why is it necessary that your second team is limited to league 2? Regiments with a competitive spirit such as 45thn and 92nd do, in some way carry that on to their centre companies, who when placed in league 2, would most likely crush any opposition, why limit them to league 2 if you want them to take part? Surely that would just present a balancing issue for the less skilled regiments in league 2.
- Let's also be real here, the majority of matches will be played 15v15 - 20v20, what's to stop regiments with b teams just placing the half of their gren company that probably wouldn't play, in their second team?

3 - RGL is the premier tournament series left in this game, it is, and should continue to be a demonstration of the best that all the regiments have to offer, it is not the job of the hosts to accommodate your specific regimental challenges, such as autonomous companies that do not work together, or a gren company that, rather than taking people from the centre company, prefers to recruit from outside the regiment. Like I've already said, as regiment leaders/communities you have to face a number of challenges, and preparing/training your regiment and organising your team to take part is one of the many challenges. Just because you have a centre company that plays well or hundreds of members, does not give you any more worth than any of the other regiments trying to take part in RGL, and nor should it offer you the chance to place multiple regimental teams in RGL, thinking otherwise is an act of selfishness and should not be something encouraged within this community.

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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #701 on: October 12, 2021, 05:33:20 pm »
You've all said your arguments both for and against. I don't see any more valid points being raised so leave it there and let the organisers make their final decision. Chriseh already said he'd review it so just let the final decision come out then cry about it, or don't and just enjoy the tournament.
Actually I said that this has already been decided xD they have just been beefing about it for funsies
I haven't read each post I got bored tbh, I just remember a few days ago seeing you say something like that after it was told to you Tardet was gonna allow it lol. All the same!!

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Which i did, against known and reputed player, some of them considered legend, such as, Mandarin, Ledger, Tiberias, Herishey, Hokej, Troister, Axiom, Evanovic, Stark, Eddie, Jammo, Bagins, Freddie, Python. I didn't had a good relationship with most of them, but i congratulate them for what they did, and i had pleasure facing them.

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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #702 on: October 12, 2021, 05:37:54 pm »
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I remember when 15th YR were supportive; times change once they've dropped off the top and the team they once supported now is competition. You could argue about our roster size all you want, but that isn't warranted considering that 'point' isn't actually a point, especially when it came to talking about how only 'X' members turn up and that it's a "fib", that almost certainly is a personal issue rather than one that proves any form of point.

The question remains if having a 'big' roster is harmful for the community, and that can be answered pretty clearly... no, there's plenty of recruits to go around if smaller regiments want to do that, there's no 'leeching' involved, especially if we're still able to get recruits weekly, most of which start playing casually, just because we have numbers, doesn't mean we've got the entire NW community in our regiment, that's just silly. Having a big regiment isn't detrimental to the community as these players are getting training and could easily go to another regiment if they wish, they're getting trained up and if they want to leave, they can. Want to know why 45thN is big and stays big? Because people want to be here, if regiments are unable to retain the recruits they get, then that's their own fault for not providing what they want, people we train up stay, but also many leave, so it's not in any case a big deal, if anything it brings more players to the smaller communities who are too lazy to do it themselves, any regiment can get big.

In regards to allowing centre teams into an RGL; that should be a non-ism, having more people play in a tournament is completely respectable and should be encourage, especially given that separate companies have their own leadership, training routine and players, essentially making them a completely separate community, it's just a community that shares the same name as 45thN, there would be absolutely no difference between the centre company being its own regiment and the centre company being in another regiment. It's very obvious people are more 'fed-up' and jealous of these larger regiments due to the potential of not allowing other regiments to win, but that shouldn't be an issue as these are the same teams that are formed and trained up as any other regiment; if other regiments are unable to compete, then that's their problem for potentially the lack of leader, effort or anything in-between.

It's plainly obvious that jealousy is almost certainly a key factor, especially thinking that potentially 92nd/45thN could not only have the potential to win League 1, but also League 2 with their centre companies, but unfortunately this is how competition works. Sure you could say it's a 'regimental' group fighting league, but the centre company is still part of a regiment and is still regimental, since when by definition does 'regimental' have any number plastered to it. Centre companies in general shouldn't have 'priority' over other smaller regiments, but shouldn't also be cast out if another regiment signs up over it, should be based on time signed up.
I can almost guarantee that the NW community is not jealous of the one chromosome shared between 45thN. Why should another regiment be denied entry to RGL, and have another regiment compete with a centre and a gren company?

Jealousy of skill and potential is different from jealousy of personality; skill-wise, we're always going back to the same 'why would we decline other regiments' which is why and many others have pointed out, that a centre company is essentially a separate regiment that would quite easily bring competition to a second league, just as much as any other team that signs up for RGL. Differentiating a centre company from a regiment is silly, because they're essentially the same thing, just with the same regiments name as another company.
It is under the 45thN name. They could all be signed up with the Gren company. But the other regiment wouldn't be allowed to play at all. That is the issue I have with it. It is not 'a separate regiment'. It is a company within a regiment already signed up to RGL. Don't try and bullshit it Fietta. You don't see 16th sign up with their greek company and their guard company? And it's also regiments like 16th that you are possibly stopping playing in RGL, because 45thN wants to compete in both leagues

All regiments should be allowed to sign up as many companies as they like, but it wouldn't happen anyways as you'd only sign up the competitive ones as they're the ones that would actually do something, shouldn't be an issue with that.
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This hasn't been the case the last 7 RGLs. Don't see why the 45thN crying should change that?

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Nobody asked for my opinion but I still present it to you :D

I have somewhat of a different take than the "45thN people" but I agree with the result.

In the 92nd I have the feeling that companies are part of a huge community, but are pretty separate when it comes to Ingame stuff. Ofc we play games outside of NW together, talk to each other etc. But apart from own hosted linebattles and rare events such as the 2v2 we don't really play that much NW together, neither do we have the same goals in NW.

So ye, ofc we had people from other companies playing in the Grens, such as Dekkers, Dan or Pizza and Bluemoon (who both switched to Grens by now) But that's not really the goal. Its a nice effect to grow the community or help if you below 15 on days. Nothing more really.

So where is the difference between the kk or the IVe. They also play together a lot outside of NW, but are in separate channels on ts in NW events, often play different ones. After the logic of some of you the IVe 45e and IVe 2e Grens cannot both play. And you cant seriously mean that.

So in the end I don't even understand why center companies have lesser rights to play than regiments such as the 16th etc. They are different parts, with a fully independent roster, fully independent leadership, and their own goals.

But continue on using the "it has always been that way" argument.

Last thing in reply to Gi: I understand your point about the community as a whole. But it's a harsh point to say they need to leave then. Regiments such as the 45thN and the 92nd do not exist like they are cause they do bad work. And it's incredibly dumb to say "you need to lose man so smaller regs stay alive" cause ca competition comes up and you did too good work.

I also don't see why your are all so limited with the regiments able to play. If you have so high demand allow 8 per division or even do 4 divisions. I am sure you will find guys to help, I am happy to cover the more occurring work for allowing more regs.
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Unicorn they are actually separate regiments in a battalion I believe. Which is not the same with 45thN and 92nd. They ARE part of the same regiment
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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #703 on: October 12, 2021, 05:41:05 pm »
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I remember when 15th YR were supportive; times change once they've dropped off the top and the team they once supported now is competition. You could argue about our roster size all you want, but that isn't warranted considering that 'point' isn't actually a point, especially when it came to talking about how only 'X' members turn up and that it's a "fib", that almost certainly is a personal issue rather than one that proves any form of point.

The question remains if having a 'big' roster is harmful for the community, and that can be answered pretty clearly... no, there's plenty of recruits to go around if smaller regiments want to do that, there's no 'leeching' involved, especially if we're still able to get recruits weekly, most of which start playing casually, just because we have numbers, doesn't mean we've got the entire NW community in our regiment, that's just silly. Having a big regiment isn't detrimental to the community as these players are getting training and could easily go to another regiment if they wish, they're getting trained up and if they want to leave, they can. Want to know why 45thN is big and stays big? Because people want to be here, if regiments are unable to retain the recruits they get, then that's their own fault for not providing what they want, people we train up stay, but also many leave, so it's not in any case a big deal, if anything it brings more players to the smaller communities who are too lazy to do it themselves, any regiment can get big.

In regards to allowing centre teams into an RGL; that should be a non-ism, having more people play in a tournament is completely respectable and should be encourage, especially given that separate companies have their own leadership, training routine and players, essentially making them a completely separate community, it's just a community that shares the same name as 45thN, there would be absolutely no difference between the centre company being its own regiment and the centre company being in another regiment. It's very obvious people are more 'fed-up' and jealous of these larger regiments due to the potential of not allowing other regiments to win, but that shouldn't be an issue as these are the same teams that are formed and trained up as any other regiment; if other regiments are unable to compete, then that's their problem for potentially the lack of leader, effort or anything in-between.

It's plainly obvious that jealousy is almost certainly a key factor, especially thinking that potentially 92nd/45thN could not only have the potential to win League 1, but also League 2 with their centre companies, but unfortunately this is how competition works. Sure you could say it's a 'regimental' group fighting league, but the centre company is still part of a regiment and is still regimental, since when by definition does 'regimental' have any number plastered to it. Centre companies in general shouldn't have 'priority' over other smaller regiments, but shouldn't also be cast out if another regiment signs up over it, should be based on time signed up.
I can almost guarantee that the NW community is not jealous of the one chromosome shared between 45thN. Why should another regiment be denied entry to RGL, and have another regiment compete with a centre and a gren company?

Jealousy of skill and potential is different from jealousy of personality; skill-wise, we're always going back to the same 'why would we decline other regiments' which is why and many others have pointed out, that a centre company is essentially a separate regiment that would quite easily bring competition to a second league, just as much as any other team that signs up for RGL. Differentiating a centre company from a regiment is silly, because they're essentially the same thing, just with the same regiments name as another company.
It is under the 45thN name. They could all be signed up with the Gren company. But the other regiment wouldn't be allowed to play at all. That is the issue I have with it. It is not 'a separate regiment'. It is a company within a regiment already signed up to RGL. Don't try and bullshit it Fietta. You don't see 16th sign up with their greek company and their guard company? And it's also regiments like 16th that you are possibly stopping playing in RGL, because 45thN wants to compete in both leagues

All regiments should be allowed to sign up as many companies as they like, but it wouldn't happen anyways as you'd only sign up the competitive ones as they're the ones that would actually do something, shouldn't be an issue with that.
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This hasn't been the case the last 7 RGLs. Don't see why the 45thN crying should change that?

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Nobody asked for my opinion but I still present it to you :D

I have somewhat of a different take than the "45thN people" but I agree with the result.

In the 92nd I have the feeling that companies are part of a huge community, but are pretty separate when it comes to Ingame stuff. Ofc we play games outside of NW together, talk to each other etc. But apart from own hosted linebattles and rare events such as the 2v2 we don't really play that much NW together, neither do we have the same goals in NW.

So ye, ofc we had people from other companies playing in the Grens, such as Dekkers, Dan or Pizza and Bluemoon (who both switched to Grens by now) But that's not really the goal. Its a nice effect to grow the community or help if you below 15 on days. Nothing more really.

So where is the difference between the kk or the IVe. They also play together a lot outside of NW, but are in separate channels on ts in NW events, often play different ones. After the logic of some of you the IVe 45e and IVe 2e Grens cannot both play. And you cant seriously mean that.

So in the end I don't even understand why center companies have lesser rights to play than regiments such as the 16th etc. They are different parts, with a fully independent roster, fully independent leadership, and their own goals.

But continue on using the "it has always been that way" argument.

Last thing in reply to Gi: I understand your point about the community as a whole. But it's a harsh point to say they need to leave then. Regiments such as the 45thN and the 92nd do not exist like they are cause they do bad work. And it's incredibly dumb to say "you need to lose man so smaller regs stay alive" cause ca competition comes up and you did too good work.

I also don't see why your are all so limited with the regiments able to play. If you have so high demand allow 8 per division or even do 4 divisions. I am sure you will find guys to help, I am happy to cover the more occurring work for allowing more regs.
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Unicorn they are actually separate regiments in a battalion I believe. Which is not the same with 45thN and 92nd. They ARE part of the same regiment
It wasn't me who made that post :3

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Re: [RGL8] Introduction & Applications
« Reply #704 on: October 12, 2021, 05:48:52 pm »
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I remember when 15th YR were supportive; times change once they've dropped off the top and the team they once supported now is competition. You could argue about our roster size all you want, but that isn't warranted considering that 'point' isn't actually a point, especially when it came to talking about how only 'X' members turn up and that it's a "fib", that almost certainly is a personal issue rather than one that proves any form of point.

The question remains if having a 'big' roster is harmful for the community, and that can be answered pretty clearly... no, there's plenty of recruits to go around if smaller regiments want to do that, there's no 'leeching' involved, especially if we're still able to get recruits weekly, most of which start playing casually, just because we have numbers, doesn't mean we've got the entire NW community in our regiment, that's just silly. Having a big regiment isn't detrimental to the community as these players are getting training and could easily go to another regiment if they wish, they're getting trained up and if they want to leave, they can. Want to know why 45thN is big and stays big? Because people want to be here, if regiments are unable to retain the recruits they get, then that's their own fault for not providing what they want, people we train up stay, but also many leave, so it's not in any case a big deal, if anything it brings more players to the smaller communities who are too lazy to do it themselves, any regiment can get big.

In regards to allowing centre teams into an RGL; that should be a non-ism, having more people play in a tournament is completely respectable and should be encourage, especially given that separate companies have their own leadership, training routine and players, essentially making them a completely separate community, it's just a community that shares the same name as 45thN, there would be absolutely no difference between the centre company being its own regiment and the centre company being in another regiment. It's very obvious people are more 'fed-up' and jealous of these larger regiments due to the potential of not allowing other regiments to win, but that shouldn't be an issue as these are the same teams that are formed and trained up as any other regiment; if other regiments are unable to compete, then that's their problem for potentially the lack of leader, effort or anything in-between.

It's plainly obvious that jealousy is almost certainly a key factor, especially thinking that potentially 92nd/45thN could not only have the potential to win League 1, but also League 2 with their centre companies, but unfortunately this is how competition works. Sure you could say it's a 'regimental' group fighting league, but the centre company is still part of a regiment and is still regimental, since when by definition does 'regimental' have any number plastered to it. Centre companies in general shouldn't have 'priority' over other smaller regiments, but shouldn't also be cast out if another regiment signs up over it, should be based on time signed up.
I can almost guarantee that the NW community is not jealous of the one chromosome shared between 45thN. Why should another regiment be denied entry to RGL, and have another regiment compete with a centre and a gren company?

Jealousy of skill and potential is different from jealousy of personality; skill-wise, we're always going back to the same 'why would we decline other regiments' which is why and many others have pointed out, that a centre company is essentially a separate regiment that would quite easily bring competition to a second league, just as much as any other team that signs up for RGL. Differentiating a centre company from a regiment is silly, because they're essentially the same thing, just with the same regiments name as another company.
It is under the 45thN name. They could all be signed up with the Gren company. But the other regiment wouldn't be allowed to play at all. That is the issue I have with it. It is not 'a separate regiment'. It is a company within a regiment already signed up to RGL. Don't try and bullshit it Fietta. You don't see 16th sign up with their greek company and their guard company? And it's also regiments like 16th that you are possibly stopping playing in RGL, because 45thN wants to compete in both leagues

All regiments should be allowed to sign up as many companies as they like, but it wouldn't happen anyways as you'd only sign up the competitive ones as they're the ones that would actually do something, shouldn't be an issue with that.
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This hasn't been the case the last 7 RGLs. Don't see why the 45thN crying should change that?

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Nobody asked for my opinion but I still present it to you :D

I have somewhat of a different take than the "45thN people" but I agree with the result.

In the 92nd I have the feeling that companies are part of a huge community, but are pretty separate when it comes to Ingame stuff. Ofc we play games outside of NW together, talk to each other etc. But apart from own hosted linebattles and rare events such as the 2v2 we don't really play that much NW together, neither do we have the same goals in NW.

So ye, ofc we had people from other companies playing in the Grens, such as Dekkers, Dan or Pizza and Bluemoon (who both switched to Grens by now) But that's not really the goal. Its a nice effect to grow the community or help if you below 15 on days. Nothing more really.

So where is the difference between the kk or the IVe. They also play together a lot outside of NW, but are in separate channels on ts in NW events, often play different ones. After the logic of some of you the IVe 45e and IVe 2e Grens cannot both play. And you cant seriously mean that.

So in the end I don't even understand why center companies have lesser rights to play than regiments such as the 16th etc. They are different parts, with a fully independent roster, fully independent leadership, and their own goals.

But continue on using the "it has always been that way" argument.

Last thing in reply to Gi: I understand your point about the community as a whole. But it's a harsh point to say they need to leave then. Regiments such as the 45thN and the 92nd do not exist like they are cause they do bad work. And it's incredibly dumb to say "you need to lose man so smaller regs stay alive" cause ca competition comes up and you did too good work.

I also don't see why your are all so limited with the regiments able to play. If you have so high demand allow 8 per division or even do 4 divisions. I am sure you will find guys to help, I am happy to cover the more occurring work for allowing more regs.
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Unicorn they are actually separate regiments in a battalion I believe. Which is not the same with 45thN and 92nd. They ARE part of the same regiment
It wasn't me who made that post :3

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