NATO vs Warsaw Pact (Who Would Win)

[Captain America]

I'm not sure how Eastern Europa was in any way economically better off in the 50s

It wasn't, it was much worse, but the West needed improved economy to be able to get back on a war footing, the East was already on a war footing

What?

Eastern Europe was raped in WW2, everything was ruined to shit. On top of that they were communist countries, thus generating no resources to rebuild the countries or modernise them (Just look at Eastern Europe nowadays, they're in the mid 1990 economically). War economies ruin countries and running it for a prolonged period of time just reduces the little resources they already had.

Warsaw Pact nations wouldn't be able to sustain more than a year of full war if it broke out before mid 60's.

They didn't need to sustain war for a year, all US planning in this period made the assumption that Western Europe would be lost very rapidly. Doctrine emphasised using Britain as a base for air raids, but very much accepted that Soviet military might could probably hold the continent against invasion. And you are forgetting the massive amount of Soviet industry east of the Urals that was moved there during the German invasion. All of that was still very much active and pumping out war materiel.

[munky-wunky]

N.A.T.O would win

[Johan]

I'm not sure how Eastern Europa was in any way economically better off in the 50s

It wasn't, it was much worse, but the West needed improved economy to be able to get back on a war footing, the East was already on a war footing

What?

Eastern Europe was raped in WW2, everything was ruined to shit. On top of that they were communist countries, thus generating no resources to rebuild the countries or modernise them (Just look at Eastern Europe nowadays, they're in the mid 1990 economically). War economies ruin countries and running it for a prolonged period of time just reduces the little resources they already had.

Warsaw Pact nations wouldn't be able to sustain more than a year of full war if it broke out before mid 60's.

Any evidence to back your claims?

[Captain America]

What?

Eastern Europe was raped in WW2, everything was ruined to shit. On top of that they were communist countries, thus generating no resources to rebuild the countries or modernise them (Just look at Eastern Europe nowadays, they're in the mid 1990 economically). War economies ruin countries and running it for a prolonged period of time just reduces the little resources they already had.

Warsaw Pact nations wouldn't be able to sustain more than a year of full war if it broke out before mid 60's.

Interesting how the Communist Bloc broke up in the 1990s, and you cannot deny that Russia went from absolutely no industrialization to  being a major industrial power after the revolution.

[Duuring]

Yeah, if you force people to...

[Johan]

I find it funny how Sven hates Communism especially it's planned economy, while Nazi Germany had the exact same... 

[Captain America]

Yeah, if you force people to...

I'm not saying that Stalinist economies weren't brutal and dehumanized, I am saying that if facilitates success in war

[Bruin]

Yeah, if you force people to...

I'm not saying that Stalinist economies weren't brutal and dehumanized, I am saying that if facilitates success in war

I think that argument can go both ways. 

[Skipper]

Warsaw pact, Russia is more powerful than the USA at the moment. Could take out the USA, which is in fairness the only country in NATO that would make a significant difference (this is coming from a Brit, Britain would not be able to do anything but suck-up the nukes for America).

[Duuring]

China isn't a member of the Warsaw pact.

[TORN]

Russia more powerfull than America at the moment? We're talking about warsaw pact.

[Skipper]

Russia is more powerful than USA so far, though just about, and I thought we were saying if Warsaw pact was around today.

[Duuring]

Russia is mostly more willing to use their army. That doesn't necessarily express strength. In fact, it can even signal weakness.

[Archduke Sven]

Small dogs bark more than big ones.

[TORN]

i thought we were talking about warsaw pact when it still excisted.