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I mean you say that its not that people don't know how to play against it, but if you ask someone like diarmuid about the difference in difficulty facing you for example, and facing someone intimately familiar with the class like myself, he'll tell you that they're very difference, if you can 1v1 diar and beat him with a similar scoreline to mine against him then maybe i'll accept the premise that people actually do know how to play vs lancers

You missed the point of my post entirely. Lancers keep pointing the finger to the opposition by saying they simply cannot play against them and that therefore the class should be allowed. Lancers have range, medium maneuverability and speed, the couch lancing ability and the ability to use a sword. Hussars have good maneuverability and speed, but have a very weak horse and very limited range. Heavies only have significant range and the ability to take more hits than other classes, with the major downside being their horse being incredibly slow. The pros and cons of the other classes are balanced, whereas with the lancer no such thing exists. What one particular person experiences does not discredit that.
I'd say rather that it was you rather that misunderstood me, in that, my point is that is there are disadvantages to the lancer class, which i take advantage of regularly, the reason we say you don't know how to play against l;ancers is that you don't take advantage of thos openings well enough, if you did, you wouldn't be calling lancers overpowered

Again, the advantages of a lancer outweigh the disadvantages compared to the other classes. This continued argument of 'people can simply not play against us' has been worn out and holds very little value at this point. If you want to get the last word in be my guest, but at least try to discredit what I said rather than repeating the same point over and over.
I understand what you're trying to say,  but that relies on the premise that what you are saying is correct, which it isn't... This continued argument of 'the advantages of a lancer outweigh the disadvantages compared to the other classes' has been worn out and holds very little value at this point.

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I can see it now, without the couch and we're facing multiple grounded opponents, the entire thing comes to a halt as we strike and they block, over and over, and we are forced to resort to bumping into them to kill them, which takes time.

You're forgetting that you've got the ability to switch to a saber there. If you find yourself in a situation where you have for instance 6 mounted men, facing 7 or 8 enemy dismounted. Then you can have 3 of your men fighting with their lanced, the other 3 using the saber. The combination of two weapons is and always has been extremely deadly on NW.

You guys must remember that this is the first time that the lancer class is allowed at a CNC. Obviously we can't expect things to be 100% perfect from day 1. We are still making changes to try and make things as balanced as possible. I honestly don't believe the lancer class is nerfed by that vote decision to a point of becoming unplayable. All the good lancers I saw on this game used the normal lance hits a lot more than the couched ability.
Its hard to make balance changes while not having any cnc match material to go off to see how balanced it is however

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I mean you say that its not that people don't know how to play against it, but if you ask someone like diarmuid about the difference in difficulty facing you for example, and facing someone intimately familiar with the class like myself, he'll tell you that they're very difference, if you can 1v1 diar and beat him with a similar scoreline to mine against him then maybe i'll accept the premise that people actually do know how to play vs lancers

You missed the point of my post entirely. Lancers keep pointing the finger to the opposition by saying they simply cannot play against them and that therefore the class should be allowed. Lancers have range, medium maneuverability and speed, the couch lancing ability and the ability to use a sword. Hussars have good maneuverability and speed, but have a very weak horse and very limited range. Heavies only have significant range and the ability to take more hits than other classes, with the major downside being their horse being incredibly slow. The pros and cons of the other classes are balanced, whereas with the lancer no such thing exists. What one particular person experiences does not discredit that.
I'd say rather that it was you rather that misunderstood me, in that, my point is that is there are disadvantages to the lancer class, which i take advantage of regularly, the reason we say you don't know how to play against l;ancers is that you don't take advantage of thos openings well enough, if you did, you wouldn't be calling lancers overpowered

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I mean you say that its not that people don't know how to play against it, but if you ask someone like diarmuid about the difference in difficulty facing you for example, and facing someone intimately familiar with the class like myself, he'll tell you that they're very different, if you can 1v1 diar and beat him with a similar scoreline to mine against him then maybe i'll accept the premise that people actually do know how to play vs lancers

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After receiving lots of complaining regarding the fact that lancers were allowed into the tournament, I have been looking for a solution to try and make as many people happy as possible.
There was obviously no way I would ever come back on that decision, due to my personal beliefs that it should be allowed, and the fact that it was decided by a Captains vote.

However yesterday I did host another Captains vote, to decide wether lancers should be allowed to use the couched lance ability or not.
Now that all Captains have voted : the result is as follows:


YES, I think we should forbid the couched lance ability = 8 votes / 12
NO, I do not think we should change anything = 4 votes / 12


Therefore, new rule:

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17. Teams playing are lancers are not allowed to use the couched lance ability of the unit. If a player does it, he will be slain. If it continues, points might be taken off the guilty team.

Thank you for taking good notes of it.
Also, this was decided by a vote between all of the 12 captains. I will remind you that the lancer class was allowed into the tournament by the exact same way, therefore I will apply the same "rules" to what's gonna follow on FSE. You may debate it, but any flaming or drama-filled post will be removed instantly. Keep all discussions polite or refrain from posting.

Hopefully this makes for a more fun and balanced tournament.

So in response to accusations that people don't know how to play against lancer, after lancer having been allowed, the mechanic which people don't know how to counter correctly has now been banned, really makes you think. Just because we've lost a lot of experienced players for this years tournament doesn't mean we can let the entire thing descend into degeneracy. I personally don't see why you even went through the motions of allowing a vote about lancers if you were planning to pull out this vote immediately after. Now i'm not saying that you're going back on your word, but i don't think that it'd be a stretch to say that the new decision is a little in bad faith.

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He has family in the netherlands, i think his mum is from there

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Haha, erik le rouge more like erik le voice of reason <3

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You can jumpblock in nw btw ciiges

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Ironic that people would complain about lancera playing passively when 90% of players these days who are hussars wouldn't come at you aggresively if their lives depended on it. Also, if you think lancers are overpowered and you can just play lancer too to win then go ahead and try. You're all too busy calling lancers op to realise that theres only about 5 players in eu nw that play lancer with any degree of competency, and you get trashed by them cuz you're too lazy to learn to play against it. it'd be easier for you gys to just learn to play the game fully and properly as hussar than to pick up a new class <3 xxx

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Application for Team Player,
Your Name: Tomas Cadarn
Your Steam Name (please give a link): https://steamcommunity.com/id/DCHEIB/
Your Nation: UK

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Admin Application:
Nickname: Bipolar Express
Steamname: DcH Emotional Investment Banker
GUID: 660390
How active can you be: 10-20h a week at varying times
Current Regiment/Clan: League of lancers
Admin experience: Have run linebattles in the past, hosting 1v1s, and was an admin on cavalry groupfighting
Why do you want this role: I thought i would be a good choice of admin, since i'm known to some of the head admins and i see myself as trustworthy, and since i've reduced my attendance at events, becoming an admin would give me an excuse to play the game more.

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Team Name:
Captain and Vice-Captain (+ Steam link): Captain:Tomas Cadarn: https://steamcommunity.com/id/westhoff97
                                                                  Vice Captain: Johnny: https://steamcommunity.com/id/KieranJohn/
Roster (notice who is inf' and who is cav):Cavalry: Tomas Cadarn, Kantus, Xcal1ber
                                                                  Infantry: Johnny, Gusson
Do you read and agree with rules?:Yes
I'm a bit retarded XD
Team Name: LAPD 

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Team Name:
Captain and Vice-Captain (+ Steam link): Captain:Tomas Cadarn: https://steamcommunity.com/id/westhoff97
                                                                  Vice Captain: Johnny: https://steamcommunity.com/id/KieranJohn/
Roster (notice who is inf' and who is cav):Cavalry: Tomas Cadarn, Kantus, Xcal1ber
                                                                  Infantry: Johnny, Gusson
Do you read and agree with rules?:Yes

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Application for Team Player,
Your Name: Tomas_Cadarn
Your Steam Name (please give a link):https://steamcommunity.com/id/westhoff97/
Your Nation:UK

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