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Title: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 01:23:55 am
Quote from: Blobmania
Due to excessive strain on the forum servers, the FSE administration have unfortunately had to make a decision to cap all regiment threads at 100 pages. This thread will now be locked, please feel free to begin a new thread for your regiment.

Thanks for your co-operation,

Regards,

Blobmania,
Senior Moderator

All regiment threads have been capped to 100 pages, any thoughts on the matter?
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: SeanBeansShako on October 14, 2014, 01:26:28 am
A reasonable cap.

EDIT:

For experimentaition sakes, I'm just going to read a page of a few of these locked threads. First off, lets see what is going down on page 470 of the 25th Regiment of Foot "King's Own Borderers" (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=4073.7035).

Uh okay maybe something less recent. Lets try this one here page 50 of 15ᵉ Régiment de Voltigeurs de la Garde Impériale (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=11050.735)

Well the image is nice sort of. But still seeing people kind of being jerks.

Okay how about another one here with the Nr.37 Infantry Regiment thread, page 100 in fact. (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=16022.1485)

Just spam.

Call me crazy, but the purpose of these threads it more or less recruitment and organisation. Seems to me now they've turned into weird spammy chat rooms where people just circle jerk, spam and yell at each other needless all day. Some of the stuff here clearly would drive people away from joining up or playing the game at all guys.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: usnavy30 on October 14, 2014, 01:27:35 am
Conserving resources, more efficient posts. Change happens.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: InfamousBeats on October 14, 2014, 01:28:43 am
It feels to me you take away a lot of the history of a regiment. Also, in all honesty, this wasn't very thought through, since it is impossible (for as far as I know, tell me if I'm wrong :P) to quote, modify your posts on a locked page, meaning I can't copy paste the thread I spent forever to make.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 14, 2014, 01:31:43 am
They locked all the threads so now people can't even copy and paste their BB codes to make a new one.

Honestly what the actual fuck? Taleworlds has LOADS more 100+ page threads than FSE will ever have, they use the same software, are you to tell me FSE's servers are just that shitty?

There's an ulterior motive here, God knows what.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 01:31:47 am
#muhpages

Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 01:32:00 am
Why block the thread if you're going to recommend starting a new one? Surely creating a new one with another original post like the 63e's one which has dozens of images is worse than just letting the thread continue...?

Pardon my French, but this is bullshit.

Another 10/10 decision made by the mod team!

Why the poll? This isn't a democracy.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Madbull on October 14, 2014, 01:32:19 am
hi mom
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Griffian on October 14, 2014, 01:33:45 am
It feels to me you take away a lot of the history of a regiment. Also, in all honesty, this wasn't very thought through, since it is impossible (for as far as I know, tell me if I'm wrong :P) to quote, modify your posts on a locked page, meaning I can't copy paste the thread I spent forever to make.

A very very good point.

Why not just enforce some picture rules and wipe the old threads of dead regiments? Why put in an oppressive and thoroughly (Frankly) stupid cap?
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Locust on October 14, 2014, 01:35:17 am
FSE is worse at making de scions than the US Government. Luckily the 40th thread is saved elsewhere but what if it wasn't?  How the fuck are reg leaders supposed to get their thread back?
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 01:36:25 am
RIP every single regiment's thread

Time to get working on new OP guys
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 01:38:25 am
You can message a moderator for your thread's bb code back
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: InfamousBeats on October 14, 2014, 01:39:18 am
FSE is worse at making de scions than the US Government. Luckily the 40th thread is saved elsewhere but what if it wasn't?  How the fuck are reg leaders supposed to get their thread back?

By sending a nice message to Blob. Guys lets not pretend this is fucking the end of the world. A simple request is all it takes, let's discuss on this thread whether or not capping the pages is of any use (see Frith's post)

Why block the thread if you're going to recommend starting a new one? Surely creating a new one with another original post like the 63e's one which has dozens of images is worse than just letting the thread continue...?

Pardon my French, but this is bullshit.

Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: usnavy30 on October 14, 2014, 01:40:55 am
How the fuck are reg leaders supposed to get their thread back?
This stickied topic explains it, will be a FAQ now.
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=19540.0
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 01:41:33 am
Honestly. Look at the 93rd's thread. Now there's two of them. Two of those beautiful things taking up more space than just the one would. It's not as if having a new thread will stop people from posting on it... Also, when the new thread gets to 100 pages, do we have to start yet another? Three threads with the same space-hogging OP? What's the logic behind this?
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: SeanBeansShako on October 14, 2014, 01:45:01 am
You can message a moderator for your thread's bb code back

Yeah, this. It is pretty sane.

There is no alterior motive to this. If they didn't do it, there'd be a thread here demanding FSE to make the forums less slow.

Why not HEY! take sometime and delete the 50 pages of shit locked thread's and disbanded regiments

We tried this when I was a mod in the summer. People of course objected, and it was only done in a limited amount.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: Griffian on October 14, 2014, 01:46:15 am
Honestly. Look at the 93rd's thread. Now there's two of them. Two of those beautiful things taking up more space than just the one would. It's not as if having a new thread will stop people from posting on it... Also, when the new thread gets to 100 pages, do we have to start yet another? Three threads with the same space-hogging OP? What's the logic behind this?

This.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: InfamousBeats on October 14, 2014, 01:46:33 am
Exactly, look I am happy to share all my 93rd love, but the question is, like Frith says, does the 101st page strain the servers more than the 2nd page???


Edit: one thing I am 100% sure of, is that my 1st page is waaaay more straining than page 101
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 01:46:41 am
There are 83 pages of regiments with like 70 pages of inactive/locked threads. Perhaps delete the ones that haven't been active for 2 years?
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 01:46:49 am
Why not HEY! take sometime and delete the 50 pages of shit locked thread's and disbanded regiments
+1

I also don't understand how thread pages could cause wear on the server, we don't live in 2005.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: Peter Broetz on October 14, 2014, 01:47:17 am
You can message a moderator for your thread's bb code back

Yeah, this. It is pretty sane.

There is no alterior motive to this. If they didn't do it, there'd be a thread here demanding FSE to make the forums less slow.

Okay.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 01:48:27 am
Why not HEY! take sometime and delete the 50 pages of shit locked thread's and disbanded regiments
+1

I also don't understand how thread pages could cause wear on the server, we don't live in 2005.

WHAT YEAR IS IT
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 01:52:12 am
let's get this to a 100 pages so it gets locked
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: Locust on October 14, 2014, 01:52:50 am
Ye
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: NickyJ on October 14, 2014, 01:54:19 am
"I have an idea to put less strain on the servers"

"Oh what's that fellow oppressive FSE moderator?"

"Let's DOUBLE the number of threads on regiment's board!"

"You smart! NO, YOU A GENIUS"
qft (with screwed up date ftw)
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: Shredder on October 14, 2014, 01:55:47 am
Maybe they're doing it to stop people from spam posting to reach a certain number of pages? If people have to make new threads every 100 pages, they'd be less likely to go for those page milestones.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: InfamousBeats on October 14, 2014, 01:56:48 am
I will be now aiming to own 25 100-post-threads. My October resolution
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 01:57:00 am
"Who can be the first to get three threads?!"
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: Griffian on October 14, 2014, 01:57:18 am
Maybe they're doing it to stop people from spam posting to reach a certain number of pages? If people have to make new threads every 100 pages, they'd be less likely to go for those page milestones.

Or maybe people would start going at it harder to get the highest Mk. thread? 63meme would be on Mk.IX now and 44th would be on Mk.IIII.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: NickyJ on October 14, 2014, 01:57:24 am
Even without that, there are still going to be double the threads now. Instead of spamming threads for every 100 pages, they'll be spamming for new threads. "LOOK AT US, WE HAVE 10 THREADS WOOOOOOOOOO"
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #muhpages
Post by: michaelroelant on October 14, 2014, 02:01:04 am
Hope it's will be changed again when they finished their project
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Walko on October 14, 2014, 02:19:43 am
The amount of perfectly feasible other options is too damn high. It seems like FSE has been making a lot of bold brash decisions lately. I hope it doesn't continue

Also inb4 only two people who vote yes are seanbeanshako and blob.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 14, 2014, 02:22:17 am
Oh look, odds are 10 to 1 in no's favor.

That sending a message FSE?
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Shredder on October 14, 2014, 02:26:06 am
The threads that aren't for regiments still have 100+ pages on some, I assume it's intentional?
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 14, 2014, 02:29:50 am
If they started closing those threads I'd just flat-out leave this site.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Commissar Jdf on October 14, 2014, 02:31:15 am
If it helps get rid of people thinking

omg u so cool rekt swag im 12 years old and like to triple post

type stuff is cool, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Sleek on October 14, 2014, 02:32:24 am
hello and welcome to 4chan where all your threads go away after a certain amount of posts :^)

Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: William on October 14, 2014, 02:33:54 am
Why don't we have lord esquire Diplex donate 5000 euros for a new server box?

Edit: Forgot that everyone owns a computer from 1990 and can't load a forum, my bad  ::)
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 02:39:00 am
Everyone's reaction when the thread cap started

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnew4.fjcdn.com%2Fthumbnails%2Fcomments%2FWhy%2Bis%2Ba%2Bblind%2Bgirl%2Bin%2Ba%2Blibrary%2B_092257211a4e9cba74adff71a454aa66.jpg&hash=76cb8fee980655510cf236214b10bb93fca04bb1)
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 14, 2014, 02:44:56 am
let's go back to taleworlds.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 14, 2014, 02:46:15 am
let's go back to taleworlds.

I like this man.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 14, 2014, 02:48:27 am
Worst fse never loved
fse never loved us
You ain't know, now you know now
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Dom13WorstNW on October 14, 2014, 02:49:20 am
Why don't we have lord esquire Diplex donate 5000 euros for a new server box?

Edit: Forgot that everyone owns a computer from 1990 and can't load a forum, my bad  ::)

sorry
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: sirkaide on October 14, 2014, 02:58:33 am
We need to take time to pray in these stressful times! Lets see what the lord has to say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3dbd2YyeN0
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 14, 2014, 03:13:27 am
So kaide went from watched to muted. good effort Kaide.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Bear on October 14, 2014, 03:14:58 am
Instead of regimental threads you lock which are active why don't you lock event pages that never have any bumps
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 14, 2014, 03:20:25 am
*migrates to taleworlds*
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Zzehth on October 14, 2014, 03:24:57 am
Lets go to Skype.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Bear on October 14, 2014, 03:26:39 am
1. Maybe delete the 100+ pages of ban and unban requests

2. Any regimental thread that hasnt been bumped in over a year and a half

3. Event threads that arent constantly bumped

4. ??????

5. Profit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFwXmz1KGoQ
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 03:27:46 am
Also some threads in the off-topic and mess hall  section that don't get as much traffic as they used to.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Shine on October 14, 2014, 03:29:18 am
let's go back to taleworlds.

tw fucking hates us
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Christopher on October 14, 2014, 03:29:41 am
I can't say I'd agree with the locking of the threads but whats done is done.
One thing I'd say though is that it would have been nice to get a warning about it so regiment leaders that needed to get their BB code ready could get it ready and copied.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: 71st_Blade on October 14, 2014, 04:04:07 am
Guys shh, they might lock this one.  8)
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Stunned Lime on October 14, 2014, 04:13:44 am
I have an idea, details will be handed out soon and a meeting will be held in the upcoming days.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 14, 2014, 04:18:21 am
I have an idea, details will be handed out soon and a meeting will be held in the upcoming days.
sounds yum.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Butts on October 14, 2014, 04:49:09 am
I can't say I'd agree with the locking of the threads but whats done is done.
One thing I'd say though is that it would have been nice to get a warning about it so regiment leaders that needed to get their BB code ready could get it ready and copied.
+1
This.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Wastee on October 14, 2014, 05:09:20 am
Gais I am making a forum called flying elephant entertainment come post there, it will be hosted by my friend mitt romney
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Locust on October 14, 2014, 05:14:18 am
We should Bush Pirate Vincenzo's reenactment events.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 05:15:03 am
We should Bush Pirate Vincent o's reenactment events.
Sounds like a plan
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: The Rebel on October 14, 2014, 05:31:34 am
Blobmania dun goofd
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Swerpious Maximous on October 14, 2014, 05:35:54 am
Blobmania dun goofd
Don't kill the messenger
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Ody on October 14, 2014, 06:07:51 am
Idk if half these comments are serious or not, but most of the threads out there are just...spam and I know I used to be like that to, but time to grow up guys. There was once a time when a thread held something meaningful like relevant to the game, regiment and event, now it's all this stupid 420 shit. Fuck the haters, I support the FSE teams decision on capping the thread, maybe now people will post meaningful things instead of 420 youtube videos
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: NickyJ on October 14, 2014, 06:17:42 am
Idk if half these comments are serious or not, but most of the threads out there are just...spam and I know I used to be like that to, but time to grow up guys. There was once a time when a thread held something meaningful like relevant to the game, regiment and event, now it's all this stupid 420 shit. Fuck the haters, I support the FSE teams decision on capping the thread, maybe now people will post meaningful things instead of 420 youtube videos
People are going to do what they can to keep their threads on the first page. Instead of saying "bump", they do the spam talk. Different words, same effect. This isn't going to stop it.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 14, 2014, 06:17:51 am
Idk if half these comments are serious or not, but most of the threads out there are just...spam and I know I used to be like that to, but time to grow up guys. There was once a time when a thread held something meaningful like relevant to the game, regiment and event, now it's all this stupid 420 shit. Fuck the haters, I support the FSE teams decision on capping the thread, maybe now people will post meaningful things instead of 420 youtube videos

Stfu. You are paid by fse.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: EdwardC on October 14, 2014, 06:18:08 am
We should Bush Pirate Vincent o's reenactment events.
Sounds like a plan


+1
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Locust on October 14, 2014, 06:29:36 am
Friendly bump :)
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 14, 2014, 06:47:57 am
We should Bush Pirate Vincenzo's reenactment events.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Marceaux on October 14, 2014, 07:30:56 am
FSE USERS UNITE! WE RIDE OUT TO GET THOSE GESTAPO BASTARDS!

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkH5Ak4wAnY[/YOUTUBE]
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: TheHunted0 on October 14, 2014, 08:20:40 am
We should Bush Pirate Vincenzo's reenactment events.
Hahah lol
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Kore on October 14, 2014, 08:43:40 am
let's get this to a 100 pages so it gets locked
+1

Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Furrnox on October 14, 2014, 09:18:07 am
If nothing changes in the next few days then I'm tempted to start my own little retarded "revolution".
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vaska on October 14, 2014, 09:22:49 am
Idk if half these comments are serious or not, but most of the threads out there are just...spam and I know I used to be like that to, but time to grow up guys. There was once a time when a thread held something meaningful like relevant to the game, regiment and event, now it's all this stupid 420 shit. Fuck the haters, I support the FSE teams decision on capping the thread, maybe now people will post meaningful things instead of 420 youtube videos
I agree with you. Instead of an unnecessary shit ("ok" "no" "lol" and not only these), we should only post messages which are closely connected to the topic and the game.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vincenzo on October 14, 2014, 11:27:55 am
The change was done for performance reasons.

I can assure you the box the webserver is running on is one of the fastest in the market, however a many page topic, is straining it at lot, let me explain why.


Whenever a person opens a topic, the database is asked to locate all posts in the posts table (millions) that are with topicID x.
After It fetched these details and stored in memory, you can imagine if you have 100+ pages, think about 500 pages, then there are thousands of posts fetched and stored in memory.
When it has gathered this information it is going to filter this data according to what page you are watching... then send this information to your computer.

The sad truth is that whenever you open a big page topic, reply to it, whatever, every page load is bumping the MySQL database process to 100% CPU for a good second.. mind you that is on a latest Intel Xenon CPU..

Topics with 100 pages, are in my opinion a good limit, they take significantly less CPU load..

Except CPU, the memory usage will be less and overall the site will perform faster..


The problems with remaking your topic were unintended, please send a message to a moderator or me to send you your topic start post contents.


I understand not everyone loves this change, but believe me, it is for the better to keep everything running smooth.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: MaHuD on October 14, 2014, 11:40:23 am
They locked all the threads so now people can't even copy and paste their BB codes to make a new one.

Honestly what the actual fuck? Taleworlds has LOADS more 100+ page threads than FSE will ever have, they use the same software, are you to tell me FSE's servers are just that shitty?

There's an ulterior motive here, God knows what.
Taleworlds also has policies against large threads, however not all forum boards seem to be affected by this. (Regimental topics, mods etc.)
In the past some bigger topics have simply been removed to lessen the issue that Vince brings up above this post.
You can also see this in the off-topic section at taleworlds where popular threads are marked with numbers, which indicates the amount of times it has been re-made for this purpose...

I suppose you can always ask a moderator to splitt your topic so that it keeps it's  OP and simply update it with a roman number like '1st Regiment of Foot [ II topic ]'
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Furrnox on October 14, 2014, 11:41:40 am
Yeah but I'm pretty sure Taleworlds caps it to 1000 pages.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: MaHuD on October 14, 2014, 11:43:57 am
Yeah but I'm pretty sure Taleworlds caps it to 1000 pages.
Some threads have been capped at a 1000 and some are capped way earlier.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 14, 2014, 12:39:47 pm
THANKS IM GOING TO PREPARE 100 DIFFERENT OP LAYOUTS FOR MY REG NOW BBRB GUYS
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 14, 2014, 01:05:32 pm
Wait I don't understand. Surely having 2 threads of 100 pages each is just as bad as having a 200 page thread. Why not just remove unused threads instead? If they both get opened at the same time that is*
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vincenzo on October 14, 2014, 01:09:53 pm
Old topics that get locked get visited less often. as such they will take less performance.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 14, 2014, 01:41:54 pm
But surely if you removed them it would further increase performance, that's what you're trying to achieve.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: InfamousBeats on October 14, 2014, 01:42:11 pm
But does it take more performance if 20 people visit page 30, compared to 20 people visiting page 320?
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Riddlez on October 14, 2014, 01:54:26 pm
This should teach a few lessons to the community:

1) Don't spam the fuck out of regimental threads to get on that 1st page.
2) Back-up your threads.

Am I the only one who welcomes this?
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 02:00:37 pm
Okay, so considering the reason that this was done is to stop people from complaining about lag and everyone is saying that they're not experiencing lag and have actually voted for this to be removed because of the no lag, can I have a double cheese burger?
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: The Nutty Pig on October 14, 2014, 02:06:36 pm
If everyone stopped spamming threads with retarded shit no regiments would have a 100 page threads. I think this is a good move, it just stops forum spam.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 14, 2014, 02:15:12 pm
If everyone stopped spamming threads with retarded shit no regiments would have a 100 page threads. I think this is a good move, it just stops forum spam.

teh irony
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 02:17:26 pm
If everyone stopped spamming threads with retarded shit no regiments would have a 100 page threads. I think this is a good move, it just stops forum spam.

In what world is this stopping forum spam? Once a thread gets to 100 pages, another gets made and the spam continues... Even more than before actually, as the thread gets 50 "good luck" messages.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Locust on October 14, 2014, 02:20:31 pm
This should teach a few lessons to the community:

1) Don't spam the fuck out of regimental threads to get on that 1st page.
2) Back-up your threads.

Am I the only one who welcomes this?
Probably
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: The Nutty Pig on October 14, 2014, 02:22:06 pm
If you all stopped being retarded, the mods would not have to make decisions like this.
This should teach a few lessons to the community:

1) Don't spam the fuck out of regimental threads to get on that 1st page.
2) Back-up your threads.

Am I the only one who welcomes this?
And you are not the only one.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 02:23:17 pm
You're the one who is watched, Nutty.  ::)
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: The Nutty Pig on October 14, 2014, 02:24:40 pm
You're the one who is watched, Nutty.  ::)
Because I am dope, and I do dope shit.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vincenzo on October 14, 2014, 02:39:46 pm
But does it take more performance if 20 people visit page 30, compared to 20 people visiting page 320?

If the topic is 400 pages long, no.  if the topic is 100 pages long it is overall faster, whatever page you visit.  If the topic is 1000 pages it is slower, regardless of what page you open.


But surely if you removed them it would further increase performance, that's what you're trying to achieve.
Nope, topics only take performance if they are visited.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 14, 2014, 02:47:07 pm
So what's going to happen to all the other 100+ threads elsewhere. Not just on the regiments section?
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 14, 2014, 02:54:25 pm
So what's going to happen to all the other 100+ threads elsewhere. Not just on the regiments section?

Thanks to the voodoo magic of the forums those threads do not make the website slower.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vincenzo on October 14, 2014, 03:01:51 pm
active topics Should probably follow the same procedure.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 14, 2014, 03:07:44 pm
Well are they going to? I thought this was your forum  ;D
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vincenzo on October 14, 2014, 03:12:28 pm
yap :D
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 03:13:30 pm
FSE voodoo magic
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vincenzo on October 14, 2014, 03:19:24 pm
FSE voodoo magic

Pony magic!
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Pickett Pie on October 14, 2014, 03:20:38 pm
Because I am dope, and I do dope shit.
I'm sorry to get off-topic, but this mixed with the waddles pic. My sides.

On Topic: My two cents on the matter (which are worthless): Everyone's' jimmies are getting rustled at something they shouldn't be. We should stop trying to blame people / groups of people and stop being buttholes to one-another. Instead We should focus on trying to make the best of what we have.

But I mean that's just me :b

Pony magic!
#thebestkindamagic
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Michael Sparks on October 14, 2014, 03:21:39 pm
How about we be a smart cookie, and remove grandma's laptop from the hosting equation. stop spending donations on shit and get a decent server box?

#MuhFeels

#DontMuteMeForVoicingMyOpinion
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 03:23:07 pm
How about we be a smart cookie, and remove grandma's laptop from the hosting equation. stop spending donations on shit and get a decent server box?

#MuhFeels

#DontMuteMeForVoicingMyOpinion

i am not quoting this
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vincenzo on October 14, 2014, 03:23:47 pm
#DoesNotReadPreviousRepliesSuggestsBullshitAndHasAnNicknameWithPoo
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Locust on October 14, 2014, 03:24:23 pm
How about we be a smart cookie, and remove grandma's laptop from the hosting equation. stop spending donations on shit and get a decent server box?

#MuhFeels

#DontMuteMeForVoicingMyOpinion

i am not quoting this
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Michael Sparks on October 14, 2014, 03:24:57 pm
#DoesNotReadPreviousRepliesSuggestsBullshitAndHasAnNicknameWithPoo

thanks for my new sig
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 14, 2014, 03:58:47 pm
#DoesNotReadPreviousRepliesSuggestsBullshitAndHasAnNicknameWithPoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0xHMM-VhDg&spfreload
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 14, 2014, 04:04:36 pm
this is what happens when the community did not come to help the 60th when we were being oppressed

we could've stopped this

now you face the thredocaust

your threads will be locked and your history destroyed, the battle of the pages has been lost
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 04:06:05 pm
FSE voodoo magic

Pony magic!

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Riddlez on October 14, 2014, 04:13:13 pm
this is what happens when the community did not come to help the 60th when we were being oppressed

we could've stopped this

now you face the thredocaust

your threads will be locked and your history destroyed, the battle of the pages has been lost

Nobody cares.
Piss off.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 04:14:11 pm
this is what happens when the community did not come to help the 60th when we were being oppressed

we could've stopped this

now you face the thredocaust

your threads will be locked and your history destroyed, the battle of the pages has been lost

Everybody cares.
Piss on
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 14, 2014, 05:10:26 pm

this is what happens when the community did not come to help the 60th when we were being oppressed

we could've stopped this

now you face the thredocaust

your threads will be locked and your history destroyed, the battle of the pages has been lost

Nobody cares.
Piss off.

because you definetly know everyones thoughts

If you dont care, why post?
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: EdwardC on October 14, 2014, 05:13:35 pm
Hardship will bring fse together, naw just kidding. This whole thing is a mess and am just reading these pages on my phone. I got nothing to say as usual.

#hopethisgetsresolvedsoon
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 14, 2014, 05:58:50 pm
this is what happens when the community did not come to help the 60th when we were being oppressed

we could've stopped this

now you face the thredocaust

your threads will be locked and your history destroyed, the battle of the pages has been lost

Nobody cares.
Piss off.

>Says no one cars
>62 people voted no
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Walko on October 14, 2014, 06:09:33 pm
Why don't we delete the 1000 pages of circle jerk on the how famous is te person above you thread?

Or delete the roughly 50 pages of disbanded regiments.

Also It's pretty ridiculous that I have to even ask for my bb code.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Betaknight on October 14, 2014, 06:10:47 pm
I car.

Really, the forum's a mess. It's like a child daycare. I know. Cause I'm in this forum as a toddler, just like ya'll. I use the forums to read funny comments and random derailed threads (aka regimental threads) aswell look at the off-topic threads from time to time. In either case, 100 pages cap is ok by me. Just that it ruins a bit the ability to have a friendly discussion on your regimental thread. Then again some use their regimental website forum to talk there. But I find it too plain. So I come here.

In either case, it's my opinion. Bash on.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Walko on October 14, 2014, 06:14:07 pm
It's fucking ridiculous. My thread is at page 36 right now. The thread isn't spam, it's just well bumped. At this rate I will have to create a new thread every month and a half or so.

Ok.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 06:14:20 pm
In response to Walko:

The change was done for performance reasons.

I can assure you the box the webserver is running on is one of the fastest in the market, however a many page topic, is straining it at lot, let me explain why.


Whenever a person opens a topic, the database is asked to locate all posts in the posts table (millions) that are with topicID x.
After It fetched these details and stored in memory, you can imagine if you have 100+ pages, think about 500 pages, then there are thousands of posts fetched and stored in memory.
When it has gathered this information it is going to filter this data according to what page you are watching... then send this information to your computer.

The sad truth is that whenever you open a big page topic, reply to it, whatever, every page load is bumping the MySQL database process to 100% CPU for a good second.. mind you that is on a latest Intel Xenon CPU..

Topics with 100 pages, are in my opinion a good limit, they take significantly less CPU load..

Except CPU, the memory usage will be less and overall the site will perform faster..


The problems with remaking your topic were unintended, please send a message to a moderator or me to send you your topic start post contents.


I understand not everyone loves this change, but believe me, it is for the better to keep everything running smooth.

Deleting old locked threads wouldn't make any difference because they don't get any traffic and thus, don't have to load multiple times a day.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Walko on October 14, 2014, 06:23:30 pm
Either way. Even if the decision is just, the way FSE has been impliment ing their decisions is pants on head retarded.

Every decision they make they do without warning, and get everyone rilled the fuck up about it, and then have to deal with calming people down.

How about...

In the future you explain what you are doing ahead of time so people have appropriate time to deal with the change in policy (ie we can copy our fucking bb code before you lock our threads)

And then you can explain to people WHY this is happening. If There had been that post explaining before the locks, I'm sure it would have been fine.

Communicate with the people that keep your game alive god damn it.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Furrnox on October 14, 2014, 06:44:13 pm
This is going to be a pain for Killington.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Riddlez on October 14, 2014, 06:47:56 pm
But hey, look on the bright side of it: FSE just recreated hundreds of new jobs in the thread-making department.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Walko on October 14, 2014, 06:49:04 pm
Either way. Even if the decision is just, the way FSE has been impliment ing their decisions is pants on head retarded.

Every decision they make they do without warning, and get everyone rilled the fuck up about it, and then have to deal with calming people down.

How about...

In the future you explain what you are doing ahead of time so people have appropriate time to deal with the change in policy (ie we can copy our fucking bb code before you lock our threads)

And then you can explain to people WHY this is happening. If There had been that post explaining before the locks, I'm sure it would have been fine.

Communicate with the people that keep your game alive god damn it.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 14, 2014, 06:49:42 pm
Yes Walko, we read it the first time.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Gizmo on October 14, 2014, 06:49:45 pm
Riddlez why do you even care, you haven't been in a regiment in months, maybe years. You just go around and spread your "knowledge" on off topic threads.

Oh and nobody cares, piss off. :-*
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Riddlez on October 14, 2014, 06:51:54 pm
Riddlez why do you even care, you haven't been in a regiment in months, maybe years. You just go around and spread your "knowledge" on off topic threads.

Oh and nobody cares, piss off. :-*

I regularly look throught the regimental threads, and please, half a year, is not that bad, this community is more conservative than the United Kingdom, so it's still the same.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Walko on October 14, 2014, 06:53:33 pm
Yes Walko, we read it the first time.

It was going to get buried. And I would like for people to see and get others opinions, because I think at least a decent amount of people would agree with the failures of FSE's new policy making strategy.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Turin Turambar on October 14, 2014, 07:11:23 pm
It feels to me you take away a lot of the history of a regiment. Also, in all honesty, this wasn't very thought through, since it is impossible (for as far as I know, tell me if I'm wrong :P) to quote, modify your posts on a locked page, meaning I can't copy paste the thread I spent forever to make.

Our Regiment exists since Mount&Musket and the thread never had more than 5 pages. We still have a great history.
Title: Re: All threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: USE4life on October 14, 2014, 07:16:14 pm
It feels to me you take away a lot of the history of a regiment. Also, in all honesty, this wasn't very thought through, since it is impossible (for as far as I know, tell me if I'm wrong :P) to quote, modify your posts on a locked page, meaning I can't copy paste the thread I spent forever to make.

Our Regiment exists since Mount&Musket and the thread never had more than 5 pages. We still have a great history.

History of being bad at Cav maybe!

Spoiler
Fuck off Tiki
[close]
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 14, 2014, 07:19:20 pm

Either way. Even if the decision is just, the way FSE has been impliment ing their decisions is pants on head retarded.

Every decision they make they do without warning, and get everyone rilled the fuck up about it, and then have to deal with calming people down.

How about...

In the future you explain what you are doing ahead of time so people have appropriate time to deal with the change in policy (ie we can copy our fucking bb code before you lock our threads)

And then you can explain to people WHY this is happening. If There had been that post explaining before the locks, I'm sure it would have been fine.

Communicate with the people that keep your game alive god damn it.

meh, as if they ever gave a shit

its not even worth the time, if you want your voice heard you came to the wrong place

i cant remember the last time fse changed anything due to popular demand
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Fungus on October 14, 2014, 07:27:31 pm
Spoiler

Either way. Even if the decision is just, the way FSE has been impliment ing their decisions is pants on head retarded.

Every decision they make they do without warning, and get everyone rilled the fuck up about it, and then have to deal with calming people down.

How about...

In the future you explain what you are doing ahead of time so people have appropriate time to deal with the change in policy (ie we can copy our fucking bb code before you lock our threads)

And then you can explain to people WHY this is happening. If There had been that post explaining before the locks, I'm sure it would have been fine.

Communicate with the people that keep your game alive god damn it.

meh, as if they ever gave a shit

its not even worth the time, if you want your voice heard you came to the wrong place

i cant remember the last time fse changed anything due to popular demand
[close]

Oh oh oh, I know this one
erm
errrmrmrmrmrm
oh
they allowed us to have name changes!!
Did I win, do i getz a prize??
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 14, 2014, 07:28:58 pm
i dont think we asked for that one tho

so no fakin candy u cheeky bugger
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Fungus on October 14, 2014, 07:29:57 pm
i dont think we asked for that one tho

so no fakin candy u cheeky bugger
You have no idea what awful pain you have caused me this day ._______________________.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Wastee on October 14, 2014, 07:37:25 pm
Idk if half these comments are serious or not, but most of the threads out there are just...spam and I know I used to be like that to, but time to grow up guys. There was once a time when a thread held something meaningful like relevant to the game, regiment and event, now it's all this stupid 420 shit. Fuck the haters, I support the FSE teams decision on capping the thread, maybe now people will post meaningful things instead of 420 youtube videos
but I like watching 420 videos
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: EdwardC on October 14, 2014, 10:21:15 pm
Fans and other people should be allowed to give the regiments they like friendly bumps.
These people aren't loitering...
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on October 15, 2014, 12:31:36 am
Only formal posts due to capping to a hundred pages -> Less banter/drama -> Precious mods don't need to intervene

Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Saga on October 15, 2014, 05:30:09 am
How about heading back to what works. That is taleworlds. We know that Bannerlord will likely succeed due to its predecessor Warband. But Battlecry is just a shot in the dark. We know we have problems here and it makes sense to move back. After all this is a mod for Warband. If anything we can wait and see if an NW mod comes out for Bannerlord and then we won't have to deal with the American Civil War crap. Two birds one stone.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 15, 2014, 05:33:55 am
^

I've noticed that the majority of the EU community isn't too interested in the American Civil War. As well as some NA regiments that would rather keep their regimental identity that is set in the Napoleonic Wars instead of starting over with a new name and time period. (Not all regiments like/play the North and South mod)
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 15, 2014, 07:13:26 am
^

I've noticed that the majority of the EU community isn't too interested in the American Civil War. As well as some NA regiments that would rather keep their regimental identity that is set in the Napoleonic Wars instead of starting over with a new name and time period. (Not all regiments like/play the North and South mod)

When NaS was released it was all EU servers and players so I doubt they are not interested in the ACW
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Hammerstout on October 15, 2014, 07:20:42 am
I could not be happier about moving on to the ACW. 3 years of the same fucking period I can safely say I never want to touch NW once BCoF and WoR come out.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: TheHunted0 on October 15, 2014, 08:46:38 am
^

I've noticed that the majority of the EU community isn't too interested in the American Civil War. As well as some NA regiments that would rather keep their regimental identity that is set in the Napoleonic Wars instead of starting over with a new name and time period. (Not all regiments like/play the North and South mod)
I think he is sort of right, although I prefere NW I still like to play North and South
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 15, 2014, 10:20:49 am
^

I've noticed that the majority of the EU community isn't too interested in the American Civil War. As well as some NA regiments that would rather keep their regimental identity that is set in the Napoleonic Wars instead of starting over with a new name and time period. (Not all regiments like/play the North and South mod)

When NaS was released it was all EU servers and players so I doubt they are not interested in the ACW

I, for one, am not interested but I don't speak for the entire European population
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: InfamousBeats on October 15, 2014, 02:33:24 pm
I agree, I simply, as an EU member, don't feel any connection to the American Civil War (I dont see a Belgium vs Holland independance war coming out any time soon (hint hint, ples make modders))
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: michaelroelant on October 15, 2014, 05:00:45 pm
Belgium vs Holland independance war

Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: usnavy30 on October 15, 2014, 05:05:59 pm
Belgium vs Holland independance war
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F610%2F825%2Feec.jpg&hash=257f5b2b720455e84921025d38f2ac09c42e53b1)
This idea belongs in the Mod Idea Collection thread. And added!
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Tyrionpk on October 15, 2014, 05:18:16 pm
Taleworlds.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Blobmania on October 15, 2014, 07:03:36 pm
I can't imagine the community would return to Taleworlds, but I could be wrong. The FSE/Taleworlds community are two very different crowds of people, and there's only a few users I know of that are active in both.

#ThreadGate
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: The Nutty Pig on October 15, 2014, 08:57:38 pm
If this community moved to taleworlds half of you would be banned within a week
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 15, 2014, 08:59:04 pm
If this community moved to taleworlds half of you would be banned within a week

Not really.

More like 5 people.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: MaHuD on October 15, 2014, 10:25:31 pm
That IS half of the community.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 15, 2014, 11:01:41 pm
That IS half of the community.

You're a Taleworld moderator  >:( You can't count!
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Riddlez on October 15, 2014, 11:16:32 pm
Practically you'd be banned, the TW members seem to think we're more retarded than an upside down bycicle with 7 wheels.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 15, 2014, 11:21:24 pm
Doesn't help that certain people form a fixation for certain animals, create a new account with the intent on writing in riddles to showcase their obviously towering intellect ( ::)) and then give up on the idea a mere few days later.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Riddlez on October 15, 2014, 11:26:23 pm
Doesn't help that certain people form a fixation for certain animals, create a new account with the intent on writing in riddles to showcase their obviously towering intellect ( ::)) and then give up on the idea a mere few days later.

Yes, fuck all the bronies.

Spoiler
Social experiment and I wanted to change my name.
And my intellect is indeed towering. Duh ::)
[close]

Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 16, 2014, 12:09:36 am
Doesn't help that certain people form a fixation for certain animals, create a new account with the intent on writing in riddles to showcase their obviously towering intellect ( ::)) and then give up on the idea a mere few days later.

Yes, fuck all the bronies.

Spoiler
Social experiment and I wanted to change my name.
And my intellect is indeed towering. Duh ::)
[close]

I think you'll find they prefer to be called "Pony Enthusiasts".
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 16, 2014, 12:21:35 am
Doesn't help that certain people form a fixation for certain animals, create a new account with the intent on writing in riddles to showcase their obviously towering intellect ( ::)) and then give up on the idea a mere few days later.

Yes, fuck all the bronies.

Spoiler
Social experiment and I wanted to change my name.
And my intellect is indeed towering. Duh ::)
[close]

I think you'll find they prefer to be called "Pony Enthusiasts".

Depends on the person, I don't mind either way. Anyway, thread is going off topic.

I feel that some people might go to taleworlds but they will probably be back in a week or so. As Walko was saying, the page cap seems fair enough but a brief warning period before the new cap was enforced would have been nice so we could save our thread's bb code instead of having to PM a moderator for it. It could have been a much smoother transition.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Vincenzo on October 16, 2014, 01:00:01 am
Yeah could have been smoother, but that problem was not anticipated.. Luckily we managed to solve it in the end...

Maybe you can use some poney magic to see the future next time!  :D
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Bear on October 16, 2014, 01:04:06 am
This community is already enough of a punishment.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Swerpious Maximous on October 16, 2014, 01:06:01 am
This community is already enough of a punishment.
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Jorvasker on October 16, 2014, 01:54:53 am
2muchbanter5me
Title: Re: All regiment threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: usnavy30 on October 16, 2014, 02:16:26 am
So is this the new banter bar then?
As for the pages deal oh shit if it happens to other threads..
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 17, 2014, 09:17:25 pm
Now the mess hall threads are being locked.  >:(
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Bear on October 17, 2014, 09:26:34 pm
RIP Forums
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 17, 2014, 09:32:30 pm
Can Vince or Olaf report on the results of the new policy so far? Have you seen an increase in performance and speed, like you were anticipating? If there has been one it's certainly not noticeable. Also, could you please explain exactly how merely locking threads improves performance? If they're still there, so are the issues. How can you hope to achieve anything if you don't go all the way and delete the threads? Have a spine, or don't attempt something like this. It's nonsensical, come on.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 17, 2014, 09:33:45 pm
they felt like the lock button wasnt used enough
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 17, 2014, 09:35:15 pm
So many good convos I've had on this forum have been lost due to deletion...
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Blobmania on October 17, 2014, 09:51:22 pm
They're still there... it's not like they're gone forever. You're more than welcome to read through them again if you feel like it.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 17, 2014, 10:21:44 pm
They're still there... it's not like they're gone forever. You're more than welcome to read through them again if you feel like it.

Blob, how does locking them increase forum performance?
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Blobmania on October 17, 2014, 10:30:13 pm
Because less people view them, duh.

Vince has posted this around the forum at least three times, and it's quoted in the OP of the thread explaining about the rule.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 17, 2014, 10:33:06 pm
Do you have any statistics or results so far to back this up? Has it been working? I'd imagine the results would be fairly immediate.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 17, 2014, 10:34:11 pm
Not to be that guy but...

Why can other forums with larger user bases keep all their threads that contain several hundred pages without bad performance, yet this one can't? I know you've explained why it is like that for this forum but this is the part i still don't understand.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Blobmania on October 17, 2014, 10:58:02 pm
You're asking the wrong guy, I don't have direct access to the servers. What Vince has told me about the rule fits with databases as I understand them, and I trust Vince. Stop whining over having to make new threads - it's literally a non-issue. Every one of your old posts are still right there on the forum, publicly viewable for the world to see. The only reason for this outcry is because you seem to have some sentimentality for threads which are literally identical to every other, aside from their ID number. It's honestly ridiculous.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 17, 2014, 10:59:38 pm
I'm just wondering if the changes are actually doing anything.

Well, are they?
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: USE4life on October 17, 2014, 11:15:38 pm
I'm just wondering if the changes are actually doing anything.

Well, are they?

*Generic stuff about old posts* *Stop whining* *Don't tell us mods what to do* *VinceVinceVinceVince* *Same repeated thing as before*

Hope that answered your question.

Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 17, 2014, 11:20:45 pm
I'm just wondering if the changes are actually doing anything.

Well, are they?

*Generic stuff about old posts* *Stop whining* *Don't tell us mods what to do* *VinceVinceVinceVince* *Same repeated thing as before*

Hope that answered your question.

Wow!  You had me at VinceVinceVinceVince
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Locust on October 18, 2014, 12:32:24 am
Good ol FSE Mods at their finest.
(https://i.imgur.com/WkWaqiB.png)
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Marceaux on October 18, 2014, 08:20:24 am
Good ol FSE Mods at their finest.
(https://i.imgur.com/WkWaqiB.png)

+1
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Commissar Jdf on October 18, 2014, 05:55:17 pm
Wow. I feel really oppressed by the totalitarian regime  :-\. It looks like now all my rights are being stripped, I have no more 1st world privileges, and soon I'll have to disband my regiment and leave the country. Wow FSE mods wow  :'(. You ruined everything good in my life.

^sadly how I perceive most of you fellers
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: William on October 18, 2014, 10:37:12 pm
I made this beautiful signature to reflect my views on the matter of all those beautiful threads locked and thrown into the abyss.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: SeanBeansShako on October 18, 2014, 11:03:58 pm
I am curious at what makes these threads so special, can I ask people to link the content of these threads that makes this whole thing controversial.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Walko on October 18, 2014, 11:08:06 pm
Good b8 m8.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: William on October 18, 2014, 11:16:12 pm
I am curious at what makes these threads so special, can I ask people to link the content of these threads that makes this whole thing controversial.
Would you like for your steam account to be deleted and for you start all over again? Exactly, that's how the threads are.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 18, 2014, 11:29:22 pm
I am curious at what makes these threads so special, can I ask people to link the content of these threads that makes this whole thing controversial.

My fingers are fucking muscle hamsters after hitting the reply button on the 60th thread a couple thousand times.

No pain no gain bruh.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 18, 2014, 11:52:44 pm
Every regiment should copy+paste every single post on their old regiment threads into the new one, one by one so that it has exactly the same number of posts and pages. Also make get every member who ever posted in the thread to do their own posts individually to recreate it as accurately as possible.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: EdwardC on October 19, 2014, 01:15:43 am
Good b8 m8.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: William on October 19, 2014, 01:33:44 am
Every regiment should copy+paste every single post on their old regiment threads into the new one, one by one so that it has exactly the same number of posts and pages. Also make get every member who ever posted in the thread to do their own posts individually to recreate it as accurately as possible.
Then we'd have to recreate the mutes, warnings, snips, etc etc. 2complicated4me
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: SeanBeansShako on October 19, 2014, 04:01:51 am
I am curious at what makes these threads so special, can I ask people to link the content of these threads that makes this whole thing controversial.
Would you like for your steam account to be deleted and for you start all over again? Exactly, that's how the threads are.

That is just a really weird and bad example, especially since with a STEAM account people sort of actually spend money and enjoy themselves.

Whilst here now people seem to have developed a weird fucked up stockhold syndrome situation with the DLC, the community and these forums.

A thread on a message board is sometimes just a thread on a message board. Just like a gaming clan is just a gaming clan.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: William on October 19, 2014, 06:01:45 am
I am curious at what makes these threads so special, can I ask people to link the content of these threads that makes this whole thing controversial.
Would you like for your steam account to be deleted and for you start all over again? Exactly, that's how the threads are.

That is just a really weird and bad example, especially since with a STEAM account people sort of actually spend money and enjoy themselves.

Whilst here now people seem to have developed a weird fucked up stockhold syndrome situation with the DLC, the community and these forums.

A thread on a message board is sometimes just a thread on a message board. Just like a gaming clan is just a gaming clan.

Have you ever had something that evoked a memory from you? For example, going through photos whether it be IRL or from games and going "oh man, those were some great times, I sure do wish I could go back to those days". That's how these threads are, they allow people to really sort of go back in time to see how these forums were so long ago. I myself know, seeing as that I'm semi-liked among the community, like to go back to the older threads and go through the older posts and reminiscence of the posts and how humor was so different back then was in addition to seeing the older faces that no longer browse these forums for whatever the reason be.

"Whilst here now people seem to have developed a weird fucked up stockhold syndrome situation with the DLC, the community and these forums. "
First of all, it's Stockholm Syndrome, second, I don't recall FSE being, as Wikipedia states, "captors". This is a community forum where people come to communicate through whatever means we like, whether it be through pictures, discussion, small chat, jokes, etc. Sure, people may have been banned or are no longer present here due to bans, but to call FSE captors? No wonder you were the worst mod, because you thought you were the gestapo. You're supposed to just lend a helping hand to a situation, not shoot the crowd. Anyways, ranting aside, you may see them as just virtual boards being taken down but in reality, there is a lot more then what meets the eye with the forums, no matter what it be and a lot of people recognize that. It's for this reason, that people are resenting this and seeing no point of their threads that they spent hours reading and writing being taken down in an instant and just thrown away. However, I'm sure this doesn't affect you as you've never been in any sort of community where this would affect you.

Sincerely, The Unneeded Defender of FSE
William
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Butts on October 19, 2014, 06:08:22 am
Write me an essay
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: SeanBeansShako on October 19, 2014, 06:11:51 am
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Have you ever had something that evoked a memory from you? For example, going through photos whether it be IRL or from games and going "oh man, those were some great times, I sure do wish I could go back to those days". That's how these threads are, they allow people to really sort of go back in time to see how these forums were so long ago. I myself know, seeing as that I'm semi-liked among the community, like to go back to the older threads and go through the older posts and reminiscence of the posts and how humor was so different back then was in addition to seeing the older faces that no longer browse these forums for whatever the reason be.

You can sort of have this back, you guys just not to stop being mad at video games and video game people. You all get way too much involved over clans/forum threads/games.

I myself just cannot see the whole big deal behind this, and the fact that it seems every single time the FSE crowd do something in these forums they can't seem to get anything right.

Since they split the event section up, have you considered requesting to split the EU/NA regiment section up so the need to constantly 'bump' the thread?

I also suggest reading the EULA if these changes really rile you up, I'm pretty sure what they do around here is pretty much all by the book and you all agreed to it when registering to these forums. Vince and the other FSE staff have posted deep down technical stuff that explains why they need to do it to.

And finally, I rarely see gaming forum threads these days with like 300-400 pages guys. A lot of the stuff you post can easily be transfered over to a Reddit or something.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 19, 2014, 06:20:42 am
We tried to make a subreddit. No one contributed.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Commissar Jdf on October 19, 2014, 06:26:39 am
We tried to make a subreddit. No one contributed.

Subreddits have to be interesting.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: William on October 19, 2014, 06:29:25 am
You can sort of have this back, you guys just not to stop being mad at video games and video game people. You all get way too much involved over clans/forum threads/games.
Judging by the fact we're on a forum in order to be more involved with our regiments, there is reason to be over involved and into our threads.
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I myself just cannot see the whole big deal behind this, and the fact that it seems every single time the FSE crowd do something in these forums they can't seem to get anything right.
Usually because of the fact that whenever FSE decides to do anything regarding the community it comes out of the middle of no where. We never get any word of anything so whenever we get nailed in the side by FSE no one expects it and people are thrown off by a sudden change. That's just basic human psychology, to resist change if you yourself have no idea of it.
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Since they split the event section up, have you considered requesting to split the EU/NA regiment section up so the need to constantly 'bump' the thread?
You really need to proofread. Anyways, that was a community suggestion for over two years and was only recently integrated after FSE added in the new moderators and let them help bring more community focused ideas.
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I also suggest reading the EULA if these changes really rile you up, I'm pretty sure what they do around here is pretty much all by the book and you all agreed to it when registering to these forums. Vince and the other FSE staff have posted deep down technical stuff that explains why they need to do it to.
"Deep down technical stuff" that contradicts in many ways. Judging by the fact that we're supposed to use spoilers with anything to help improve "performace" and then suddenly changing to "we're going to be taking down these forums for performance reasons even though our big bros at TW's use the same stuff and aren't having any problems"
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And finally, I rarely see gaming forum threads these days with like 300-400 pages guys. A lot of the stuff you post can easily be transfered over to a Reddit or something.
Because someone is actually going to set aside time to make a subreddit, okay, seems legit.
I'm pretty sure that I could find many instances of where forums have massive threads but I'm not going to commit more time to this by digging into the internet to find useless data, anyways, many of the regiments that have been here for around a year plus have well over 200 pages and it's nice for the leader to see that "hey, it sure has come a long way". I for one, thought it was prestigious for a regiment to have a big thread with a lot of views so new people could come in and say "oh wow, look at the views on that thread, they must be renowned and well know, let me read their thread" or something along those lines.

Anyways, I've spent enough time practicing argumentation for my AP exam.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 19, 2014, 06:30:47 am
I've stopped listening to Nurdbot. He's little more than a sniveling sycophant.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Commissar Jdf on October 19, 2014, 06:32:30 am
I've never understood the whole "rage about FSE" and not leave sort of thing. Why doesn't someone just go make their own forum? You can literally get a template if you don't know html or css and rent a domain...
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: SeanBeansShako on October 19, 2014, 06:34:41 am
I've stopped listening to Nurdbot. He's little more than a sniveling sycophant.

No, I'm a grown adult trying to reason with people who refuse to see common sense and calm down. Clearly, it isn't working.

And I am done for good.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 19, 2014, 06:36:33 am
I've stopped listening to Nurdbot. He's little more than a sniveling sycophant.

sycophant your new favorite word? ;)
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 19, 2014, 06:38:16 am
You really think because we don't agree with these choices that we're automatically juvinile? We just want a freakin' voice damn it, to hell with the EULA. These forums belong to us, not a bunch of people who're disconnected from the community entirely.

I've said time and time again we need a new forum, but the last time I tried to garner support McEwan decided to lock my thread. So riddle me this Sean, how the fuck are we childish when whatever we say feels useless?

I've stopped listening to Nurdbot. He's little more than a sniveling sycophant.

sycophant your new favorite word? ;)

In the Political thread I typed "psychopath" and it auto-corrected to sycophant. Here I mean it.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 19, 2014, 06:41:31 am
We should make a FSE board on 8chan. That would be something to see, kek.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 19, 2014, 06:43:08 am
Made a thread in off topic, voice your opinion there.

Let's hope this one lasts longer than a day before it gets hit by a tactical admin strike.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Locust on October 19, 2014, 06:45:16 am
Calm down everyone.  Soon enough Bannerlord will be here. Then we can migrate to Taleworlds.

I for one don't understand why FSE gets their own customers to hate them. They again and again make unpopular changes and don't seem to care what we think. FSE seems to be one of the most backward companies I have ever seen.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 19, 2014, 08:40:22 am
Is BCOF even a game or just a hoax? Lol.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 19, 2014, 01:36:22 pm
I've stopped listening to Nurdbot. He's little more than a sniveling sycophant.

No, I'm a grown adult trying to reason with people who refuse to see common sense and calm down. Clearly, it isn't working.

And I am done for good.

That's got to be the joke of the year. People who always try to claim they are something are usually the ones most distant from the truth.

And i hope you are done for good. cya l8r m8tr

Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Blobmania on October 19, 2014, 02:40:51 pm
As I've said over and over again, we haven't removed anything. All of your old posts are still there to view, if you want to. You can still reminisce over how the forums "used to be".

@Locust - Of course we care what the community thinks, but that doesn't mean we have to let them dictate our rules or policy. If we put it up to a vote (as the poll on this thread did) then the community would likely have voted not to implement the 100 page cap, and forum performance would have suffered as a result. The forums are hosted as FSE's expense, and that means they have to implement those rules as they feel are necessary in order to keep them working. As many people have said, you're more than welcome to fork out for a server yourselves and host a community forum of your own. We're not stopping you.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 19, 2014, 03:01:52 pm
Perhaps you should implement some popup ads for extra revenue?
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: William on October 19, 2014, 04:50:53 pm
Perhaps you should implement some popup ads for extra revenue?
Maybe start leasing teamspeak and warband servers for regiments to purchase. Easy money
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Walko on October 19, 2014, 05:07:25 pm
Nurdbot's opinion is always litterally the opposite of everyone else's. How is that even possible.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Commissar Jdf on October 19, 2014, 06:20:20 pm
If anyone wants, I can give you links for anything you need. HTML, CSS, box, and a domain name. But reaaaaaally anyone who wants to do this will have to find a set of balls first. I don't feel anyone will ever do this.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 19, 2014, 06:26:13 pm
If anyone wants, I can give you links for anything you need. HTML, CSS, box, and a domain name. But reaaaaaally anyone who wants to do this will have to find a set of balls first. I don't feel anyone will ever do this.

I have a huge pair of balls.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Commissar Jdf on October 19, 2014, 06:26:58 pm
If anyone wants, I can give you links for anything you need. HTML, CSS, box, and a domain name. But reaaaaaally anyone who wants to do this will have to find a set of balls first. I don't feel anyone will ever do this.

I have a huge pair of balls.

Gotta have the other stuff too. It isn't that expensive. :)

My overlying point is: All it takes is one person to do it, and if people think it's smart, they'll come along.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Bear on October 19, 2014, 08:57:10 pm
If anyone wants, I can give you links for anything you need. HTML, CSS, box, and a domain name. But reaaaaaally anyone who wants to do this will have to find a set of balls first. I don't feel anyone will ever do this.

I have a huge pair of balls.
I know ;)
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Marceaux on October 19, 2014, 10:19:31 pm
Did my FSE donation go to Tavington?
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Riddlez on October 19, 2014, 10:22:18 pm
So riddle me this Sean,

I like your choice of words.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Olafson on October 19, 2014, 10:56:24 pm
Ok, so here is the deal. If you donate us 1440 Euro each year, we can host the server on a new, faster and independent box and we can put the regiment thread cap back to what it used to be.
Just talk to us via PM, Steam, Facebook, before you donate. We need to know that you want the money to be spend on a new Server box.

Thank you!
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 19, 2014, 11:23:54 pm
Funny how all the new threads people created to shout at FSE about #muhpages probably take their toll on the server as well.
Solution? Delete every single regimental thread, and tell them that, once they reach 100 pages on their new ones, it's curtains for the poor bastards.
Then take out a banhammer and some machineguns and force us back into submission

EDIT: Didn't read his comment, how stupid of me

Ok, so here is the deal. If you donate us 1440 Euro each year, we can host the server on a new, faster and independent box and we can put the regiment thread cap back to what it used to be.
Just talk to us via PM, Steam, Facebook, before you donate. We need to know that you want the money to be spend on a new Server box.

Thank you!
HashtagRekt
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Windflower on October 19, 2014, 11:43:16 pm
Ok, so here is the deal. If you donate us 1440 Euro each year, we can host the server on a new, faster and independent box and we can put the regiment thread cap back to what it used to be.
Just talk to us via PM, Steam, Facebook, before you donate. We need to know that you want the money to be spend on a new Server box.

Thank you!
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2Fsupa-hot-fire.gif&hash=eb96463da476a74fcfc1a4aec2d07e4c21f3df8f)
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 20, 2014, 12:00:50 am
Ok, so here is the deal. If you donate us 1440 Euro each year, we can host the server on a new, faster and independent box and we can put the regiment thread cap back to what it used to be.
Just talk to us via PM, Steam, Facebook, before you donate. We need to know that you want the money to be spend on a new Server box.

Thank you!

Yeah, why not introduce a membership fee for the forums! That'll be sure to make everyone happy, right? No? Oh.

Instead of making a joke out of something that a lot of people in the community care about, might you attempt to be a little less arrogant and propose a solution that people could see as genuinely reasonable? Sure, if people refuse to donate you're in the position to say "Oh, I guess they're rejecting our offers to help them! What can we do now, we've exhausted all our options with this silly community". But is that really fair? Whether you're joking or not, you're making a mockery of the fact that we'd merely like the forum to be functional in the same way as every other forum out there.

I don't really think it's unreasonable to protest measures taken that are largely unnecessary and disruptive to the way of life of the community, rather than fixing anything. Surely there is a better alternative. Proposing that we donate to have you guys take any action at all feels more like a slap in the face than an acceptable solution.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Blobmania on October 20, 2014, 12:19:39 am
I'm honestly a little lost for words that you think his post is arrogant, especially given that FSE are currently hosting the forums for the community free of charge. While I'm not saying users should have to pay to use the forums, I think it is unbelievably arrogant to demand that FSE spend more money to benefit users who refuse to put up the money themselves. Olaf was simply making the point that FSE can't afford to fork out another ~€1500/year on the forums and highlighting the fact that while you're all very happy to complain about the issue, not a single one of you is actually willing to help do anything about it.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 20, 2014, 12:37:23 am
Nobody was ever demanding that FSE spend more of their own money to keep the forum running. The main confusion here is why FSE is having so many problems with the servers when hundreds, if not thousands of other forums are having a fine time, and there are countless threads on those forums with far more many replies than would be deemed acceptable here. On top of this, we haven't really seen any concrete evidence backing up the claim that capping threads at 100 pages does anything. Maybe you've noticed a difference in your own data, but so far I've noticed no improvement at all in speed or performance. Will it just take a while to start working? Maybe, but that seems somewhat unlikely. You're preaching for a strategy that has not yielded any significant results as of yet, and then treating us as the silly ones when we protest the actions you've taken.

This is why it feels arrogant for you to make a joke out of our qualms. You can't afford to pay for better server boxes, fine, but really, capping threads at 100 pages was the best solution you could think of? Yes, the community hasn't presented many other viable alternatives, but that doesn't excuse your own failures. Sorry, but it's not our responsibility to think of ways to keep the forum running. You could also say that nobody is forcing us to be here, and so we have no right to complain about this kind of thing. Well, that's true. We could all just leave. Talk all you want about how you don't need us arguing all over your forums, but the community does make the game. If these forums are meant to be for advertising BCOF, doesn't it help a lot to have an active community promoting and discussing the game? You can't just disregard your fanbase so blatantly and act as if you don't need us at all. It helps to have a little humility towards your target demographic. You know, because we're going to be the ones buying and supporting your game.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on October 20, 2014, 01:03:41 am
I get the feeling that this has grown into something much larger than just the capping to a hundred pages x).
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 20, 2014, 01:16:46 am
I get the feeling that this has grown into something much larger than just the capping to a hundred pages x).
Many of the old forumites had their ass metaphorically fractured by the 100 page cap.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: FrithBiscuit on October 20, 2014, 01:28:45 am
Fractured arse?
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 20, 2014, 01:37:39 am
Fractured arse? ---> Butthurt
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: The Rebel on October 20, 2014, 01:49:50 am
Fractured arse?
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Olafson on October 20, 2014, 11:16:28 am
We are running BCOF test, NW Servers, BCOF development stuff and the Forums on the same machine.
We can not afford to have constant spikes, which you will not notice when visiting the forums,because they are just that, very short spikes, but we do notice when testing BCOF.

Capping the pages to 100 prevents most of these CPU spikes. Unless you donate us 1440 euro each year, so we can host the forums on a separate server, it will stay as it is. We do not have the money to pay for it on our own.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Windflower on October 20, 2014, 12:41:36 pm
It really isn't a big deal at all, I don't see how this is a problem what so ever.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 20, 2014, 12:42:31 pm
We are running BCOF test, NW Servers, BCOF development stuff and the Forums on the same machine.
We can not afford to have constant spikes, which you will not notice when visiting the forums,because they are just that, very short spikes, but we do notice when testing BCOF.

Capping the pages to 100 prevents most of these CPU spikes. Unless you donate us 1440 euro each year, so we can host the forums on a separate server, it will stay as it is. We do not have the money to pay for it on our own.

The answer everyone has been looking for....

Why did no one say this earlier? jesus could've spared lots of butthurt cream
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages #MuhPages
Post by: Marceaux on October 20, 2014, 08:19:01 pm
We are running BCOF test, NW Servers, BCOF development stuff and the Forums on the same machine.
We can not afford to have constant spikes, which you will not notice when visiting the forums,because they are just that, very short spikes, but we do notice when testing BCOF.

Capping the pages to 100 prevents most of these CPU spikes. Unless you donate us 1440 euro each year, so we can host the forums on a separate server, it will stay as it is. We do not have the money to pay for it on our own.

The answer everyone has been looking for....

Why did no one say this earlier? jesus could've spared lots of butthurt cream

What Sven said.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Blobmania on October 20, 2014, 08:35:51 pm
We could also have been spared that if the community had listened to us in the first place. The reasons for implementing the policy don't change their impact. If the community weren't so obsessed with the idea that we're trying to screw them over, this could have been avoided.

Believe it or not, we've got good reasons for doing what we do. It's rarely just a shot in the dark.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 20, 2014, 09:02:00 pm
Believe it or not, we've got good reasons for doing what we do. It's rarely just a shot in the dark.
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Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 20, 2014, 11:22:08 pm

We could also have been spared that if the community had listened to us in the first place. The reasons for implementing the policy don't change their impact. If the community weren't so obsessed with the idea that we're trying to screw them over, this could have been avoided.

Believe it or not, we've got good reasons for doing what we do. It's rarely just a shot in the dark.

Well nobody gave a logical answer that we can understand until Olaf did so.

If someone hits you and you ask why, and he said because you smell like cheese, it doesnt make sense so you assume that guy is some idiot.

Humans like logic in their life.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Riddlez on October 20, 2014, 11:24:21 pm
If the community weren't so obsessed with the idea that we're trying to screw them...

You have just uncovered th fantasies of the entire community. Do you have any idea what you just set in motion?
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: NickyJ on October 21, 2014, 01:30:58 am
We could also have been spared that if the community had listened to us in the first place. The reasons for implementing the policy don't change their impact. If the community weren't so obsessed with the idea that we're trying to screw them over, this could have been avoided.

Believe it or not, we've got good reasons for doing what we do. It's rarely just a shot in the dark.
When we listened to you, this is what you told us:

Quote from: Blobmania
Due to excessive strain on the forum servers, the FSE administration have unfortunately had to make a decision to cap all regiment threads at 100 pages. This thread will now be locked, please feel free to begin a new thread for your regiment.

Thanks for your co-operation,

Regards,

Blobmania,
Senior Moderator
Nobody said anything about game servers. Only one week after all of this does anyone say that it affects the game servers, and even then, he admits:

We are running BCOF test, NW Servers, BCOF development stuff and the Forums on the same machine.
We can not afford to have constant spikes, which you will not notice when visiting the forums,because they are just that, very short spikes, but we do notice when testing BCOF.

Capping the pages to 100 prevents most of these CPU spikes. Unless you donate us 1440 euro each year, so we can host the forums on a separate server, it will stay as it is. We do not have the money to pay for it on our own.
Everything we were told was that it's all about the forum servers lagging. Up until yesterday, no one said that the game and forum servers were the same servers, or that this was because the games were lagging.

I'm not saying we need to be read into each and every detail about all the goings on of the website and game developing, but a simple and clear explanation before you make major changes to the forum would stop a LOT of these forum complaints from rising in the first place. Perhaps you don't consider regimental threads important, but even if you don't and all this breaks out, that simple and clear explanation would put it to bed a lot sooner.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Blobmania on October 21, 2014, 12:45:01 pm
That's what I told people because that's the explanation I was given. Vince told me exactly what he told the rest of the community, and because I know that he wouldn't have asked us to do it without good reason, I didn't feel the need to ask for any more information.

Any one of you could easily have sent Olaf or Vince a PM asking for more information, rather than raging publicly that we're being unjust.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Walko on October 21, 2014, 01:26:01 pm
We could also have been spared that if the community had listened to us in the first place. The reasons for implementing the policy don't change their impact. If the community weren't so obsessed with the idea that we're trying to screw them over, this could have been avoided.

Believe it or not, we've got good reasons for doing what we do. It's rarely just a shot in the dark.

Implying that you told us what was going on before you went on a thread locking spree.

Implying that It didn't take a fuck ton of pages and a shit ton of confusion to show people the reason

Ok.

Please let's learn from past mistakes and next time something like this happens, you can go about it in a manner that won't make people thing "FSE Nazis!1!1!!" (Ie. Explain what's going on and why you do it before you do.) it's not difficult and wouldn't make people hate FSE more.


But then again you won't listen to me.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: The Rebel on October 21, 2014, 02:09:28 pm
Spoiler
We could also have been spared that if the community had listened to us in the first place. The reasons for implementing the policy don't change their impact. If the community weren't so obsessed with the idea that we're trying to screw them over, this could have been avoided.

Believe it or not, we've got good reasons for doing what we do. It's rarely just a shot in the dark.

Implying that you told us what was going on before you went on a thread locking spree.

Implying that It didn't take a fuck ton of pages and a shit ton of confusion to show people the reason

Ok.

Please let's learn from past mistakes and next time something like this happens, you can go about it in a manner that won't make people thing "FSE Nazis!1!1!!" (Ie. Explain what's going on and why you do it before you do.) it's not difficult and wouldn't make people hate FSE more.


But then again you won't listen to me.
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Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Riddlez on October 21, 2014, 03:09:32 pm
Spoiler
We could also have been spared that if the community had listened to us in the first place. The reasons for implementing the policy don't change their impact. If the community weren't so obsessed with the idea that we're trying to screw them over, this could have been avoided.

Believe it or not, we've got good reasons for doing what we do. It's rarely just a shot in the dark.

Implying that you told us what was going on before you went on a thread locking spree.

Implying that It didn't take a fuck ton of pages and a shit ton of confusion to show people the reason

Ok.

Please let's learn from past mistakes and next time something like this happens, you can go about it in a manner that won't make people thing "FSE Nazis!1!1!!" (Ie. Explain what's going on and why you do it before you do.) it's not difficult and wouldn't make people hate FSE more.


But then again you won't listen to me.
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Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Blobmania on October 21, 2014, 07:30:52 pm
It was explained on the threads that were locked, and again in more depth on a stickied thread of its own. Every poster that asked for their OP had it returned to them. Literally all people had to do was PM a moderator for the code and start a new thread - considerably less effort than people have spent in complaining about it in the first place. You're making mountains out of molehills here.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Riddlez on October 21, 2014, 07:33:46 pm
It was explained on the threads that were locked, and again in more depth on a stickied thread of its own. Every poster that asked for their OP had it returned to them. Literally all people had to do was PM a moderator for the code and start a new thread - considerably less effort than people have spent in complaining about it in the first place. You're making mountains out of molehills here.

This would be true if that had been what he actually meant.
What he meant:

FSE: Look, let's cap all threads at 100 pages, because our server lags, and BCoF, NW and FSE site are all same servers.
Now, to let them know, we are going to explain all this in three easy sentences to the community by making a public announcement we will start doing this in one week.

*POsts announcement
*Some people moping and crying over nothing
*At least 75% of community going: Well, shame, but now we get to back up our threads at least

Issue resolved, carry on, plebs.


I think your policy of informing the community is a bit off.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: The Rebel on October 22, 2014, 05:35:00 am
It was explained on the threads that were locked, and again in more depth on a stickied thread of its own. Every poster that asked for their OP had it returned to them. Literally all people had to do was PM a moderator for the code and start a new thread - considerably less effort than people have spent in complaining about it in the first place. You're making mountains out of molehills here.
Yes it may have been stated. But it would have been better if you made an annoucement of some sort. So when you locked all the threads, you would not have gotten such a big reaction from the community.

You just think bring up something abruptly is going to make everything better? No. There needs to be a fair share of warnings/annoucements telling people what is going to happen. Instead you, "the mods," the came out of no where and started locking some of the biggest, most active threads on the forum.

So you know, many people will look at the thread and be like, "Oh no, what is going on. What are the moderators doing." I just think personally, #1 The Moderators should have contacted the regiment leaders or the community as a whole what is happening in more depth. Say as sending a message to everyone on the forum, stating whats upcoming with the forum etc.

It's good you gave the BB codes back, but I still think there should have been a warning before you started locking threads.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: MaHuD on October 22, 2014, 07:29:10 pm
We could also have been spared that if the community had listened to us in the first place. The reasons for implementing the policy don't change their impact. If the community weren't so obsessed with the idea that we're trying to screw them over, this could have been avoided.

Believe it or not, we've got good reasons for doing what we do. It's rarely just a shot in the dark.
How difficult is it to warn people before hand or properly explain it?
Lack of transparency is what caused problems before.
If you don't tell people, they will make assumptions and you know where that leads.
Of course making assumptions is bad, but in the end its the Company that will be hurt the most, not the members.
Members can easily look for a new place to be, whereas a company cannot easily replenish their fanbase losses.

edit:
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=19540.msg821726#msg821726
That thread was supposed to inform the members?
It is one of the many stickied topics there (I had not even noticed it until you just mentioned it), and it is made at roughly the same time as this thread from what I can see.
A big post in the announcement and at the news at the right top corner with 2 or 3 days advance notice would have been much better and allowed the explanation to spread faster than the angry replies.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 23, 2014, 12:22:38 am
Or maybe sending a private message to everyone.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: The Rebel on October 23, 2014, 12:38:17 am
It was explained on the threads that were locked, and again in more depth on a stickied thread of its own. Every poster that asked for their OP had it returned to them. Literally all people had to do was PM a moderator for the code and start a new thread - considerably less effort than people have spent in complaining about it in the first place. You're making mountains out of molehills here.
I just think personally, #1 The Moderators should have contacted the regiment leaders or the community as a whole what is happening in more depth. Say as sending a message to everyone on the forum, stating whats upcoming with the forum etc.

Or maybe sending a private message to everyone.
Ya that would be a good idea.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Riddlez on October 23, 2014, 10:40:56 am
It was explained on the threads that were locked, and again in more depth on a stickied thread of its own. Every poster that asked for their OP had it returned to them. Literally all people had to do was PM a moderator for the code and start a new thread - considerably less effort than people have spent in complaining about it in the first place. You're making mountains out of molehills here.
I just think personally, #1 The Moderators should have contacted the regiment leaders or the community as a whole what is happening in more depth. Say as sending a message to everyone on the forum, stating whats upcoming with the forum etc.

Yeah, just the regimental leaders. As if they deserve to know more just because they host a group of players. Notify the entire community, or no one at all.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Blobmania on October 23, 2014, 02:13:12 pm
I didn't feel that it was necessary to give more warning because I wasn't aware it was such a big deal. All it meant was that users would have to create new threads - hardly a strenuous task in the first place, the forums are full of them after all. The inability to quote locked posts wasn't anticipated, and I believe that's where much of the community outcry has stemmed from, but that would have happened whether we'd given warning or not. We provided alternate means to obtain your post, and the forum generally carried on as normal. What's the big deal.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: PurplePanda on October 23, 2014, 03:36:51 pm
There should always be a warning for any changes made to any forum.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Locust on October 23, 2014, 04:20:35 pm
You were obviously wrong,  Blob. The main outrage is people losing their original thread. If you don't understand why people are outraged then clearly you have no perspective on what the community is like.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Riddlez on October 23, 2014, 04:21:35 pm
I didn't feel that it was necessary to give more warning because I wasn't aware it was such a big deal. All it meant was that users would have to create new threads - hardly a strenuous task in the first place, the forums are full of them after all. The inability to quote locked posts wasn't anticipated, and I believe that's where much of the community outcry has stemmed from, but that would have happened whether we'd given warning or not. We provided alternate means to obtain your post, and the forum generally carried on as normal. What's the big deal.

Your entire line of thinking was based on assumptions. I know this isn't about life and death, but in the Fire Department Lieutenants are drilled to the core with this:

Assumptions kill.

It's a generally nice motto. I would kindly suggest (actually meant kindly) that this will also be in the back of you and the rest of he mod team's head in upcoming decisions.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Blobmania on October 23, 2014, 07:11:53 pm
No-one lost their original thread. They are all right there, for the world to see, in horrifyingly plain sight.

Riddlez, none of it was based on assumptions. I knew it had to be done, and I knew that the forum users would be able to make new threads. What I didn't know was that they wouldn't be able to grab their originals - which I fixed, by sending them to anyone that needed them. None of that was an assumption.

There should always be a warning for any changes made to any forum.

That's a very sweeping statement. I don't see why you should need a warning unless it's something you'd need to prepare for - which until after the event, we weren't aware this was. If I'd known users wouldn't have been able to grab their original posts then yes, I'd have given some warning, but if it wasn't the case then there's no reason not to go ahead and do it. The vast majority of you are not fragile old men living out their last days - you can easily survive a little unexpected change in your lives, especially when it has no real consequence on your overall quality of life. The Regimental forums are exactly the same as they were before, only with less posts per thread. Stop getting sentimental.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on October 23, 2014, 07:22:19 pm
I don't see why you should need a warning unless it's something you'd need to prepare for.

Alot of people seem to care about (what you call) minor changes. You might as well notify people instead of having to explain it multiple times to avoid confusion altogether. Doesn't seem to be that much of a hassle.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: USE4life on October 23, 2014, 07:23:54 pm
And maybe Blob. Just maybe, someone else might have foreseen the problems you did not. And then warned you about them so there would be no problems. But I guess we're not moderators so everything we say is just whiny bullshit.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Blobmania on October 23, 2014, 07:39:35 pm
It was a minor change. It takes less than 30 seconds to pm a moderator for your OP, and under another 30 to make the new thread. In contrast, the community have been complaining about a small number of them having to make this one-minute sacrifice for over a week now. I totally agree that in hindsight some advance warning may have been useful given the complications that have arisen, but using that to justify the amount of abuse we received because of it is ridiculous. I personally have been sworn at and attacked as a result of that childish retaliation, and it's entirely disproportional to the actual effects of the new policy. A small number of forum users have reasonably requested that they be given more notice in the future, and as a result I'll likely try to do so in the future. But the way many users have gone about it - abusing us and demanding that we do so, as if simply creating an account on these forums entitles them to act like an entitled ass should they choose, is wholly disrespectful and entirely unnecessary.

We're only people, we're all volunteers, and we do make mistakes - just as every one of you do. Show us a little more respect and courtesy and we'll be far more inclined to give you what you want.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: MaHuD on October 23, 2014, 07:45:22 pm
Yes some people are whining and insulting, but there are plenty of people offering up a good debate who are not necessarily assaulting you as a person, rather the Policy or the choices made (and how they were followed through).
Of course, I am pretty sure everyone realizes by now that it's a bummer, but it had to be done and we'll have to move on.
Hopefully we will see warnings or discussions concerning changes or problems in the future.
Also please note, that one could also splitt topics and thereby get rid of old posts whilst still keeping the OP and the latest posts. (but this is a slightly bit more work!)
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 23, 2014, 09:57:57 pm
Blob, why are all your posts here so focused on justifying your actions, making excuses, telling us our complaints are dumb, talking about how there was nothing you could have done, on and on and on. Seriously, how hard is it to accept that you upset the community and you screwed up. You obviously did do that. Just take responsibility for your actions, Jesus Christ. Not only is this incredibly unprofessional, this is pretty immature. When you make someone upset or unhappy, you acknowledge it. This is how you deal with a problem. You do not try to convince us that our problems are insignificant and we're all dumb for caring about the things we care about. Jesus Christ, what is the issue here? You dun goofed. Now work from there.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Riddlez on October 23, 2014, 11:01:44 pm
I didn't feel that

Assumption right here.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 12:01:06 am
Much h8. By the way Nipple, don't mention the Saviour's name in vain!
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Locust on October 24, 2014, 12:26:15 am
He's not hating.
Title: Re: All regiment & mess hall threads capped at 100 pages
Post by: Blobmania on October 24, 2014, 12:38:25 am
Nipplestockings, I've just got just as much right to defend my actions as you all do to complain about them. Calm the hell down and get on with your life. I've already agreed that in hindsight some warning may have been useful, however at the time I was unaware that it would cause such a major problem. I'm not even aware that it personally affected you, and if it did I can't imagine it would be anywhere near worth the effort you're putting into condemning me for it. No-one takes responsibility for their actions across the whole forum, least of all you. Take yourself off that pedestal and simmer down - you've got what you wanted, and next time we make a major policy change I'll make sure everyone's aware of it well in advance. Now chill out.