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Title: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on December 14, 2013, 12:16:30 am
Say what you think the biggest failures in history were. They can be events, people, nations, laws, battles, etc. Don't make your decisions based off race, nationality, or just plain idiotic grounds.


For me:
The Austrian Empire
Why: Battle of Karánsebes. That's why
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on December 14, 2013, 01:55:09 am
John Sedgwick

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance" -His last words.

Sedgwick fell at the beginning of the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, on May 9, 1864. His corps was probing skirmish lines ahead of the left flank of Confederate defenses and he was directing artillery placements. Confederate sharpshooters were about 1,000 yards (900 m) away and their shots caused members of his staff and artillerymen to duck for cover. Sedgwick strode around in the open and was quoted as saying, "What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line?" Although ashamed, his men continued to flinch and he repeated, "I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." Just seconds later he fell forward with a bullet hole below his left eye.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sedgwick
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Pinball Wizard on December 14, 2013, 01:56:24 am
John Sedgwick

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance" -His last words.

Sedgwick fell at the beginning of the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, on May 9, 1864. His corps was probing skirmish lines ahead of the left flank of Confederate defenses and he was directing artillery placements. Confederate sharpshooters were about 1,000 yards (900 m) away and their shots caused members of his staff and artillerymen to duck for cover. Sedgwick strode around in the open and was quoted as saying, "What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line?" Although ashamed, his men continued to flinch and he repeated, "I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." Just seconds later he fell forward with a bullet hole below his left eye.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sedgwick
Classic example of speaking too soon.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on December 14, 2013, 02:01:54 am
Stop this. You've been warned multiple times.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: weaverwarrior12 on December 14, 2013, 02:12:21 am
Stop this. You've been warned multiple times.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on December 14, 2013, 02:15:28 am
Oh Weaver, you're adorable  ;D
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Turin Turambar on December 14, 2013, 02:46:49 am
I don't think they failed in what they did..
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on December 14, 2013, 03:52:42 am
Karl Marx forever!!!!

And yeah, Turin's right...they didn't fail...in fact, all that murder suggests they succeeded in their goals. This is meant for failures, actual failures. Like Austrians killing thousands of their own men, that's a failure
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Furrnox on December 14, 2013, 04:35:13 am
Speaking of shitty people this guy should be sent to prison or worse.

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Karl Marx forever!!!!
<3
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Newkirk on December 14, 2013, 06:53:56 am
I saw this, immediately thought of something, clicked on it, and realized Howe already took it. :/
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on December 14, 2013, 06:55:00 am
Muhahahahahaha
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Desert Thunda on December 14, 2013, 08:47:31 am
The butt hurt is so strong, may your butt hurt be eternal.
Anyway...

•Russia and the US took an interest in Afghanistan in the Cold War
•The US armed Afghanis who didn't like the Russians fucking with their country even more than the Americans fucking with their country
•Russia left Afghanistan
•Leave behind a bunch of pissed, well trained, and armed militants
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on December 14, 2013, 09:28:19 am
A lot of people on here don't seem to make the distinction between Marxism (Karl Marx' writings) and Marxism-Leninism. Two very different things. Marx's critique on Capitalism was spot on (das Kapital) , now the authoritarian regimes that have sprouted with Marx' name attached (Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, etc.) are in no way shape or form related to Karl Marx himself or actual socialism for that matter.

I wouldn't call anything a failure in history because if were not making mistakes, how can humanity expect to learn?

Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Ililsa on December 14, 2013, 02:31:06 pm
The Austrian Empire
Why: Battle of Karánsebes. That's why

I'd be very surprised if you can find me a contemporary reference of that battle even happening.

The butt hurt is so strong, may your butt hurt be eternal.
Anyway...

•Russia and the US took an interest in Afghanistan in the Cold War
•The US armed Afghanis who didn't like the Russians fucking with their country even more than the Americans fucking with their country
•Russia left Afghanistan
•Leave behind a bunch of pissed, well trained, and armed militants

This, but expanded to involve every Afghan war involving the West.

Pattern recognition is apparently not something we're good at.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 14, 2013, 02:41:42 pm
How about the numerous crusades on the Holy lands?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on December 14, 2013, 02:45:30 pm
How about the numerous crusades on the Holy lands?
Those didn't fail, did they?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 14, 2013, 02:50:10 pm
Alot of them did. not all
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on December 14, 2013, 02:52:52 pm
Alot of them did. not all
Sad that they did :(
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 14, 2013, 02:59:11 pm
A lot of them were made against the Orthodox Christians as well, and they didn't fail.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 14, 2013, 02:59:36 pm
It's quite amusing when you realize that the place two Jew-hating people fought over for like two centuries is now...Jewish.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 14, 2013, 03:02:15 pm
Alot of them did. not all
Sad that they did :(
Why? I think even if they succeeded that it wouldn't have changed much.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Ililsa on December 14, 2013, 03:09:35 pm
This should turn out to be interesting.

I wonder how long it'll be before this one is locked.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 14, 2013, 03:15:15 pm
This should turn out to be interesting.

I wonder how long it'll be before this one is locked.

^ This guy knows where it's at.

Purely looking at political effects, successful crusades would have a major impact on the course of history. But putting 'Sadly they lost' or 'luckily they lost' is really an unnecessary comment, because Wismar, everybody knows you'll just go ahead and make this an anti-Islam debate.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Jolly9 on December 14, 2013, 11:35:12 pm
Albert Einsteins last words were lost...because the nurse didn't know German, that's a pretty big one if you ask me :| Ah...those precious words...Although it was probably something like, can you get me some water :\
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: GodsonGuys on December 15, 2013, 09:59:38 am
Im sorry, but the amount of times Christianaity has declared a war on another religion.

Crusades...

WW2...

And now "War on Terror"

there are many more. But Christianity has been the source of many problems.  And yes, I am a Christian.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TheBoberton on December 15, 2013, 10:05:36 am
Without touching on the rest of your horribly incorrect and fallacious post;

What the Hell does the Second World War have to do with religion?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: GodsonGuys on December 15, 2013, 10:08:38 am
Without touching on the rest of your horribly incorrect and fallacious post;

What the Hell does the Second World War have to do with religion?


Although NOT a Holy War, Christians, not all, did strike out at another religion. And what has it got to do with religion? Well, That question is a little silly.

And fallacious? I can look at most wars we Primarily Study today (IN Australia.), and connect Christianity to it.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TheBoberton on December 15, 2013, 10:10:12 am
Although NOT a Holy War, Christians, not all, did strike out at another religion. And what has it got to do with religion? Well, That question is a little silly.

By that logic, the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan was Atheism striking out at Islam.

And fallacious? I can look at most wars we Primarily Study today, and connect Christianity to it.

I believe I've stated before that looking at an issue with predisposed eyes can connect any event to a cause, justification, or scapegoat. If one seeks to look honestly at history, then to do so is a mortal sin.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on December 15, 2013, 10:15:46 am
Religion is certainly part of the causality of why things are so fucked up in the world and if you can't do the math on that, then I can't help you.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: GodsonGuys on December 15, 2013, 10:17:46 am
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Although NOT a Holy War, Christians, not all, did strike out at another religion. And what has it got to do with religion? Well, That question is a little silly.

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By that logic, the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan was Atheism striking out at Islam.

A certain Leader blamed a certain religion for some certain misfortunes. And what misfortune did the Islams give the USSR? And some people say that Atheists are Non-religious, some say that that Atheism is one. But I don't think that was a Religious war.



Religion is certainly part of the causality of why things are so fucked up in the world and if you can't do the math on that, then I can't help you.


Oh, I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: BattleBoss on December 15, 2013, 10:28:06 am
How about some unrelated failures that may not disappoint people!
On June 20th, 1898, the USS Charleston arrived at the island of Guam, with orders to take the Spanish owned and rock by any means necessary. I'm sure most of us know the story that unfolds, but, here's how wikipedia likes to word it.
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"As the cruiser proceeded on its way, a small group of curious inhabitants gathered on the shores of Piti, a landing place down the bay. These locals were aware of the presence of the American vessels, for they had been sighted early that morning. All of the important citizens of Guam were there with the exception of the governor, Don Juan Marina. The chief officials present were a lieutenant commander of the navy and captain of the port, Don Francisco Gutierrez, Don Jose Romero, naval surgeon, and Captain Pedro Duarte Anducar of the marine corps, and Don Jose Sixto, civil paymaster. Among the prominent civilians at the beach were Francisco Portusach, the leading merchant of Guam, and his brother Jose Portusach. While the gathering was looking curiously at the cruiser and the three transports, Charleston fired 13 rounds at the old Spanish fortress from three of her guns. There was no return fire, and there was no apparent damage to the fort. Pedro Duarte turned to his companions and said that the ship must be saluting the fort, so he hurriedly dispatched a messenger to Agana, the capital, which was about 6 mi (9.7 km) away, requesting the governor to send artillery to Piti to return the salute. The captain of the port, the naval surgeon, and a native Chamorro named Jose Paloma got into a boat furnished by Francisco Portusach and went out to welcome the visitors. Jose Portusach went along with the party to act as interpreter. When they finally got aboard the deck of the Charleston, Captain Glass immediately informed them that war had been declared between the U.S. and Spain.

The Spanish officials were amazed when they heard this and the news that they were now prisoners of war, because no dispatches or mail had arrived since 9 April to enlighten them. They were then paroled for the day when they promised to return to Agana to inform the governor of the war and notify him to appear on board the American ship immediately. The party then went below deck into the captain's cabin to discuss the surrender of the island."
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I do have to say, lack of communication has the opportunity to lead to some comical situations.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TheBoberton on December 15, 2013, 10:32:42 am
The only connection the Holocaust has to the Second World War is that the Allies and USSR put a stop to it when they marched into the camps. Besides;

A certain Leader blamed a certain religion for some certain misfortunes.

No, he blamed an ethnic group for the nation's misfortunes. There's a reason searches into people's family history happened in Nazi Germany; They weren't checking your ancestor's religion, as they didn't give a shit about it.

Religion is certainly part of the causality of why things are so fucked up in the world and if you can't do the math on that, then I can't help you.

Oh indeed, religion has caused many problems (And solved some at the same time), but Godson is a fool if he thinks that the Second World War had anything to do with it.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on December 15, 2013, 10:52:15 am
Religion is certainly part of the causality of why things are so fucked up in the world and if you can't do the math on that, then I can't help you.

Oh indeed, religion has caused many problems (And solved some at the same time), but Godson is a fool if he thinks that the Second World War had anything to do with it.

Not directly ofcourse, Christian dogma and Social Darwinism as you probably know went hand in hand. Catholic Church went allong with it aswel like they did with regimes before.

Here's an anecdote from Antonio Garcia Baron whilst he was interned at Mauthausen concentration camp and he met Himmler,

"I told Himmler (the head of the Nazi SS) when he visited the Mauthausen quarry on 27 April, 1941, what a great couple the (Nazis) made with the Church."
"He replied that it was true, but that after the war I would see all the cardinals with the Pope marching there, pointing at the chimney of the crematorium."
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on December 17, 2013, 11:21:18 pm
Hm... what is the biggest failure in history I can think of...

...Six Day War...

Hurts more because I had an Uncle who was a Capitaine in the Moroccan Expeditionary Force at Golan heights... he didn't come back. Not many did.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on December 17, 2013, 11:27:20 pm
Hilarious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War

One guy on the british side got wounded while (probably slipped or something) they took out 500 of the enemy.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: DoctorWarband on December 17, 2013, 11:30:40 pm
1 Roman legion killed an entire huge squad of elephants with no casualties. Derp.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 17, 2013, 11:33:09 pm
The Kettle War.

1 Dutch ship versus 3 Austrian ships, the Dutch ship fires a single warning shot which strikes a soup kettle on the deck of one of the Austrian ships. The Austrians retreat and the war was over. The only casualty was a kettle, and presumably all of the soup within.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on December 17, 2013, 11:33:16 pm
Dien Bien Phu, destruction of Paris Commune,  Spanish civil war, Hoover and the FBI, Truman winning over Wallace, murder of JFK, Bay of Pigs invasion and how the Europeans left Africa in the state that it is now.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 17, 2013, 11:41:02 pm
The Kettle War.

1 Dutch ship versus 3 Austrian ships, the Dutch ship fires a single warning shot which strikes a soup kettle on the deck of one of the Austrian ships. The Austrians retreat and the war was over. The only casualty was a kettle, and presumably all of the soup within.

The Austrians were so confident the Dutch wouldn't react to their challenge.  :P
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: GodsonGuys on December 17, 2013, 11:47:39 pm
The Kettle War.

1 Dutch ship versus 3 Austrian ships, the Dutch ship fires a single warning shot which strikes a soup kettle on the deck of one of the Austrian ships. The Austrians retreat and the war was over. The only casualty was a kettle, and presumably all of the soup within.

Sounds like a Monty Python Sketch.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on December 17, 2013, 11:49:20 pm
The Kettle War.

1 Dutch ship versus 3 Austrian ships, the Dutch ship fires a single warning shot which strikes a soup kettle on the deck of one of the Austrian ships. The Austrians retreat and the war was over. The only casualty was a kettle, and presumably all of the soup within.

Sounds like a Monty Python Sketch.

Most of history seems like a comedy sketch to me...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Pinball Wizard on December 18, 2013, 03:30:09 am
The Kettle War.

1 Dutch ship versus 3 Austrian ships, the Dutch ship fires a single warning shot which strikes a soup kettle on the deck of one of the Austrian ships. The Austrians retreat and the war was over. The only casualty was a kettle, and presumably all of the soup within.

Sounds like a Monty Python Sketch.

Most of history seems like a comedy sketch to me...
Especially communism  :D
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on December 18, 2013, 04:07:29 am
The Kettle War.

1 Dutch ship versus 3 Austrian ships, the Dutch ship fires a single warning shot which strikes a soup kettle on the deck of one of the Austrian ships. The Austrians retreat and the war was over. The only casualty was a kettle, and presumably all of the soup within.

Sounds like a Monty Python Sketch.

Most of history seems like a comedy sketch to me...
Especially communism  :D

That's more like Shaksperian Tradgedy actually.

And Fascism is the grind-house over the top crap.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on December 18, 2013, 04:57:38 am
Hilarious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War

One guy on the british side got wounded while (probably slipped or something) they took out 500 of the enemy.
30 minutes is quite a war indeed.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 18, 2013, 05:03:29 am
That actually isn't a very surprising outcome, it wasn't even much of a war, just British ships blasting Zanzibar to dust.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Johan on December 18, 2013, 05:55:33 am
Biggest mistake?

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Possibly this guy as well:

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Yep, those are two big failures, for sure.

Oh the irony.  ::)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on December 18, 2013, 06:08:13 am
This guy! (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on December 18, 2013, 06:10:42 am
This guy! (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile)
So everyone?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: usnavy30 on December 18, 2013, 06:15:59 am
This guy! (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile)
lol really? I'll just shrug that off I don't give a rep. I assume jk  8)
oh ok very funny, crafty trick.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 18, 2013, 06:33:03 am
This guy! (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile)
lol really? I'll just shrug that off I don't give a rep. I assume jk  8)

Lol the joke is that it redirects to the profile of whoever clicks on it. It wasn't aimed at you...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Newkirk on December 18, 2013, 06:59:59 am
This guy! (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile)
lol really? I'll just shrug that off I don't give a rep. I assume jk  8)

Lol the joke is that it redirects to the profile of whoever clicks on it. It wasn't aimed at you...

Yeah saw it and thought, how the heck did I get dragged into this? :P Then I got smart.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: usnavy30 on December 18, 2013, 07:01:45 am
Silly me  :P
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Riddlez on December 18, 2013, 11:31:11 am
This guy! (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile)

Perhaps be a little bit more original later on.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on December 18, 2013, 01:14:31 pm
Perhaps, get a sense of humor. I mean, your name is "Riddlez" and all.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 18, 2013, 02:55:15 pm
The joke is a little old though :p
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nikolas Sukraw on December 18, 2013, 02:55:58 pm
July 1st, 1916 the First Day of the Somme

After a week long bombardment the British and French attacked along the Somme the French made very substantial gains whilst the British were stopped by a wall of bullets. Within the first hour the first and second and third waves were decimated. The stubborn British commanders refused to alter the battle plans and kept sending countless British soldiers against Thiepval which was heavily defended. By the end of Day 1, twenty thousand British soldiers were killed and 37,000 wounded. It was the bloodiest day in British military history.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Newkirk on December 18, 2013, 03:40:46 pm
July 1st, 1916 the First Day of the Somme

After a week long bombardment the British and French attacked along the Somme the French made very substantial gains whilst the British were stopped by a wall of bullets. Within the first hour the first and second and third waves were decimated. The stubborn British commanders refused to alter the battle plans and kept sending countless British soldiers against Thiepval which was heavily defended. By the end of Day 1, twenty thousand British soldiers were killed and 37,000 wounded. It was the bloodiest day in British military history.

Sounds a bit like Burnside at Fredricksburg to me.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 18, 2013, 05:07:11 pm
Sounds a bit like Burnside at Fredricksburg to me.
Stupidity knows no borders
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on December 18, 2013, 05:20:39 pm
Sounds a bit like Burnside at Fredricksburg to me.
Stupidity knows no borders
People don't study history. Hitler into Russia.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on December 18, 2013, 06:09:28 pm
This guy! (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile)

Hey!  >:(
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Riddlez on December 18, 2013, 06:42:05 pm
[.url=https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile]This guy![/url.]

For people who don't get it, that bold text makes you go to your own profile.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 18, 2013, 07:32:46 pm
[.url=https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile]This guy![/url.]

For people who don't get it, that bold text makes you go to your own profile.

No shit.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Riddlez on December 18, 2013, 07:54:15 pm
[.url=https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile]This guy![/url.]

For people who don't get it, that bold text makes you go to your own profile.

No shit.

Should I read that out to you?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 18, 2013, 10:42:15 pm
[.url=https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile]This guy![/url.]

For people who don't get it, that bold text makes you go to your own profile.

No shit.

Should I read that out to you?

Please, go ahead.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Killington on December 18, 2013, 11:21:32 pm
This guy! (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile)
When first I clicked it, I thought "Aw shit, how does he know, I thought I covered my tracks well." but then I realized it was the joke thing.

Secret secured.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Walko on December 18, 2013, 11:42:59 pm
World War 1.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on December 19, 2013, 02:37:10 am
How about Christianity? One sex scandal gone awfully wrong.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dom_ on December 19, 2013, 10:23:15 am
How about Christianity? One sex scandal gone awfully wrong.
How about religion in general, what good has it ever done anyone?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on December 19, 2013, 11:02:12 am
How about Christianity? One sex scandal gone awfully wrong.
How about religion in general, what good has it ever done anyone?

It gave uneducated people something to believe in.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Tibbert on December 19, 2013, 11:14:44 am
How about Christianity? One sex scandal gone awfully wrong.
How about religion in general, what good has it ever done anyone?
*tips fedora*
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: USE4life on December 19, 2013, 12:06:06 pm
How about Christianity? One sex scandal gone awfully wrong.
How about religion in general, what good has it ever done anyone?

It gave uneducated people something to believe in.

It did do that. But now there is Jeremy Kyle, the source of all the known worlds solutions for un-educated people.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Riddlez on December 19, 2013, 12:29:02 pm
How about Christianity? One sex scandal gone awfully wrong.
How about religion in general, what good has it ever done anyone?

Stability, purpose, the 'real' believers really did take care of other, more stability and even more purpose, kept the people in check, amde the execution of political opponents much easier. All in all, in the earlier years the church, and other religions, kept the world in check for a bit.

And it gave us a shitload of useful swearwords.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on December 19, 2013, 12:38:18 pm
Religions make alliances with the State and whoever else holds power, they were the authority of the mind and whoever thought otherwise got murdered.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 19, 2013, 01:16:37 pm
Except in revolutionary France and the USSR, and faith sure wasn't removed there.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on December 19, 2013, 01:48:46 pm
Except in revolutionary France and the USSR, and faith sure wasn't removed there.

The actual revolution in France and USSR got shutdown pretty early with the mass murder of "radicals" who sought to smash the entire old order. 

ofcourse we disagree on who are the good guys.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 19, 2013, 01:53:57 pm
Radicals like Robesspiere? Who had everyone opposing him murdered?

Or maybe a radical like Stalin? Lenin? Trotski? Pretty sure they survived.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on December 19, 2013, 02:09:04 pm
Radicals like Robesspiere? Who had everyone opposing him murdered?

Or maybe a radical like Stalin? Lenin? Trotski? Pretty sure they survived.

Yes, they were radical in the sense that they took out all who opposed them.
all the guys you mentioned were Authoritarians who murdered anti-statist AKA good people.

Trotsky and Lenin for instance went after the Anarchists with more vigour than any other factions for instance, the Hebertists during The French Revolution were also anarchists.

I'm not a marxist but i agree with "Religion is the opium of the masses."
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Humlenerd on December 19, 2013, 02:45:01 pm
There are approximately 154 000 000 search results related to discussion about religion on Google, so I am sure this has been discussed many times before.
Let's try to stay on topic ;)

I believe that the burning of Washington was one of the biggest failures in history. Why? Because the Americans was so damn lazy, did they even try to stop the British? I know they had a few battles, but they gave up those pretty fast.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 19, 2013, 02:49:44 pm
The Americans tried, but their army was quickly defeated.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on December 19, 2013, 03:11:39 pm
There are approximately 154 000 000 search results related to discussion about religion on Google, so I am sure this has been discussed many times before.
Let's try to stay on topic ;)

I believe that the burning of Washington was one of the biggest failures in history. Why? Because the Americans was so damn lazy, did they even try to stop the British? I know they had a few battles, but they gave up those pretty fast.
Didn't the War of 1812 start just because Britain didn't want American to trade with the French?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 19, 2013, 03:42:10 pm
Watch this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMXqg2PKJZU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 19, 2013, 03:55:38 pm
I love crash course
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 19, 2013, 06:59:52 pm
That was a good video, John Green is a really intelligent guy and I'm glad he's on youtube giving people some knowledge.

I have to say this about the War of 1812, as John Green pointed out in the video it is incorrect to say that either side won. And the old "Well the British burned down the White House" argument is rather pointless. Burning a building is great and all but it didn't spell the defeat of the Americans, I'd say overall that burning the White House was really a fruitless endeavor. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Americans won, but the British certainly didn't either.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Riddlez on December 19, 2013, 07:36:30 pm
Firs video I saw of this 'Crash Course'.

Love it.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 19, 2013, 08:08:48 pm
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That was a good video, John Green is a really intelligent guy and I'm glad he's on youtube giving people some knowledge.

I have to say this about the War of 1812, as John Green pointed out in the video it is incorrect to say that either side won. And the old "Well the British burned down the White House" argument is rather pointless. Burning a building is great and all but it didn't spell the defeat of the Americans, I'd say overall that burning the White House was really a fruitless endeavor. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Americans won, but the British certainly didn't either.

The war technically ended in status quo, but since the Americans were the ones who declared war, and they failed to reach their objective, they basically lost. Nothing was lost except American pride, I guess.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Killington on December 19, 2013, 08:43:30 pm
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That was a good video, John Green is a really intelligent guy and I'm glad he's on youtube giving people some knowledge.

I have to say this about the War of 1812, as John Green pointed out in the video it is incorrect to say that either side won. And the old "Well the British burned down the White House" argument is rather pointless. Burning a building is great and all but it didn't spell the defeat of the Americans, I'd say overall that burning the White House was really a fruitless endeavor. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Americans won, but the British certainly didn't either.

The war technically ended in status quo, but since the Americans were the ones who declared war, and they failed to reach their objective, they basically lost. Nothing was lost except American pride, I guess.
From what I vaguely remember from history class, the real losers of the war were the First Nations, who kinda got fucked in the war and after it.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 19, 2013, 09:05:26 pm
To say the American's lost pride is, again, rather incorrect. I'm not saying the American performance was all that great because really it was a "meh" worthy performance and American officers were terrible as John Green pointed out. But Americans actually gained pride from the war rather than lost.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Tibbert on December 19, 2013, 09:10:52 pm
EEEEEEEEEEEEIGHTEEEEEN FOURTEEEEEEN MOTHAAAAAAAAFUCKAAAAAAAAAAS
REMOVE AMERICAN YOU ARE WORSE
YOU SMELL OF BURGER


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Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Olafson on December 19, 2013, 09:36:35 pm
But you have to agree, that the Brits are masters in trolling.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 19, 2013, 09:44:52 pm
Well clearly they are lol, the way they held a meeting in the abandoned White House to decide to burn it was clearly just to troll. I think the Dutch are better trolls though, sail up the Thames, burn the fleet, and to salt the wound, tow the flagship of the British fleet away like a giant sign saying "Fuck you guys"
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on December 19, 2013, 09:52:05 pm
Well clearly they are lol, the way they held a meeting in the abandoned White House to decide to burn it was clearly just to troll. I think the Dutch are better trolls though, sail up the Medway, burn the fleet, and to salt the wound, tow the flagship of the British fleet away like a giant sign saying "Fuck you guys"

Battle of the Medway
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: The Respected Man on December 19, 2013, 09:55:16 pm
EEEEEEEEEEEEIGHTEEEEEN FOURTEEEEEEN MOTHAAAAAAAAFUCKAAAAAAAAAAS
REMOVE AMERICAN YOU ARE WORSE
YOU SMELL OF BURGER


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*cough*
Spoiler
Battle of New Orleans
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Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Tibbert on December 19, 2013, 09:58:21 pm
YOU AMERICANS HIDE BEHIND WALL AND CALL IT A FAIR FIGHT
LOL MERIBURGER
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: weaverwarrior12 on December 19, 2013, 10:47:52 pm
YOU AMERICANS HIDE BEHIND WALL AND CALL IT A FAIR FIGHT
LOL MERIBURGER
'MURICA

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Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 20, 2013, 12:09:00 am
Just a shame the victory was meaningless. Ah well...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on December 20, 2013, 03:27:30 am
Firs video I saw of this 'Crash Course'.

Love it.

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: junedragon on December 20, 2013, 06:45:55 am
Great failures?

Pierre Charles Villeneuve deserves a mention.

Operation Market Garden also deserves at least a nod.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Jelly on December 29, 2013, 09:24:37 pm
Battle of Isandlwana.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Riddlez on December 29, 2013, 10:48:08 pm
Great failures?

Pierre Charles Villeneuve deserves a mention.

Operation Market Garden also deserves at least a nod.

I know I should know something about my own country, but why was it such a fail?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 29, 2013, 10:50:07 pm
Because it failed?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Riddlez on December 29, 2013, 10:51:03 pm
Because it failed?

Why did it fail?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on December 29, 2013, 10:51:08 pm
Great failures?

Pierre Charles Villeneuve deserves a mention.

Operation Market Garden also deserves at least a nod.

I know I should know something about my own country, but why was it such a fail?

Basically, Operation Market was a failed Airborne operation. Operation Garden was the attempt to get those paratroopers out of enemy territories, and that half failed
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Riddlez on December 29, 2013, 10:51:51 pm
Great failures?

Pierre Charles Villeneuve deserves a mention.

Operation Market Garden also deserves at least a nod.

I know I should know something about my own country, but why was it such a fail?

Basically, Operation Market was a failed Airborne operation. Operation Garden was the attempt to get those paratroopers out of enemy territories, and that half failed

As far as I know, it was a mission to get o'er them rivers.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 29, 2013, 11:00:45 pm
The operation was to secure the capturing of the Bridges across the rivers. It failed largely because the Allies (Mostly British HQ) failed to see that the Germans had large forces in the areas, even though the Dutch resistance had told them pretty clearly.

Sad extra: The operations scapegoat eventually became the Polish paratroopers. Totally undeserved, yet the British persisted. Queen Wilhelmina wanted to give the Polish brigade a military decoration for their role in the liberation, but because they had become scapegoats, the British interfered - If the Polish got a medal, that meant that the British couldn't keep up their story of how the Poles had caused the operation to fail. The medal was eventually given the Polish unit that had the original brigade as its heritage - In 2005.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 29, 2013, 11:14:53 pm
The operation was to secure the capturing of the Bridges across the rivers. It failed largely because the Allies (Mostly British HQ) failed to see that the Germans had large forces in the areas, even though the Dutch resistance had told them pretty clearly.

Sad extra: The operations scapegoat eventually became the Polish paratroopers. Totally undeserved, yet the British persisted. Queen Wilhelmina wanted to give the Polish brigade a military decoration for their role in the liberation, but because they had become scapegoats, the British interfered - If the Polish got a medal, that meant that the British couldn't keep up their story of how the Poles had caused the operation to fail. The medal was eventually given the Polish unit that had the original brigade as its heritage - In 2005.
The Brits never stop their sh*tty propaganda about how they win everything. ::)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 29, 2013, 11:17:34 pm
Welp... Better late than never
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on December 29, 2013, 11:19:03 pm
Welp... Better late than never

Just like the Navajo code talkers... can't believe we waited that long...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Prince_Eugen on December 30, 2013, 07:34:18 am
I'll claim the Raid on Dieppe as the one of biggest staff and general's failures. What was the purpose of that pointless assault? What do you think about it?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Jelly on December 30, 2013, 10:37:42 am
The operation was to secure the capturing of the Bridges across the rivers. It failed largely because the Allies (Mostly British HQ) failed to see that the Germans had large forces in the areas, even though the Dutch resistance had told them pretty clearly.

Sad extra: The operations scapegoat eventually became the Polish paratroopers. Totally undeserved, yet the British persisted. Queen Wilhelmina wanted to give the Polish brigade a military decoration for their role in the liberation, but because they had become scapegoats, the British interfered - If the Polish got a medal, that meant that the British couldn't keep up their story of how the Poles had caused the operation to fail. The medal was eventually given the Polish unit that had the original brigade as its heritage - In 2005.
The Brits never stop their sh*tty propaganda about how they win everything. ::)
The usual
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Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on December 30, 2013, 10:46:34 am
90% of the In-Development board
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on December 30, 2013, 12:35:12 pm
The operation was to secure the capturing of the Bridges across the rivers. It failed largely because the Allies (Mostly British HQ) failed to see that the Germans had large forces in the areas, even though the Dutch resistance had told them pretty clearly.

Sad extra: The operations scapegoat eventually became the Polish paratroopers. Totally undeserved, yet the British persisted. Queen Wilhelmina wanted to give the Polish brigade a military decoration for their role in the liberation, but because they had become scapegoats, the British interfered - If the Polish got a medal, that meant that the British couldn't keep up their story of how the Poles had caused the operation to fail. The medal was eventually given the Polish unit that had the original brigade as its heritage - In 2005.
The Brits never stop their sh*tty propaganda about how they win everything. ::)
The usual
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-gT7bQHgjTvg%2FTWCR6JvpxeI%2FAAAAAAAAC5g%2Fg0RO4o00AeI%2Fs1600%2Ffrench_surrender.jpg&hash=e434c892462406840d3edfb6996e525b949562b4)
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Just so you people now, the "cheese-eating surrender-monkey" French came from the Franco-Prussian War. Keep in mind, although the French were using superior rifles, in a sense, they were using very old tactics. The marched in very long lines against the Prussians and NGC troops. They would get cut down, losing 100-250 men before even getting off a salvo. The French staff and division command would always order their men to retreat, and this caused even more casualties. I believe the French mustered around 750,000 troops, and lost around 600,000. The Prussian and NGC combined mustered around 1,250,000 and lost only 100,000. That just goes to show the difference in tactics, and how old tactics that late into a modernized era doesn't work.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on December 30, 2013, 01:33:09 pm
Speaking of the Franco-Prussian war, is there any movies or documentories out there? I have tried to find some but all I found were a bunch of old british men talking over pictures.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Prince_Eugen on December 30, 2013, 01:38:02 pm
Speaking of the Franco-Prussian war, is there any movies or documentories out there? I have tried to find some but all I found were a bunch of old british men talking over pictures.
There are numerous documents about it, but on german. I doubt this war is popular in France.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on December 30, 2013, 01:56:53 pm
Speaking of the Franco-Prussian war, is there any movies or documentories out there? I have tried to find some but all I found were a bunch of old british men talking over pictures.
There are numerous documents about it, but on german. I doubt this war is popular in France.
Do you have any names or links for these?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on December 30, 2013, 01:58:04 pm
Speaking of the Franco-Prussian war, is there any movies or documentories out there? I have tried to find some but all I found were a bunch of old british men talking over pictures.
There are numerous documents about it, but on german. I doubt this war is popular in France.
Do you have any names or links for these?

Nurdbot posted one in the gif war thread
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Jelly on December 30, 2013, 04:42:04 pm
I remember seeing one, I think it was about Sedan, it was quite good actually.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 30, 2013, 05:16:38 pm
Just so you people now, the "cheese-eating surrender-monkey" French came from the Franco-Prussian War. Keep in mind, although the French were using superior rifles, in a sense, they were using very old tactics. The marched in very long lines against the Prussians and NGC troops. They would get cut down, losing 100-250 men before even getting off a salvo. The French staff and division command would always order their men to retreat, and this caused even more casualties. I believe the French mustered around 750,000 troops, and lost around 600,000. The Prussian and NGC combined mustered around 1,250,000 and lost only 100,000. That just goes to show the difference in tactics, and how old tactics that late into a modernized era doesn't work.
This stereotype doesn't come from the Franco-Prussian War at all. It comes from WW2 and more recently the fact that we refused to follow the burgers in Iraq. I know you like to bring this up, saying how dumb and sh*t we are compared to your obvious master race, but I do invite you to check out the War of the Fourth Coalition if you want the same thing with switched sides

There are numerous documents about it, but on german. I doubt this war is popular in France.
Well, this war is actually well documented in France, I don't know where you got this idea from.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Prince_Eugen on December 30, 2013, 05:25:07 pm
There are numerous documents about it, but on german. I doubt this war is popular in France.
Well, this war is actually well documented in France, I don't know where you got this idea from.
I didnt stated, it was only may opinion, well, usually, when coutry loses a war, they dont want to talk about it too much.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 30, 2013, 05:27:05 pm
I didnt stated, it was only may opinion, well, usually, when coutry loses a war, they dont want to talk about it too much.
I should introduce you to Democracy, where everyone is free to talk about whatever they want.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 30, 2013, 05:30:18 pm
I didnt stated, it was only may opinion, well, usually, when coutry loses a war, they dont want to talk about it too much.
I should introduce you to Democracy, where everyone is free to talk about whatever they want.

Oooh. Nice one.

I got to agree with Gizmo. It's rather ironic people in Napoleonic re-enactment loooove to make jokes about French and their 'surrendering habits', ignoring the fact that the allies got their asses handed to them for two decades before starting to win.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: joer5835 on December 30, 2013, 05:38:59 pm
Sometimes the French forget how to be French.

And you'd better not stand in their way when that happens....
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Prince_Eugen on December 30, 2013, 05:48:06 pm
I didnt stated, it was only may opinion, well, usually, when coutry loses a war, they dont want to talk about it too much.
I should introduce you to Democracy, where everyone is free to talk about whatever they want.
Oh, well. You got me wrong, who will make a lot of info about war with details, they lost? Details of shame.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 30, 2013, 05:51:08 pm
Oh, well. You got me wrong, who will make a lot of info about war with details, they lost? Details of shame.
First lesson, in Democracy. We don't "make" infos.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Prince_Eugen on December 30, 2013, 05:53:08 pm
Oh, well. You got me wrong, who will make a lot of info about war with details, they lost? Details of shame.
First lesson, in Democracy. We don't "make" infos.
Ok for you then.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Matim on December 30, 2013, 06:01:51 pm
XI century '70, turkish conquest of the bizantine near east, the biggest fail in the medieval history. In consequence Byzantium was never again able to stop muslim expansion.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on December 30, 2013, 09:11:15 pm
Just so you people now, the "cheese-eating surrender-monkey" French came from the Franco-Prussian War. Keep in mind, although the French were using superior rifles, in a sense, they were using very old tactics. The marched in very long lines against the Prussians and NGC troops. They would get cut down, losing 100-250 men before even getting off a salvo. The French staff and division command would always order their men to retreat, and this caused even more casualties. I believe the French mustered around 750,000 troops, and lost around 600,000. The Prussian and NGC combined mustered around 1,250,000 and lost only 100,000. That just goes to show the difference in tactics, and how old tactics that late into a modernized era doesn't work.
This stereotype doesn't come from the Franco-Prussian War at all. It comes from WW2 and more recently the fact that we refused to follow the burgers in Iraq. I know you like to bring this up, saying how dumb and sh*t we are compared to your obvious master race, but I do invite you to check out the War of the Fourth Coalition if you want the same thing with switched sides

Feisty one, are you? How about, unlike Raddeo, you talk civil and not attack my "master race" as butthurt European nations like to refer Germany as. This is where I have seen this stereotype from, countless times. If you think I am wrong, just say it. Don't attack me for being German, as I don't believe myself to be higher than anyone else.

Raddeo got muted for the same type of thing you're saying, I suggest you watch what you say.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on December 30, 2013, 09:18:28 pm
You can't possibly be comparing Gizmo to Raddeo...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 30, 2013, 09:32:58 pm
WW1, the German invasion of Belgium
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 30, 2013, 10:04:20 pm
it had a rough start but I wouldn't call it a failure.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 30, 2013, 10:08:34 pm
I'd say it was an endeavour that led only to their defeat really. Had they not failed there they would have taken France and probably won the war - or come a lot closer. And it wasn't just the start that was rough. Every inch of ground was paid for in German blood by an army less than a twentieth of their size
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 30, 2013, 10:14:58 pm
they still won and had the nation occupied for pretty much four years straight.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 30, 2013, 10:16:26 pm
even though we still had a patch of land left. That land was useless to the germans. They didn't need it.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 30, 2013, 10:28:30 pm
I wouldn't call it "winning" if that nation still holds any land and is still actively fighting them.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 30, 2013, 10:30:28 pm
but they got their objectives. Getting troops through belgium into France. While we were an annoying thorn in a giants ass. They still got what they wanted.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 30, 2013, 10:46:58 pm
I do believe that they never actually reached France through Belgium unless I'm mistaken. Considering that the Belgians held out at the Ypres with the British throughout the war until they pushed forward and retook the country.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 30, 2013, 11:01:40 pm
I know my Belgian WW1 history, they got through.

Spoiler
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Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on December 30, 2013, 11:03:34 pm
You can't possibly be comparing Gizmo to Raddeo...


I'm not, just suggesting that he not attack my "glorious German master race" and not make an ass out of hims3lf l7ke Raddeo did.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 30, 2013, 11:28:01 pm
You can't possibly be comparing Gizmo to Raddeo...
I'm not, just suggesting that he not attack my "glorious German master race" and not make an ass out of hims3lf l7ke Raddeo did.
Raddeo got muted because he openly insulted you, nothing to do with being German. And the immense difference between Raddeo and me, is that I don't throw out insults. But I may suggest that you to not attack my "cheese-eating surrender-monkey" race, so watch what you're saying. It works both ways doesn't it?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on December 30, 2013, 11:38:56 pm
ah man don't get this thread locked too :/
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: KillerMongoose on December 30, 2013, 11:56:53 pm
Some of the thread lockings I've seen in recent days have seemed rather unnecessary
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 30, 2013, 11:58:12 pm
Best open a thread for that, even though it will get locked, but we don't want to see this one locked as well.

WE SHALL RETURN ON-TOPIC NOW OH GREAT MCEWEN!
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on December 31, 2013, 12:02:53 am
Well I guess Chernobyl is kind of a huge failure isn't it? :P
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on December 31, 2013, 12:14:17 am
Or the fact they sent men in nothing more then raincoats, telling them it would protect them.

Then again, commies never had troubles with potentially getting people killed by radioactivity.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Blobmania on December 31, 2013, 12:37:28 am
The great Emu war. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on December 31, 2013, 12:44:34 am
The great Emu war. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War)

Well the Aussies haven't fought anyone since WWII (Well, Aboriginals, but that isn't a fair fight) so they may as well glorify hunting.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on December 31, 2013, 12:49:21 am
You can't possibly be comparing Gizmo to Raddeo...
I'm not, just suggesting that he not attack my "glorious German master race" and not make an ass out of hims3lf l7ke Raddeo did.
Raddeo got muted because he openly insulted you, nothing to do with being German. And the immense difference between Raddeo and me, is that I don't throw out insults. But I may suggest that you to not attack my "cheese-eating surrender-monkey" race, so watch what you're saying. It works both ways doesn't it?

Not one thing I said was in offense  or riticule. That is your own analization... Don't take what I say advinsult, as most peoplecdo. I thought that is where it was from. Like I said, if I am wrong, just correct me, don't insult me for being German.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on December 31, 2013, 12:52:22 am
Guys, please. McEwan's gotten real mute/lock happy over the past couple of days, so either take it to PMs or stop entirely.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 31, 2013, 02:32:45 am
The great Emu war. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War)

Well the Aussies haven't fought anyone since WWII (Well, Aboriginals, but that isn't a fair fight) so they may as well glorify hunting.

Not after ww2, but

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-m8hG-aUR9RQ%2FTd_ZJ0lGwVI%2FAAAAAAAAADA%2FBeDzZD6r3yA%2Fs1600%2F1306499227365.jpg&hash=c4907ac70cbf7d32ec5517f3cf2fb477b28c3a84)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Shredder on December 31, 2013, 02:47:35 am
The biggest failure in history was when evolution didn't give humans wings. . . .
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Skyz on December 31, 2013, 07:01:33 am
Why dont they teach us the Emu war in school? xD
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Willhelm on December 31, 2013, 11:54:31 am
The biggest failure in history was when evolution didn't give humans wings. . . .

What are planes?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Noodlenrice on January 01, 2014, 04:39:56 am
The great Emu war. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War)

Well the Aussies haven't fought anyone since WWII (Well, Aboriginals, but that isn't a fair fight) so they may as well glorify hunting.

Not after ww2, but

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-m8hG-aUR9RQ%2FTd_ZJ0lGwVI%2FAAAAAAAAADA%2FBeDzZD6r3yA%2Fs1600%2F1306499227365.jpg&hash=c4907ac70cbf7d32ec5517f3cf2fb477b28c3a84)

Their dignity and the description of the events are hilarious. The commander claimed they were Zulus because of their maneuverability
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: GodsonGuys on January 03, 2014, 10:52:56 am
What great display of Aussie Military Power.


AUS', C*NTS!


See.. this is why Australia is only good for Peace-keeping, nothing else.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on January 03, 2014, 07:06:39 pm
Does anyone know what documentory my left signature comes from? I know it's the Italian war of independence and it's Austria vs France but I can't find it. Any help?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Crusader on January 03, 2014, 07:21:38 pm
Biggest failure:

Carrhae

'nuff said
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Millander on January 03, 2014, 10:19:31 pm
Britain trying to tell the 13 colonies to pay taxes.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2014, 10:26:53 pm
Because asking taxes from your citizens is sooo weird.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Hawke on January 03, 2014, 10:34:21 pm
Britain trying to tell the 13 colonies to pay taxes.
Funny because the people actually living in Britain got taxed a lot more.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2014, 10:36:45 pm
Let's not forget the British system was corrupt as fuck, so let's not pretend the system in the Americas was any less.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Hawke on January 03, 2014, 10:40:40 pm
Was? ::)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2014, 10:53:30 pm
Because asking taxes from your citizens is sooo weird.

Because everyone knows that was the only reason for the revolution.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/revolutionarywar/a/amer_revolution.htm
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2014, 10:59:36 pm
I wasn't claiming that, was I?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2014, 11:00:19 pm
Ye! To the stretching racks!
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2014, 11:04:11 pm
Objection, your honour. That doesn't even make sense.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on January 03, 2014, 11:12:40 pm
The American Revolution is weird as hell. I mean I understand why people wanted to have representation in the English Parliament, but none of Britain's other colonies got it.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2014, 11:16:19 pm
The American Revolution is weird as hell. I mean I understand why people wanted to have representation in the English Parliament, but none of Britain's other colonies got it.

The other British colonies were submissive pansies with a hate of freedom! You can tell because America is the freest country in the world. See, we're on par with great countries like Argentina... and South Africa... and Honduras...

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blatantworld.com%2Ffeature_pics%2F2009_press_freedom_index.gif&hash=111f86f1119f8f3dbd64f95bd2bf828ab22b279c)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on January 03, 2014, 11:20:24 pm
Objection, your honour. That doesn't even make sense.

The American Revolution is weird as hell. I mean I understand why people wanted to have representation in the English Parliament, but none of Britain's other colonies got it.
all i can say is "because it's Merica!!!"
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Millander on January 04, 2014, 05:39:14 am
The American Revolution is weird as hell. I mean I understand why people wanted to have representation in the English Parliament, but none of Britain's other colonies got it.

Because the 13 colonies were white
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: AntonioTheWorstAtMelee on January 04, 2014, 07:05:49 am
The American Revolution is weird as hell. I mean I understand why people wanted to have representation in the English Parliament, but none of Britain's other colonies got it.

Because the 13 colonies were white

yep
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on January 06, 2014, 12:02:43 am
The American Revolution is weird as hell. I mean I understand why people wanted to have representation in the English Parliament, but none of Britain's other colonies got it.

Because the 13 colonies were white

Australia, New Zealand, Canada.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Menelaos on January 06, 2014, 04:07:24 am
South Africa isn't white enough for you?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Alan Watt on January 08, 2014, 01:36:36 am
Six-day war,

 i found it fun how Egypt, Syria and Jordan yelled about how they drive Israel to the sea and then they got ass kicked so hard that Israel soldiers boot were deep in their ass. ;D

It was great victory for Israel but epic scale failure for  United Arab Republic as their enemies were back then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Fungus on January 08, 2014, 07:20:24 am
War communism
It may have helped the Bolsheviks win the Russian civil war but at a tremendous cost
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 08, 2014, 10:28:21 am
The attack of Bergen op Zoom by the British in 1814. The entire assaultparty, thousands of men, all surrendered.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: George385 on January 12, 2014, 10:23:31 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War

a war against emus was lost by humans...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on January 15, 2014, 03:28:56 am
How about the Persian Gulf War?

Saddam: We will invade Kuwait!

*UN rolls up*

UN: Yeah, no

Saddam: Ha! We can take you!

And the rest is history.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gokiller on January 15, 2014, 01:59:11 pm
Thats not how it went lol.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: stylish on January 15, 2014, 02:00:19 pm
Wasn't Kuwait stealing Iraq's oil lol?

Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gokiller on January 15, 2014, 02:05:58 pm
They denied that they did something like that. However the Iraqies thought they did. Though even then, the Iraqies had a huge debt that they had to repay to Kuwait.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: stylish on January 15, 2014, 03:46:52 pm
They denied that they did something like that. However the Iraqies thought they did. Though even then, the Iraqies had a huge debt that they had to repay to Kuwait.

Aye, to speak in EU4 terms... Iraq had a good ''Casus Belli'' to go to war, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 15, 2014, 03:53:05 pm
They denied that they did something like that. However the Iraqies thought they did. Though even then, the Iraqies had a huge debt that they had to repay to Kuwait.

Aye, to speak in EU4 terms... Iraq had a good ''Casus Belli'' to go to war, that's for sure.

Casus Belli is a real term used in politics, not just EU4...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: stylish on January 15, 2014, 04:01:36 pm
No shit sherlock.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 15, 2014, 04:04:37 pm
No shit sherlock.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmemecrunch.com%2Fmeme%2FYXP6%2Fno-problem-bro%2Fimage.png&hash=f08e3b4af86d0ab63c0bebdb3981e5831338fab8)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: stylish on January 15, 2014, 04:19:11 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20121215001920%2Fglee%2Fimages%2F4%2F48%2FOlive-thumbs-up.gif&hash=3b4a2d1ccde8720f6287aeee422bfe23c3f5f714)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on January 19, 2014, 10:41:54 pm
They denied that they did something like that. However the Iraqies thought they did. Though even then, the Iraqies had a huge debt that they had to repay to Kuwait.

Aye, to speak in EU4 terms... Iraq had a good ''Casus Belli'' to go to war, that's for sure.

The Iraqis also wanted to take Kuwait because traditionally it was Iraqi territory, the Brits had mad it it's own nation. So they also had an "Acquire Core" Casus Belli.

It mainly had to do with Saddam being a power hungry madman.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 19, 2014, 11:06:30 pm
Unfortunatly the Gulf War is basically a replay of WW2 on a smaller scale, but this time they were stopped in Poland (Kuwait).
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 20, 2014, 12:30:08 am
Kuwait...Kurwa...Yeah, seems legit.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 20, 2014, 01:28:50 am
Kuwait...Kurwa...Yeah, seems legit.

Kurwa it... Kurwait...  I can see where this is going.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on January 20, 2014, 01:33:28 am
Did somebody say, "whore?"
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 20, 2014, 05:34:48 am
Did somebody say, "whore?"

That's the history of Kuwait for you ::)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on January 20, 2014, 05:44:17 am
That, and "Kurwa" is Polish for "whore."
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 20, 2014, 06:06:18 am
That, and "Kurwa" is Polish for "whore."

We know ;) :P
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: kpetschulat on January 20, 2014, 01:30:16 pm
We is speculative, since I doubt most people knew that...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on January 20, 2014, 03:35:11 pm
We is speculative, since I doubt most people knew that...
No, really. Most people know that, and they also know that it is also used to say "shit!" for example.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 20, 2014, 05:10:48 pm
We is speculative, since I doubt most people knew that...

I'm pretty sure people do, considering it's the entirety of the joke ::)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: George385 on January 21, 2014, 03:26:47 am
no one else is finding the great emu war one of the most biggest failures?

its a war against birds that cant even fly... and it was lost by humans...
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on January 21, 2014, 10:36:05 am
they ran out of ammo.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 21, 2014, 01:46:02 pm
As far as I know, no peace treaty was signed, which means the Emu war is still raging on.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: joer5835 on January 21, 2014, 02:33:25 pm
Emu Wars Episode V: the Humans Strike back
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 21, 2014, 02:34:10 pm
My heart goes out to those poor emu freedom fighters, and to all Australians caught in the war zone, god bless them.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: GoldenEagle on January 21, 2014, 05:26:50 pm
It was harsh times indeed. My grandfather killed 11 emu's before being stabbed to death.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on January 21, 2014, 05:28:20 pm
Must have been terrifying

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-hqOnU1crOHU%2FUgieUDmkRjI%2FAAAAAAAACbo%2FwG7Z7WCr-ag%2Fs1600%2FweRob%252BLoznak%252BphotosEmu.jpg&hash=975b0ca235e5f9dba09606ba9285ceb430bb144a)
[close]

The Aussies should have won if they had this guy. He could have sneaked up to them

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyNncvIrz8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 21, 2014, 05:43:16 pm
God, those things are ugly.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: TORN on January 21, 2014, 06:36:57 pm
no one else is finding the great emu war one of the most biggest failures?

its a war against birds that cant even fly... and it was lost by humans...
this war has been said in this thread a dozen times by now. So yeah alot of people find it a failure :p
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on January 21, 2014, 08:23:04 pm
The Winter War.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: George385 on January 22, 2014, 05:45:33 am
ah, i didnt know that.

anyway, another one, a Roman emperor, cant remember who it was, declared war on the sea, and as a bonus, ordered his soldiers to collect every single sea shell on all the beaches that Rome controlled, there was a reason behind it but i cant remember what it was but it was something insane.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on January 22, 2014, 07:27:52 am
ah, i didnt know that.

anyway, another one, a Roman emperor, cant remember who it was, declared war on the sea, and as a bonus, ordered his soldiers to collect every single sea shell on all the beaches that Rome controlled, there was a reason behind it but i cant remember what it was but it was something insane.
Caligula. 
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittenburg
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 22, 2014, 07:48:15 am
He also made his horse a senator  ;D
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Prince_Eugen on January 22, 2014, 07:52:03 am
Nero

Nah, i dont even want to go deep why he raised the army of prostitues to fight the rebellion against him.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Noodlenrice on January 22, 2014, 11:59:24 pm
Nero

Nah, i dont even want to go deep why he raised the army of prostitues to fight the rebellion against him.
Please tell
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gokiller on January 23, 2014, 10:05:47 am
Please google  :-*
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: AdamOr on January 23, 2014, 08:51:39 pm
I think one of the biggest failures in history was overthrow Mohammad Mosaddegh's government orchestrated by CIA and MI6. This coup d'état showed Arabs that democracy and freedom means nothing if they conflict with interests of the West. The overthrow of a democratically elected government is unacceptable for me.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on January 23, 2014, 10:53:57 pm
I think one of the biggest failures in history was overthrow Mohammad Mosaddegh's government orchestrated by CIA and MI6. This coup d'état showed Arabs that democracy and freedom means nothing if they conflict with interests of the West. The overthrow of a democratically elected government is unacceptable for me.
I hope that you're not talking about the Iranians when you say "Arabs", because Iranians are not arab at all.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Hawke on January 23, 2014, 11:05:09 pm
Everyone who isn't American is an Arab.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on January 23, 2014, 11:13:25 pm
Except the Jews.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Gizmo on January 23, 2014, 11:13:54 pm
And the Asians.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 23, 2014, 11:14:00 pm
Everyone who isn't American is an Arab.

Except Mexicans and Russians, thats about how much geography they teach in American schools.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on January 24, 2014, 01:24:10 am
I think one of the biggest failures in history was overthrow Mohammad Mosaddegh's government orchestrated by CIA and MI6. This coup d'état showed Arabs that democracy and freedom means nothing if they conflict with interests of the West. The overthrow of a democratically elected government is unacceptable for me.

And people wonder why the Iranians hate the US...

I mean FFS people, they know what we did. They know what Operation Ajax was. This action alone basically turned the entire Middle East against the US in some way shape or form.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: AdamOr on January 24, 2014, 06:49:18 am
Sorry for my mistake, but I mean all Muslims and I used the wrong word. Returning to Mossadegh, Operation Ajax is one of the main reasons why Muslims hate America, but reason this operation is the funniest. CIA and MI6 overthrew him, because legally, with the permission of the International Court of Justice in The Hague, nationalized the petroleum companies in Iran. In my opinion, a British and American intervention in the internal affairs of Iran was inadmissible, in particular, that Mossadegh was a popular prime minister, not a dictator.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Prince_Eugen on January 24, 2014, 08:25:26 am
Trust me, if there were no oil there, 'Murica wouldnt notice him. It's natural for them.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 28, 2014, 12:32:04 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F4%2F47%2FGeorge_lawrence_price.jpg&hash=d9a1c9c00cd77af125c47875a7ad4fc6c6400541)
This is George Lawrence Price.
He died at 10:58am on November 11th 1918 somewhere in Belgium when a German sharpshooter got him shot. The bullet hit him hear his heart.
The Truce between the Allies/Entente and the Central Powers came into effect at 11:00am.

I don't want to make fun of this poor guy, but I list him here because it's really bad luck if you get shot in the last 2 minutes of a war.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Wismar on January 28, 2014, 03:03:57 pm
That's depressing as fack.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on January 28, 2014, 05:11:06 pm
Remember generals threw tens of thousands of troops at each other during and after the signing of the armistice.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Jelly on January 28, 2014, 08:51:16 pm
ur moms condom1!! ooo1!!!
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Hawke on January 28, 2014, 11:14:39 pm
U wot Jelly m8?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Hadhod on February 16, 2014, 04:53:49 pm
Surprised no one named it yet: General Custer's attack with roughly 600 men against the combined forces of Lakota, Cheyenne and Arapaho natives at Little Bighorn

Battle of Jena and Auerstedt. Prussians fucked up big time there  :'(
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Turin Turambar on February 23, 2014, 04:40:24 pm
The Sea Battle of Lissa during the 3rd Italian War of Independence.

To make it short: The Italian forces were made of modern ironclads and cruisers while the Austrian fleet had mainly gunboats and only 7 ironclads with 48-pounders instead of breech-loading howitzers like the Italians had them.
The proportion was 28 Italian ships vs 26 Austrian ships.
In the beginning the two fleets were only changing shells over a large distance. The Austrians were not able to fracture the Italian platings and the Italins just did not strike anything (the hit rate for the Italians:Austrians was 1:10). Only a one-hit wonder appeared when the Austrian Kapitän von Moll lost his head. Then the Austrian admiral Wilhelm von Tegetthoff ordered to attack and, if possible, ramm the enemied ships in close combat.
During the whole battle not even one Italian commander knew where the admiral Persano was because he changed his flagship shortly before the battle but forgot to tell anyone.
In the end the Austrians had 38 dead soldiers while the Italians lost 2 ironclads and 660 men.

But this was only the military fail. For the emerging Italy it was unacceptable that the glorious nation had lost a seabattle against the antiquated Hapsburg monarchy. That's why the authorities just denied any defeat and soon the newspapers were full of reports about the Italian victory of Lissa where the Austrian fleet had lost 2, 4 or even 8 ships with 700, sometimes 1500 killed enemies. The biggest jubilation was caused by the "sinking of the SMS Kaiser" which was disproved by Tegetthoff a few days later when he organized a banquet on the "sunken Kaiser" for foreign diplomats and military attaches.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 21, 2014, 08:11:28 pm
i forgot this existed....


hmm.

Good to see people have following up with it I suppose.

The Sea Battle of Lissa during the 3rd Italian War of Independence.

To make it short: The Italian forces were made of modern ironclads and cruisers while the Austrian fleet had mainly gunboats and only 7 ironclads with 48-pounders instead of breech-loading howitzers like the Italians had them.
The proportion was 28 Italian ships vs 26 Austrian ships.
In the beginning the two fleets were only changing shells over a large distance. The Austrians were not able to fracture the Italian platings and the Italins just did not strike anything (the hit rate for the Italians:Austrians was 1:10). Only a one-hit wonder appeared when the Austrian Kapitän von Moll lost his head. Then the Austrian admiral Wilhelm von Tegetthoff ordered to attack and, if possible, ramm the enemied ships in close combat.
During the whole battle not even one Italian commander knew where the admiral Persano was because he changed his flagship shortly before the battle but forgot to tell anyone.
In the end the Austrians had 38 dead soldiers while the Italians lost 2 ironclads and 660 men.

But this was only the military fail. For the emerging Italy it was unacceptable that the glorious nation had lost a seabattle against the antiquated Hapsburg monarchy. That's why the authorities just denied any defeat and soon the newspapers were full of reports about the Italian victory of Lissa where the Austrian fleet had lost 2, 4 or even 8 ships with 700, sometimes 1500 killed enemies. The biggest jubilation was caused by the "sinking of the SMS Kaiser" which was disproved by Tegetthoff a few days later when he organized a banquet on the "sunken Kaiser" for foreign diplomats and military attaches.
Ah Italy...second to Austria in military failures in my personal opinion.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Jorvasker on March 25, 2014, 08:13:18 pm
America has pretty much been one huge failure since the 1950's
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: The Respected Man on March 25, 2014, 08:16:29 pm
America is pretty much just one huge failure.
Hence why it has the largest GDP.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 25, 2014, 08:25:20 pm
America has pretty much been one huge failure since the 1950's
U wot m8?

We brought FREEEDOM to:
IRAQI OIL

KOREAN GANGAM STYLE

VIETNAMESE

CANADIAN BACON

RUSSIA

AAAAAMMMMMMUUUUURRRRRRRIIIIIICCCCCAAAAA

AFGANISTERN

KUWAITI OIL

JUDENLAND
AND

THE SAUSAGE EATERZ
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Kator Viridian on March 26, 2014, 08:06:15 pm
America has pretty much been one huge failure since the 1950's
U wot m8?

We brought FREEEDOM to:
IRAQI OIL

KOREAN GANGAM STYLE

VIETNAMESE

CANADIAN BACON

RUSSIA

AAAAAMMMMMMUUUUURRRRRRRIIIIIICCCCCAAAAA

AFGANISTERN

KUWAITI OIL

JUDENLAND
AND

THE SAUSAGE EATERZ

Just gonna cross that one off the list ... pretty simple reason why ... just no.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 27, 2014, 01:08:04 am
America has pretty much been one huge failure since the 1950's
U wot m8?

We brought FREEEDOM to:
IRAQI OIL

KOREAN GANGAM STYLE

VIETNAMESE

CANADIAN BACON

RUSSIA

AAAAAMMMMMMUUUUURRRRRRRIIIIIICCCCCAAAAA

AFGANISTERN

KUWAITI OIL

JUDENLAND
AND

THE SAUSAGE EATERZ

Just gonna cross that one off the list ... pretty simple reason why ... just no.
OF ALL THE THINGS on that list...you crossed out Canadian Bacon?

Shows where your priorities are m8. As a red-blooded, god-fearing American, I believe that it is our divine duty to liberate all oppressed peoples of the world with the most natural resources.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: GoldenEagle on March 28, 2014, 02:30:42 pm
America has pretty much been one huge failure since the 1950's
U wot m8?

We brought FREEEDOM to:
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KOREAN GANGAM STYLE

VIETNAMESE

CANADIAN BACON

RUSSIA

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AFGANISTERN

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AND

THE SAUSAGE EATERZ

Just gonna cross that one off the list ... pretty simple reason why ... just no.
OF ALL THE THINGS on that list...you crossed out Canadian Bacon?

Shows where your priorities are m8. As a red-blooded, god-fearing American, I believe that it is our divine duty to liberate all oppressed peoples of the world with the most natural resources.

made me lol
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 28, 2014, 04:02:56 pm
I'm happy my sweg could help.


Now for a battle:

This ones well know so i won't bother explaining it too much.
The Battle of Cannae. That cocky bastard Varro thinks he can just march his legions in a crowded checkerboard formation? He doesn't think any of the following:
-Paullus is my elder and therefore a bit wiser, maybe I should listen to him
-My men are so tightly packed together that they can barely move my arms
-Roman cavalry won't stand a chance against Numidian
-Hannibal has defeated all forces and consuls before me (all of which had larger armies and use almost the same strategy), maybe I should approach with caution.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2014, 04:09:24 pm
The Battle of Marignano was fought during the phase of the Italian Wars (1494–1559) called the War of the League of Cambrai, between France and the Old Swiss Confederacy. It took place on September 13 and 15, 1515, near the town today called Melegnano, 16 km southeast of Milan. It resulted in a victory for French forces.

It pitted the French army, composed of the best armored lancers and artillery in Europe and led by Francis I, newly crowned king of France and a day past his 21st birthday, against the Old Swiss Confederacy. With Francis were some German landsknechts, bitter rivals of the Swiss for fame and renown in war, and arriving late his Venetian allies.

The battle ended once and for all Swiss aspirations in Milan, and the Swiss Confederacy never again went to war against France or Milan. In fact, the Confederacy never went to war again at all after declaring neutrality in 1525, and (apart from the conquest of Vaud by the canton of Berne acting on its own in the 1530s) there never was any Swiss military offensive against an external enemy again. Swiss historiography[citation needed] has tended to attribute this to the "lesson learned" at Marignano, but[citation needed] at least as effective was the division created by the Swiss Reformation in the 1520s, dividing the Confederacy into two factions which would be occupied with internal hostilities throughout the period of the European Wars of Religion, as well as a number of painful defeats of Swiss mercenary regiments in the decade between 1515 and 1525 (at Bicocca, Sesia and Pavia).



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Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Ililsa on March 29, 2014, 09:28:26 pm
This ones well know so i won't bother explaining it too much.
The Battle of Cannae. That cocky bastard Varro thinks he can just march his legions in a crowded checkerboard formation? He doesn't think any of the following:

Makes perfect sense for the Romans to use their checkerboard, maniple based army. It's what enabled their acquisition of Greece five years after the Second Punic War. It was flexible and a pretty good way to use their forces.

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-Paullus is my elder and therefore a bit wiser, maybe I should listen to him

Paullus wanted to delay the battle. The Romans weren't a fan of that, Fabius was massively unpopular for his strategies that actually worked, and Hannibal specifically baited Varro when it was his day to command the army.

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-My men are so tightly packed together that they can barely move my arms

Hannibal's doing, technically. The Roman force was very concentrated on breaking his weak centre, which was gradually falling back and forcing the Romans closer together, all the while Hannibal's more experienced troops were pushing the flanks in and forcing the Romans ever closer, until their usually flexible formation became a blob of men being crushed together.

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-Roman cavalry won't stand a chance against Numidian

They probably would. The Numidians were pretty much a diversion whilst the Hispanic and Gallic cavalry were involved in the heavier cavalry fighting.

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-Hannibal has defeated all forces and consuls before me (all of which had larger armies and use almost the same strategy), maybe I should approach with caution.

None of which had larger armies. Rome had never fielded an army as large as the one at Cannae, an impetuous commander could easily assume that their 86,000 men could sweep anything from the field.

In a bigger sense, Hannibal is the failure for not using the victory to take Rome apart one stone at a time. It was the only way they'd win the war.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on March 30, 2014, 03:50:36 am
In a bigger sense, Hannibal is the failure for not using the victory to take Rome apart one stone at a time. It was the only way they'd win the war.
Hannibal really couldn't continue and attack Rome after Cannae due to the massive loses that occurred during the battle. Also it didn't help that Hannibal wanted to dishearten Rome enough for them to sue for peace.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Ililsa on March 30, 2014, 04:33:08 am
Also it didn't help that Hannibal wanted to dishearten Rome enough for them to sue for peace.

Probably fair to assume that he wasn't aware that they were too batshit insane to make peace, even after a defeat of that magnitude, yeah.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on March 30, 2014, 04:38:59 am
Also it didn't help that Hannibal wanted to dishearten Rome enough for them to sue for peace.

Probably fair to assume that he wasn't aware that they were too batshit insane to make peace, even after a defeat of that magnitude, yeah.

They were crazy. No one could've predicted that.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: William on March 30, 2014, 04:52:31 am
Hitler commanding the German army and making all the decisions.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 31, 2014, 06:38:46 pm
Heil hitler
Also it didn't help that Hannibal wanted to dishearten Rome enough for them to sue for peace.

Probably fair to assume that he wasn't aware that they were too batshit insane to make peace, even after a defeat of that magnitude, yeah.

They were crazy. No one could've predicted that.
Ah....Rome's batshit crazy nationalism
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Joker11 on March 31, 2014, 08:35:18 pm
Pickets charge in the civil war bless my lost brothers  :'(Would also like to add Ney charge at waterloo
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 10:26:19 pm
Ney's charge at Waterloo wasn't the catastrophe it has always been depicted as. Ney became the victim of pro-Napoleon historians who tried to find as many excuses as they could find why it wasn't Napoleons fault that Waterloo was lost. Ney was dead, so he couldn't defend himself.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Erik le Rouge on March 31, 2014, 10:30:07 pm
Ney's charge wasn't as much of a fail as it is described. His biggest mistake was not to bring infantry to support the horsemen fighting the British squares.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Matthew on March 31, 2014, 10:31:00 pm
The 60th.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Archduke Sven on March 31, 2014, 10:45:48 pm
Ney's charge wasn't as much of a fail as it is described. His biggest mistake was not to bring infantry to support the horsemen fighting the British squares.


That wasnt hus mistake either, the Young Guard brigades were supposed to accompany the cavalry but they were sent to Plancenoit to meet the Prussians at the last moment.

The 60th.

fk off, 1000 pages is an accomplishment
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 10:58:19 pm
That wasnt hus mistake either, the Young Guard brigades were supposed to accompany the cavalry but they were sent to Plancenoit to meet the Prussians at the last moment.

I fail to see how 4.000 infantryman could have made much of a difference.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Joker11 on April 01, 2014, 03:04:54 pm
Well also Neys cavalry did not spike the cannons either  :'(
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on April 01, 2014, 03:09:25 pm
Not that there were any hammers and spikes available for the cavalry in the Army of the North.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Menelaos on April 02, 2014, 05:12:58 am
Hitler commanding the German army and making all the decisions.

How is this a failure? It got them pretty far. There's never any blaming Stalin for Red Army fuck-ups because there was never evidence compiled against him.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on April 02, 2014, 05:21:13 am
Hitler commanding the German army and making all the decisions.

How is this a failure? It got them pretty far. There's never any blaming Stalin for Red Army fuck-ups because there was never evidence compiled against him.

History is written by the victor.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: William on April 02, 2014, 05:37:07 am
Hitler commanding the German army and making all the decisions.

How is this a failure? It got them pretty far. There's never any blaming Stalin for Red Army fuck-ups because there was never evidence compiled against him.
I'm mostly referring to places where Hitler could have turned a victory into a major victory or turned a defeat into a victory, for example, he could have destroyed the British Army at Dunkirk completely, rather, he decided to wait for German army and artillery before he assaulted, the battle of Kursk was delayed because Hitler personally wanted heavy tiger tanks to be in the assault giving the Russians even more time to prepare defenses, or the Battle of the Bulge. Although somewhat effective in theory, it simply wouldn't work with allied air power. It was predicted that Germany could have held out for at least 5-6 more months if they hadn't had committed so much man power and resources to the attack. which could have caused the morale of the allied forces to wane from fighting so long, losing so many men, and being relatively raw compared to a German Army that has been fighting for over 6 years and with veterans being distributed with raw recruits to create more cohesion.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Jelly on April 05, 2014, 06:17:54 pm
The K-KA.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Skipper on April 06, 2014, 12:13:38 pm
Crimean war for the British. Charge of the light brigade was the famous cock-up but the fact that the government was so aristocratic that they refused to supply the army without paper work, causing mass spread of disease in the camps, that was just as bad.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Josef Lenin on April 07, 2014, 03:10:49 am
Crimean war for the British. Charge of the light brigade was the famous cock-up but the fact that the government was so aristocratic that they refused to supply the army without paper work, causing mass spread of disease in the camps, that was just as bad.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Aiello on April 07, 2014, 02:36:46 pm
Crimean war for the British. Charge of the light brigade was the famous cock-up but the fact that the government was so aristocratic that they refused to supply the army without paper work, causing mass spread of disease in the camps, that was just as bad.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Skipper on April 07, 2014, 02:45:36 pm
why are we doing this?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Toffee on April 13, 2014, 12:00:36 pm
Mussolini was a journalist, politician and leader of the national fascist party in Italy from 1922 until 1943. His biggest failure was taking a country that was not prepared to war. He had a vision of a "New Roman empire". In order to achieve his goals he allied with Nazi Germany as he believed that the allies were close to collapse. Thousands of Italians died attempting to carve out Mussolini's dream. He gained virtually no land and one of his only victories came against the kingdom of albania. Mussolini also greatly underestimated the Greeks and what was expected to be a quick victory turned into a hard battle until Germany intervened and crushed the Greeks. When the allies invaded the Italians turned against Mussolini and executed him.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 16, 2014, 11:21:25 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes

All of this, over a keg of freakin Schnapps.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on April 16, 2014, 11:24:59 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes

All of this, over a keg of freakin Schnapps.
Boozes are important to war. Like bagpipes to the Scottish. Or swearing to the Scottish. Or violence.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Commissar Jdf on April 16, 2014, 11:28:00 pm
George Bush's presidency
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Nitishajack on April 20, 2014, 08:13:08 am
The nuclear bombings of japan in ww2. The cold war.Just paranoia on both sides.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on April 20, 2014, 04:03:42 pm
The nuclearAtomic bombings of japan in ww2. The cold war.Just paranoia on both sides.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on April 20, 2014, 06:25:19 pm
The nuclear bombings of japan in ww2. The cold war.Just paranoia on both sides.
The fear was understandable and the insanity could be considered logical. Its human nature to fear your neighbor
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Killington on April 21, 2014, 03:03:48 am
The nuclearAtomic bombings of japan in ww2. The cold war.Just paranoia on both sides.
Fixed.
Didn't those atomic bombs use nuclear fission?
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on April 21, 2014, 03:29:27 am
The nuclearAtomic bombings of japan in ww2. The cold war.Just paranoia on both sides.
Fixed.
Didn't those atomic bombs use nuclear fission?
Correct. Atomic use fission and Hydrogen use Fusion.
Nuclear is more of an umbrella term though it is most often used for Hydrogen bombs.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Killington on April 21, 2014, 03:34:38 am
The nuclearAtomic bombings of japan in ww2. The cold war.Just paranoia on both sides.
Fixed.
Didn't those atomic bombs use nuclear fission?
Correct. Hydrogen use Fusion.
Nuclear is more of an umbrella term though it is most often used for Hydrogen bombs.
Still nuclear though, so you could say that nuclear bombs were used at Hiroshima. :P
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on April 21, 2014, 03:36:28 am
The nuclearAtomic bombings of japan in ww2. The cold war.Just paranoia on both sides.
Fixed.
Didn't those atomic bombs use nuclear fission?
Correct. Hydrogen use Fusion.
Nuclear is more of an umbrella term though it is most often used for Hydrogen bombs.
Still nuclear though, so you could say that nuclear bombs were used at Hiroshima. :P
A bit more clarification is always helpful I think.  ;)
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on April 21, 2014, 11:07:54 am
I still can't understand why people think the throwing of the atomic bombs on Japan was bad. It saved millions of lives; American, Japs and Soviets and shortened the war by potentially years. As much as Japan was in ruins after the war, an invasion would have been much, much more devastating and the Japanese simply didn't know the word surrender. Let's not forget that even after the Atomic Bombs had been dropped, the entire Japanese War Cabined voted to continue the war; It was the emperor that made an end to it.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Augy on April 21, 2014, 11:53:26 am
I still can't understand why people think the throwing of the atomic bombs on Japan was bad. It saved millions of lives; American, Japs and Soviets and shortened the war by potentially years. As much as Japan was in ruins after the war, an invasion would have been much, much more devastating and the Japanese simply didn't know the word surrender. Let's not forget that even after the Atomic Bombs had been dropped, the entire Japanese War Cabined voted to continue the war; It was the emperor that made an end to it.

It was still a crime against humanity. The big problem i also have with the "we had to drop the bomb to make Japan surrender" argument is that Japan was already in the process of surrendering. They wanted to keep the emperor at all costs.  The US kept pressing for an unconditional surrender but in the end let Japan keep the emperor anyway.

The actual reasons for dropping the bomb were to test nuclear bombs on real targets and see the effects, showing off the new toys to the rest of the world and making them afraid. Possibly the biggest reason was to show the USSR who the new boss was and to keep them out of Japan so they surrendered to the US and not USSR in order to stop it from becoming a stalinist puppetstate.

Japan was already firebombed the fuck out and their surrender and defeat were inevitable.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on April 21, 2014, 12:15:22 pm
There was indeed a political argument to throw the bomb (Look commies, we got bomba!) but Japan could not be allowed to just sign a peace treaty and carry on. They had too many warcrimes on their head, and even after the bombs were thrown, the Japanese got the Americans so far to not prosecute the emperor - Which pissed off an awful lot of Europeans.

As horrible as the use was, I really don't see how another year of fighting, bombing and suffering is anymore better then the two weakest atomic bombs we ever had.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Barnesy on April 21, 2014, 12:34:11 pm
Say what you think the biggest failures in history were. They can be events, people, nations, laws, battles, etc. Don't make your decisions based off race, nationality, or just plain idiotic grounds.


For me:
The Austrian Empire
Why: Battle of Karánsebes. That's why

Putting an idiot like General Whitelocke in charge of a British force at Buenos Ayres
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Skipper on April 21, 2014, 12:37:27 pm
Whether the bomb had been dropped or not, there would have been lots of civilian casualties. The thing that gets me is a lack of understanding of how it is one of histories biggest failures? To fail means for something to not work or to not go as planned. The US got the results they wanted and thus it was not a failure. Perhaps a disaster for Japan? But not a failure.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on April 26, 2014, 02:28:30 am
Me being the fountain of neutrality will just say this about the bomb:

Was it horrible? Absolutely. Yet it is no different than the fire bombings these powers did to each other for years (Dresden) and it is no more militarily "immoral" than aerial power itself. And just like the Red Scares, it is easy for us people of the present (with no actual stress invested into the situation) to say "of course japan would surrender if Americans and Russians invaded". Also, we would probably see the same, if not more, the amount of death just extended over months/years of fire bombings and mountainous fighting. Hiroshima and Nagasaki basically created that amount of death in a few seconds rather than a few months.  Am I against nuclear weaponry and the aftermath of this bomb? Absolutely. Do I think it was immoral? Yes but no more immoral than the conventional side of the war and humanity in general.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Kator Viridian on April 27, 2014, 10:44:38 pm
"You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"

Charles VIII of France death.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: William on April 27, 2014, 10:48:09 pm
Looking at the war like this, extend it and causes millions of causalities, or do your best to end it quickly with far less causalities on both sides.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Friedrich on April 30, 2014, 10:45:52 am
The intention of dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not to save lives, it was to save G.I.s lives. US command didn't care about enemy lives as long they can save their own (-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa ). US government feared a big war exhaustion after too much casualties.
And every bombing on civilians is war crime, not only atomic bombing. Btw, the conventional Operation Meetinghouse in Tokyo was more devastating then Hiroshima or Nagasaki (-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo ).
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Duuring on April 30, 2014, 11:39:42 am
If you wanna talk warcrimes, the Japanese don't really have a clean sheet to begin with. Of course the Americans cared more about their own men lives. Doesn't change the fact that conventional warfare would have laid Japan in ruins and the Japanese populace destroyed.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Friedrich on April 30, 2014, 11:46:59 am
With my last 2 sentences I was just responding to Augys comment. I don't deny any warcrimes made by any party.
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Coconut on April 30, 2014, 02:24:21 pm
My parents told me I was their biggest failure because I was a mistake :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Colonel Howe on April 30, 2014, 02:25:19 pm
My parents told me I was their biggest failure because I was a mistake :'( :'( :'( :'(
Here's the twist: I am your parents
Title: Re: Biggest Failures in History!
Post by: Bruin on April 30, 2014, 07:47:09 pm
If you wanna talk warcrimes, the Japanese don't really have a clean sheet to begin with. Of course the Americans cared more about their own men lives. Doesn't change the fact that conventional warfare would have laid Japan in ruins and the Japanese populace destroyed.
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