[New Name]The War of 1809

[KillerMongoose]

1809? Add the French 112th Line Infantry "The Victors of Raab"

[BSM 'Shut up' Williams]

Hey Toma I sent you with all the pictures of Duchy Of Warsaw Units next to send you the Info on them.   

Why would you include the UK if the mod isn't to include the Peninsular War?

If it's set during the War of the Fifth Coalition, you'd logically want to replace Russia, Prussia and the UK with Warsaw, Italy and the Rheinbund.

Indeed, he is right. 

[Duuring]

1809? Add the French 112th Line Infantry "The Victors of Raab"

With their awesome standard uniform :p

And he, why does everybody forget about the Walcheren expedition? 40.000 British soldiers on France's doorstep, is quite something IMO.

[TomaHawkAU]

At the moment the 2 factions we are looking at is Austria and France but we dont have any pictures of austrian troops so.....

[Van_Hulstein]

Good luck with the mod 

[James Grant]

At the moment the 2 factions we are looking at is Austria and France but we dont have any pictures of austrian troops so.....

Well...

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1. Jäger, service dress, 1809. The Jägers were nicknamed 'grey devils' from their pike grey uniform. Their equipment included a powder horn with green cords, and a cartridge box belt with a ring fitting in which the ramrod of the rifle could be carried, to hasten the process of loading by being conveniently at hand instead of being returned to the pipes under the barrel between shots. A small mallet was carried on the side of the cartridge box, to hammer home any ball which became jammed in the rifling during loading. 2. Private, Grenz infantry. This illustration depicts the brown Grenz uniform which became universal in 1808, though the old white service dress seems to have been retained by some regiments until at least 1812. The pointed cuffs illustrated here lack the Bärentatzen lace of Hungarian regiments, though it does appear on some illustrations. Around 1790, in fact, one of the Grenz regiments wore round 'German' cuffs on their white service uniform- appropriately, the 12th (Deutschbanater)- at which period white breeches were worn with the white jacket. 3. Private, Hungarian Insurrectio. The old feudal levy or Insurrectio still existed in Hungary, though its effectiveness was always doubtful; in 1800 it refused to muster, and in 1805 it assembled only relucaantly, its second-in-command asserting that as Hungary was neutral in the war, it would not fight! The independently-minded Diet refused to introduce the Landwehr scheme in 1808, but pledged 60,000 members of the Insurrectio should war occur within five years. These comprised both infantry and hussars; the former wore tall black shakos bearing the national cockade, a blue, laced, 'spencer' with differently coloured distinctions, Hungarian breeches and high boots; equipment was of natural brown leather. 4. Private, Austro-German Legion, 1814. The 'German Legion' was raised in Prague in 1813 from German Bohemians and deserters from the Confederation of the Rhine; e.g. the two Westphalian hussar regiments which deserted to the Allies at Reichenberg were taken into the Legion. The corps was disbanded at Josephstadt after the end of the 1814 campaign. The infantry uniform (after a sketch by Joseph Adam Klein) consisted of a tall Korséhut with Austrian cockade and drooping plume, a sky blue jacket faced yellow, and white overalls (which are also shown tucked into short black gaiters).

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1. Hungarian fusilier, c. 1809. This figure illustrates two significant changes at about the time of the 1809 campaign. The jacket tails had the piping altered to two lines, with the turnbacks deepended to show a band of facing colour at the front. More importantly, the helmet has been replaced by the 1806 shako, which seems to have been issued to Hungarian regiments first (e.g. the 31st wore it at Aspern), with several varieties featuring in contemporary pictures. Georg Kininger, for example, shows a shako of regulation design, but with small peaks over the ears; and a Hungarian regiment with a cap more closely resembling the French type, worn by NCOs with a broader top and no rear peak, and apparently metal chinscales with circular bosses. 2. NCO with Colour, German fusiliers, c. 1809. This NCO wears the shako with double lace bands of Prima Plana rank. As a Colour bearer he carries no cartridge box, and is armed only with a sabre. The Colour, measuring 165 x 135 cm, is a Leibfähne with one white face and one yellow. The pike head bore the Emperor's cypher 'F.II', being an example of the continued use of the 1792 pattern of flag, which is believed to have been carried at this date by the unit whose pale grey facings and yellow buttons identify it as the 30th Regiment. Some regiments carried streamers or cravats tied below the pike head, e.g. white fringed with gold for the 14th Regiment, and white fringed red for the 39th. 3. Officer, German fusiliers, c. 1809. The officers' uniform post-1806 was like that worn earlier, with minor differences in the cut of the coat (especially in the turnback design), and the 1806 shako replacing the helmet. The cap illustrated has the two gold bands (or single band with black central line) which identified junior ranks, and the turned-up rear 'peak', though some contemporary sources show officers' shakos with an actual rear peak like those of the rank and file. Note the Feldzeichen (spray of foliage) worn behind the pompon. Despite a degree of standardisation after 1798, some latitude was still permitted in the design of officers' swords. 4. Officer, Hungarian fusiliers, c. 1809. This shows the Hungarian version of the uniform in figure 3, with the distinctive cuffs, legwear and sabre instead of the Degen or épée of German regiments. Turnbacks are shown in the facing colour, a feature contrary to regulations but one shown by contemporary pictures as well as reconstructions (such as those by Ottenfeld), indicating that some regiments (or individuals) were coloured turnbacks.

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1. Officer, Hungarian grenadiers, c. 1805. Featuring the distinctive Hungarian cuffs and breeches, this uniform is worn with Hungarian boots (though the 'German' boot could also be worn). The grenadier cap has the new peak added, and bears a plate with an irregular edge; the type with the Austrian arms upon the eagle's breast was replaced by one bearing 'F.I.' on the shield after the Emperor's change of title, and a variety of the latter with a regular edge was designed in 1806, though it is likely that all patterns continued in use throughout the period. 2. Drummer, German fusiliers, c. 1805. This figure wears 1798 uniform with drummers' distinctions. In this example, with laced wings and cuffs. Some German regiments appear to have used 'crenellated' rather than wavy-edged lace for drummers. The sabre is worn in a single frog (drummers having no bayonet), and the old pattern of knapsack is retained, presumably to allow the drum to be slung on the drummer's back on the march. Despite the change of cypher to 'F.I.' in 1804, the old helmet plate with 'F.II' is retained. 3. NCO, German grenadiers, c. 1805. This shows the later type of 'other ranks' grenadier cap, with a rear peak and small side projections, which were often concealed by the fur of the cap. The rear still retains the facing-coloured patch; the design of lace is taken from an extant example, though several other lace patterns are recorded. The only marks of NCO rank are the sword knot, and the cane, passing through a loop on the sword belt and suspended from a button on the jacket by its decorative wrist loop.

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1. Private, Styrian Landwehr, 'emergency' uniform, 1809. Issued in place of the regulation green jacket of the Styrian Landwehr, the makeshift uniform worn by privates was generally a single-breasted 'steel green' or grey coat with the regulation white collar and, apparently, grass green trim at the cuffs. The hat and legwear are basically civilian, the former with a green and white provincial cockade; black leather equipment and a canteen were issued, but knapsacks or haversacks had to be provided by the individual. The musket is a re-issued 1754 pattern. 2. Hauptmann, Styrian Landwehr, 1809. Contrasting with the makeshift uniform of their men, officers and NCOs were expected to wear regulation dress. This Hauptmann wears rank markings (unique in Austrian service) of three collar loops; note also that the sash was not worn. The sabre is the type used by grenadiers and Hungarians. 3. Jäger, Upper Austrian Landwehr, 1809. Composed of middle class volunteers- usually students, and foresters used to rifle shooting- the Jägers were the best (and best equipped) of the Landwehr. The man illustrated wears the grey uniform faced with red identifying Upper Austria, with full Jäger equipment if corded powder horn, 1795 pattern rifle, and long, broad-bladed socket bayonet. The 'Corsican hat' (Korséhut) with brass plate was similar to that ordered for the re-formed Landwehr in 1813. 4. Private, Bohemian Landwehr, 1809. The Bohemian Landwehr wore 'Hungarian' uniform of a brown 'spencer'-style jacket with red facings and braid, a round hat with black and yellow pompon, Hungarian breeches, high boots and black equipment. The Prague Student Corps wore similar dress plus a bicorn with a red-tipped white feather. The Prague city Landwehr had long, single-breasted brown coats with green collar, cuffs and piping; white breeches, black gaiters and equipment, and a shako with brass badge and black and yellow pompon. The man illustrated carries a 1784 musket.

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I don't have loads, but this is a start.

[TomaHawkAU]

At the moment the 2 factions we are looking at is Austria and France but we dont have any pictures of austrian troops so.....

Well...

Spoiler

1. Jäger, service dress, 1809. The Jägers were nicknamed 'grey devils' from their pike grey uniform. Their equipment included a powder horn with green cords, and a cartridge box belt with a ring fitting in which the ramrod of the rifle could be carried, to hasten the process of loading by being conveniently at hand instead of being returned to the pipes under the barrel between shots. A small mallet was carried on the side of the cartridge box, to hammer home any ball which became jammed in the rifling during loading. 2. Private, Grenz infantry. This illustration depicts the brown Grenz uniform which became universal in 1808, though the old white service dress seems to have been retained by some regiments until at least 1812. The pointed cuffs illustrated here lack the Bärentatzen lace of Hungarian regiments, though it does appear on some illustrations. Around 1790, in fact, one of the Grenz regiments wore round 'German' cuffs on their white service uniform- appropriately, the 12th (Deutschbanater)- at which period white breeches were worn with the white jacket. 3. Private, Hungarian Insurrectio. The old feudal levy or Insurrectio still existed in Hungary, though its effectiveness was always doubtful; in 1800 it refused to muster, and in 1805 it assembled only relucaantly, its second-in-command asserting that as Hungary was neutral in the war, it would not fight! The independently-minded Diet refused to introduce the Landwehr scheme in 1808, but pledged 60,000 members of the Insurrectio should war occur within five years. These comprised both infantry and hussars; the former wore tall black shakos bearing the national cockade, a blue, laced, 'spencer' with differently coloured distinctions, Hungarian breeches and high boots; equipment was of natural brown leather. 4. Private, Austro-German Legion, 1814. The 'German Legion' was raised in Prague in 1813 from German Bohemians and deserters from the Confederation of the Rhine; e.g. the two Westphalian hussar regiments which deserted to the Allies at Reichenberg were taken into the Legion. The corps was disbanded at Josephstadt after the end of the 1814 campaign. The infantry uniform (after a sketch by Joseph Adam Klein) consisted of a tall Korséhut with Austrian cockade and drooping plume, a sky blue jacket faced yellow, and white overalls (which are also shown tucked into short black gaiters).

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1. Hungarian fusilier, c. 1809. This figure illustrates two significant changes at about the time of the 1809 campaign. The jacket tails had the piping altered to two lines, with the turnbacks deepended to show a band of facing colour at the front. More importantly, the helmet has been replaced by the 1806 shako, which seems to have been issued to Hungarian regiments first (e.g. the 31st wore it at Aspern), with several varieties featuring in contemporary pictures. Georg Kininger, for example, shows a shako of regulation design, but with small peaks over the ears; and a Hungarian regiment with a cap more closely resembling the French type, worn by NCOs with a broader top and no rear peak, and apparently metal chinscales with circular bosses. 2. NCO with Colour, German fusiliers, c. 1809. This NCO wears the shako with double lace bands of Prima Plana rank. As a Colour bearer he carries no cartridge box, and is armed only with a sabre. The Colour, measuring 165 x 135 cm, is a Leibfähne with one white face and one yellow. The pike head bore the Emperor's cypher 'F.II', being an example of the continued use of the 1792 pattern of flag, which is believed to have been carried at this date by the unit whose pale grey facings and yellow buttons identify it as the 30th Regiment. Some regiments carried streamers or cravats tied below the pike head, e.g. white fringed with gold for the 14th Regiment, and white fringed red for the 39th. 3. Officer, German fusiliers, c. 1809. The officers' uniform post-1806 was like that worn earlier, with minor differences in the cut of the coat (especially in the turnback design), and the 1806 shako replacing the helmet. The cap illustrated has the two gold bands (or single band with black central line) which identified junior ranks, and the turned-up rear 'peak', though some contemporary sources show officers' shakos with an actual rear peak like those of the rank and file. Note the Feldzeichen (spray of foliage) worn behind the pompon. Despite a degree of standardisation after 1798, some latitude was still permitted in the design of officers' swords. 4. Officer, Hungarian fusiliers, c. 1809. This shows the Hungarian version of the uniform in figure 3, with the distinctive cuffs, legwear and sabre instead of the Degen or épée of German regiments. Turnbacks are shown in the facing colour, a feature contrary to regulations but one shown by contemporary pictures as well as reconstructions (such as those by Ottenfeld), indicating that some regiments (or individuals) were coloured turnbacks.

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1. Officer, Hungarian grenadiers, c. 1805. Featuring the distinctive Hungarian cuffs and breeches, this uniform is worn with Hungarian boots (though the 'German' boot could also be worn). The grenadier cap has the new peak added, and bears a plate with an irregular edge; the type with the Austrian arms upon the eagle's breast was replaced by one bearing 'F.I.' on the shield after the Emperor's change of title, and a variety of the latter with a regular edge was designed in 1806, though it is likely that all patterns continued in use throughout the period. 2. Drummer, German fusiliers, c. 1805. This figure wears 1798 uniform with drummers' distinctions. In this example, with laced wings and cuffs. Some German regiments appear to have used 'crenellated' rather than wavy-edged lace for drummers. The sabre is worn in a single frog (drummers having no bayonet), and the old pattern of knapsack is retained, presumably to allow the drum to be slung on the drummer's back on the march. Despite the change of cypher to 'F.I.' in 1804, the old helmet plate with 'F.II' is retained. 3. NCO, German grenadiers, c. 1805. This shows the later type of 'other ranks' grenadier cap, with a rear peak and small side projections, which were often concealed by the fur of the cap. The rear still retains the facing-coloured patch; the design of lace is taken from an extant example, though several other lace patterns are recorded. The only marks of NCO rank are the sword knot, and the cane, passing through a loop on the sword belt and suspended from a button on the jacket by its decorative wrist loop.

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1. Private, Styrian Landwehr, 'emergency' uniform, 1809. Issued in place of the regulation green jacket of the Styrian Landwehr, the makeshift uniform worn by privates was generally a single-breasted 'steel green' or grey coat with the regulation white collar and, apparently, grass green trim at the cuffs. The hat and legwear are basically civilian, the former with a green and white provincial cockade; black leather equipment and a canteen were issued, but knapsacks or haversacks had to be provided by the individual. The musket is a re-issued 1754 pattern. 2. Hauptmann, Styrian Landwehr, 1809. Contrasting with the makeshift uniform of their men, officers and NCOs were expected to wear regulation dress. This Hauptmann wears rank markings (unique in Austrian service) of three collar loops; note also that the sash was not worn. The sabre is the type used by grenadiers and Hungarians. 3. Jäger, Upper Austrian Landwehr, 1809. Composed of middle class volunteers- usually students, and foresters used to rifle shooting- the Jägers were the best (and best equipped) of the Landwehr. The man illustrated wears the grey uniform faced with red identifying Upper Austria, with full Jäger equipment if corded powder horn, 1795 pattern rifle, and long, broad-bladed socket bayonet. The 'Corsican hat' (Korséhut) with brass plate was similar to that ordered for the re-formed Landwehr in 1813. 4. Private, Bohemian Landwehr, 1809. The Bohemian Landwehr wore 'Hungarian' uniform of a brown 'spencer'-style jacket with red facings and braid, a round hat with black and yellow pompon, Hungarian breeches, high boots and black equipment. The Prague Student Corps wore similar dress plus a bicorn with a red-tipped white feather. The Prague city Landwehr had long, single-breasted brown coats with green collar, cuffs and piping; white breeches, black gaiters and equipment, and a shako with brass badge and black and yellow pompon. The man illustrated carries a 1784 musket.

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I don't have loads, but this is a start.

I like the Styrian Landwehr very nice and german fusiliers have a nice helmet/hat

[EdwardC]

+1 For Prussia and hanover

[KillerMongoose]

Well for Austria definitely add more Germans and Czechs, along with the Hungarians they served with some of the greatest distinction in the Austrian army. And those helmets... ohh gawd

And for France, add Dutch, Swiss, and Polish units as well as some of the awesome French units obviously, such as the Old Guard Chasseurs and the Young Guard. Add chasseurs a cheval! I love chasseurs a cheval, they are beautifully effective warriors (the Imperial Guard chasseurs a cheval are cool but I like the line chasseurs)

[Docm30]

And he, why does everybody forget about the Walcheren expedition? 40.000 British soldiers on France's doorstep, is quite something IMO.

Of which a whopping 106 died from enemy action. There was so little fighting it's not worth focusing on.

Because people are voting irrationally. Sweden and denmark had nothing to do with the war of the 5th coalition while portugal and spain had everything to do with it. Even if he decides to focus on the central european theater there's still not much reason to include denmark and sweden.

Portugal and Spain had absolutely nothing to do with the War of the Fifth Coalition. Fighting in the war took place in Austria, Bavaria, Italy, Poland and the Netherlands. The Peninsular War was not a theatre of the War of the Fifth Coalition.

[Nipplestockings]

It was happening at the same time approximately, so i dont see any reason to include denmark and sweden over portugal and spain.

[TomaHawkAU]

Well for Austria definitely add more Germans and Czechs, along with the Hungarians they served with some of the greatest distinction in the Austrian army. And those helmets... ohh gawd

And for France, add Dutch, Swiss, and Polish units as well as some of the awesome French units obviously, such as the Old Guard Chasseurs and the Young Guard. Add chasseurs a cheval! I love chasseurs a cheval, they are beautifully effective warriors (the Imperial Guard chasseurs a cheval are cool but I like the line chasseurs)

is it possible for images?

[Wismar]

It was happening at the same time approximately, so i dont see any reason to include denmark and sweden over portugal and spain.

But you shouldn't just mix the two conflicts.
There's is also a Peninsular war mod in-development right now.

[TomaHawkAU]

It was happening at the same time approximately, so i dont see any reason to include denmark and sweden over portugal and spain.

But you shouldn't just mix the two conflicts.
There's is also a Peninsular war mod in-development right now.

exactly thats why I dont paticularly like the idea of including the Iberian Peninsula - I personally like the idea of Italy, Warsaw, Rhine, Austria and France

[Dekkers]

All I can say is: The more the better.