A rant about Americans that think they won everything - Written by yahoo answers

[von_Bismarck]

And I am not going to reply to you anymore. since I could find more intelligent arguments from a brick than from you.

[masterborn12]

whatever wannabe smartass

[McEwan]

Keep the discussion, on topic, about the topic (not people), and keep it respectful. This is the last warning.

[Tucky]

I think the USA would have been a far more logical decision. Without US, UK would have presumably given up anyway, and it's further away.

This is a good example of what the thread was about! The Nazi's had given up on Britain as their only effective tactic, Blitzkrieg, had failed in the sky's against the RAF, the Luftwaffe were meant to clear a path for the heavy vehicles to go in but this island will hold no matter what is thrown at it.

Also In north Africa the Nazi's had been defeated by the British. And in Malta the people held against the constant Italian air attacks and remained loyal to Britain.

Britain would not give up, D-Day was already being planned and Churchill was a very powerful figure who made sure the British people did not give up.

America did contribute greatly, together Britain and USA defeated a lot of Nazi's but the real heroes were the Soviets.

 Heroes?

 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

Your countries troops weren't so nice either.

- Canicattì Massacre: At least 8 unarmed Italian civilians killed by US troops. One of the civilians being an 11 year old girl.

- Dachau Massacre: Around 123 German POWs executed at the Dachau concentration camp.

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- Biscari Massacre: Two instances of mass murder, killing roughly 75 POWs at Biscari.

- Operation Teardrop: Captured crewmen from the sunk German submarine, the U-546, were tortured by US Military Personnel.
 

-  After the Malmedy massacre, a written order from the HQ of the 328th US Army Infantry Regiment stated that: No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but will be shot on sight.

Major-General Raymond Hufft gave instructions to his men to not take prisoners when they cross the Rhine in 1945. Later on after the war, he reflected on the war crimes he authorized, saying: 'if the Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them.'

Stephen Ambrose also said "I've interviewed well over 1000 combat veterans. Only one of them said he shot a prisoner... Perhaps as many as one-third of the veterans...however, related incidents in which they saw other GIs shooting unarmed German prisoners who had their hands up."

- The town of Audouville-la-Hubert was the scene of a murder of around 30 disarmed POWs by American paratroopers in 1944. It is strongly believed that it was the 101st Airborne Division.

- Wartime films only made public in 2006, show that American GIs committed over 400 sexual offenses, including 126 rapes in England, between 1942 and 1945.

 Also, a study by Robert J. Lilly estimates that a total of 14,000 civilian women in England, France and Germany were raped by American  GIs during the Second World War.




Oh, yeah, that was only in Europe.

[von_Bismarck]

We can agree that both factions committed war crimes. That happened  in all of the wars and will keep happening, either as an strategy or as the beast that is in every human being.

[Augy]

Although the nuclear bombings were certainly a factor in Japanese surrender but the reason they surrendered was because of the Russian invasion of Japan which was going on simultaneously.

It was done to send a message to Stalin.

And the other reason why they didnt open a second front earlier was because Churchil didn't want it because he was reacquiring their british colonies.

[Duuring]

Although the nuclear bombings were certainly a factor in Japanese surrender but the reason they surrendered was because of the Russian invasion of Japan which was going on simultaneously.

It was done to send a message to Stalin.

And the other reason why they didnt open a second front earlier was because Churchil didn't want it because he was reacquiring their british colonies.

It was the emperor himself who decided to surrender, overruling most of his ministers who still wanted to fight on. So it can be considered a deciding factor.

[Walko]

Although the nuclear bombings were certainly a factor in Japanese surrender but the reason they surrendered was because of the Russian invasion of Japan which was going on simultaneously.

It was done to send a message to Stalin.

And the other reason why they didnt open a second front earlier was because Churchil didn't want it because he was reacquiring their british colonies.

I think the inter-allied relationships during WW2 were very interesting .

[Rival Ze GOD]

Please read my post above.

[Menelaos]

And the other reason why they didnt open a second front earlier was because Churchil didn't want it because he was reacquiring their british colonies.

What? I'm pretty sure early war they gave up military bases for old ships for a reason. What was the mindset in maintaining colonies if it was going to be lost eventually?

[von_Bismarck]

And the other reason why they didnt open a second front earlier was because Churchil didn't want it because he was reacquiring their british colonies.

 What was the mindset in maintaining colonies if it was going to be lost eventually?

Resources, prestige, strategic positions for the war.

[Nipplestockings]

I think the USA would have been a far more logical decision. Without US, UK would have presumably given up anyway, and it's further away.

This is a good example of what the thread was about! The Nazi's had given up on Britain as their only effective tactic, Blitzkrieg, had failed in the sky's against the RAF, the Luftwaffe were meant to clear a path for the heavy vehicles to go in but this island will hold no matter what is thrown at it.

Also In north Africa the Nazi's had been defeated by the British. And in Malta the people held against the constant Italian air attacks and remained loyal to Britain.

Britain would not give up, D-Day was already being planned and Churchill was a very powerful figure who made sure the British people did not give up.

America did contribute greatly, together Britain and USA defeated a lot of Nazi's but the real heroes were the Soviets.

 Heroes?

 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

Your countries troops weren't so nice either.

- Canicattì Massacre: At least 8 unarmed Italian civilians killed by US troops. One of the civilians being an 11 year old girl.

- Dachau Massacre: Around 123 German POWs executed at the Dachau concentration camp.

Spoiler

[close]

- Biscari Massacre: Two instances of mass murder, killing roughly 75 POWs at Biscari.

- Operation Teardrop: Captured crewmen from the sunk German submarine, the U-546, were tortured by US Military Personnel.
 

-  After the Malmedy massacre, a written order from the HQ of the 328th US Army Infantry Regiment stated that: No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but will be shot on sight.

Major-General Raymond Hufft gave instructions to his men to not take prisoners when they cross the Rhine in 1945. Later on after the war, he reflected on the war crimes he authorized, saying: 'if the Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them.'

Stephen Ambrose also said "I've interviewed well over 1000 combat veterans. Only one of them said he shot a prisoner... Perhaps as many as one-third of the veterans...however, related incidents in which they saw other GIs shooting unarmed German prisoners who had their hands up."

- The town of Audouville-la-Hubert was the scene of a murder of around 30 disarmed POWs by American paratroopers in 1944. It is strongly believed that it was the 101st Airborne Division.

- Wartime films only made public in 2006, show that American GIs committed over 400 sexual offenses, including 126 rapes in England, between 1942 and 1945.

 Also, a study by Robert J. Lilly estimates that a total of 14,000 civilian women in England, France and Germany were raped by American  GIs during the Second World War.




Oh, yeah, that was only in Europe.

Yes, that's war for you. Soviet War crimes far surpassed any other allied powers' warcrimes though. Read this:

A wave of rapes and sexual violence occurred in Central Europe in 1944–45, as the Western Allies and the Red Army fought their way into the Third Reich.[1] On the territory of the Nazi Germany, it began on 21 October 1944 when troops of the Red Army crossed the bridge over the Angerapp creek (marking the border) and committed the Nemmersdorf massacre before they were beaten back a few hours later.

The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers range from the tens of thousands to 2 million.[2][3][4][5][6] In many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.[7] At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,[4] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.[8] Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000.[9][10]Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history", and has concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.[11]

[Skipper]

What about the Nazi war crimes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre

And of course the holocaust, this may not be considered a war crime but the national socialists only got away with it because of the war.

I am not posting any links on the holocaust for respectful reasons.

[Nipplestockings]

I was talking about war crimes amongst the Allied powers. Of course Nazi war crimes surpass them all.

[Riddlez]

Will make a statenent here, in seriousness:

Riddlez already claricied he also likes philosophy.
He is of the opinion that all subjects are to be discussed, not judged.

Why would the holocaust be an exception?
It wouldn't, though Riddlez thinks this particular matter must be discussed in a civilised manner,
 And Riddlez os of the opinion that that mightn't be possible here.

Even so, there are quite a few things which may very well be some explanetions as of why it happended.though take note: no excuses and justifying reasons.