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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #900 on: October 18, 2022, 08:50:59 pm »
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As i said before your IQ is below 80. People are so arranged that they will not worsen their conditions whatever its food or game

Whats the point in playin M&B with slowmotion and glitched anims? I dont see any reason to play ATS or EGS without WSE2.

For YEARS t1-2 played with this, so many tourmanents passed with WSE2. For sure i dont see that someone blocking every backstab or using bigger fov for destroy everything.

You dont even start poll for WSE like pussy

And you starts insult people because they dont agreed with you, such scum

I've tried WSE2, animation glitches are still as prevalent as with the steam version, nothing changes, it just makes it smoother (and for me not much at all) - something of which doesn't warrant its use if it means having all the other disadvantages to come with it, not playing the game because of WSE2 being banned is extremely weak minded and maybe you quitting would be beneficial. Please just think a little more.

I even discussed the animation glitches with other WSE2 users and the same issues still persist, it doesn't fix that, that doesn't change lmao.
Legit for me, removes sideblock glitch, and other animation glitches like in the steam version it would show I double block but still get hit with a stab. On WSE2 in similar situations it will only show one of the blocks.
You cannot say it changes nothing. You should know of all people, begging Envy for the download link back in S3.
Wait to see what happens with the competitive version before starting a discussion about WSE2. This could all be pointless. Not sure why it was even brought up considering how much discussion has already happened on HiReapers thread.

Fairly certain SB glitch doesn't exist for me anymore. Have used it at times to tell whether someone else wasn't using WSE2 since they unfortunately sometimes get caught running around with a SB like a mong :P

Asked Python and can confirm he still gets it (literally happened in a 2v2 we did earlier)
begging Envy for the download link back in S3.

Now you're just lying out ur teeth cos Zeyden told you a load of bollocks on teamspeak to stir the pot, didn't even know it existed when I was in Envy you buffoon.
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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #901 on: October 18, 2022, 08:52:37 pm »
Envy should be stripped from their Palmares like Lance Armstrong
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« Reply #902 on: October 18, 2022, 08:53:06 pm »
Envy should be stripped from their Palmares like Lance Armstrong
And Amaterasu if you go by that logic

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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #903 on: October 18, 2022, 08:55:15 pm »
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As i said before your IQ is below 80. People are so arranged that they will not worsen their conditions whatever its food or game

Whats the point in playin M&B with slowmotion and glitched anims? I dont see any reason to play ATS or EGS without WSE2.

For YEARS t1-2 played with this, so many tourmanents passed with WSE2. For sure i dont see that someone blocking every backstab or using bigger fov for destroy everything.

You dont even start poll for WSE like pussy

And you starts insult people because they dont agreed with you, such scum

I've tried WSE2, animation glitches are still as prevalent as with the steam version, nothing changes, it just makes it smoother (and for me not much at all) - something of which doesn't warrant its use if it means having all the other disadvantages to come with it, not playing the game because of WSE2 being banned is extremely weak minded and maybe you quitting would be beneficial. Please just think a little more.

I even discussed the animation glitches with other WSE2 users and the same issues still persist, it doesn't fix that, that doesn't change lmao.
Legit for me, removes sideblock glitch, and other animation glitches like in the steam version it would show I double block but still get hit with a stab. On WSE2 in similar situations it will only show one of the blocks.
You cannot say it changes nothing. You should know of all people, begging Envy for the download link back in S3.
Wait to see what happens with the competitive version before starting a discussion about WSE2. This could all be pointless. Not sure why it was even brought up considering how much discussion has already happened on HiReapers thread.

Fairly certain SB glitch doesn't exist for me anymore. Have used it at times to tell whether someone else wasn't using WSE2 since they unfortunately sometimes get caught running around with a SB like a mong :P

Asked Python and can confirm he still gets it (literally happened in a 2v2 we did earlier)
begging Envy for the download link back in S3.

Now you're just lying out ur teeth cos Zeyden told you a load of bollocks on teamspeak to stir the pot, didn't even know it existed when I was in Envy you buffoon.
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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #904 on: October 18, 2022, 08:55:40 pm »
Envy should be stripped from their Palmares like Lance Armstrong
And Amaterasu if you go by that logic
Where's Oprah Winfrey when you need her
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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #905 on: October 19, 2022, 02:17:29 pm »
Tbf I still get all the animation glitches with WSE2 including SB glitch and no animations, and a bit of teleporting through ppl as well now and then

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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #906 on: October 19, 2022, 03:00:23 pm »
Tbf I still get all the animation glitches with WSE2 including SB glitch and no animations, and a bit of teleporting through ppl as well now and then

Sounds like 100 degree CPU problems
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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #907 on: October 19, 2022, 04:42:11 pm »
Tbf I still get all the animation glitches with WSE2 including SB glitch and no animations, and a bit of teleporting through ppl as well now and then

Sounds like 100 degree CPU problems

Yeah I don’t accept your statement at all python. Seeing as you’re inept with computers.

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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #908 on: October 19, 2022, 05:42:54 pm »
Tbf I still get all the animation glitches with WSE2 including SB glitch and no animations, and a bit of teleporting through ppl as well now and then

Sounds like 100 degree CPU problems

Yeah I don’t accept your statement at all python. Seeing as you’re inept with computers.

I don't care what you accept retard

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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #909 on: October 19, 2022, 08:16:11 pm »
can someone explain to me how to install it?

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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #910 on: October 19, 2022, 08:36:43 pm »
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Due to alot of controversy, we need to discuss the pros and cons of WSE2, start discussing! The resulting discussion will affect the outcome of its introduction or banning.

I'll make it simple

Pros:
More stable smoother game (though after now trying it, not a big deal)

Cons:
FoV Slider (able to see a foot behind you, obviously advantageous and no one can deny that)
Banner Viewing (not entirely relevant but allows for line-ups)
Potential hidden 'heal' commands which don't get added to logs (unknown, but Flashkodr mentioned that you are able to send the server commands to heal players etc discreetly)

Somewhere in between:
Improved hitbox registry (does something where you're less likely to TK due to some ragdoll stuff)

Solution:
WSE2 was recently updated and a server-side FoV lock is in place, this will mitigate the most major issue with WSE2, if that doesn't work then just ban it.
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The game is massively improved with WSE2. The game breaking teleportation glitch is removed with the client (where you teleport with frame caps above 150) which is essential for people with higher hz monitors, as otherwise they would be forced to play with their non-native hz rate, which is a massive quality downgrade and can introduce input lag. Chuck vid Example with Chuckster but this applies to any fps over 150.

Apart from that, the huge fps boost from WSE2 helps people with mid-low tier PCs to achieve that minimum 144 fps, which is useful for any competitive event. Obviously a collection of anecdotes, but getting sent so many messages on steam on how the client has helped people with their game lag, it seems it will only help the competitive scene for this game and try to keep it more fun.

WSE2's FOV slider is obviously the biggest upset that comes with the client. However, I still believe the advantages of the FOV slider are being overexaggerated. Personally, I play on default fov and hear from a lot of top players on how the FOV slider has minimal impact, except in rotations(still minor as you get the same effect from angling yourself properly).

Bannerviewing? If anything, this would seriously inhibit your ability to play as you would be seeing the enemy's banners during any sort of melee (open melee, close rotation switches). Potential hidden heal commands? This seems like bullshit and would need a followup.

Improved hitbox registry is also a miss as people have plenty of teamkills with the client or miss stabs while people are stunned or any other base game breaking glitches. Sideblock glitches and no animation stabs still exist within the client as well.

Regarding the FOV Slider, I have also found some quite interesting information.

Remembering back to watching a 3kliksphilip video 3KLIKS . Warband's FOV system is identical in that the FOV is calculated through the value of the base FOV along with the aspect ratio of the resolution you play with.

https://youtu.be/frsp7VIKTuY?t=97 You can see how playing at a resolution of 1920x540 grants you a massive field of view advantage. Playing on a resolution of 1920x800 is equivalent to playing on 1920x1080 with the fov slider set to 90

This is also on the default steam game.

1920x1080 with Default FOV
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1920x800 with Default FOV
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1920x1080 with 90 FOV
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The FOVs were customised using them from a texture pack, which was the most common way people had an FOV slider. It was literally in a 92nd texture pack.

As you can all see, the use of a simple resolution change(done with either CRU or through your graphics panel settings) grants you a greater advantage, as it only eliminates your vertical vision (which has almost no utility in NW anyway) and doesn't introduce a weird distortion on your screen.

In the end, the solution is already here with Gibby's 50 euro modification to WSE2. However, if it doesn't function correctly, then it seems the only valid options would be to straight up allow it or introduce a poll for the players to decide.
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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #911 on: October 19, 2022, 08:37:35 pm »
why did you become retarded HiReaper?
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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #912 on: October 19, 2022, 08:50:08 pm »
can't wait for the one sentence reply

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« Reply #913 on: October 19, 2022, 09:06:09 pm »
Improved hitbox registry is also a miss as people have plenty of teamkills with the client or miss stabs while people are stunned or any other base game breaking glitches. Sideblock glitches and no animation stabs still exist within the client as well.

I concur and imagine most of this belief is placebo.

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Re: EGS | Discussion
« Reply #914 on: October 19, 2022, 09:07:09 pm »
Your 1920 x 800 and 1920 x 1080 90fov pictures are the same photo (by imgur link), but I'm curious to see what you're talking about