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Re: Discussion
« Reply #345 on: October 05, 2020, 02:31:59 pm »
I remember calling people to get back into the middle of the map and leave the map edge (which you guys heavily played around) atleast 3 times every round. Id rather delay a little instead of constantly fighting in a close corner.

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #346 on: October 05, 2020, 02:48:25 pm »
After this match I would like to add something.
I don't see any rules in tournament for avoiding combat, delaying etc. and there's no end effect due to timeout of the round. I ask admins to take it into account and possibly fix it or add the rules assiociated with this.
During the match, there were situations in which the hussars didn't even attempt to attack. Combining it with a lot of players from both sides (what is disadvantage for cuirassiers) resulted that hussars vs heavies matches are much longer than ever. And about 15+ rule, it is definitely not easy to keep the minimum number players around 11pm after more than 3 hours of playing, when most people have to get up early and go to school or work the next day.
I think that kind of matches that hardly anyone enjoy and force people to make private sacrifices are not worth the tournament unless you are 100% pro gamers or tryhards.

Anyway, gg 4e there were some close rounds but it's well deserved win. Good luck in the rest of competition.
What are you on about?

The ONLY reason the match took as long as it did, is because there's no other way to play versus heavies than we did. Constant circling, protecting dismounted and reared horses, making circles around a tree, running away from combat. As a heavy you can literally tank 3 hits from a hussar, whilst the other way around it's a 1 hit kill.
Just take a look at the score and personal scores, that resembles how much better we actually were than you guys, it just takes so long because heavies have an immesurable shitty playstyle.

I've got a little tip for you too: If your players can't stick around after 11pm, switch to hussars (matches are a lot faster, skill-involved and fun that way).

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #347 on: October 05, 2020, 02:53:04 pm »
It's ciiges' fault, if he hadn't been eating he could've ended the match in 30 minutes
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #348 on: October 05, 2020, 03:21:33 pm »
Combining it with a lot of players from both sides (what is disadvantage for cuirassiers)

Are you sure? Please explain why the cuirassiers have the disadvantage when there are many guys on the battlefield. My experience always told me that it's harder to break the cuirassier formation when there are more cuirassiers.



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Re: Discussion
« Reply #349 on: October 05, 2020, 04:06:07 pm »
Combining it with a lot of players from both sides (what is disadvantage for cuirassiers)

Are you sure? Please explain why the cuirassiers have the disadvantage when there are many guys on the battlefield. My experience always told me that it's harder to break the cuirassier formation when there are more cuirassiers.
exactly this.

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #350 on: October 05, 2020, 04:26:51 pm »
« Last Edit: October 05, 2020, 09:52:37 pm by Tardet »

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #351 on: October 05, 2020, 04:33:28 pm »

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #352 on: October 05, 2020, 07:33:32 pm »
Combining it with a lot of players from both sides (what is disadvantage for cuirassiers)

Are you sure? Please explain why the cuirassiers have the disadvantage when there are many guys on the battlefield. My experience always told me that it's harder to break the cuirassier formation when there are more cuirassiers.
exactly this.

Just isnt the DCL!

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #353 on: October 05, 2020, 07:43:58 pm »
After this match I would like to add something.
I don't see any rules in tournament for avoiding combat, delaying etc. and there's no end effect due to timeout of the round. I ask admins to take it into account and possibly fix it or add the rules assiociated with this.
During the match, there were situations in which the hussars didn't even attempt to attack. Combining it with a lot of players from both sides (what is disadvantage for cuirassiers) resulted that hussars vs heavies matches are much longer than ever. And about 15+ rule, it is definitely not easy to keep the minimum number players around 11pm after more than 3 hours of playing, when most people have to get up early and go to school or work the next day.
I think that kind of matches that hardly anyone enjoy and force people to make private sacrifices are not worth the tournament unless you are 100% pro gamers or tryhards.

Anyway, gg 4e there were some close rounds but it's well deserved win. Good luck in the rest of competition.

stfu already you *Snip*
most of the time it litteraly takes 3 swings to kill a heavy, 2 to kill his horse, while you get OS as a hussar (player or horse if not both), means you gotta play extra careful while you guys can still play stupidly and not get punished until the third time

you be like "HeaviEs NoT OP HUh LeArN thE GaMe AlrAEDy"
just send them back to tropical paradise so they think they're actually decent

idiot


anyway sorry for the salt, good luck to everyone and blabla (except heavies dont@me)
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #354 on: October 09, 2020, 01:55:21 pm »
After this match I would like to add something.
I don't see any rules in tournament for avoiding combat, delaying etc. and there's no end effect due to timeout of the round. I ask admins to take it into account and possibly fix it or add the rules assiociated with this.
During the match, there were situations in which the hussars didn't even attempt to attack. Combining it with a lot of players from both sides (what is disadvantage for cuirassiers) resulted that hussars vs heavies matches are much longer than ever. And about 15+ rule, it is definitely not easy to keep the minimum number players around 11pm after more than 3 hours of playing, when most people have to get up early and go to school or work the next day.
I think that kind of matches that hardly anyone enjoy and force people to make private sacrifices are not worth the tournament unless you are 100% pro gamers or tryhards.

Anyway, gg 4e there were some close rounds but it's well deserved win. Good luck in the rest of competition.

stfu already you *Snip*
most of the time it litteraly takes 3 swings to kill a heavy, 2 to kill his horse, while you get OS as a hussar (player or horse if not both), means you gotta play extra careful while you guys can still play stupidly and not get punished until the third time

you be like "HeaviEs NoT OP HUh LeArN thE GaMe AlrAEDy"
just send them back to tropical paradise so they think they're actually decent

idiot


anyway sorry for the salt, good luck to everyone and blabla (except heavies dont@me)
Harford being a friendly player like he normally does.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #355 on: October 09, 2020, 04:47:08 pm »
I don't want to revive that silly debate but I also think Harford's message leaves a rather unnecessary negativity/saltiness about the whole situation so just to bring some perspective from someone who played that 3h match (and also answers to Atlatan in a more constructive way):

- That encounter was not enjoyable for anybody. On the 4e's side, we kept our spirit high because we were in the driver's seat for most of the match but we would have certainly been less joyful if we had been in the CB's boots. It's easy to blame your opponent for making the game 'boring' & 'long' but it's simply gonna be what happens when both sides (heavies and hussars) feel they have a shot at winning and have a highly competitive spirit.

- That one hour round sums-up everything wrong about trying to force competitions where both classes can play against each other.  And although you can hardly blame the dismounted heavies, it's not fair to try and paint the way Skittles played as wrong. Because heavies and hussars are what they are, you have no choice but to take your time and because it was the first round, no team wanted to give it up in the slightest because we both knew how important it was. Trying to come up with 'rules' to prevent that or impact a certain playstyle, is only going to heavily advantage one class or the other and if you guys don't see that, then your bias towards your class heavily impacts your judgement.

- The heavy / hussar opposition is a debate that will never be solved. There are two simple solutions: 1) You allow heavies to partake in tournaments and accept that every hussar regiments is likely to have 1/2 unreasonably long matches. 2) You ban heavies from the competition you host and effectively prevent 50/60+ competitive and active players to partake in your event. The first solution effectively infuriates some people when they play these matches but it doesn't damage the competition as a whole. When the heavies have an extremely skilled team like the DCL, 1eRC or 14pk, they can win the tournament, when they don't, they still remain a powerful force to go against. So it still is a matter of 'skill' at the end of the day. The second solution may please more people from the hussars' community but it still prevents a large portion of our scene to play the game the way they love it and although I absolutely loved the hussar cup Lindblom hosted in the past, I understand why it wouldn't be a good thing for every cavalry tournaments to be that way.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #356 on: October 09, 2020, 06:53:53 pm »
if tardet doesn't type a thousand word essay per day he dies

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #357 on: October 09, 2020, 06:58:32 pm »
thats why i wrote my thing in the first place, baiting tardet in order to get his attention, cant believe i waited so long, i nearly gave up
now i shall propose tardet with a ring

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #358 on: October 09, 2020, 07:20:23 pm »
Yes
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #359 on: October 09, 2020, 10:18:59 pm »
gg CB.

Kinda weak that we didn't even hit 3 hours though