European Community List - Melee

[Tardet]

Simple curiosity Stark, for how long are you playing the game competitively? Cause I've never seen your name before when I was (I mean back in 2012-2014) so just a honest question

[Keita]

Started playing since 2012, comp 2014, that doesn't mean i don't know stuff

[Tardet]

If you think I was implying that you didn't know stuff then I apologize, that wasn't the idea at all. Do know I have too much respect for your person to think that. What I was heavily implying however (and I think you got it right anyways) is that if you only started playing competitively in 2014, then I believe its gonna be a bit hard for you to judge on the level of a player who was one of the best french and EU player on MM and as many in that case, was also one of the best in the early NW, aka 2012/2013. He played in 2014 and 2015 but was drastically less active.

That doesn't actually mean Stéphane's ranking on that list shouldn't be re-considered, just that you maybe don't have all the elements to produce an accurate and honest judgement on his skill and wherever he deserves to be on such a high ranking. No offense meant, obviously.

[Keita]

He was good in early NW, that says it all to me.

Some old players are mentioned as gods just for the fact that they're old *drama inc*. (Not meaning Stephane)

But hey maybe im wrong, either way i still believe that JHS deserves a higher rating.

[Tardet]

He was good in early NW, that says it all to me.

He wasn't 'good', he was considered one of the very best in the french community and certainly in the EU community aswell. Makes an important difference to my eyes, atleast worth being noticed. If you're part of those people who actually think that because people were good in early NW and don't play the game anymore means that they were actually not as good as the people playing right now, (which is basically the same type of reasoning I hear from LeBrave since I know him) then yeah indeed, it's probably pointless arguing because there is not much to say except you don't know the community as much as I think you did, or atleast that we have a complete different views on it but unlike you and without any arrogance, atleast did I play both to actually be able to make a judgement (which doesn't make it a valid one, by any mean).

The level actually quite improved in groupfighting, meaning that the groupfighting format actually somewhat professionalized itself thanks to people like Haze (and many others) while it was just a 'one month thingy' back then and teams used to live and die for the duration of the tournament only, there was hardly any sort of gfs trainings matches or big league bewteen tournaments, atleast nothing close to the current average.

That however ain't an argument to judge if the current community is more skilled. Obviously, years have passed, the meta changed and some new stuff appeared like the chambers block but that's an endless debate and not really what the thread is about. The list is 'all time' based, therefore I believe Stéphane deserves such ranking or atleast something relatively close.

But hey maybe im wrong, either way i still believe that JHS deserves a higher rating.

Maybe you're but maybe I'm, maybe we both are to some extend, but atleast do we agree on the fact JHS should be higher, so that's actually the begining of something

[Keita]

I think it's more the fact that we have two complete different views on the community which is fine and i respect.

[Tardet]

I think it's more the fact that we have two complete different views on the community which is fine and i respect.

Fair enough

[Heist]

People were better than others at different peaks, I would say JHS deserves a similar position - the real competitive community didn't start until 2014 - that was when the game was at its highest competitive peak and JHS played a lot more events and competitions, if you round up the averages compared to those two players, on average JHS would be the stronger player, he was also against a more experienced player base on a more regular basis compared to Stephane. They're two good players, I would rank them the same. Stephane's peak performance was stronger - JHS was in the community a long time and his skill had ups and downs, if Stephane didn't quit the game it's likely his performance would've dropped over that time period too.

[John Price]

Started playing since 2012, comp 2014, that doesn't mean i don't know stuff

Can vouch, was bumboy of Crumpet's reggy in IIe back in 2013

[Keita]

Started playing since 2012, comp 2014, that doesn't mean i don't know stuff

Can vouch, was bumboy of Crumpet's reggy in IIe back in 2013

Safe.

[Tardet]

People were better than others at different peaks, I would say JHS deserves a similar position - the real competitive community didn't start until 2014 - that was when the game was at its highest competitive peak and JHS played a lot more events and competitions, if you round up the averages compared to those two players, on average JHS would be the stronger player, he was also against a more experienced player base on a more regular basis compared to Stephane. They're two good players, I would rank them the same.

Not much to disagree with, I would also rank them on the same level. I just spent more times with Stephane so I believe I know him a bit better than JHS (who was a sick player, no doubt).

[Heist]

People were better than others at different peaks, I would say JHS deserves a similar position - the real competitive community didn't start until 2014 - that was when the game was at its highest competitive peak and JHS played a lot more events and competitions, if you round up the averages compared to those two players, on average JHS would be the stronger player, he was also against a more experienced player base on a more regular basis compared to Stephane. They're two good players, I would rank them the same.

Not much to disagree with, I would also rank them on the same level. I just spent more times with Stephane so I believe I know him a bit better than JHS (who was a sick player, no doubt).

It's a matter of opinion isn't it, I know people that would rate me 90, and I know people that wouldn't even consider me to be on the list.

[MarxeiL]

DayBoul > Elessar and Kobzik
lul

[Tardet]

People were better than others at different peaks, I would say JHS deserves a similar position - the real competitive community didn't start until 2014 - that was when the game was at its highest competitive peak and JHS played a lot more events and competitions, if you round up the averages compared to those two players, on average JHS would be the stronger player, he was also against a more experienced player base on a more regular basis compared to Stephane. They're two good players, I would rank them the same.

Not much to disagree with, I would also rank them on the same level. I just spent more times with Stephane so I believe I know him a bit better than JHS (who was a sick player, no doubt).

It's a matter of opinion isn't it, I know people that would rate me 90, and I know people that wouldn't even consider me to be on the list.

What I know however is that, no matter wherever or not you would deserve to be on this melee list, you would definetly be on THE list, anytime of the day. Should be all which matters to your eyes, honestly.

[Heist]

People were better than others at different peaks, I would say JHS deserves a similar position - the real competitive community didn't start until 2014 - that was when the game was at its highest competitive peak and JHS played a lot more events and competitions, if you round up the averages compared to those two players, on average JHS would be the stronger player, he was also against a more experienced player base on a more regular basis compared to Stephane. They're two good players, I would rank them the same.

Not much to disagree with, I would also rank them on the same level. I just spent more times with Stephane so I believe I know him a bit better than JHS (who was a sick player, no doubt).

It's a matter of opinion isn't it, I know people that would rate me 90, and I know people that wouldn't even consider me to be on the list.

What I know however is that, no matter wherever or not you would deserve to be on this melee list, you would definetly be on THE list, anytime of the day. Should be all which matters to your eyes, honestly.

It's surprising how many Regimental Leaders aren't on the list, only Me, Posh and Spartan - I always thought St3fan and Primus were good meleers but according to this not as good as the Higher tier people.