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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1275 on: November 09, 2016, 06:30:55 am »
Maybe one day the High skilled will teach me and pj how to change our ways

Like I told you over steam, holding to mess up someones chambering timing is perfectly acceptable. If you're holding just to see who has more patience, then it's not about skill, it's about patience.

But I've never seen you hold that long. I just experienced it against PJ when he used it as a fall back plan.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that having good patience is not a skill?

attribute - "a quality or feature regarded as a characteristic or inherent part of someone or something."

skill - "the ability to do something well; expertise."

Patience doesn't require doing well, or expertise, it's a characteristic relative to someones personality and their environment. Therefore, while good patience is a tool, it's not a skill. You don't need to be good with or knowledgeable about the game mechanics to be patient.

I agree that having patience is a characteristic of someone's personality and will be affected by their environment, but I have to disagree with saying that being patient is not related to doing well, which maintaining composure certainly is. When you're playing and are under immense pressure from somebody because they're in your face, feinting, etc., it pays to be able to maintain composure so that you don't do something reckless and let your guard down, which is what they're looking for. It's not a mechanic in the game itself like chambering, feinting, and blocking are, but it does affect how you have to play against other people, and this is similar to having the skill to adapt to someone's playstyle. What do you think?

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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1276 on: November 09, 2016, 07:16:04 am »
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1277 on: November 09, 2016, 08:16:49 am »
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1278 on: November 09, 2016, 08:40:21 am »
Maybe one day the High skilled will teach me and pj how to change our ways

Like I told you over steam, holding to mess up someones chambering timing is perfectly acceptable. If you're holding just to see who has more patience, then it's not about skill, it's about patience.

But I've never seen you hold that long. I just experienced it against PJ when he used it as a fall back plan.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that having good patience is not a skill?

attribute - "a quality or feature regarded as a characteristic or inherent part of someone or something."

skill - "the ability to do something well; expertise."

Patience doesn't require doing well, or expertise, it's a characteristic relative to someones personality and their environment. Therefore, while good patience is a tool, it's not a skill. You don't need to be good with or knowledgeable about the game mechanics to be patient.

I agree that having patience is a characteristic of someone's personality and will be affected by their environment, but I have to disagree with saying that being patient is not related to doing well, which maintaining composure certainly is. When you're playing and are under immense pressure from somebody because they're in your face, feinting, etc., it pays to be able to maintain composure so that you don't do something reckless and let your guard down, which is what they're looking for. It's not a mechanic in the game itself like chambering, feinting, and blocking are, but it does affect how you have to play against other people, and this is similar to having the skill to adapt to someone's playstyle. What do you think?

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RIP 7thRFG. Died too soon.

"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent" < That. That right there is what you just did.

"but I have to disagree with saying that being patient is not related to doing well"

No, actually, you don't have to disagree with something I didn't say. I didn't say patience and composure are unrelated to doing well, I said patience isn't a skill. Skill is your degree of mastery of the game mechanics. You can be a patient person and not even know what chambering is. Yes, patience (and obviously composure) affects duels, no one said it doesn't, it just doesn't require skill to be patient, it requires the willingness/natural fortitude to be so.

Ability to adapt to people's play styles is more just intuition from experience, which I don't really see the parallel between that and patience.

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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1279 on: November 09, 2016, 02:32:08 pm »
Maybe one day the High skilled will teach me and pj how to change our ways

Like I told you over steam, holding to mess up someones chambering timing is perfectly acceptable. If you're holding just to see who has more patience, then it's not about skill, it's about patience.

But I've never seen you hold that long. I just experienced it against PJ when he used it as a fall back plan.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that having good patience is not a skill?

attribute - "a quality or feature regarded as a characteristic or inherent part of someone or something."

skill - "the ability to do something well; expertise."

Patience doesn't require doing well, or expertise, it's a characteristic relative to someones personality and their environment. Therefore, while good patience is a tool, it's not a skill. You don't need to be good with or knowledgeable about the game mechanics to be patient.

I agree that having patience is a characteristic of someone's personality and will be affected by their environment, but I have to disagree with saying that being patient is not related to doing well, which maintaining composure certainly is. When you're playing and are under immense pressure from somebody because they're in your face, feinting, etc., it pays to be able to maintain composure so that you don't do something reckless and let your guard down, which is what they're looking for. It's not a mechanic in the game itself like chambering, feinting, and blocking are, but it does affect how you have to play against other people, and this is similar to having the skill to adapt to someone's playstyle. What do you think?

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Where the fuck did you come from?

RIP 7thRFG. Died too soon.

"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent" < That. That right there is what you just did.

"but I have to disagree with saying that being patient is not related to doing well"

No, actually, you don't have to disagree with something I didn't say. I didn't say patience and composure are unrelated to doing well, I said patience isn't a skill. Skill is your degree of mastery of the game mechanics. You can be a patient person and not even know what chambering is. Yes, patience (and obviously composure) affects duels, no one said it doesn't, it just doesn't require skill to be patient, it requires the willingness/natural fortitude to be so.

Ability to adapt to people's play styles is more just intuition from experience, which I don't really see the parallel between that and patience.

I don't think you really understood what I was saying since you thought it was a strawman. I'm saying that having patience is used to maintain composure (since patience isn't really used for anything else, at least as far as I can tell), which is a doing that you can either do well or not, which is a skill under the definition you provided. I don't know why you wouldn't consider adaptation a skill, too. Surely that's something else that you can do better or worse than other people. Not everyone plays the game intuitively and there's often a lot of thought that goes into observing and adapting to a playstyle. Professional StarCraft players, for example, even have coaches that help them go over upcoming opponent's matches so that they can better adapt to their playstyle and prepare builds; how could this not be a skill?

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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1280 on: November 09, 2016, 04:37:35 pm »
You're going to argue about if patience is a skill or trait oh lord. It functions as both. Patience fits both molds of the definition of a trait and a skill. Godfried would be correct in saying that patience in itself is a trait, but Bot is right by implying that applying the patient trait into the game mechanic is in itself a skill. There, stop being stupid now.
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1281 on: November 09, 2016, 09:07:56 pm »
You're going to argue about if patience is a skill or trait oh lord. It functions as both. Patience fits both molds of the definition of a trait and a skill. Godfried would be correct in saying that patience in itself is a trait, but Bot is right by implying that applying the patient trait into the game mechanic is in itself a skill. There, stop being stupid now.
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1282 on: November 09, 2016, 09:10:16 pm »
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1283 on: November 09, 2016, 09:23:16 pm »
You're going to argue about if patience is a skill or trait oh lord. It functions as both. Patience fits both molds of the definition of a trait and a skill. Godfried would be correct in saying that patience in itself is a trait, but Bot is right by implying that applying the patient trait into the game mechanic is in itself a skill. There, stop being stupid now.
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1284 on: November 09, 2016, 09:34:08 pm »
You're going to argue about if patience is a skill or trait oh lord. It functions as both. Patience fits both molds of the definition of a trait and a skill. Godfried would be correct in saying that patience in itself is a trait, but Bot is right by implying that applying the patient trait into the game mechanic is in itself a skill. There, stop being stupid now.
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1285 on: November 09, 2016, 09:35:38 pm »
You're going to argue about if patience is a skill or trait oh lord. It functions as both. Patience fits both molds of the definition of a trait and a skill. Godfried would be correct in saying that patience in itself is a trait, but Bot is right by implying that applying the patient trait into the game mechanic is in itself a skill. There, stop being stupid now.
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1286 on: November 09, 2016, 11:44:33 pm »
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Maybe one day the High skilled will teach me and pj how to change our ways

Like I told you over steam, holding to mess up someones chambering timing is perfectly acceptable. If you're holding just to see who has more patience, then it's not about skill, it's about patience.

But I've never seen you hold that long. I just experienced it against PJ when he used it as a fall back plan.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that having good patience is not a skill?

attribute - "a quality or feature regarded as a characteristic or inherent part of someone or something."

skill - "the ability to do something well; expertise."

Patience doesn't require doing well, or expertise, it's a characteristic relative to someones personality and their environment. Therefore, while good patience is a tool, it's not a skill. You don't need to be good with or knowledgeable about the game mechanics to be patient.

I agree that having patience is a characteristic of someone's personality and will be affected by their environment, but I have to disagree with saying that being patient is not related to doing well, which maintaining composure certainly is. When you're playing and are under immense pressure from somebody because they're in your face, feinting, etc., it pays to be able to maintain composure so that you don't do something reckless and let your guard down, which is what they're looking for. It's not a mechanic in the game itself like chambering, feinting, and blocking are, but it does affect how you have to play against other people, and this is similar to having the skill to adapt to someone's playstyle. What do you think?

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Where the fuck did you come from?

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"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent" < That. That right there is what you just did.

"but I have to disagree with saying that being patient is not related to doing well"

No, actually, you don't have to disagree with something I didn't say. I didn't say patience and composure are unrelated to doing well, I said patience isn't a skill. Skill is your degree of mastery of the game mechanics. You can be a patient person and not even know what chambering is. Yes, patience (and obviously composure) affects duels, no one said it doesn't, it just doesn't require skill to be patient, it requires the willingness/natural fortitude to be so.

Ability to adapt to people's play styles is more just intuition from experience, which I don't really see the parallel between that and patience.

I don't think you really understood what I was saying since you thought it was a strawman. I'm saying that having patience is used to maintain composure (since patience isn't really used for anything else, at least as far as I can tell), which is a doing that you can either do well or not, which is a skill under the definition you provided. I don't know why you wouldn't consider adaptation a skill, too. Surely that's something else that you can do better or worse than other people. Not everyone plays the game intuitively and there's often a lot of thought that goes into observing and adapting to a playstyle. Professional StarCraft players, for example, even have coaches that help them go over upcoming opponent's matches so that they can better adapt to their playstyle and prepare builds; how could this not be a skill?

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Well if I'm dueling someone and they're tanking every round, it won't affect my willingness to duel them for extended periods of time (my patience). But it may affect how well I do in the rounds, generally speaking, if I allow their tanking to become my primary focus instead of the other things that I should be worrying about in a duel, like watching for their baits etc. (my composure).

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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1287 on: November 10, 2016, 12:37:01 am »
You're going to argue about if patience is a skill or trait oh lord. It functions as both. Patience fits both molds of the definition of a trait and a skill. Godfried would be correct in saying that patience in itself is a trait, but Bot is right by implying that applying the patient trait into the game mechanic is in itself a skill. There, stop being stupid now.
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Lol talk about patience...you are the most irritating person ive ever dueled all you do is stall...s key and block spam

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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1288 on: November 10, 2016, 02:04:19 am »
You're going to argue about if patience is a skill or trait oh lord. It functions as both. Patience fits both molds of the definition of a trait and a skill. Godfried would be correct in saying that patience in itself is a trait, but Bot is right by implying that applying the patient trait into the game mechanic is in itself a skill. There, stop being stupid now.
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who needs patience when you're an underdog
us underdogs control the pace of the game, fuck patience! kappa
Lol talk about patience...you are the most irritating person ive ever dueled all you do is stall...s key and block spam
You would have lost if you were not a dickhead. Don't talk to me like you are the shit. I have done more then you ever will and can start playing out of the blue and be better than you. You are a joke.
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Re: North American NW News!
« Reply #1289 on: November 10, 2016, 02:38:22 am »
When everyone s keys is anyone really s keying?
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