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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1620 on: February 26, 2016, 01:31:22 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.
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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1621 on: February 26, 2016, 01:41:10 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.


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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1622 on: February 26, 2016, 01:46:23 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.
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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1623 on: February 26, 2016, 01:48:50 am »
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« Reply #1624 on: February 26, 2016, 01:57:52 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.

I mean, a lot of top duelers are decent groupfighters but that is because they trained it (many many hours), along with dueling, but take blood for an example, he hasn't won any duel tournys but everytime I see him play he top frags. I could give examples of people owho are great duelists but don't group fight that well but im not gonna be rude. But switching opponents and knowing when to disengage, is key to groupfighting and I see a lot of solid players not doing that. Being a great duelist doesn't make you a great groupfighter,and being a great groupfighter doesn't mean you are a great duelist. Take your 10 duel heroes and watch them bait each other, and get back stabbed by my groupfighters  8)

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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1625 on: February 26, 2016, 02:06:29 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.
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We didnt have any duel heroes for that lol.

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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1626 on: February 26, 2016, 02:07:42 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.
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We didnt have any duel heroes for that lol.
Then why did I have to go into that video and get eye cancer from the groupfighting I saw? I heard it is inherently easy.
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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1627 on: February 26, 2016, 02:19:12 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.
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We didnt have any duel heroes for that lol.
Then why did I have to go into that video and get eye cancer from the groupfighting I saw? I heard it is inherently easy.

Did you not read what I just said? I got into melee once that whole match and I got 7 kills, its just we didnt have any other "duel heroes"

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« Reply #1628 on: February 26, 2016, 02:26:08 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.
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We didnt have any duel heroes for that lol.
Then why did I have to go into that video and get eye cancer from the groupfighting I saw? I heard it is inherently easy.

Did you not read what I just said? I got into melee once that whole match and I got 7 kills, its just we didnt have any other "duel heroes"
I dont care about what you did. I care about what the group did.
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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1629 on: February 26, 2016, 02:28:22 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.

I mean, a lot of top duelers are decent groupfighters but that is because they trained it (many many hours), along with dueling, but take blood for an example, he hasn't won any duel tournys but everytime I see him play he top frags. I could give examples of people owho are great duelists but don't group fight that well but im not gonna be rude. But switching opponents and knowing when to disengage, is key to groupfighting and I see a lot of solid players not doing that. Being a great duelist doesn't make you a great groupfighter,and being a great groupfighter doesn't mean you are a great duelist. Take your 10 duel heroes and watch them bait each other, and get back stabbed by my groupfighters  8)
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Re: North American Community Lists - NaCl [#WBANTZ™] UPDATE
« Reply #1630 on: February 26, 2016, 02:39:22 am »
Groupfighting takes skill lol, knowing how and trying to read your team mates mind is a lot harder then 1v1ing, 1v1ing is basically just who uses this games gimmicks better than the other, while groupfighting is a combination of working together, communication, game sense, positioning, etc. Some people are great groupfighters and not great duelists because  they understand groupfighting and focus on it/ develope their style to do so, which might not work out in a duel. But seeing as this is a team based game, groupfighting is more important too. I would rather have 10 people who understand how to groupfight than 10 duel heroes in a fight.

Though I agree somewhat, but to be a "duel hero" you basically automatically are a good groupfighter. You automatically have the skills to be a good groupfighter by being a good duelist, however being a good groupfighter does not make you a good duelist. Top tier dueling is all about game sense, positioning, and reading your opponents. Any good "Hero" worth his salt can read multiple opponents as easy as he can read one. Take a look at Jackie real quick. Hes a great duelist, but lacks communication. What makes his dueling so great though is how easily he reads his opponents and adapts his style. Every time ive FT7d him, I always start out with the early lead, only to get rolled out of nowhere once he adapts to my style and learns to read my movements. Every duelist can read opponents and adapt like that, its just the better a duelist you are, the better you are at doing just that. Thats why alot of great duelist's skills seem to translate into solid groupfighting without fail (i.e Jackie, Tammo, Russianfury, etc), so I think ill go ahead and say id rather have 10 duel heroes than 10 people who understand how to groupfight.
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We didnt have any duel heroes for that lol.
Then why did I have to go into that video and get eye cancer from the groupfighting I saw? I heard it is inherently easy.

Did you not read what I just said? I got into melee once that whole match and I got 7 kills, its just we didnt have any other "duel heroes"
I dont care about what you did. I care about what the group did.


Then dare to ask yourself if you have any right to complain when you are and alot of our "duel heroes" didnt even show

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« Reply #1631 on: February 26, 2016, 02:39:45 am »
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« Reply #1632 on: February 26, 2016, 02:56:50 am »
man this thread is too cancerous now that all the "pro duelers" got here :(
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« Reply #1633 on: February 26, 2016, 03:02:34 am »
man this thread is too cancerous now that all the "pro duelers" got here :(
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« Reply #1634 on: February 26, 2016, 03:38:48 am »
rip i wish I was there when that EU vs NA match was on