Social Justice Thread

[Gluk the Walrus]

oh sorry, you're right.

[fieldshire]

I'm offended.

[Grantrithor]

okay, things like anarcho-capitalism and marxism, i will admit, I know little about.

Which is why you should stop posting anytime.

I defend marxism as a philosophy and read some works of certain marxists and anarchists (not a lot but some) but i don't support marxism as a literal way of running things. Social Justice however is different because it is a plague of autism that has engulfed the internet with raging retards who believe they are oppressed.

Social justice =/= social justice warriors. Social justice is recognizing disenfranchised people (poor, disabled, etc...) and reforming outdated laws or society to better accommodate them. Unemployment insurance and wheel chair ramps are social justice.

Social justice warriors are white suburb kids (much like yourself) who have no idea how the world works and foolishly believe that everything wrong with the world can be blamed on a singular, as well as sometimes abstract, entity (such as the patriarchy, or a political party) as if the removal or change of that entity can fix the entire problem - then they put it on their resume.

I'm not going to argue with a conservative who calls himself a leftist and doesn't even realize what's wrong with the shit he's spewing.

You win, I guess.

You lose the debate, but won the rap battle.

[Gluk the Walrus]

Grantrithor you know what i mean when i say Social Justice

[Walko]

Because i understand the concept of egalitarianism in that are people are to be treated equal in the eyes of the law. I look at data and observable fact instead of "feelings" and make conclusions based on the evidence presented before me. Unlike you who buys into the "women are oppressed! we need change!" section of people when in actuality there are sections of the law in which women have the upper hand, specifically marriage and child care, which are not major issues but worth noting. To be a liberal, you do not have to be a feminist, at best you need to be an egalitarian but even that is not always true.

Your problem nipple is that you do not understand liberalism.

Btw, when have i ever said i was a liberal? I'm a socialist, democratic socialist to be specific.

Jeus christ. You realize that fights for feminism extend outside of the first world? There is plenty of awful/unfair treatment of women in the world still. And besides that, disregarding the fact that western culture is historically patriarchal and pretty misogynistic and deprecating of women is pretty dumb, I'm not saying it isn't getting better, and it isn't much greater than it is before, but we are still breaking free of this, and there are still definitely signs of this. IF you were to actually take the time to talk to an actual woman about these issues instead of cherry picking radical feminist bullshit on the internet and then making your own radical claims based off that you might have a different viewpoint.

[Windflower]

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[Walko]

https://medium.com/@a_rubin/i-m-a-female-scientist-and-i-agree-with-tim-hunt-8158bb657349

I barely even had to look to find something like this as well. The problems really aren't direct as "You are woman so you can't do this" It's rather how women are treated because of our perception of women. For example female scientists just seen as a distraction rather than people trying to accomplish scientific goals like the men are.

[Gluk the Walrus]

walko... when i talk about feminism, i am talking about feminism in the first world. That does not mean that i do not acknowledge feminism outside the first world but i live in the first world so it directly effects me. To the feminists who fight for egalitarianism, i applaud you. To the rather large amount of first world feminists who spout "patriarchy!" on the internet...fuck off...

Btw, tim hunt was JOKING! It was somewhat of a tasteless joke, i know but the man had his entire life ruined because of this. Do you deserve to have your entire life ruined because of one dumb comment you made?

[Archduke Sven]

Because i understand the concept of egalitarianism in that are people are to be treated equal in the eyes of the law. I look at data and observable fact instead of "feelings" and make conclusions based on the evidence presented before me. Unlike you who buys into the "women are oppressed! we need change!" section of people when in actuality there are sections of the law in which women have the upper hand, specifically marriage and child care, which are not major issues but worth noting. To be a liberal, you do not have to be a feminist, at best you need to be an egalitarian but even that is not always true.

Your problem nipple is that you do not understand liberalism.

Btw, when have i ever said i was a liberal? I'm a socialist, democratic socialist to be specific.

Jeus christ. You realize that fights for feminism extend outside of the first world? There is plenty of awful/unfair treatment of women in the world still. And besides that, disregarding the fact that western culture is historically patriarchal and pretty misogynistic and deprecating of women is pretty dumb, I'm not saying it isn't getting better, and it isn't much greater than it is before, but we are still breaking free of this, and there are still definitely signs of this. IF you were to actually take the time to talk to an actual woman about these issues instead of cherry picking radical feminist bullshit on the internet and then making your own radical claims based off that you might have a different viewpoint.

Ok, but saying that western society is misogynistic is actually full blown retarded. That implies that you hate women, none of the general adult male population hate women for the sake of their gender. If that was actually the case we would not have a society because the women would be outcasts and would only be tools of breeding. This is quite literally not the case as you can see yourself if you step outside your house and notice that we do not have separate colonies for males and females.

Other than pay equality, i think that most of the fight for feminism in western europe is really stupid.

[Nipplestockings]

What about cultural equality? Social equality? Don't you think those are good things to work for? If you talked to any given number of women they'd probably tell you that those are things they feel are important. It's not really our place to tell women that feminism is stupid, as irritating as it may be to us. We enjoy so much fucking power and privilege (yeah yeah) in our society that I don't think any of the complaints MRAs have against feminism hold much of any weight. They're just stupid shit like "Bahhh this dumb bitch on tumblr said all men should be killed. I hate feminists now!". If you actually read about the 3rd wave of feminism you may see that it's really not so unreasonable.

The vast majority of societal changes being worked for would result in a happier and easier existence for the vast majority of women, and a completely nonexistent change in quality of life for males. Anyone who thinks that feminists want to destroy male the lives of males is retarded. In reality, the only reason a male would oppose 3rd wave feminism is if he was sexist. This is not to say that everyone who opposes feminism is sexist, but that the vast majority of MRA's and opponents of the movement do not really understand it. If everyone actually took the time to research 3rd wave feminism and the rationale behind the movement, the MRA movement would most likely disappear.

[Archduke Sven]

Maybe you would feel to enlighten me then because i haven't bothered looking into feminism for the past few months.

What is a cultural or social inequality that only women face?


For me feminism isn't stupid because i think it will affect my life, my main problem with it is the lack of understanding that men and women are not the same. Our brains work differently, men are better at certain aspects while women are better at others. I don't have a problem with feminism, i think it's good that a group of people are working towards improving their lives, but i feel that the feminism i have been exposed to is disregarding history, recent changes in male-female social relations and human physiology. It doesn't help either that there are feminists blaming men for social problems that occured as a result of human nature.

[Akko]

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[Turin Turambar]

Nipple, I don't need to do a lot of research about 3rd wave feminism, I can see what they do / are trying to do every day. There is no deeper meaning behind their actions, they are just so fucking retarded that it really hurts.

But that's probably just the misogynistic sexist racist inside me.

[Tharan]

When people think the world will ever be equal lol

Thats like people who campaign for the UK parliament to be 50% of each gender and made up equal number of minorities.

[junedragon]