North and South - First Manassas 1.0 [in progress]

[Sasuau]

Imo it would be nice to see (more) variety in the mod. I agree with Hinkel that it would get rather stale if both sides were the same. If not faction-wise then at least variety in melee/shooting in different rifles, as there is now, would be nice to see continued.

Also, I am wondering about what will be done with the sharpshooter rifles. In some earlier pictures both the confederate and union sharpshooters had breech loading rifles. Firstly, I understand that people are opposed to the reloading on the move ability and that it can be unbalanced. But will they, being breech loaders, offer a more mobile role to the sharpshooters or will you give them a sniper-like role with high accuracy but slower reload. Historically the sharps rifle (breech loader) where faster to reload than infantry rifles and the sharpshooters could keep up a higher volume of fire. This source states that the sharps rifle could be fired 8-10 times a minute (7-6 second reload) and another source, an account of the Berdan Sharpshooters at Gettysburg saying something along these lines: "On a good day a sharpshooter could shoot up to 10 shots a minute" (can try to find the source later), which also falls into the 8-10 range. They were also rather accurate, but I understand that they can't be both accurate and have a quick reload in the mod for balance reasons.

Tbh I wouldn't mind having a sharpshooter rifle with no/very slight accuracy bonus but with a fast reload, which would let us be a mobile skirmishing force instead of relatively immobile snipers. Basically give the sharps carbine to the sharpshooters. Another idea would be to have 2 rifles for the sharpshooters like the infantry have, one which allows us to be mobile, and another more sniper-like one. The same Wikipedia source above claims that the Berdan Sharpshooters also used whitworth rifles which is already used in the mod by the sharpshooters.

The sharpshooters were a hot debate before and there was a hasty solution to it with the 0.5 patch. I hope that in 1.0 there can be a good and well thought out solution to them, as I don't like our current position with the weird long rifles.

/end rant

Merry christmas and good luck with the patch! I hope it will bring lots of pew pew with it. 

[Reznov]

Yes but you dont mind because you arent in a infantry regiment..... My regiment and many other infantry regiments are glad the breechloader is out and i hope we keep it like that.

No merry Christmas cuz we Dutch dont do that

[Hinkel]

My idea was:

Sniper rifles might be the most accurate weapons, but they have less ammo and they reload 2-3 times longer then a musket. So the Springfield rifle could fire 3 times, while the Sharps Rifle could just shoot 1 time.
But they are more accurate and can change their positions while reloading.

[LFCJames]

My idea was:

Sniper rifles might be the most accurate weapons, but they have less ammo and they reload 2-3 times longer then a musket. So the Springfield rifle could fire 3 times, while the Sharps Rifle could just shoot 1 time.
But they are more accurate and can change their positions while reloading.

I know this isn't really historically accurate, but, I think you should remove the reload on the move feature.

[Museal]

I think that a slow reload with a accurate rifle with no reload on the move gives the skirmishers a decent role as with the fact that all infantry receive rifles and can as a result act as a skerm it makes sense to give them a role of a long range "sniper" which infantry can not fill normally

[Commissar Jdf]

I think that a slow reload with a accurate rifle with no reload on the move gives the skirmishers a decent role as with the fact that all infantry receive rifles and can as a result act as a skerm it makes sense to give them a role of a long range "sniper" which infantry can not fill normally

There is already a sharpshooter .

[NicolasKiyoshi]

Made a small test, so you get a view on a 3D model, not just a screenshot.

Just click on the picture.

One good think i spotted on this model Mr.Hinkel, the leg/trouser is not skinny like before

[Hinkel]

One good think i spotted on this model Mr.Hinkel, the leg/trouser is not skinny like before

Thats not the only good thing

[LucasAvis]

Reloading on the move is why we almost banned Sharpshooters completely from all Linebattles, its only because MajGen Wolf instead told us that the UA Sharps had instead suggested that a simple No Reload on the Move rule would suffice that we let them carry on. However problems naturally arose due to rulebreaking.

Most simple way:

Sharpshooters 1st Choice Weapon - Very Good Accuracy, can not reload on the move and takes slightly longer than a musket to reload (2-3 times longer).
2nd Choice Weapon - Good Accuracy, can not reload on the move, takes just a tad longer than a normal musket to reload (1.5 times longer).

[Nj299]

Between the two fine pieces of weaponry, the Springfield M1842, and the Harpers Ferry M55, I believe it was... Why exactely are the confederates not implemented with a Enfield Pattern 1853?

[Hinkel]

Between the two fine pieces of weaponry, the Springfield M1842, and the Harpers Ferry M55, I believe it was... Why exactely are the confederates not implemented with a Enfield Pattern 1853?

Cause nobody in the confederate army used an Enfield Rifle at Manassas.
There was one regiment, which was equiped with the Enfield.. the 14th Brooklyn

The confederates started to use the Enfield in 1862, about 8 months after Manassas.

[LFCJames]

If this is possible for regiments for the Confederates, you know like the swords are mixed between two for some classes? I was thinking you could do the same with a Springfield 42, and a Springfield 55 for the Confeds, because the Confederates did capture 55's from the Union dead.

[Hinkel]

If this is possible for regiments for the Confederates, you know like the swords are mixed between two for some classes? I was thinking you could do the same with a Springfield 42, and a Springfield 55 for the Confeds, because the Confederates did capture 55's from the Union dead.

Well basicly, the Harpers Ferry Rifle 55 and Springfield Rifle 55 are basicly the same rifles. The production place was the only difference. But at Manassas, nearly no confederate regiment had the new 1855 model rifles. So you have to capture them of the battlefield, not within your equipment at spawn

At the moment, I am working with this historical WEAPON list:

Spoiler

2nd Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
4th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
5th Virginia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
27th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
33rd Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
7th Georgia – US M1842 Muskets.
8th Georgia – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
4th Alabama – US M1842 Muskets.
6th North Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Mississippi – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
11th Mississippi – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Maryland Battalion "Zouave Guards" – US M1841 Mississippi Rifle.
3rd Tennessee "Vaughn's Third" – US M1842 Muskets.
10th Virginia "Warren's" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
2nd Tennessee "Walker's Second" – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
1st Arkansas – US M1842 Muskets
11th North Carolina – US M1822 Muskets.
2nd South Carolina "Palmento Guards" – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
3rd South Carolina – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
7th South Carolina – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
8th South Carolina – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
5th Alabama – Tyler Texas Rifles.
6th Alabama – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
6th Louisiana – US M1842 Muskets.
17th Mississippi "Featherston's" – US M1822 Muskets.
18th Mississippi "Burt's" – US M1822 Muskets.
5th South Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
5th North Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
11th Virginia "Southern Guard" – US M1855 Harpers Ferry Rifles.
17th Virginia "Alexandria Rifles" – US M1842 Muskets.
8th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
18th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
19th Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
28th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
49th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
13th Mississippi "Barksdale's" – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
7th Louisiana – US M1842 Muskets.
7th Virginia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
24th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
4th South Carolina – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
1st Louisiana Special Battalion "Wheat's Tigers" – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
8th Louisiana – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
Hampton's South Carolina Legion – French Liege Muskets.

Union Units at 1st Bull Run:

2nd Maine – US M1822 Muskets.
1st Connecticut – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Connecticut – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
3rd Connecticut – US M1842 Muskets.
82nd New York "2nd New York Militia" – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
1st Ohio – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Ohio – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
13th New York "Rochester Regiment" – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
69th New York "Meagher's Zouaves" – US M1842 Muskets.
79th New York "Highlanders" – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Wisconsin – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
1st Massachusetts – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
12th New York – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Michigan – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd Michigan – US M1822 Muskets.
8th New York Militia "Washington Grays" – US M1842 Muskets.
27th New York "Union Regiment" – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
84th New York "14th Brooklyn" – 1853 British Enfield Rifles.
Sykes' Battalion of U.S. Infantry – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
Battalion of U.S. Marines – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd New Hampshire – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Rhode Island – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Rhode Island – US M1822 Muskets.
71st New York – French Liege Muskets.
5th Massechusetts Militia – US M1842 Muskets.
11th Massachusetts "Boston Volunteers" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
1st Minnesota – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
38th New York "2nd Scott's Life Guards" – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Michigan – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
4th Michigan – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd Maine – French Liege Muskets.
4th Maine – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
5th Maine – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Vermont – US M1842 Muskets.
1st New Jersey Militia – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd New Jersey Militia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
3rd New Jersey Militia – US M1842 Muskets.
4th New Jersey Militia – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
1st New Jersey Volunteers – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
2nd New Jersey Volunteers – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd New Jersey Volunteers – 1839 Bavarian Muskets.
41st New York "2nd Jager Regiment" – US M1842 Muskets.
8th New York – US M1842 Muskets.
29th New York "Astor Rifles" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
39th New York "Garibaldi Guard" – US M1842 Muskets.
27th Pennsylvania – French Liege Muskets.
16th New York – US M1842 Muskets.
18th New York – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
31st New York "Baxter's Light Guard" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
32nd New York – 1839 Bavarian Muskets.

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[LFCJames]

If this is possible for regiments for the Confederates, you know like the swords are mixed between two for some classes? I was thinking you could do the same with a Springfield 42, and a Springfield 55 for the Confeds, because the Confederates did capture 55's from the Union dead.

Well basicly, the Harpers Ferry Rifle 55 and Springfield Rifle 55 are basicly the same rifles. The production place was the only difference. But at Manassas, nearly no confederate regiment had the new 1855 model rifles. So you have to capture them of the battlefield, not within your equipment at spawn

At the moment, I am working with this historical WEAPON list:

Spoiler

2nd Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
4th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
5th Virginia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
27th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
33rd Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
7th Georgia – US M1842 Muskets.
8th Georgia – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
4th Alabama – US M1842 Muskets.
6th North Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Mississippi – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
11th Mississippi – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Maryland Battalion "Zouave Guards" – US M1841 Mississippi Rifle.
3rd Tennessee "Vaughn's Third" – US M1842 Muskets.
10th Virginia "Warren's" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
2nd Tennessee "Walker's Second" – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
1st Arkansas – US M1842 Muskets
11th North Carolina – US M1822 Muskets.
2nd South Carolina "Palmento Guards" – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
3rd South Carolina – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
7th South Carolina – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
8th South Carolina – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
5th Alabama – Tyler Texas Rifles.
6th Alabama – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
6th Louisiana – US M1842 Muskets.
17th Mississippi "Featherston's" – US M1822 Muskets.
18th Mississippi "Burt's" – US M1822 Muskets.
5th South Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
5th North Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
11th Virginia "Southern Guard" – US M1855 Harpers Ferry Rifles.
17th Virginia "Alexandria Rifles" – US M1842 Muskets.
8th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
18th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
19th Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
28th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
49th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
13th Mississippi "Barksdale's" – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
7th Louisiana – US M1842 Muskets.
7th Virginia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
24th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
4th South Carolina – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
1st Louisiana Special Battalion "Wheat's Tigers" – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
8th Louisiana – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
Hampton's South Carolina Legion – French Liege Muskets.

Union Units at 1st Bull Run:

2nd Maine – US M1822 Muskets.
1st Connecticut – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Connecticut – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
3rd Connecticut – US M1842 Muskets.
82nd New York "2nd New York Militia" – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
1st Ohio – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Ohio – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
13th New York "Rochester Regiment" – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
69th New York "Meagher's Zouaves" – US M1842 Muskets.
79th New York "Highlanders" – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Wisconsin – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
1st Massachusetts – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
12th New York – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Michigan – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd Michigan – US M1822 Muskets.
8th New York Militia "Washington Grays" – US M1842 Muskets.
27th New York "Union Regiment" – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
84th New York "14th Brooklyn" – 1853 British Enfield Rifles.
Sykes' Battalion of U.S. Infantry – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
Battalion of U.S. Marines – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd New Hampshire – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Rhode Island – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Rhode Island – US M1822 Muskets.
71st New York – French Liege Muskets.
5th Massechusetts Militia – US M1842 Muskets.
11th Massachusetts "Boston Volunteers" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
1st Minnesota – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
38th New York "2nd Scott's Life Guards" – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Michigan – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
4th Michigan – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd Maine – French Liege Muskets.
4th Maine – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
5th Maine – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Vermont – US M1842 Muskets.
1st New Jersey Militia – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd New Jersey Militia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
3rd New Jersey Militia – US M1842 Muskets.
4th New Jersey Militia – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
1st New Jersey Volunteers – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
2nd New Jersey Volunteers – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd New Jersey Volunteers – 1839 Bavarian Muskets.
41st New York "2nd Jager Regiment" – US M1842 Muskets.
8th New York – US M1842 Muskets.
29th New York "Astor Rifles" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
39th New York "Garibaldi Guard" – US M1842 Muskets.
27th Pennsylvania – French Liege Muskets.
16th New York – US M1842 Muskets.
18th New York – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
31st New York "Baxter's Light Guard" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
32nd New York – 1839 Bavarian Muskets.

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Interesting, I never knew they had that much variety in their weapons.

[NicolasKiyoshi]

If this is possible for regiments for the Confederates, you know like the swords are mixed between two for some classes? I was thinking you could do the same with a Springfield 42, and a Springfield 55 for the Confeds, because the Confederates did capture 55's from the Union dead.

Well basicly, the Harpers Ferry Rifle 55 and Springfield Rifle 55 are basicly the same rifles. The production place was the only difference. But at Manassas, nearly no confederate regiment had the new 1855 model rifles. So you have to capture them of the battlefield, not within your equipment at spawn

At the moment, I am working with this historical WEAPON list:

Spoiler

2nd Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
4th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
5th Virginia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
27th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
33rd Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
7th Georgia – US M1842 Muskets.
8th Georgia – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
4th Alabama – US M1842 Muskets.
6th North Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Mississippi – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
11th Mississippi – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Maryland Battalion "Zouave Guards" – US M1841 Mississippi Rifle.
3rd Tennessee "Vaughn's Third" – US M1842 Muskets.
10th Virginia "Warren's" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
2nd Tennessee "Walker's Second" – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
1st Arkansas – US M1842 Muskets
11th North Carolina – US M1822 Muskets.
2nd South Carolina "Palmento Guards" – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
3rd South Carolina – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
7th South Carolina – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
8th South Carolina – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
5th Alabama – Tyler Texas Rifles.
6th Alabama – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
6th Louisiana – US M1842 Muskets.
17th Mississippi "Featherston's" – US M1822 Muskets.
18th Mississippi "Burt's" – US M1822 Muskets.
5th South Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
5th North Carolina – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
11th Virginia "Southern Guard" – US M1855 Harpers Ferry Rifles.
17th Virginia "Alexandria Rifles" – US M1842 Muskets.
8th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
18th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
19th Virginia – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
28th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
49th Virginia – US M1842 Muskets.
13th Mississippi "Barksdale's" – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
7th Louisiana – US M1842 Muskets.
7th Virginia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
24th Virginia – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
4th South Carolina – US M1842 Palmetto Rifles.
1st Louisiana Special Battalion "Wheat's Tigers" – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
8th Louisiana – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
Hampton's South Carolina Legion – French Liege Muskets.

Union Units at 1st Bull Run:

2nd Maine – US M1822 Muskets.
1st Connecticut – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Connecticut – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
3rd Connecticut – US M1842 Muskets.
82nd New York "2nd New York Militia" – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
1st Ohio – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Ohio – US M1816 Flintlock Muskets.
13th New York "Rochester Regiment" – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
69th New York "Meagher's Zouaves" – US M1842 Muskets.
79th New York "Highlanders" – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Wisconsin – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
1st Massachusetts – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
12th New York – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Michigan – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd Michigan – US M1822 Muskets.
8th New York Militia "Washington Grays" – US M1842 Muskets.
27th New York "Union Regiment" – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
84th New York "14th Brooklyn" – 1853 British Enfield Rifles.
Sykes' Battalion of U.S. Infantry – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
Battalion of U.S. Marines – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd New Hampshire – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Rhode Island – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd Rhode Island – US M1822 Muskets.
71st New York – French Liege Muskets.
5th Massechusetts Militia – US M1842 Muskets.
11th Massachusetts "Boston Volunteers" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
1st Minnesota – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
38th New York "2nd Scott's Life Guards" – US M1842 Muskets.
1st Michigan – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
4th Michigan – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd Maine – French Liege Muskets.
4th Maine – 1854 Austrian Lorenz Rifles.
5th Maine – US M1842 Muskets.
2nd Vermont – US M1842 Muskets.
1st New Jersey Militia – M1855 Harper Ferry Rifles.
2nd New Jersey Militia – 1843 Belgian Muskets.
3rd New Jersey Militia – US M1842 Muskets.
4th New Jersey Militia – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
1st New Jersey Volunteers – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
2nd New Jersey Volunteers – US M1842 Muskets.
3rd New Jersey Volunteers – 1839 Bavarian Muskets.
41st New York "2nd Jager Regiment" – US M1842 Muskets.
8th New York – US M1842 Muskets.
29th New York "Astor Rifles" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
39th New York "Garibaldi Guard" – US M1842 Muskets.
27th Pennsylvania – French Liege Muskets.
16th New York – US M1842 Muskets.
18th New York – US M1841 Mississippi Rifles.
31st New York "Baxter's Light Guard" – Prussian 1834 Muskets.
32nd New York – 1839 Bavarian Muskets.

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I tought only the confederates had flintlock muskets at the begining of the war, then after this list i realized some yanks also had some