Israel: Zionist or Holy Defender of Civilisation?

[Duuring]

The amount of Israeli's that support giving less rights to 'Arabs' grows every year. Every generation is more convinced of their holy right to live there, and some day that is going to lead to something.

Hell, I grew up with practicly daily news reports from Israel and Gaza, when I was a kid. I never really understood why then, only that they kept fighting. Guess nothing changes.

We can't remove Israel. Nor should we. We can, however, create Palestinia. And that we should do. Israel can go stick a Torah up their bum yapping 'OV YEY IS NOT OF FAIR WE HAD HOLOCAUSTUSUTSUTUU'.

[ClearlyInvsible]

Reminds me of something that happened to me when I was on a bus in Jerusalem. Anyone up for story-time?

[Nipplestockings]

Go for it m8.

[Shredder]

Story! Story!

[Gizmo]

We can't remove Israel. Nor should we. We can, however, create Palestinia. And that we should do. Israel can go stick a Torah up their bum yapping 'OV YEY IS NOT OF FAIR WE HAD HOLOCAUSTUSUTSUTUU'.

Funny, sad and true.

[ClearlyInvsible]

Basically me and my father were on a bus to see a movie in the city. The bus got randomly searched by a bunch of IDF and they started doing an ID check on everyone. They saw me and my father's passports that we were from Morocco (We have American passports but they saw the Nation of Birth), they proceeded to drag us by the collar off of said bus and (This is according to my Israeli friend who was riding with us) "March your Jihadi asses back to your pissant country".

Eh, we still made it to where we were going. Mind my saying Die Hard is fairly badass sounding in Hebrew.

[DoctorWarband]

As far as I know Israël is a democratic country, therefore the people elect the government of their choice. So apparently, not everyone wants peace in Israël.

Not everyone, of course. There are the radical right wings which want to destroy everyone. But they are a very small portion. I personally want peace in every possible way (socialist democrat), but there are something like 60% right wings in the country, therefore it is less likely we will gain peace by negotiation, but through destroying the Hamas, which is like 10% of their population.
But we're not animals. Peace is always on the table for 80% of the people, just depending on what political agenda they believe in. Rights want to continue the operation and by that gaining peace, and lefts like me want peace through talking.

The amount of Israeli's that support giving less rights to 'Arabs' grows every year. Every generation is more convinced of their holy right to live there, and some day that is going to lead to something.

Hell, I grew up with practicly daily news reports from Israel and Gaza, when I was a kid. I never really understood why then, only that they kept fighting. Guess nothing changes.

We can't remove Israel. Nor should we. We can, however, create Palestinia. And that we should do. Israel can go stick a Torah up their bum yapping 'OV YEY IS NOT OF FAIR WE HAD HOLOCAUSTUSUTSUTUU'.

True, the religious grow every year, which is sad. They are the face of our country nowadays. Sad.

Basically me and my father were on a bus to see a movie in the city. The bus got randomly searched by a bunch of IDF and they started doing an ID check on everyone. They saw me and my father's passports that we were from Morocco (We have American passports but they saw the Nation of Birth), they proceeded to drag us by the collar off of said bus and (This is according to my Israeli friend who was riding with us) "March your Jihadi asses back to your pissant country".

Eh, we still made it to where we were going. Mind my saying Die Hard is fairly badass sounding in Hebrew.

Those are the rights. Meh. Wish racism wasn't such a problem here.

[Madbull]

Too bad the Palestinians hate every Arab around them now, could of carved out Palestinia some where.

[Augy]

This isn't an apartheid anymore. It's ethnic cleansing. I realize the UN will not recognize this as genocide, and that is exactly why their idea of a free world has failed dramatically.

The big dirty shame about Israel is not what Israel is doing, but the fact they have support from western nations that would basicly be funding their overthrow right now if they weren't directly responsible. Israel also proclaims to be a humanitarian nation.
Its more to do of what is wrong with US foreign policy than anything.

http://m.thenation.com/article/180492-israel-palestine-and-bds

[1stNOG_IDF]

This isn't an apartheid anymore. It's ethnic cleansing. I realize the UN will not recognize this as genocide, and that is exactly why their idea of a free world has failed dramatically.

The big dirty shame about Israel is not what Israel is doing, but the fact they have support from western nations that would basicly be funding their overthrow right now if they weren't directly responsible. Israel also proclaims to be a humanitarian nation.
Its more to do of what is wrong with US foreign policy than anything.

http://m.thenation.com/article/180492-israel-palestine-and-bds

I hope this entire post was a joke.

[Augy]

This is why i absolutely loathe the Israel/Palestine debate. I'm ready to be called an anti-semite for saying I sympathize with the Palestinians greatly but the resistance groups like Hezbollah kinda bother me (so now I get called an islamophobe here).
Nothing valuable ever comes out of an Israel/Palestine discussion because everyone pigeonholes me into picking a side.
Well , I side with the workers who want to be free from oppression and do not wish to oppress others. Call me nuts but also realise that Israel was founded by commies in the Kibbutz.

[Turin Turambar]

As far as I know Israël is a democratic country, therefore the people elect the government of their choice. So apparently, not everyone wants peace in Israël.

It's not a democracy, it's an ethnocracy. Arabs have much lesser rights than Jews.

But you're right. I think the reason is partial the Israelian propaganda in their own country.

[1stNOG_IDF]

I'm ready to be called an anti-semite

At no point in my very very short post did I ever call you that. Don't make assumptions.


What I'm more concerned about is where you kids got your information. Was it CNN? Good luck.

To EVER at any point claim I and other soldiers, as well as the government, that we are commiting genocide is absolutely ignorant, and a horrendously bold and stupid remark.

To make such a comment, you both:
a) Have no idea what the real situation is
and b) Should never have a place in a political discussion, even on a gaming forum.

I don't give a shit what your ethnicity is, what country you're from, or on which side you are. If your city, your family, everything you loved was under constant missile bombardment for years, you'd say, "blow the shit out of them!"

We don't. Instead, we try and minimize civilian casualties and invade to prevent hostilities in the future, which unfortunatly will never work.

To anything Warband stated, I don't really care. He's an average Tel-Aviv'er.

Demonize Israel all you want, you're no better than the terrorist organizations you're backing.

[Turin Turambar]

If your city, your family, everything you loved was under constant missile bombardment for years, you'd say, "blow the shit out of them!"

Yeah, that's also the way Palestinians think about you. Maybe not with missiles but white phosphorus.

[Augy]

Whatever IDF, youre probably one of the students that Israel pays to spread propaganda on the internet.

What you don't seem to understand is that Israeli policies created Hamas!
Israel destroyed the secular, anti-imperialist, anti-apartheid organization known as the Palestinian Liberation Organization during the 70s and 80s while simultaneously using Islamic organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood as a reactionary counterweight to the PLO. These policies eventually lead to the rise of Hamas; Israel inflicted Hamas onto Gaza and now Israel is facing blowback for it.

Israel also has bombed multiple hospitals. One if them was the only facility specializing in brain damage in gaza, I believe. Everyone from the UN to the staff at the place to foreign journalists has made no mention of it being anything but a hospital. The Israeli military is blaming Hamas for its own obviously wanton violence.
All that shit about human shields is Israel trying to cover its ass. Everybody involved here is saying that accept Israel. And let's be honest, they have every reason in the world to lie.
Even if that shit was true in every incidence that Israel brings up, it doesn't excuse the vast majority of their actions, which are apathetic to human suffering at best.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/massacre-shujayeh-survived.html