Author Topic: North American Napoleonic Wars League [Seasons 1-3; Locked]  (Read 541432 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Marceaux

  • Donator
  • **
  • Posts: 6818
  • Je suis immortel.
    • View Profile
  • Nick: 1er_Capitaine_Marceaux
  • Side: Confederacy
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2655 on: July 20, 2014, 06:34:38 am »
Im sexy and i know it. 8)


Offline Salt

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 2320
  • We really out here
    • View Profile
  • Nick: bless
  • Side: Neutral
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2656 on: July 20, 2014, 06:36:40 am »
Your human emotions stand no chance here mortal.

Also, if a regiment is a troll reg and such they cant get into the NWL or they missed the chance etc, shouldn't they have to wait until next season? Why should their members be allowed to play for other regiments? If you want to play on the competitive scene then JOIN the competitive regiment. Example: 669th are playing against the 1erSpermishers, and the 669th is usually a shit regiment but they have a few skilled guys from the 420y come play for them and the 420y are complete pro's. How is it fair for the 1er Spermishers to be matched against the 669th when in fact most of the 669th members are actually members of 420y. Long story short, fuck bitches get money.

Then those can be dealt with on an individual basis. Mack and I share the view that changing the rule would be silly. We have a handful of guys who are members of specialist regiments (arty, cav) and do not get the opportunity to participate in the league. So they join the 2te and get to enjoy fun, competitive 1v1 line events. I don't think its fair to them (or any other non league member) to be told they cannot participate in something because of one occurrence.

This league is supposed to be competitive, yes. However, its also supposed to be open and fun. I feel like this league has turned away from being fun because a few certain people put too much into the whole dick measuring contest and completely forgo the whole fun thing so that they can have 1 more win. It's ridiculous.

So I suggest that if the double regging is so absolutely one sided in a match that the admins can and should intervene (that's what they're there for.) But in this case, it was one player who was cleared to play and happened to have a good night. I'm sorry the 5th couldn't find an answer to him, but who's to say if this match had taken place again the results would not be flipped? The 5th lost the match, Zzehth had said no rules have been broken, why create such a fuss?
« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 06:38:16 am by Salt »
I'm the reincarnated Who- with no talent.

Offline Ryner

  • Brigadier General
  • *
  • Posts: 3324
    • View Profile
  • Side: Neutral
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2657 on: July 20, 2014, 06:40:14 am »
Your human emotions stand no chance here mortal.

Also, if a regiment is a troll reg and such they cant get into the NWL or they missed the chance etc, shouldn't they have to wait until next season? Why should their members be allowed to play for other regiments? If you want to play on the competitive scene then JOIN the competitive regiment. Example: 669th are playing against the 1erSpermishers, and the 669th is usually a shit regiment but they have a few skilled guys from the 420y come play for them and the 420y are complete pro's. How is it fair for the 1er Spermishers to be matched against the 669th when in fact most of the 669th members are actually members of 420y. Long story short, fuck bitches get money.

Then those can be dealt with on an individual basis. Mack and I share the view that changing the rule would be silly. We have a handful of guys who are members of specialist regiments (arty, cav) and do not get the opportunity to participate in the league. So they join the 2te and get to enjoy fun, competitive 1v1 line events. I don't think its fair to them (or any other non league member) to be told they cannot participate in something because of one occurrence.

This league is supposed to be competitive, yes. However, its also supposed to be open and fun. I feel like this league has turned away from being fun because a few certain people put too much into the whole dick measuring contest and completely forgo the whole fun thing so that they can have 1 more win. It's ridiculous.

So I suggest that if the double regging is so absolutely one sided in a match that the admins can and should intervene (that's what they're there for.) But in this case, it was one player who was cleared to play and happened to have a good night. I'm sorry the 5th couldn't find an answer to him, but who's to say if this match had taken place again the results would not be flipped? The 5th lost the match, Zzehth had said no rules have been broken, why create such a fuss?

Because they're Salty... get it? No? k...  :'(

Offline Marceaux

  • Donator
  • **
  • Posts: 6818
  • Je suis immortel.
    • View Profile
  • Nick: 1er_Capitaine_Marceaux
  • Side: Confederacy
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2658 on: July 20, 2014, 06:42:41 am »
Your human emotions stand no chance here mortal.

Also, if a regiment is a troll reg and such they cant get into the NWL or they missed the chance etc, shouldn't they have to wait until next season? Why should their members be allowed to play for other regiments? If you want to play on the competitive scene then JOIN the competitive regiment. Example: 669th are playing against the 1erSpermishers, and the 669th is usually a shit regiment but they have a few skilled guys from the 420y come play for them and the 420y are complete pro's. How is it fair for the 1er Spermishers to be matched against the 669th when in fact most of the 669th members are actually members of 420y. Long story short, fuck bitches get money.

Then those can be dealt with on an individual basis. Mack and I share the view that changing the rule would be silly. We have a handful of guys who are members of specialist regiments (arty, cav) and do not get the opportunity to participate in the league. So they join the 2te and get to enjoy fun, competitive 1v1 line events. I don't think its fair to them (or any other non league member) to be told they cannot participate in something because of one occurrence.

This league is supposed to be competitive, yes. However, its also supposed to be open and fun. I feel like this league has turned away from being fun because a few certain people put too much into the whole dick measuring contest and completely forgo the whole fun thing so that they can have 1 more win. It's ridiculous.

So I suggest that if the double regging is so absolutely one sided in a match that the admins can and should intervene (that's what they're there for.) But in this case, it was one player who was cleared to play and happened to have a good night. I'm sorry the 5th couldn't find an answer to him, but who's to say if this match had taken place again the results would not be flipped? The 5th lost the match, Zzehth had said no rules have been broken, why create such a fuss?

Well there is the problem, this is a competition in the end. Therefore it should be based around that. Not based upon pleasing every little scrub lord running around. If you wanna run with the big dogs than join the big dogs don't just come around when its play time. I do fun 1v1s allowing mercs all the time, but that has no place in a league based around competition.


Offline Salt

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 2320
  • We really out here
    • View Profile
  • Nick: bless
  • Side: Neutral
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2659 on: July 20, 2014, 06:52:11 am »
Spoiler
Your human emotions stand no chance here mortal.

Also, if a regiment is a troll reg and such they cant get into the NWL or they missed the chance etc, shouldn't they have to wait until next season? Why should their members be allowed to play for other regiments? If you want to play on the competitive scene then JOIN the competitive regiment. Example: 669th are playing against the 1erSpermishers, and the 669th is usually a shit regiment but they have a few skilled guys from the 420y come play for them and the 420y are complete pro's. How is it fair for the 1er Spermishers to be matched against the 669th when in fact most of the 669th members are actually members of 420y. Long story short, fuck bitches get money.

Then those can be dealt with on an individual basis. Mack and I share the view that changing the rule would be silly. We have a handful of guys who are members of specialist regiments (arty, cav) and do not get the opportunity to participate in the league. So they join the 2te and get to enjoy fun, competitive 1v1 line events. I don't think its fair to them (or any other non league member) to be told they cannot participate in something because of one occurrence.

This league is supposed to be competitive, yes. However, its also supposed to be open and fun. I feel like this league has turned away from being fun because a few certain people put too much into the whole dick measuring contest and completely forgo the whole fun thing so that they can have 1 more win. It's ridiculous.

So I suggest that if the double regging is so absolutely one sided in a match that the admins can and should intervene (that's what they're there for.) But in this case, it was one player who was cleared to play and happened to have a good night. I'm sorry the 5th couldn't find an answer to him, but who's to say if this match had taken place again the results would not be flipped? The 5th lost the match, Zzehth had said no rules have been broken, why create such a fuss?

Well there is the problem, this is a competition in the end. Therefore it should be based around that. Not based upon pleasing every little scrub lord running around. If you wanna run with the big dogs than join the big dogs don't just come around when its play time. I do fun 1v1s allowing mercs all the time, but that has no place in a league based around competition.
[close]

Yes I agree it's a competition. I just think people get caught up in that a little too much.

"Please do not mistake this for a show off competition though. The main focus is on having fun while being competitive and seeing where your regiments is compared to others."

I fail to see how denying others the right to fun and crying foul on the forums over a loss as having fun while being competitive instead of what it is... being a sore loser.
I'm the reincarnated Who- with no talent.

Offline Marceaux

  • Donator
  • **
  • Posts: 6818
  • Je suis immortel.
    • View Profile
  • Nick: 1er_Capitaine_Marceaux
  • Side: Confederacy
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2660 on: July 20, 2014, 06:58:14 am »
Spoiler
Your human emotions stand no chance here mortal.

Also, if a regiment is a troll reg and such they cant get into the NWL or they missed the chance etc, shouldn't they have to wait until next season? Why should their members be allowed to play for other regiments? If you want to play on the competitive scene then JOIN the competitive regiment. Example: 669th are playing against the 1erSpermishers, and the 669th is usually a shit regiment but they have a few skilled guys from the 420y come play for them and the 420y are complete pro's. How is it fair for the 1er Spermishers to be matched against the 669th when in fact most of the 669th members are actually members of 420y. Long story short, fuck bitches get money.

Then those can be dealt with on an individual basis. Mack and I share the view that changing the rule would be silly. We have a handful of guys who are members of specialist regiments (arty, cav) and do not get the opportunity to participate in the league. So they join the 2te and get to enjoy fun, competitive 1v1 line events. I don't think its fair to them (or any other non league member) to be told they cannot participate in something because of one occurrence.

This league is supposed to be competitive, yes. However, its also supposed to be open and fun. I feel like this league has turned away from being fun because a few certain people put too much into the whole dick measuring contest and completely forgo the whole fun thing so that they can have 1 more win. It's ridiculous.

So I suggest that if the double regging is so absolutely one sided in a match that the admins can and should intervene (that's what they're there for.) But in this case, it was one player who was cleared to play and happened to have a good night. I'm sorry the 5th couldn't find an answer to him, but who's to say if this match had taken place again the results would not be flipped? The 5th lost the match, Zzehth had said no rules have been broken, why create such a fuss?

Well there is the problem, this is a competition in the end. Therefore it should be based around that. Not based upon pleasing every little scrub lord running around. If you wanna run with the big dogs than join the big dogs don't just come around when its play time. I do fun 1v1s allowing mercs all the time, but that has no place in a league based around competition.
[close]

Yes I agree it's a competition. I just think people get caught up in that a little too much.

"Please do not mistake this for a show off competition though. The main focus is on having fun while being competitive and seeing where your regiments is compared to others."

I fail to see how denying others the right to fun and crying foul on the forums over a loss as having fun while being competitive instead of what it is... being a sore loser.

Just depends on how you view the league i guess. I just think for league matches it should be strictly between the 2 regiments with no other outside forces being added to the equation. For the fairest and most un-biased matches. Everyone has an opinion, i just hope whatever is best for us all is what will prevail.


Offline Chantakey

  • Donator
  • *
  • Posts: 4509
  • Slayer of Weebs, Destroyer of WoR, Fattest cock
    • View Profile
  • Nick: Hoekage of NW
  • Side: Confederacy
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2661 on: July 20, 2014, 07:01:47 am »
Spoiler
Your human emotions stand no chance here mortal.

Also, if a regiment is a troll reg and such they cant get into the NWL or they missed the chance etc, shouldn't they have to wait until next season? Why should their members be allowed to play for other regiments? If you want to play on the competitive scene then JOIN the competitive regiment. Example: 669th are playing against the 1erSpermishers, and the 669th is usually a shit regiment but they have a few skilled guys from the 420y come play for them and the 420y are complete pro's. How is it fair for the 1er Spermishers to be matched against the 669th when in fact most of the 669th members are actually members of 420y. Long story short, fuck bitches get money.

Then those can be dealt with on an individual basis. Mack and I share the view that changing the rule would be silly. We have a handful of guys who are members of specialist regiments (arty, cav) and do not get the opportunity to participate in the league. So they join the 2te and get to enjoy fun, competitive 1v1 line events. I don't think its fair to them (or any other non league member) to be told they cannot participate in something because of one occurrence.

This league is supposed to be competitive, yes. However, its also supposed to be open and fun. I feel like this league has turned away from being fun because a few certain people put too much into the whole dick measuring contest and completely forgo the whole fun thing so that they can have 1 more win. It's ridiculous.

So I suggest that if the double regging is so absolutely one sided in a match that the admins can and should intervene (that's what they're there for.) But in this case, it was one player who was cleared to play and happened to have a good night. I'm sorry the 5th couldn't find an answer to him, but who's to say if this match had taken place again the results would not be flipped? The 5th lost the match, Zzehth had said no rules have been broken, why create such a fuss?

Well there is the problem, this is a competition in the end. Therefore it should be based around that. Not based upon pleasing every little scrub lord running around. If you wanna run with the big dogs than join the big dogs don't just come around when its play time. I do fun 1v1s allowing mercs all the time, but that has no place in a league based around competition.
[close]

Yes I agree it's a competition. I just think people get caught up in that a little too much.

"Please do not mistake this for a show off competition though. The main focus is on having fun while being competitive and seeing where your regiments is compared to others."

I fail to see how denying others the right to fun and crying foul on the forums over a loss as having fun while being competitive instead of what it is... being a sore loser.

Just depends on how you view the league i guess. I just think for league matches it should be strictly between the 2 regiments with no other outside forces being added to the equation. For the fairest and most un-biased matches. Everyone has an opinion, i just hope whatever is best for us all is what will prevail.
exactly.

Offline Salt

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 2320
  • We really out here
    • View Profile
  • Nick: bless
  • Side: Neutral
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2662 on: July 20, 2014, 07:02:12 am »
Spoiler
Spoiler
Your human emotions stand no chance here mortal.

Also, if a regiment is a troll reg and such they cant get into the NWL or they missed the chance etc, shouldn't they have to wait until next season? Why should their members be allowed to play for other regiments? If you want to play on the competitive scene then JOIN the competitive regiment. Example: 669th are playing against the 1erSpermishers, and the 669th is usually a shit regiment but they have a few skilled guys from the 420y come play for them and the 420y are complete pro's. How is it fair for the 1er Spermishers to be matched against the 669th when in fact most of the 669th members are actually members of 420y. Long story short, fuck bitches get money.

Then those can be dealt with on an individual basis. Mack and I share the view that changing the rule would be silly. We have a handful of guys who are members of specialist regiments (arty, cav) and do not get the opportunity to participate in the league. So they join the 2te and get to enjoy fun, competitive 1v1 line events. I don't think its fair to them (or any other non league member) to be told they cannot participate in something because of one occurrence.

This league is supposed to be competitive, yes. However, its also supposed to be open and fun. I feel like this league has turned away from being fun because a few certain people put too much into the whole dick measuring contest and completely forgo the whole fun thing so that they can have 1 more win. It's ridiculous.

So I suggest that if the double regging is so absolutely one sided in a match that the admins can and should intervene (that's what they're there for.) But in this case, it was one player who was cleared to play and happened to have a good night. I'm sorry the 5th couldn't find an answer to him, but who's to say if this match had taken place again the results would not be flipped? The 5th lost the match, Zzehth had said no rules have been broken, why create such a fuss?

Well there is the problem, this is a competition in the end. Therefore it should be based around that. Not based upon pleasing every little scrub lord running around. If you wanna run with the big dogs than join the big dogs don't just come around when its play time. I do fun 1v1s allowing mercs all the time, but that has no place in a league based around competition.
[close]

Yes I agree it's a competition. I just think people get caught up in that a little too much.

"Please do not mistake this for a show off competition though. The main focus is on having fun while being competitive and seeing where your regiments is compared to others."

I fail to see how denying others the right to fun and crying foul on the forums over a loss as having fun while being competitive instead of what it is... being a sore loser.

Just depends on how you view the league i guess. I just think for league matches it should be strictly between the 2 regiments with no other outside forces being added to the equation. For the fairest and most un-biased matches. Everyone has an opinion, i just hope whatever is best for us all is what will prevail.
[close]

Indeed, and I respect that. However, that is not how this league operates, and I will continue to argue against any change that prevents players who wish to participate from doing so. If that is how you want it run, by all means you can run your own league, but please respect the rules and decisions of Jackie and Zzehth who have worked hard to make this league work the way it does.
I'm the reincarnated Who- with no talent.

Offline William

  • Major General
  • **
  • Posts: 8538
  • What doth life?
    • View Profile
    • Youtube Channel where I upload NW and M&B
  • Nick: CluelessWill
  • Side: Neutral
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2663 on: July 20, 2014, 07:02:26 am »
Perhaps if a player is documented in some sort of way which allows for one regiment to use this said person due to their inability to participate in the league. Take the PLG for an example, how are their members supposed to partake in the NWL if their regiment is only cavalry? I see validity to both points but I feel that with some groundwork, some sort of one way invite system could be worked out.
Check out my YT channel where I post NW www.youtube. com/c/CluelessWill
Spoiler
god damn, Anthony is smart, he was able to get the shit AEF to tie with the best reg in the game. The tactical geniusness needed to pull off such a feat is insane. He's the Erwin Rommel of NW.
i always get an erection when i check my subscrptions and see that phresh cluelesswill vid
It won't be FSE developing it, so it will come out!
[close]

Offline Chantakey

  • Donator
  • *
  • Posts: 4509
  • Slayer of Weebs, Destroyer of WoR, Fattest cock
    • View Profile
  • Nick: Hoekage of NW
  • Side: Confederacy
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2664 on: July 20, 2014, 07:10:12 am »
Perhaps if a player is documented in some sort of way which allows for one regiment to use this said person due to their inability to participate in the league. Take the PLG for an example, how are their members supposed to partake in the NWL if their regiment is only cavalry? I see validity to both points but I feel that with some groundwork, some sort of one way invite system could be worked out.
Yes but having a merc carry your regiment shouldn't be allowed if the merc changes the way the battle goes it shouldn't be allowed.

Offline Salt

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 2320
  • We really out here
    • View Profile
  • Nick: bless
  • Side: Neutral
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2665 on: July 20, 2014, 07:14:23 am »
Perhaps if a player is documented in some sort of way which allows for one regiment to use this said person due to their inability to participate in the league. Take the PLG for an example, how are their members supposed to partake in the NWL if their regiment is only cavalry? I see validity to both points but I feel that with some groundwork, some sort of one way invite system could be worked out.
Yes but having a merc carry your regiment shouldn't be allowed if the merc changes the way the battle goes it shouldn't be allowed.

That's pretty unreasonable to be honest. So the only way you can have a merc is to have them be a non-factor? Then what is the point? Now I'd be open to say if 4-5 of these "double reggers" really sway the battle then that can be reviewed with appropriate action, but let's be real, 1 person should not warrant action, regardless of how well they do.
I'm the reincarnated Who- with no talent.

Offline William

  • Major General
  • **
  • Posts: 8538
  • What doth life?
    • View Profile
    • Youtube Channel where I upload NW and M&B
  • Nick: CluelessWill
  • Side: Neutral
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2666 on: July 20, 2014, 07:16:18 am »
Perhaps if a player is documented in some sort of way which allows for one regiment to use this said person due to their inability to participate in the league. Take the PLG for an example, how are their members supposed to partake in the NWL if their regiment is only cavalry? I see validity to both points but I feel that with some groundwork, some sort of one way invite system could be worked out.
Yes but having a merc carry your regiment shouldn't be allowed if the merc changes the way the battle goes it shouldn't be allowed.
That's so contradicting...
(Typing on my phone, forgive mistakes)
Essentially, IMO, I'm saying that if, let's say the 69th RoF validates with the league that "Tavo" from the 99th Dragoons will be an "official invite" as he is not able to participate in the league and he will be bound to this one regiment, the 69th, as an official invite, meaning he could carry as hard as he wants seeing as he is officially validated and accounted for. Basically, I feel everyone should get a chance even if your regiment doesn't do NWL or isn't in a position for it.
Check out my YT channel where I post NW www.youtube. com/c/CluelessWill
Spoiler
god damn, Anthony is smart, he was able to get the shit AEF to tie with the best reg in the game. The tactical geniusness needed to pull off such a feat is insane. He's the Erwin Rommel of NW.
i always get an erection when i check my subscrptions and see that phresh cluelesswill vid
It won't be FSE developing it, so it will come out!
[close]

Offline Marceaux

  • Donator
  • **
  • Posts: 6818
  • Je suis immortel.
    • View Profile
  • Nick: 1er_Capitaine_Marceaux
  • Side: Confederacy
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2667 on: July 20, 2014, 07:17:21 am »
Perhaps if a player is documented in some sort of way which allows for one regiment to use this said person due to their inability to participate in the league. Take the PLG for an example, how are their members supposed to partake in the NWL if their regiment is only cavalry? I see validity to both points but I feel that with some groundwork, some sort of one way invite system could be worked out.
Yes but having a merc carry your regiment shouldn't be allowed if the merc changes the way the battle goes it shouldn't be allowed.

That's pretty unreasonable to be honest. So the only way you can have a merc is to have them be a non-factor? Then what is the point? Now I'd be open to say if 4-5 of these "double reggers" really sway the battle then that can be reviewed with appropriate action, but let's be real, 1 person should not warrant action, regardless of how well they do.

Well to be fair, mang is very good and equal to about 10 newer players. Its like ide rather have Lebron James on my team instead of 10 shitty players.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 07:18:54 am by Marceaux »


Offline Chantakey

  • Donator
  • *
  • Posts: 4509
  • Slayer of Weebs, Destroyer of WoR, Fattest cock
    • View Profile
  • Nick: Hoekage of NW
  • Side: Confederacy
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2668 on: July 20, 2014, 07:28:57 am »
Perhaps if a player is documented in some sort of way which allows for one regiment to use this said person due to their inability to participate in the league. Take the PLG for an example, how are their members supposed to partake in the NWL if their regiment is only cavalry? I see validity to both points but I feel that with some groundwork, some sort of one way invite system could be worked out.
Yes but having a merc carry your regiment shouldn't be allowed if the merc changes the way the battle goes it shouldn't be allowed.

That's pretty unreasonable to be honest. So the only way you can have a merc is to have them be a non-factor? Then what is the point? Now I'd be open to say if 4-5 of these "double reggers" really sway the battle then that can be reviewed with appropriate action, but let's be real, 1 person should not warrant action, regardless of how well they do.

Well to be fair, mang is very good and equal to about 10 newer players. Its like ide rather have Lebron James on my team instead of 10 shitty players.
exactly

Offline Salt

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 2320
  • We really out here
    • View Profile
  • Nick: bless
  • Side: Neutral
Re: North American Napoleonic Wars League - [Season 2 has begun!]
« Reply #2669 on: July 20, 2014, 07:30:49 am »
Perhaps if a player is documented in some sort of way which allows for one regiment to use this said person due to their inability to participate in the league. Take the PLG for an example, how are their members supposed to partake in the NWL if their regiment is only cavalry? I see validity to both points but I feel that with some groundwork, some sort of one way invite system could be worked out.
Yes but having a merc carry your regiment shouldn't be allowed if the merc changes the way the battle goes it shouldn't be allowed.

That's pretty unreasonable to be honest. So the only way you can have a merc is to have them be a non-factor? Then what is the point? Now I'd be open to say if 4-5 of these "double reggers" really sway the battle then that can be reviewed with appropriate action, but let's be real, 1 person should not warrant action, regardless of how well they do.

Well to be fair, mang is very good and equal to about 10 newer players. Its like ide rather have Lebron James on my team instead of 10 shitty players.

But even just having LeBron James does not guarentee you a win. Having Mang there or not does not mean the battle would have gone differently 100%. It was not the 5th vs Mang, it was the 5th vs. the 35th, and I highly doubt that Mang was the absolute sole reason they lost this match. He may have played a large role, but there are other players and variables.

What I'm saying is that while Mang is a good player, it's not like he made the match unwinnable for the 5th.
I'm the reincarnated Who- with no talent.