Ukraine

[Suede]

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[MaxLam]

Duuring, according to you the fact that "There are even Russians fighting on the Ukrainian side" is sufficient to reject the expression "Western Ukraine" to describe the western side, which is both geographically and politically western. And yet you are implying that the guys fighting the Western Ukrainians are "Russians" and that there is no civil war, as if all Ukrainians supported the western side. So basically you attacked me for something you did yourself in a more blatant manner, for I never said that there is only Ukrainians from the West on the Western side.

This war is substantially both a civil war and a war between Russian interests on the eastern side, and EU/NATO interests on the Western side. If you believe that all the guys fighting Poroshenko and his friends are Russians, you must have been brainwashed. I can admit that some Russian troops are probably fighting alongside local separatists, but saying more than that would be silly.

[Riddlez]

Duuring, according to you the fact that "There are even Russians fighting on the Ukrainian side" is sufficient to reject the expression "Western Ukraine" to describe the western side, which is both geographically and politically western. And yet you are implying that the guys fighting the Western Ukrainians are "Russians" and that there is no civil war, as if all Ukrainians supported the western side. So basically you attacked me for something you did yourself in a more blatant manner, for I never said that there is only Ukrainians from the West on the Western side.

This war is substantially both a civil war and a war between Russian interests on the eastern side, and EU/NATO interests on the Western side. If you believe that all the guys fighting Poroshenko and his friends are Russians, you must have been brainwashed. I can admit that some Russian troops are probably fighting alongside local separatists, but saying more than that would be silly.

Some? According to quite some (western though) media, there are about 5.000 to 7.000 Russian soldiers there now. If they are engaged in active fighting, I doubt, I suspect they are mostly for logistics and the security thereof.

[Duuring]

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I was seriously too lazy to write it correctly.

Ban Duuring from this thread please.

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[Suede]

I can admit that some Russian troops are probably fighting alongside local separatists, but saying more than that would be silly.

The U.S. military estimates around 12,000 Russian soldiers are supporting pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, U.S. Army Europe Commander Ben Hodges said on Tuesday.
To much for "some Russian troops" and for probably

[Turin Turambar]

If even the USA, the geostrategic partner of Russia says that it's probably right.

[MaxLam]

I can admit that some Russian troops are probably fighting alongside local separatists, but saying more than that would be silly.

The U.S. military estimates around 12,000 Russian soldiers are supporting pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, U.S. Army Europe Commander Ben Hodges said on Tuesday.
To much for "some Russian troops" and for probably

That's according to a "U.S. commander", and I'm not a U.S. commander. According to Putin there is none, and I have no reason to trust a "U.S. commander" any more than I would trust Putin himself.

[KurassierNixon]

I want to move to Donetsk and fight for freedom.

[Humlenerd]

I want to move to Donetsk and fight for freedom.

You need to be employed in the Russian army to do that

[Suede]

And do you trust to the Russian soldier, if he told that they were sent here directly by their commanders after months of training as a formed unit?

I want to move to Donetsk and fight for freedom.

You need to be employed in the Russian army to do that

No, he can be here as a "opolchenec"

[MaxLam]

And do you trust to the Russian soldier, if he told that they were sent here directly by their commanders after months of training as a formed unit?

I want to move to Donetsk and fight for freedom.

You need to be employed in the Russian army to do that

No, he can be here as a "opolchenec"

Are you refering to those who crossed the border and were repelled some months ago?

[KurassierNixon]

If I (American) went to ukraine and fought would thier be an uproar in Russia?

[Furrnox]

Well the Russians are said to be trained soldiers taking orders from Moscow...
There is a difference between that and volunteering..

[Nipplestockings]

If I (American) went to ukraine and fought would thier be an uproar in Russia?

There are plenty of Americans fighting on both sides of the conflict. Nobody cares as long as it's not a government action.

[KurassierNixon]

If I (American) went to ukraine and fought would thier be an uproar in Russia?

There are plenty of Americans fighting on both sides of the conflict. Nobody cares as long as it's not a government action.

Lets do it