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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #195 on: February 04, 2014, 10:18:46 pm »
yes, they were amazing, also take in effect that for a long time till 1942 i believe- they fed their armed forces amphetamines which made them perform rather great but then they started noticing addiction and how fucked up people get on amphetamines. aka tankerschocolate.

the allies did it aswel but not on the scale of the germans, holy shit.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-nazi-death-machine-hitler-s-drugged-soldiers-a-354606.html

Quite common among armed forces to use drugs and other substances to increase their soldiers' performance. It was used in the USSR up until the end of the Soviet-Afghan war.


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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #196 on: February 04, 2014, 11:05:15 pm »
Soldiers in the ACW were given cocaine pills. In the Napoleonics and looong before that, men were given alcohol, sometimes to a point where they were nearly drunk. Maybe it's on a greater scale, but really, nothing new.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #197 on: February 05, 2014, 12:12:39 am »
yes, they were amazing, also take in effect that for a long time till 1942 i believe- they fed their armed forces amphetamines which made them perform rather great but then they started noticing addiction and how fucked up people get on amphetamines. aka tankerschocolate.

the allies did it aswel but not on the scale of the germans, holy shit.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-nazi-death-machine-hitler-s-drugged-soldiers-a-354606.html

Quite common among armed forces to use drugs and other substances to increase their soldiers' performance. It was used in the USSR up until the end of the Soviet-Afghan war.

Come on Sven, no need to bash good 'ol Soviet Union. Most countries use drugs to improve their soldiers abilities. The Libyan army during Ghadaffi used viagra for raping the civilians. It's unfortunetly common things during war.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #198 on: February 05, 2014, 03:31:32 pm »
US Army used amphetamines during WW2, it was confirmed. Prussian army during Franco-Prussian war used drugs as well, everyone used it, no need to personalise.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #199 on: February 06, 2014, 11:01:39 am »
If i were you, i'd post that in a different thread because 75% of what you posted is irrelevant to the discussion. So i wont bother answering that in this thread. I will answer the on topic parts:

Oh, I seem to have not read this part of your response. Please reply to my National Socialism post, Sven. I am very curious how you will defend it, honestly.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #200 on: February 06, 2014, 12:53:14 pm »
If i were you, i'd post that in a different thread because 75% of what you posted is irrelevant to the discussion. So i wont bother answering that in this thread. I will answer the on topic parts:

Oh, I seem to have not read this part of your response. Please reply to my National Socialism post, Sven. I am very curious how you will defend it, honestly.

Why would i defend Nazism? I'm a libertarian poodle.


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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #201 on: February 06, 2014, 01:13:17 pm »
If i were you, i'd post that in a different thread because 75% of what you posted is irrelevant to the discussion. So i wont bother answering that in this thread. I will answer the on topic parts:

Oh, I seem to have not read this part of your response. Please reply to my National Socialism post, Sven. I am very curious how you will defend it, honestly.

Why would i defend Nazism? I'm a libertarian poodle.

Very well then. I was simply expecting a challenge, took me a while to write all that and find the links so. And also I honestly didn't care about your response to my Wehrmacht post, considering you used no links or citations to back up your claims.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #202 on: February 06, 2014, 01:17:59 pm »
I kind of already explained why i didn't use any citations, incase you didn't read it.

Also i wouldn't act all stuck up just because you have 'sources' of which half are wikipedia and some are even faulty considering they write the armor of  the tanks wrong, probably the price as well. Ontop of that they are all from the web.


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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #203 on: February 06, 2014, 01:55:32 pm »
Something coming from the web isn't wrong by default, just like something isn't by definition correct because you got it out of a book.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #204 on: February 06, 2014, 02:00:30 pm »
Something coming from the web isn't wrong by default, just like something isn't by definition correct because you got it out of a book.

No, not by default (looking at you David Crantz).They are just way more reliable for the reasons already stated on last page.


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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #205 on: February 08, 2014, 12:49:27 am »
Something coming from the web isn't wrong by default, just like something isn't by definition correct because you got it out of a book.

No, not by default (looking at you David Crantz).They are just way more reliable for the reasons already stated on last page.

You cannot prove my links are not reliable and I cannot prove your books are unreliable. Give up buddy.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #206 on: February 08, 2014, 12:57:34 am »
Wiki answers and Yahoo answers are great sources. Would definetly use them on my history essays.


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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #207 on: February 08, 2014, 01:00:49 am »
Soldiers in the ACW were given cocaine pills. In the Napoleonics and looong before that, men were given alcohol, sometimes to a point where they were nearly drunk. Maybe it's on a greater scale, but really, nothing new.


Psst im gonna hop in here to ask you where you get the source for cocaine pills issued to ACW soldiers?  Only heard of doctors giving opiums during surgery.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #208 on: February 08, 2014, 01:05:32 am »
Sorry Sven, but

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1. Most of the authors on internet websites have no professional careers, thus if they write wrong/and or biased information nothing happens to them, they don't have a career to lose.

What that's supposed to mean? Someone who writes on the internet does sloppy research? I can throw hundreds of scientific books at you with bad research.

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2. The information isn't critiqued before hadn by a publisher.

Publishers most of the time hardly know anything about the historical periods. An acquittance of mine made a book covering (part of) the Crimea war based entirely on primary sources, and the publisher kept making notes that came down to 'That didn't happen like that, I was thought that in high school'. Publishers check if the book is going to be sold well, not if things are historicaly correct. The publisher of previously mentioned book actually made a note that the book might be too 'anti-British' as it made short work of the various myths concerning the Crimea, and that made result in negative reactions. The author was, by the way, British.

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3. Most of the writers on the web are unreliable in themselves.

That's a pretty shabby argument. It doesn't even mean something. 'You can't be trusted because you can't be trusted'.

Psst im gonna hop in here to ask you where you get the source for cocaine pills issued to ACW soldiers?  Only heard of doctors giving opiums during surgery.

Historic magazine. If you are sure that it didn't happen, I believe you. I never did much research into it, I just remembered it when people start talking about drugs.

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Re: Why was the Wehrmacht so superior?
« Reply #209 on: February 08, 2014, 01:07:06 am »
No no I didnt have any research into that area. Was just curious if you have an article. Would like to learn more about that. So I honestly have no idea if there was cocaine pills or not.