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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5010 on: March 19, 2019, 01:27:56 pm »
Sorry just going back to the graph, it states US 64% from 67% in 2015 and for Asia 31% from 28% in 2015. That's growth in Asia and shrinking in the US.
Oceania, South America and Canada/Mexico aren't shown, but whatever numbers that graph is using to make the percentages (100% without the aforementioned countries) do show Asian growth at the cost of the US.

Of course if you could explain where the graph came from and the context maybe it would shed some light on what you're trying to show with it? Just throwing a graph in does nothing to help your argument, even if it makes you feel smart.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5011 on: March 19, 2019, 04:11:01 pm »
Tiki, you said it was at the cost of the US. It's not, it's simply the US share decreasing as the overall market value increases. US tech didn't lose value in that period, it's just that Asian firms grew faster.

The graph shows the market value and regional/national affiliation of the 60 biggest tech platform companies in the world (title/description is in German but is fairly easy for even a beginner to translate). Unsurprisingly Oceania etc don't feature. Graph itself tells you it's attributed to Dr Holger Schmidt at TU Darmstadt/Handelsblatt/Netzoekonom.de/etc. Basically he's a digital economist who uses metrics like this to track the performance of the global tech sector. 


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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5012 on: March 21, 2019, 02:46:09 am »
I'm well aware what it says on the graph, thanks. My point was, you lead with an edgy "Good luck without us" then that graph. You provided no context, nor did it appear to relate at all to the discussion.

You're right that it's not necessarily at the cost of, although it still implies that the EU is growing at a faster rate than the US (to remain at a constant % where the US falls behind).
If it's just the distribution of the value of the top 60 companies, it ignores the vast numbers of BILLION dollar companies (Mrd. is billion, which is fairly easy for a even a beginner to translate).

Regardless, this graph (showing only 60 companies from one market sector of which the majority are not EU or UK) was just taken completely out of context and dropped into the discussion as if it in ANY way shows that the EU will suffer without the UK post Brexit. It does not show that (even though that's true). If you're going to use graphics to support your arguments please at least keep them relevant.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5013 on: March 21, 2019, 02:44:19 pm »
We've talked about tech plenty of times on this thread, especially given Article 13. It is very relevant.

Comparing the top 60 companies is a valid metric. The FTSE 100, CAC 40, DAX 30 etc are all valid economic indicators for instance. Also the smallest company on there has a market cap of $2.8 Bn so it's not as if you have to be that massive to be represented.

And it's not simply 'one market sector'. Tech is shaking up just about every industry. Companies on that graph do everything from e-commerce to hospitality, finance, media etc. It's not that the EU will suffer, but rather that it's in a bad place regardless of what happens with Brexit. But since 'more Europe' isn't the right solution to the problem it's not going to be fixed any time soon.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5014 on: March 21, 2019, 05:02:20 pm »
So are you guys gonna leave at the end of the month or not?

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5015 on: March 21, 2019, 05:30:29 pm »
Steven the point still stands, please explain how that graph supports your argument.
Demonstrating the market values of 60 international companies at a single point in time shows very little, especially without any focus on British (or European) companies.

There are other graphs which show a very different picture:

https://www.ft.com/content/cf51e840-7147-11e7-93ff-99f383b09ff9

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5016 on: March 21, 2019, 10:28:44 pm »
I can't see that link as you need an FT subscription.

From the horse's mouth (EU Commission briefing paper published last week):

"Around the globe, traditionally strong industries are losing out to tech start-ups. Although this phenomenon is common around the world, the emerging champions of this competition
tend not to be European, but rather American and, increasingly, Chinese."

https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/EPSC_Industrial-Policy.pdf

Unfortunately the answer they've come up with (*spoiler alert*) is 'more Europe' but at least they've recognised the problem.

They also cite Schmidt's work where you can see the latest version of the graph (TL;DR Europe still a distant third with 3% share)
https://gyazo.com/d34cda5068207617b2274e944e4a93f8

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5017 on: March 23, 2019, 03:54:13 pm »
Worthwhile read regarding hysterical, doomsday-type rhetoric climate activism.

https://quillette.com/2019/03/21/when-children-protest-adults-should-tell-them-the-truth/

"The medium of childlike innocence has become the environmental message, and been placed on a pedestal above criticism. But, given her own insistence on the vital urgency of the matter at hand, heartwarming optics ought to be rather less important than the lack of substance. Thunberg’s rhetoric has a tendency to lapse into demagogy—simplistic, emotive, accusatory, and apocalyptic."
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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5018 on: March 23, 2019, 06:12:56 pm »
I wish these people would just say they are trying to save humanity and not Earth.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5019 on: March 23, 2019, 11:57:34 pm »
Just give her the Mandate of Heaven. Kids should rule, they know best.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5020 on: March 24, 2019, 10:44:44 pm »
Looks like Trump isn't a Russian spy after all! Nobody could have seen this coming.
 
Sgt.Winters btfo'd
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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5021 on: March 26, 2019, 03:00:37 pm »
No more memes, EU-friends :-\

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5022 on: March 26, 2019, 03:27:59 pm »
EU Copyright Directive just passed 348 to 274. MEPs also rejected voting on amendments, which could have meant killing off Article 11 & 13. All depends now on how member states will choose to implement it in practice...

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5023 on: March 28, 2019, 01:34:39 pm »
LOL!

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The EU’s internet-killing new Copyright Directive has become mired in a fresh layer of controversy after it emerged that multiple MEPs were “tricked” into voting the wrong way on it. Guido understands that an extra vote was inserted into the voting list at the last minute which threw most MEPs’ voting lists out of sync. Unlike the Commons where MPs have to physically make the decision to walk through lobbies, MEPs just robotically press buttons according to a long voting list handed out to them.

At least 13 MEPs have told the European Parliament they accidentally voted the wrong way. Now the EU has modified their individual voting records but has refused to revisit the result of the vote, despite the fact there was a majority of just 5 MEPs. The EU also rejected a direct request from MEPs to stage the entire vote again.
https://order-order.com/2019/03/28/meps-tricked-voting-wrong-way-article-13/

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5024 on: March 30, 2019, 11:00:51 am »
Yeah, you know, I don't think a British person has the right to claim some sort of moral high ground in anything related to parliaments right now.