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The Mess Hall / Re: An Apology To God, Country, and Community
« on: February 12, 2020, 05:16:53 am »
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You still don't get it. By your beliefs, the world is meaningless, making you, Sgt. Winters without meaning, making every argument you make meaningless. So you lose by default, because a creature without meaning is unable to make arguments.


To be quite frank, your own beliefs should render you without meaning as well. As stated above, even The King of Jerusalem, a man famed for his wisdom and valor, had ultimately concluded all actions fulfilled by man were vapid and nonsensical. All men, whether wise or stupid, strong or weak, rich or poor, would be rendered mute by the inescapable march of time. He then concludes that one need only be kind and enjoy the earthly pleasures bestowed upon them (Satre?). Of course, the narrator in his epilogue infers a completely different approach, but it is the Bible so this should be expected. You then have to realize that man is fallible, and if man is fallible, then the Bible must be too.

The only perfect man according to this particular Abrahamic would be Christ (though cursing a fig tree for being out of season might disqualify him from that venerable position), as he is essentially a manifestation of God's will. Jesus is our savior; the one who shall not lead us astray, but instead guide man into understanding that the only way to enter God's eternal kingdom is through him. This is perhaps the most confusing aspect of the entire theological quandary that presents itself in Christian Canon. For why would God allow Eve to sin by coveting the forbidden apple, thereby cursing all who would come after her to be damned if absolution had not been received? Furthermore, why would he wash away the sins of man through means of a global flood, if he had enabled the possibility to sin from the beginning?  Why is he trying to save mankind through the means of Christ if the origins of sin had been one he himself had constructed from the cosmos? If this is a test, then it is a poorly thought out one. Eternal punishment from a seemingly all-loving God seems to be contradictory. Finally, if there is indeed a purpose to all of this, do we have the free will required to deny it?

The book of Ecclesiastes is considered canonical by all accounts. However, if one were to factor in the possibility of you belonging to one of the many other various denominations (of which there are estimated to be anywhere between 1,400 to 33,000), then your mileage may very.  One could draw the conclusion that extracting any sort of information from Biblical sources and labeling it as truthful could be viewed as contradictory in and of itself.

You needn't look any further than the numerous paradoxes, illogical statements, and antithetical verses that are scattered throughout the Old/New Testament.

For more information, see here: http://bibviz.com
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"This is why I speak to them in parables:

Though seeing, they do not see;
    though hearing, they do not hear or understand." Mat 13:13

It sounds like you're copy pasting arguments from r/atheism into your dialogue because its quite evident that you have never read the bible or at the very least you take it extremely literally (which is pretty ironic since you present yourself to be knowledgeable).

What the Preacher was imparting to the reader is that a life filled with the pursuit of carnal/fleeting desires is a life not worth lived. Because when you are in the presence of The Lord, you will not be taking your possessions with you, and you will realize all the time you spent studying Dawkins, Hitchens, Nietzsche, etc. was fruitless.
You ask "Why would God allow Eve to sin?" This makes it pretty clear to me that you're just using somebody else argument to fall back on because I've answered this question so many times for you: (Here I'll put it in all caps so you see it this time)

GOD GAVE US FREEWILL; HE ALLOWS US TO REJECT HIM

Have you ever taken a test before? Yes? Are there wrong answers in a test? Yes? Okay. I can only explain this to you in so many different ways.

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That begs the question: How can something that is created be without meaning? Well...It can't. Everything that is created has a purpose for being created. But I'm not going to stay on this for too long because it seems you like to keep your eggs in many different baskets so lets try another way in your worldview.

By what definition are we defining purpose here? Is the purpose of grass to be eaten by a Zebra, who in turn shall be devoured by a pack of lions? A stillborn is created from the womb of its mother, and yet no purpose can seemingly be derived from it, only grief. If I were to postulate from your previous examples, you must assume that creation inherently necessitates purpose. That is true only from a human perspective. A watch is built by its owner in order to tell the time of day; a car manufactured  to drive from point a to b; a rifle produced for the intention to kill. Naturally, it would only make sense to us specifically to ask the question that because we are here, then we must be here for a purpose instilled prior to our arrival. I must ask you then, as to why would God produce such a gigantic cosmos (of which the observable portion isn't even said to resemble that of a whole number), if we were to be the sole inhabitants. Seems like an awful waste of space, no? If their purpose is to serve as celestial decorations that we may gaze upon when night falls, then surely an omnipotent God would have designed it a bit better, considering they keep blowing up, or getting sucked by black holes, take your pick. Mathematically speaking, there would inevitably some sort of life that has formed on some distant planet completely out our reach. If the only path to salvation is through the means of Christianity, then you should pray that God has graced them with his presence, else they suffer eternal hellfire at the hands of Satan.

If you wish to be provided with a more local example, look no further than the appendix present within our own bodies. Evolutionarily speaking, it no longer serves a purpose. It's a vestigial organ, phased out slowly over hundreds of thousands of years, and yet it still remains apart of the man's bodily anatomy. Spartan may be better equipped to answer this, but still I must beg the question; other than possibly bursting open and causing us immense pain, what purpose does this appendix currently serve? Should it not have been eliminated slowly if all things are created with inherent meaning like you claim?
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How is purpose from creation something that man came up with? Tree's are necessary for life because they release oxygen is order for us to breathe. Water allows life to thrive. Our eyes allow us to perceive the world. Of course in a sense you are right because we are not able to discern the true essence of something; that is called Truth and God is Truth.
Also its disingenuous to ask me to answer very specific basis-by-basis questions that I of course could never answer in confidence (What is the purpose of a baby that dies in the womb? What is the purpose of this one guy who lives in a sewer and has every disease known to man?) because I am not God and I do not have all the answers for why the world is as it is.

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So if we were to believe that we are "going along for the ride" and that the chemicals in our brain are making all the decisions for us, you, Sgt. Winters, are still not making any arguments. You are unable to form your own ideas or even write this entire spiel because everything you do is a chemical determined process therefore you are unable to make ANY FORM of argument.

I struggle to see the connection you are attempting to make here. While there are aspects of neuroscience that indicate that we cannot control certain aspects of the way we respond to things (such as the fight or slight response), it does not purport the assertion that we have no direct jurisdiction over our own actions. The chemicals that control us are still us despite claims to the contrary. Just because a painting is a collection of oils and colors splattered onto a blank canvas, does not take away from the fact that it is still it's own object. The very machines we are using right now are nothing but zeroes and ones displayed on a screen, but they certainly create a far more vivid image than that.

From the Christian point of view, surely you must realize that the God you espouse states throughout the entirety of the Bible to be the following: omniscient (John 1 3:20), omnipotent (Matthew 19:26), omnipresent (Psalm 139), transcendent (Isaiah 57:15), infinite (1 Kings 8:27), incorporeal (John 4:24), impeccable (Hebrews 6:18), and utterly incomprehensible (Isaiah 40:28). Psalm 139:4 even goes as far to say that God already knows what we shall say before the words are even uttered from our lips. Isaiah 46:9-10 goes EVEN further in stating that God knows how the world shall end, along with every single event preceding it. From this we can assume that God is the past, present, and future. His immutable plan has simultaneously been played and not been played. He already knows what shall occur because he has deemed it so. You could say that this has all been predetermined by an ordinance of heavenly proportions. Hm?
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Isn't it ironic that you acknowledge all these characteristics of God yet you yourself are attempting to question his methods? You say he is past, present, and future, yet you then say that his plan is fallible. (Also some more of your copy-pasting)

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I think you have a misconstrued view of God and what he does, which is why you're coming to these strange conclusions. You have the stereotypical atheist view that God is supposed to be some superhero who comes in and saves the day every time something wrong is going to happen (Or at least thats what you want God to be). As I said or at least hinted at before: God is trying to teach us LESSONS. If he just came in and saved the day by his own hand every time something went wrong we wouldn't learn anything. It seems to me that you want a God who can be pushed over, or one that gives you anything you want because you want it. The thing is, people don't know what they want or what they need; like you pointed out, look at the state of humanity right now.

The "stereotypical" view that you reference here isn't entirely without merit. If anything, God in this context is a maniacal supervillian. He destroyed Sodom and Gommorah, flooded the world clean save for Noah, his family, and two pairs of every animal species (all 8.7 million of of them somehow), and helped the Israelites murder innumerable amounts of people at Jericho, Bashan, Hesbon, and many others. For lesser known instances, you may pick from any of these: ordering bears to maul children for their mocking of Eliseus (4 Kings 2:23-24), asking Abraham to sacrifice his own son (Genesis 22:1-12), assisting Sampson after losing a bet by helping him kill all 30 of his companions (Judges 14:1-19), wrestling with Jacob for seemingly no other reason than to be a dick (Genesis 32:22-31), and pretty much everything that happens to Job that is he is responsible for (can be found in the Ketuvim section of the Hebrew Bible). If these are lessons, in combination with all sorts of supernatural occurrences that heavily resemble that of magic, then they are doing a piss poor job of teaching anyone anything. Can't he just come down here and tell us to stop killing each other and be kind, rather than communicate through cryptic messages and genocide?
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   Again, most of these are parables. You are superimposing God with your human traits. Him taking life is not evil because he is the creator of all life. And before you make assumptions, you cannot make a metaphor of God being a King who doesn't obey his own rules because again you would be comparing him to a human king. Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed because there were no more virtuous people left in the cities. Abraham pleaded with God to save the cities if there was 50 righteous people left within the walls, then 45, then 40, then it came down to if there was 1 righteous person left he would spare the city. There was none left. With Noah and the flood, literally every single man and woman was filled with wickedness in their hearts, all except Noah. So he destroyed the rest of man and left Noah to be the father of the new world. I'm not going to explain every reference you made, but I'm sure you get the gist.

Well...he has come down and told us to do these things...such as when he creates the Decalogue. How many times does he have to come down or perform some miracle for you in order for you to accept him? It seems like most people treat him as some cheap magician who will give you a parlor trick every time you ask. God doesn't have issues, we have issues.

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I don't understand why you're puzzled by what I said because of course I'm going to answer your question from the perspective off the Christian belief.

I mean, usually most modern Christians debate using methods originating with Aquinas, C.S. Lewis, or William Craig. Some of your rhetoric came of as something an 18 year old Mormon on his mission would exclaim, which is unconvincing really.
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I don't feel like to I need to appeal to any Christian/Theist philosopher's authority in order to make my argument. If I added more adjectives and esoteric verbiage would you think of me more kindly? It isn't an entirely complex thing I was trying to explain; you asked me "Why does God allow evil" and the answer for that is pretty simple. If anything I am borrowing ideas from Rene Girard.

At the end of the day there are millions of way to be wrong, but only one way to be right. I don't think it matters what I say to you or if I used any of the methods from Aquinas, C.S. Lewis, or William Craig. Somebody you barely know over NW isn't going to be able to invoke the reactions necessary for change. At this point we are just debating for brownie points. I'll listen to your response to what I wrote, but I don't think I'm going to respond (at least in a polemic nature).

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The Mess Hall / Re: An Apology To God, Country, and Community
« on: February 11, 2020, 06:39:46 am »
Okay, if you are nothing but a result of deterministic environmental factors and it is true that your consciousness is merely an illusion (which is the deterministic belief), I win the debate because you do not exist and therefore you are not making arguments. I am the only one left standing.
This is the natural result of your worldview.
If we were to go by your worldview, life is without meaning, therefore you are without meaning, making everything you say meaningless. Why should I listen to anything you say?
And regarding the "suffering" you claim to have afflicting you, how can billions of people who do not exist suffer? You do not exist; your consciousness is an illusion so how are you able to suffer?
This is why the deterministic/materialist mindset is fallible; it is built on quicksand and collapses in on itself.

I'm describing more along the lines of soft determinism/compatibilism. It does not in any way imply that the self is an illusion. That is some whack Sam Harris crap that I don't describe to in the slightest. Hard determinism, which states that all actions are entirely out our own control, doesn't even go as far as to say that our conscious is an illusion. Also, there is a fine line between illusion and delusion. This is more along the lines of solipsism, which implies that the only person that can be confirmed to exist is yourself. If we want to see actual determinism, simply observe the ways on how children grow up in different environments. If a man is born into a Christian household, he will be taught the Bible, attend church, and base his morals off of what Christ and the Apostles had brought forth.

Conversely, if you are brought up by Hindus, said child would not eat beef, would seek out the purification of his moshka, and ultimately accomplish all aspects of Dharma. In both cases, the child did not have a say in how he was raised, as it was determined for him by outside forces (parents, culture, tradition, etc...). Sure, it isn't hardcore Calvinist pre-determination, but I trust you can see what I'm getting at here when I say that the environment heavily dictates the people we become and how we respond to life's events.

In accordance with your belief system of Christianity, you too should regard everything as meaningless toil.

As stated by Kohelet in the Hebrew Bible, who relents at his efforts being for naught:

“Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher,
vanity of vanities! All is vanity.

3 What does man gain by all the toil
at which he toils under the sun?

4 A generation goes, and a generation comes,
but the earth remains forever.

5 The sun rises, and the sun goes down,
and hastens to the place where it rises.

6 The wind blows to the south
and goes around to the north;
around and around goes the wind,
and on its circuits the wind returns.

7 All streams run to the sea,
but the sea is not full;
to the place where the streams flow,
there they flow again.

8 All things are full of weariness;
a man cannot utter it;
the eye is not satisfied with seeing,
nor the ear filled with hearing.

9 What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun.

10 Is there a thing of which it is said,
“See, this is new”?
It has been already
in the ages before us.

11 There is no remembrance of former things,
nor will there be any remembrance
of later things yet to be
among those who come after.”

-Ecclesiastes 1:1-11

There also numerous examples of determinism from God's perspective, seeing as how he is omnipotent and all that shebang. Some of these may differ if you assume biblical prophecies to be similar in terms of determinism, but recall the psalmist exclaims to God that "In your book were written all the days that were formed for me, when none of them as yet existed" (Psalm 29). It would appear that God had determined quite a bit before it had even happened, does this mean it is an illusion as well? Should the objective meaningless insinuated by both our sides of the court cancel out any sort of discourse previously had?

I shall put forth another example that was used from a previous debate:

This is a small example, and one I'm not entirely sure of myself regarding the circumstances, but consider the story of Joseph in Genesis.

Had Joseph never reached this point, he wouldn't have been able to interpret the Pharaoh's dreams, along with advising him store grain and to aid the Israelites during the great famine. None of that also would have been possible had Joseph not been casted out by by his siblings and subsequently bought by the captain of the guard. Would said guard's wife have always made the false rape accusation against Joseph had he refused?

Following the emigration of the Israelites from Canaan to Egypt, Joseph exclaims to his brothers the following verse: "Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life." Genesis 45:5 KVJ.

It seems to me, that it is heavily implied that God had intended for Joesph to be abandoned by his brothers and sold into slavery, so that he may eventually work his way up to the position of vizier. With this power, he would be in a position to help sustain the Levant (and Egypt) during the famine that the Pharaoh had seen in his dreams. Was God aware of the fact that Joesph's colored coat would lead to his exile? Did he predetermine the dreams Joseph had so that he would eventually find himself in the position of vizier, a position influential enough to help the Canaanites?

If i'm going to take the stance as a Christian and answer why there is suffering. What I have to say is this:

Life is not without struggle or suffering. There has never been a single person who hasn't struggled or suffered in life. Pain is a way to show what not to do and what to stay away from. For example if you were to put your hand on a stove it would burn and you would feel pain, which lets you know not to do it anymore. You learn a lesson. We invited evil into the world by our own hands, and we are given freewill to commits acts of good or evil. You ask "why does God allow trillions to suffer", but it isn't God who is allowing them to suffer it is ourselves perpetuating that suffering. We are not "good" believe God calls us. We are always sinning. The only man I would call good is Jesus Christ the Son. He is the god-man. He is what we should all desire to be like, for God came down as a man (Which is important, Jesus Christ is man) to show us the way. If God came in to stop every evil-doer and make a world fully good he would be taking away our freewill, and the entire test on Earth would be pointless. Mankind will come to an end, but people don't want to accept that death is coming so we try to immortalize ourselves. I do not believe in Heaven because I fear death, I believe in Heaven because I fear God. In the same way you would fear a king or your boss; he put rules in place and if you break those rules you will be held accountable. When my time comes and I have to face the Father and he looks into my heart, I want to be confident I lived a life full of meaning and that I lived it walking in the path he set out for us. It seems most people nowadays want a Personal God that they can leverage or push over, that they can order what to do, so they themselves can be a god.
I should end this by saying that like you I used to be a atheist/materialist, but a little over a year ago God revealed himself to me, and I cannot deny his voice any longer. It seems to me you want to believe in The Lord, but you are too upset to accept him right now. I truth do empathize with you because I was once in your position, and I know how difficult it is to believe at the start. I still have many questions of my own, but I just started this lifelong journey and I hope I continue to be a steward of God.
I urge you to pray for God to reveal himself to you (If he hasn't already); I will also pray for you.

I'm quite puzzled by this piece, so I'll refrain from making a fool of myself by butchering the theological point of view you ascribe here. Instead I'll just say..... thanks I guess? This reads like something I would have received from a pamphlet after Holy Communion. In fact, I can't even be sure if you are being dead serious here.

You still don't get it. By your beliefs, the world is meaningless, making you, Sgt. Winters without meaning, making every argument you make meaningless. So you lose by default, because a creature without meaning is unable to make arguments.

That begs the question: How can something that is created be without meaning? Well...It can't. Everything that is created has a purpose for being created. But I'm not going to stay on this for too long because it seems you like to keep your eggs in many different baskets so lets try another way in your worldview.

So if we were to believe that we are "going along for the ride" and that the chemicals in our brain are making all the decisions for us, you, Sgt. Winters, are still not making any arguments. You are unable to form your own ideas or even write this entire spiel because everything you do is a chemical determined process therefore you are unable to make ANY FORM of argument.

But, for some reason I think you may try to flip-flop or use your rhetoric expertise to try and navigate your way out of the trap you set for yourself because I'm not even sure you know what you believe in.

I think you have a misconstrued view of God and what he does, which is why you're coming to these strange conclusions. You have the stereotypical atheist view that God is supposed to be some superhero who comes in and saves the day every time something wrong is going to happen (Or at least thats what you want God to be). As I said or at least hinted at before: God is trying to teach us LESSONS. If he just came in and saved the day by his own hand every time something went wrong we wouldn't learn anything. It seems to me that you want a God who can be pushed over, or one that gives you anything you want because you want it. The thing is, people don't know what they want or what they need; like you pointed out, look at the state of humanity right now.

I don't understand why you're puzzled by what I said because of course I'm going to answer your question from the perspective of the Christian belief.

Also I know I'm coming off as condescending, but I just don't understand why you wear this pessimistic, painful, and pointless belief if it causes you so much suffering. I would surmise it's because you believe you're taking the ultra hardcore blackpill, but as you have said if you realize that this is all predetermined why are you still here? Why is anyone still here? We should have no issue killing ourselves because its only a logical conclusion if we realize that we are merely programmed machines and there is no real reason to exist. Then one would say that it's merely an "illusion", but you already stated that you apparently don't subscribe to that thinking.

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In my perspective, it is the work of "The Satan" or "the deceiver" which is causing to subscribe to these ideologies because through this he is able to taint your spirit and you end up where you are now.
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I'm more than willing to explain myself further, and I would be interested to hear why you came to be the way you are as well, but I'd prefer Steam PMs since it would be pretty personal.

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The Mess Hall / Re: An Apology To God, Country, and Community
« on: February 10, 2020, 01:02:06 am »
Jeez, talk about being verbose lol
Like Theo said, this post-modernist materialist mindset really is the scourge of our time. It's really only in these 1st world countries where we're incredible comfortable in our technology that we whine about existential suffering. Back in antiquity most understood that suffering was normal. It is the nature and role of "The Satan" to poison your mind with atheistic/nihilistic thoughts. Satan is the parasite of God. He is the evil that destroys itself in order to perpetuate his kingdom, for if he plunged the world into ultimate chaos and destroyed mankind, he would cease to exist. You seem to dread (If this is you and not a copypasta) that humanity is going to end, but is there any other way? We are finite beings interacting with an infinite universe. We are all guilty of original sin; the sin to be God. We wanted to decide what is right for our lives and God allowed us to do so, and now we complain that everything is without meaning. God is sovereign over all, even Satan, but most won't accept The Lord because they fear they will be a "slave" (Again, people thinking they know what is best). You are given freewill to choose your father, whether he be Satan or The Lord. The biggest delusion and lie is believing that the entire universe was created by chance. If these great men of science say everything is designed with a purpose why would the universe be exempt from that rule?
I'm going to have to disagree.

There is no evidence of God, Satan, Angels, miracles and whatnot. We are merely another cog in the evolutionary machine; the only self aware species after 4.5 billion years of natural selection and blind biological gene mutation. Our actions are dictated by a mix of environmental determinism and sapient compatibilism. We are stuck in an endless loop of gene delusion that cannot be broken. Mankind suffers from the same faults as every other species: become the top of the food chain, reproduce and consume at an unsustainable  rate, die off en-masse. Hell, most of us must deny our own mortality and existential predicament just to get out of bed every day. Nature did not provide us with enough cognitive abilities to function without a higher power overall. Sure, the individual may be able to come to that conclusion and live a "good" life. However, once you pull all of mankind into that equation, and you got a group of confused monkeys drinking, fucking, and killing their way into bland hedonism. It's a humanist's worst nightmare; a biological dead end.

If there is a God then I cannot see how he would justify his creation and call it good. A creation, mind you, that has rendered 99.98% of its inhabitant species extinct, allows the suffering of trillions of organisms daily, and will ultimately be consumed by the very thing that allows it to thrive in the first place. It's unfathomable how fucked this whole situation is, and how we must shelter and delude ourselves in order to maintain a thin veil of sanity. The worst part is that none of us even asked to participate in this mess. This life is thrust upon us without anyone asking in the first place. It may be an unpopular stance, but birth may very well be worse (or at least on par) than murder or rape. I've unfortunately come to somewhat resent my parents for their actions, though I remained conflicted as to whether or not to blame them for it. After all, this is just what happens, as it has since the beginning.

Dawkins in River Out of Eden:

"The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference."

 Okay, if you are nothing but a result of deterministic environmental factors and it is true that your consciousness is merely an illusion (which is the deterministic belief), I win the debate because you do not exist and therefore you are not making arguments. I am the only one left standing.
This is the natural result of your worldview.
If we were to go by your worldview, life is without meaning, therefore you are without meaning, making everything you say meaningless. Why should I listen to anything you say?
And regarding the "suffering" you claim to have afflicting you, how can billions of people who do not exist suffer? You do not exist; your consciousness is an illusion so how are you able to suffer?
This is why the deterministic/materialist mindset is fallible; it is built on quicksand and collapses in on itself.

If i'm going to take the stance as a Christian and answer why there is suffering. What I have to say is this:

Life is not without struggle or suffering. There has never been a single person who hasn't struggled or suffered in life. Pain is a way to show what not to do and what to stay away from. For example if you were to put your hand on a stove it would burn and you would feel pain, which lets you know not to do it anymore. You learn a lesson. We invited evil into the world by our own hands, and we are given freewill to commits acts of good or evil. You ask "why does God allow trillions to suffer", but it isn't God who is allowing them to suffer it is ourselves perpetuating that suffering. We are not "good" believe God calls us. We are always sinning. The only man I would call good is Jesus Christ the Son. He is the god-man. He is what we should all desire to be like, for God came down as a man (Which is important, Jesus Christ is man) to show us the way. If God came in to stop every evil-doer and make a world fully good he would be taking away our freewill, and the entire test on Earth would be pointless. Mankind will come to an end, but people don't want to accept that death is coming so we try to immortalize ourselves. I do not believe in Heaven because I fear death, I believe in Heaven because I fear God. In the same way you would fear a king or your boss; he put rules in place and if you break those rules you will be held accountable. When my time comes and I have to face the Father and he looks into my heart, I want to be confident I lived a life full of meaning and that I lived it walking in the path he set out for us. It seems most people nowadays want a Personal God that they can leverage or push over, that they can order what to do, so they themselves can be a god.
I should end this by saying that like you I used to be a atheist/materialist, but a little over a year ago God revealed himself to me, and I cannot deny his voice any longer. It seems to me you want to believe in The Lord, but you are too upset to accept him right now. I truth do empathize with you because I was once in your position, and I know how difficult it is to believe at the start. I still have many questions of my own, but I just started this lifelong journey and I hope I continue to be a steward of God.
I urge you to pray for God to reveal himself to you (If he hasn't already); I will also pray for you.

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The Mess Hall / Re: An Apology To God, Country, and Community
« on: February 09, 2020, 05:42:31 am »
Jeez, talk about being verbose lol
Like Theo said, this post-modernist materialist mindset really is the scourge of our time. It's really only in these 1st world countries where we're incredible comfortable in our technology that we whine about existential suffering. Back in antiquity most understood that suffering was normal. It is the nature and role of "The Satan" to poison your mind with atheistic/nihilistic thoughts. Satan is the parasite of God. He is the evil that destroys itself in order to perpetuate his kingdom, for if he plunged the world into ultimate chaos and destroyed mankind, he would cease to exist. You seem to dread (If this is you and not a copypasta) that humanity is going to end, but is there any other way? We are finite beings interacting with an infinite universe. We are all guilty of original sin; the sin to be God. We wanted to decide what is right for our lives and God allowed us to do so, and now we complain that everything is without meaning. God is sovereign over all, even Satan, but most won't accept The Lord because they fear they will be a "slave" (Again, people thinking they know what is best). You are given freewill to choose your father, whether he be Satan or The Lord. The biggest delusion and lie is believing that the entire universe was created by chance. If these great men of science say everything is designed with a purpose why would the universe be exempt from that rule? 

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Off Topic / Re: How's your decade been?
« on: December 27, 2019, 02:22:51 pm »
Technology makes me pray to logic and science makes us strong
We rape the ignorance of man, prepare the arrival
Right on time he arrives
Alleviate the symptoms from a toxic society
We praise the future

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Competitive NA Events/Tournaments / Re: NA Spring 4v4 League
« on: December 22, 2019, 04:22:31 am »
im going to draft all the people who dont like me

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The Mess Hall / Re: NA All-Time Duelists/Groupfighters
« on: December 22, 2019, 04:01:58 am »
most games have new things constantly being added or changed, making players change the way they play. The devs didn't touch NW melee for 5 years after 2013. Yes, the average player did get better over time, but the top players (Top 10 or Top 20,) already knew how to use the games mechanics...its a 2 attack direction game w/o stamina, everyone uses the same weapon, same stats and theres static blocking. The argument that it took top players 5 years (2012-2017) to learn how to use the games mechanics to their best ability is just laughable. It is the Top players in every game who decide the new meta, not the other 99%. NW's meta (In NA at least) was,

2012-2014: More aggressive playstyles, feints, some chambers.
2015-2016: Counter heavy playstyle, lots of chambers, stuns, some feints but still pretty aggressive.
2017-Now: More passive focused, heavy focus on stuns, holds, kicks, and counter chambering

Again, this was not how EVERY player played, but it was generally the meta
All that changed was the way the top players played, which trickled down into the rest of the community.
I do agree that groupfighting did improve a lot over the years (generally speaking for NA only, again the top regiments and teams were still good at groupfighting), as there was also a shift towards more teamplay in NA in its latter years

tl;dr: top 10 in 2014 are just as good as top 10 2019

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The Mess Hall / Re: NA All-Time Duelists/Groupfighters
« on: December 19, 2019, 04:16:56 am »
Okay, it's come to my attention that this list may be more controversial than I initially thought, so I'm going to do this 1 of 2 ways.
1. I post all the names I have gathered so far so we can discuss who should be on/taken off from it
2. I gather a bunch of you and we discuss it in teamspeak w the list I currently have

I'm down for either.

If I go through with option 2 and you would like to be included in the conversation, PM me on Steam https://steamcommunity.com/id/GMS3026/

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The Mess Hall / Re: NA All-Time Duelists/Groupfighters
« on: December 19, 2019, 12:25:12 am »
---------------UPDATE---------------
Added the regimental rivalries to the list, thanks to everyone who helped create the descriptions for them. I also added the Mang vs Alexander description (thannks Nick). This one requires a lot of data mining from other forums/people, so thanks for the help.

In the future I will be moving around some players on the Canadian list, but I think Yoshie & Godfried are staying where they are. Overall, Godfried has a greater impact on the game than Yoshie did, so I feel he deserves the #1 spot.

My next list will be "Most Impactful/Influential" which I know for sure will be super controversial :). I asked A LOT of you your opinions on this matter, and I will probably ask again, so if you want to give me suggestions go ahead. Basically its going to be separated into "Melee Influence" vs "Community Influence". The community aspect will probably dip into regimental leading as well.

Special thanks to Russian, Nick, Asian, Theo, Risk, and Law for helping me w the list!

EDIT: Also, Ritz407 will be staying as #10 since thats what you guys voted for

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The Mess Hall / Re: NA All-Time Duelists/Groupfighters
« on: December 18, 2019, 10:25:04 pm »
Ye I took that out I'm straight wrong in that statement, came out wrong.

Nonetheless
Yoshie #1 Canadian
Godfreid # 2 possibly if you rate dueling highly
then maybe Lithios
Seeing as there was nobody in NW who could beat Godfried in a ft7 consistently for 2+ years, I think that warrants him above Yoshie. Like the guy would get ft7s requests everyday he was on at one point.

How did Who- managed to get that rank? He was not that good when we we're in the 12th, he was just a great guy with a incredible humor.

Lithios should be #1 CA all time, even he did not play after 2015.

Add a new section, best NA1 admins and best MX (I know we have lots of players and it will be difficult to choose)
Who is ritz407?

I understand you're a boomer, but Lithios was not as dominant as Godfried or Yoshie, and tbh the only argument I think you can make it that he is a better groupfighter than Godfried. Who- is at #4 based of empirical knowledge and from what others told me. I could see him going down 1 maybe 2, but i think he should remain close to top 5. I don't know any of MX players other than yourself lmao. Ritz407 was in Lawbringers regiment, I think he was most active in 2014/15

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The Mess Hall / Re: NA All-Time Duelists/Groupfighters
« on: December 17, 2019, 11:48:06 pm »


- Added Piktonss to "Best Newgens" as HM











...my mind is blown
if you expect to be on there let me remind you that you are not a newgen cwater, even though you may think you are

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The Mess Hall / Re: NA All-Time Duelists/Groupfighters
« on: December 17, 2019, 10:31:58 pm »
How did Vetro vs Suns get on this? Their "rivalry" involved roughly 50% mocking dead relatives, 20% discussions of domestic violence, 15% sugary food addiction, 10% height/weight arguments, and 5% dueling. It was admittedly entertaining, but I'd classify it more as an abusive relationship.
-vetro vs suns
+matt vs bill
if we're being real here 2018/19 Bill didn't really stand a chance against Matt lmao

Hypothetically in your opinion would peak Bill have beat Matt tho :/
bill would do well, but no, peak matt is good enough to compete against the top 5 duelists in na

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The Mess Hall / Re: NA All-Time Duelists/Groupfighters
« on: December 17, 2019, 10:23:52 pm »
How did Vetro vs Suns get on this? Their "rivalry" involved roughly 50% mocking dead relatives, 20% discussions of domestic violence, 15% sugary food addiction, 10% height/weight arguments, and 5% dueling. It was admittedly entertaining, but I'd classify it more as an abusive relationship.
-vetro vs suns
+matt vs bill
if we're being real here 2018/19 Bill didn't really stand a chance against Matt lmao

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