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Community / Re: PETITION: To Add Grenades Into Napoleonic Wars for Grenadier Class
« on: November 13, 2014, 12:07:13 am »
Too slow, was back in the mod version a long time ago.
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Members cannot be "poached" as it is feasibly impossible, everyone unfortunately has free will and has the right to think that a new group might give them a better game time. If he/she "poaches" members of your regiment be glad them gone as it means less complaining of things in the regiment that others appear to be satisfied with.
Its as bad as the "kill stealing" argument as kills cannot be stolen until the kill is awarded thus "kill stealing" is probably the worst naming of the situation more of "Taking a kill I have not confirmed yet, thus the game has not awarded me yet that I believe I can get easily, that you have just taken that opportunity away from me".
Still the same whine as 2012?
Don't worry your members have not been poached, they have simply elected that they do not feel comfortable playing in your regiment and have thus elected to move somewhere else. If they havn't moved? be happy for that fact they prefer your company over someone else rather than making any deal of it, instead just laugh, brush the chip off your shoulder and carry on.
Yes members of his regiment have free will. If they were to say leave and join 54e then that would be fine. However the idea of the leader intentionally adding and attempting persuade the members to leave the regiment and join the 54e is not.
Just read back what you said there mate, it is still there choice to leave no matter the persuasion or not. All he is doing is clearing out the members that quite clearly don't really want to be there anymore, they wouldn't leave if they had no reason to. Just because that reason comes along doesn't mean because there is another person involved it is wrong.
Does this make sales people bad people? I'm pretty sure it doesn't. If anything you should really be angry at the person leaving not the person behind the reason for their leaving. They offered nothing more than an opportunity that your member decided to take, this happens in the work place all the time where staff members are poached, has anyone really done wrong here? No everyone is actually getting something out of it:
Persuader gets what they intended to get.
"Pursuadee" gets what they seem to want.
The leader gets rid of someone who is quite clearly not loyal or putting the effort into the group as they want.
Really the person loosing out the most here is the person persuading as they tend to gain people they didn't really want ... a hell of a lot of instability there.
Remember no-body owes you anything, you started with nothing.
The feud started because I kicked the leader of the 53e and his "Cavalry" buddies out after he was trying to go against my orders. This isn't really a problem. The thing is is I've been in the community since M&B was just Native online. Been around and watched the community change. Change is good but understanding the principles that He will offer everyone Colonel in his regiment just to get them to join is sad and pathetic. What happened to all of you "Veterans" on the community actually having dignity and go back to how things were when people will actually STILL interested in the community. The #1 reason why old regiments have disbanded is because they're bored with the game because the community is turning out to be an explosive war on people crying and whining until they get what they want. The reason for this post is to entirely let you know that the 53e with people telling him no, keeps offering my new recruits higher positions, adding people from my steam group to try to talk them into joining. This is not only disrespectful, it's downright pathetic and if you want BCoF to be awesome, look in the mirrors and realize who is the real problem in this community. Is it the person telling you that this BS is happening behind everyone's back, or is it the person who is actually being that sad and pathetic over the game? Doesn't matter how awesome BCoF or NW is, if you have a crappy community nobody will come around. So all of you "Veterans" claiming you've ran several regiments and that they've all been successful or you claim that you are the "Best" at anything, find the real problem and stop blaming it on everyone else when you are the only ones to blame.
Members cannot be "poached" as it is feasibly impossible, everyone unfortunately has free will and has the right to think that a new group might give them a better game time. If he/she "poaches" members of your regiment be glad them gone as it means less complaining of things in the regiment that others appear to be satisfied with.
Its as bad as the "kill stealing" argument as kills cannot be stolen until the kill is awarded thus "kill stealing" is probably the worst naming of the situation more of "Taking a kill I have not confirmed yet, thus the game has not awarded me yet that I believe I can get easily, that you have just taken that opportunity away from me".
Still the same whine as 2012?
Don't worry your members have not been poached, they have simply elected that they do not feel comfortable playing in your regiment and have thus elected to move somewhere else. If they havn't moved? be happy for that fact they prefer your company over someone else rather than making any deal of it, instead just laugh, brush the chip off your shoulder and carry on.
Yes members of his regiment have free will. If they were to say leave and join 54e then that would be fine. However the idea of the leader intentionally adding and attempting persuade the members to leave the regiment and join the 54e is not.
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Typing this from me mobile - pls no grammar h8
When a community starts to shrink, and regs start fighting over recruits, events, etc. Then obviously you get bad inter-clan/reg relationships. Think the Warband or CoD clans are any friendlier? I think that the magic of this game is that so much is community-sponsored, and so requires them to co-operate, not just co-exist, by running LBs, etc. Part of the fun with NW is that you do need to co-op with your teammate, and so teamwork becomes more relevant. Private servers, at least when the community is thriving, offer similar benefits to those seen in free markets - they run completely on donations (so no season pass etc.) and actually provide some competition between servers for who will provide the best service, etc. Mapping, a crucial part of Warband, also contributes to this. As for reg in-fighting, well, sadly, that is part of Human nature; a problem which is exacerbated here by the need for ranks. And just as you have the losers who bitch about anything, you also have people who just relax and DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEIR IN-GAME RANK. So if you dont care, just ignore the power struggles, let them pass you by, and MOVE ON! They just play the game. And, at the end of the day, you don't need a regiment to play. You can join with a m8 and just have fun, the two of you, on whichever server you want, whatever time you want... I joined the 21o_SB at my 30th minute (now im at 1500 hours), 18 months ago, and hae only played 30 LBs, or less, since I dontt enjoy them that much. My choice - no-one forced me to do anything! (As for the Ban-On-Sight thing, that is usually employed by rather sad regiments who try to abuse their power in a game. I would recommend that you never join with your full reg tags to any server that isn't an LB or your private regimental one. Pro Tip). The regiments system is only designed for those who want to experience a more historically realistic environment, and prefer teamplay to just playing alone all of the time. And, happily, regiments are not the majority. The larger ones, at least, now that the old 91st is gone, are relatively tame. Smaller reg, and troll regs (Bush_Pirates, etc) which fragment and troll the community are the issue here. Large regiments are impressive just to see playing on a single server, let alone participate in one, even if it is for an hour or two each week.
I sadly sense that you are one of the disillusioned veterans that has witnessed everything (and there's a lot) there is to see in NW, and has probably had bad experiences of his own in a regiment in the past. I intend to play Warband till the end, and continue to BCoF and Bannerlord as soon as they come out. But please don't try to spread your negativity to those who actually continue, and will continue, enjoying this game.
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I don't know how u can reasonably argue that regiments are not the majority. Join a server - most are in a regiment. Regiments keep this game going and floating, my worry is an over reliance on regiments but thats just the type of game it is. As for 'negativity' people still play the game, people still enjoy it but for me its lost its touch. As Karth said, people with undoubtedly buy BCOF I will probably try it, but the time period is of no interest to me or alot of other EU players and therefore I reckon you will see a NA sided community for a change. I can see EU players flocking to a good bannerlord mod for NW which will no doubt be created. Yes I agree there are good regiments, good people in the community, I have been here since 2010 I have met some amazing people. But within that time period I can say with confidence I have never met such a bitchy community as there is in NW. The nice people in the community are usually those guys in regiments who are just your standard ranker who comes on for a few linebattles now and then.
I just wish power could be someway shifted from such a 'clan-centric' type of game. By 'hope for youtubers and steam', I meant that these are the 2 core ways indie developers get sales. Quite frankly with steams new game policy, indie games are flooding the market daily. Will that drown out BCOF? We will see. Open markets are great in the real world, competition is good it creates better and more innovative products at cheaper prices. However in a game such as this is it ideal? Lets be honest seeing as you seem fond of economic terminology. Lets think of the big regiments as monopolies, they dominate the consumer base in servers. Small regiments just like in the big world seriously struggle to get people to actually play on their 'better' server due to the multiplier effect(barriers to entry). With this in mind these big regs rarely improve their servers all that often with the same monotonous maps etc. Large regiments dominate this game for good or bad, leaders have huge impacts on the community for good or bad. You call it negativity, I call it another opinion.
Unfortunately what BCoF offers is what has already been accomplished. I'll wait to see what it offers towards the end but I don't see anything changing nor being offered throughout the countless number of Developer blogs.I believe that the 500 player multiplayer, melee system, destructible environements and ACW Era will set it apart in this crowd. If you came to BCoF expecting that FSE would try to "innovate" or something, and spit in the faces of the existing community by taking a huge risk by changing genre or something, then, frankly, you haven't really gotten the scope of the game. It's not necessary to feel a burning passion and/or desire to own BCoF- most of the community has lost that by now - it's enough, imo, to jsut be interested enough to know that it exists, read the Dev Blogs every once in a while, and possibly tell your friends about it. After all, there has been no advertisment up to now, and we have only really seen screens and description of the game - no real gameplay footage. There is no reason for BCoF to be over-hyped, as, Hype, as we saw in many of 2014's games (WD and Destiny, for example), may often lead to a product being under-delivered and disappointing for those who expected miracles.
We'll still see though but without that special something its just shiny graphics on the same principles of what is already out there.
After looking at what is already there with many of it seeing as placeholders for the screenshots, it looks exactly like what you already have ... a Mount and Blade engine, mount and blade animations ... there is just nothing that stands out with a wow factor for me in this game and for a few others I know who are genuinely interested but don't feel so as they see more.Once again, let's leave all the assumptions about how good BCoF really is until the game is actaully previewed in an alpha state. The one things that the devs have going for them is their past work: NW, in terms of the Warband engines limitations, was nothing short of a true masterpiece. Hoepfully, the skill evident in NW will be present as well in BCoF. As for delays, we see today that they are not limited just to small indie titles, but also to AAA "Blockbuster" titles (like Battlefield: Hardline, GTA V (PC), etc). We got it, this game so far has disappointed you, but we have to let the team actually develop it.Ergo, I would politely suggest that you guys
BCoF needs something that screams "Amazing" otherwise it will fall flat on its face, and it seems that way with the donations at the moment.and let the devs take their time to deliver on what they promised. NW's sets the bar extremely high for my expectations, so we should wait for a playable version of the game before making any generalised assertions on what FSE can and can't do...SpoilerGET SOME F*ING PATIENCE[close]
Lmao, the amount of contradiction in some users posting on here who are veterans or been away for months Is amusing to say the least. Of course the game is getting old like any other, of course people lose interest, but honestly there are so many new players everyday who still get NW and play, and who still join regiments and will stay in them for years, maybe the veterans are gone but it doesn't mean the community in the game itself is dying, forums are different. Obviously there are many new regiments popping, but most intelligent new players will go to one's already established and stable. I am quite positive an enormous amount of vets who quit NW will flock to BCoF and all the players in NW will as well, even if they just got NW. Again same old talk for so many months, but when the game is released put your money where your mouth is, and everyone will forget about all this.
Give them time, donations they have probably isn't enough. Although wonder if they ever tried seeking actual investment to make it a full time thing
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You're right, people will forever keep making the mistakes. Oh, and since you made some distasteful comments, I may say that you're a typical arrogant Dutch. Also, river dancing is of Irish origin; the sheep stereotype is more of a Welsh one.
I know. I didn't know whether you were Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish, so I took the three of them as a clear sign of not-being-English.
And yes, I'm a typical arrogant Dutchman. Honesty and telling people things to their faces directly is considered proper in my culture. It's slowly fading away due to Americanization, but not if it's up to me.