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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: September 23, 2014, 04:45:46 pm »

It's funny that you consider a fundamental principle such as the right of people to self-determination "hippie", but not the usual western jingle about "human rights", which you are using there too, except it's supposedly directed against pro-western positions. The question of self-determination is certainly much more important since this war didn't start because of a lack of respect for "human rights", but rather because of an infrigement of basic democratic principles.

If my "hippie" right of people to self-determination was respected by the US and western-European governments, they would:
1. Recognize that Crimea is part of Russia.
2. Recognize the right of the Donbass population to hold a referendum like Scotland did a few days ago.
Yet they don't.

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: September 23, 2014, 12:28:48 pm »

I believe that we should respect the right of people to self-determination. If western Ukrainians want to be ruled by their "chocolate king" and his Svoboda and Right Sector lackeys, so be it. If the mostly Russian-speaking inhabitants of Donbass want their independance, this is their right too. If the right of people to self-determination had been respected from the very beginning, Ukraine could have remained a united country. Unfortunately, national hatred and stupidity led to this kind of situation (including of course Yanukovych's own stupidity).