Well lancers only have one attack direction, making their attacks easy to block. I would rater fight a lancer than a hussar.
Lancers are by design an anti-cav class.this pretty much sums it up but i would describe Hussars as anti-skirmish/arty cav, as well as flankers,as they are faster they can dodge past lines and attack the weak points (i.e. arty and skirms) sure skirms might kill some but Hussars can kill them all and get out before they can get counter attacked (if timed right)
Heavy Cav are basically an anti-infantry class.
Sure,but block a couched lance.Actually "light" or "medium" horses lancers get are shittier versions of those other classes get - they're slower, less maneuverable and have less health.
Skilled lancer will use his light horse to drive and stab some other horses then retreat-its annoying and impossible to counter.
As a person who constantly plays with and against lancer regiment, I can lancers are not OP. It is not that hard as a Hussar to make a lancer buck then you cut them in half because they cant block.Lancer just has to ride away. Dont forget that he has got light horse.
Couched lances shouldn't be a problem unless you let yourself get dehorsed.When your horse stops, the next thing that you usually see is
Heavy Cav are basically an anti-infantry class. Their ability to take hits with their armor plus that very powerful sword is what makes them good against infantry. They however so slow that they are easy targets for any cavalry class that has medium or light horse. (as long as those players know what they are doing.) I would say it is best to avoid any cavalry fight as heavy cav.
QuoteLancer just has to ride away. Don't forget that he has got light horse.
I don't know how often you play on cav gf (didn't see you), and how often you face skilled lancer. It's not a problem to kill noobs, no matter what class they play.
I play nothing but Cav anymore whether that be in US1, in Linebattles, or groupfighting. I even train against the 1erPLG(NA) and they are the best Cavalry Regiment in NA from what I have seen. I know how to effectively kill lancers. You make them buck and use you horses mobility to get behind them and cut them while they are still stuck.QuoteWhen your horse stops, the next thing that you usually see is
Well it doesn't really matter what you get killed by when your horse bucks. You put your self in that bad situation.QuoteAgain, lancers got freaking lances, and can couch them. The only thing they have to do is couch their lances and charge infantry from behind. Of course, they can draw their sabres and play like hussars as well. I wouldn't say that heavy cav is anti-infantry. Footman have more time to attack cuirassier, than hussar. After stab, usually your horse or you are dead. Anyway, i get your point, and there i some truth in it.
So what if they have lances and can couch them? A bayonet can outrange a lance anytime. and the heavy cav sword is a lot longer than the sabre that hussars get on top of the fact that the heavy cav sword is almost always a 1 hit kill for me. You can fight with infantry and still make it out alive even after taking a hit or two. Hussars can't do that. They can only rely on outflanking to stay alive and fight on.
In my opinion Lancers are relatively easy to take out, one rage inducing event is when you get snaked by a friendly then stabbed by an enemy lancer.
In my opinion Lancers are relatively easy to take out, one rage inducing event is when you get snaked by a friendly then stabbed by an enemy lancer.
There are 2 types of lancers: good lancers and noob lancers. Killing a noob lancer is easy but if you fight against an experienced lancer in open terrain...they are not easy to defeat :)
I dont see lancers as a problem, as with the right tactics you can easily take them out. It is annoying at times, but not more annoying then pointblanking etc.
There is just no way to kill skilled lancer with a cuirassier and it's almost impossible to do it with hussar. They have no disadventages.
There is just no way to kill skilled lancer with a cuirassier and it's almost impossible to do it with hussar. They have no disadventages.
The best way to change it is to make lancers able only to couch the lance, make the lances really slower or give lancers heavy horses.How is completely and utterly destroying the class the best way to go?
There is just no way to kill skilled lancer with a cuirassier and it's almost impossible to do it with hussar. They have no disadventages.
I am a cuirassier and i will tell you that it´s not impossible to kill lancer. In fact a competent cuirassier will kill a competent lancer every time, becouse :
1. You can not block with a lance
2. The lance can only stab
3. Sword have multiple attack direction, which mean you can attack from multiple angles which very important during a cavalry fight
Lancers are not a problem, when you become competent cavalryman you will see lancer and say "Look ! Free kill !" becouse they are very easy.
Some tip I can give for you :
1. Stay behind lancer
2. Stop their horse by riding in front of it (make sure to block down so they can´t hit you)
3. Cut them down
You will get used to it ! Never say it´s impossible or you´ll never learn !
1. Stay behind lancerThis one is interesting. Please, tell me how the f*** are you going to do this, when you have got heavy horse, and enemy is mounting light one? Anyway, don't forget that in point 1 usually your horse's head gets stabbed.
2. Stop their horse by riding in front of it (make sure to block down so they can´t hit you)
How is completely and utterly destroying the class the best way to go?Lances are hussars with long stick, that doesn't drop. They have to just use lances in first attack, and then draw their sabres. (What is historically based)
Play sometimes on cav gf, or register your regiment for cav gf tournament. If you will sill have doubts, play a battle with another lancer regiment (eg. FK), and after that tell me if you have won any round.
Jeez, there are 2 baisc points that make this class so unbalanced
1 - Light horses, so they can run away after stab
2 - Ability to do 120° with their extra fast lances.
(3 - before you say sth again about "blocking" lances, teach your horse to block them first)
And at last, ask yourself a question, why cav gf server is thinking about blocking lancer class, so nobody could play it. And maybe, why in crpg lances are nerfed as well.QuoteHow is completely and utterly destroying the class the best way to go?Lances are hussars with long stick, that doesn't drop. They have to just use lances in first attack, and then draw their sabres. (What is historically based)
Secondly, in the two Cavalry groupfighting tournaments hosted by Jyppa and myself, no team of lancers made it further then round two.Maybe because one team was hiding in corner and had been slaughtered by me and my friends? I assume that second team wasn't much better.
14pk was training with FK twice, when they were plaing as hussars/cuirassiers we were winning, when they picked lancers they won with us about 8:2. Same with another lancers regiment, 1ps. When they were plaing as lancers, they were kicking asses. Classes had been changed, and then we won about 6:1.
In that case, the problem to me appears to be that you have had to little training in how to properly deal with lancers. Nerfing them is not the way to proceed.
In that case, the problem to me appears to be that you have had to little training in how to properly deal with lancers. Nerfing them is not the way to proceed.
I won't argue with you in this way, because it's pointless. Try to kill lancer with a cuirassier and cuirassier with a lancer on cav gf server in the evening. You will get my point.
If your point is, that there is nothing wrong with having badass hussar-lancer that has got huge advantage over any other cav unit, then ok, i appreciate it.
Waiting for other opinions.
It has always seemed to me that the most important in NW are line battles. GF events are only added to them and changing the balance of the game only for a single server is not a good idea.Yup, but gf shows how one cav is good against other. Don't forget that struggles cav vs cav take place on lb's as well.
Another cpt. ObviousFrom my experience on cgf lancers are only a problem when you are not moving, as a hussar I nearlyy always manage to turn my horse and then slash across them.
In native i can choose my eq. Here i can't.
I can kill "normal" lancers, but this class is just too easy to play. You need no skill to ride around and stick your lance somwhere, or just couch is and charge another horseman while fighting. My point is that lancers should be harder to play and require more skill just as heavy cav and hussars do.
The most annoying, op and best cav unit.Lol...Another person saying Lancers are OP. I've been dealing with this since the MM days.
Lancers are almost as fast as hussars, got freaking lances that are long and fast as hell and can both couch lances and thrust them.
There is just no way to kill skilled lancer with a cuirassier and it's almost impossible to do it with hussar. They have no disadventages.
The best way to change it is to make lancers able only to couch the lance, make the lances really slower or give lancers heavy horses.
Thanks for your attention.
You know nothing about me, my regiment nor skill of both, so don't even try to say that i'm just noob or i can't play. I won't answer to your "message". First stop hating and offending.Revan might not be the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but hes got a point.
You know nothing about me, my regiment nor skill of both, so don't even try to say that i'm just noob or i can't play. I won't answer to your "message". First stop hating and offending.I'm not hating on you or your regiment.
Lol...Another person saying Lancers are OP. I've been dealing with this since the MM days.
Lancers are 'almost' as fast as hussars....but hussars can still kick a lancers ass.
It's that speed they have.... ::)
There is a way to kill skilled lancers....I'm a skilled lancer...and I've been killed many times by, for example, Pepper of the 1erPLG, who uses hussar mainly, and Griffith of the 256th(?)...Who also always uses hussar. We all have fun fighting each other because we all know we're so skilled. We all know that we need to concentrate a lot to make sure we get the other.
"it's almost impossible to do it with hussar"....I can tell you right now, that, you don't know what you're talking about.
"The best way to change it is to make lancers able only to couch the lance, make the lances really slower or give lancers heavy horses."......Again...you don't know what you're talking about. Only being able to use couched lance?
1. You never played Lancer or haven't played Lancer class enough to know how stupid this sounds.
2. Veteran/Skilled Lancers don't really like using couched lance...simply because it doesn't have a lot of reach as a simple thrust of a lance does.
3. Give Lancers slower horses? Again...you don't know what you're talking about.
My advice to you is, now don't get mad, to get some skill.
Yes...some skill.
I've dealt with too many noob players from both the Cav classes and mainly infantry classes saying how OP Lancers are.
I've also dealt with a good chunk of players who are actually good at the game.
And can also deal with lancers.
Both good Infantry Players and Cavalry players.
I already gave you two examples of some of the best Cavalry players I've seen, Pepper and Griffith.
Good Infantry players?
There is,
Chester, LittleGuy, Ghosty, Colonys.
Why don't all of these good veteran players don't whine/complain about lancers and you do?
Because they know how to play the game.
Because they're actually good at the game.
So go get some skill please.
P.S
Anyone who whines about any in-game class is like if someone were to say
"Hello my name is rock I think scissors is ok but paper should be nerfed."
That's how silly you sound.
Get skill. Get skill. Get skill.
P.S.S
Like someone already said on Page One....lancers were already nerfed from MM.....
If you get enough whiny/noobish/ no skilled players to complain about something that they don't understand....then the highers will change it...because majority rules..
And as a experienced cavalry player....(Since Cavalry is the minority in this community) we really have no say in anything.
And it really pisses me off when some noobish player(s) comes whining about Lancers.
Especially the little weirdos who have rarely played as Lancer, Rarely played as lancer but yet have a full understanding of it.
We Lancers already have it hard enough.
With the Infantry being able to shoot us from afar, middle, or short distance.
With Infantry being able to kill us when we get dehorsed and we have our faces in the ground.
With Hussars having the upper hand in speed and killing us whilst on top of horses.
With Heavy Cavarly having their very tough horse, being able to take more hits.
Let us lancers have what we have!
Lancers are far from being OP, in MM it was different story mainly because then couched lance outreached bayonet (meaning inf with unloaded guns were free kills for lancer) and ability to block with lance made skilled lancers impervious to hussars. However, now their horses are even crappier and they cannot block with lance and bayonets got longer.
Lancers mainly backstab infantry (which cannot make them OP since any class can backstab), while against cavalry they have upper hand against heavy cav while hussars can easily keep out of lances range or dodge it until they get an opening, when lancer dies because he cannot block.You know nothing about me, my regiment nor skill of both, so don't even try to say that i'm just noob or i can't play. I won't answer to your "message". First stop hating and offending.Revan might not be the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but hes got a point.
As have been shown before, lancers get crappier horses than other classes. They cannot harm aware infantry (since blocking down is easy, and trying to couch lance aware infantry will just get you stabbed), once they get their horses reared they're dead and they cannot go toe to toe with hussars. Really, they're only good against heavy cavalry and dragoons (everyone's good against dragoons though).
Considering heavy cavalry goes thru infantry as hot knife thru butter, I consider that a fair trade-off.
I remember when I used to think lancers were OP but after a while I decided that instead of complaining about it, I would get better and improve myself and learn to defeat them. As a hussar I managed to become the bane of lancers and found myself responsible for more than a few dead lancers. To beat a lancer requires timing, maneuvering, and some balls. If you just charge straight at them you will most certainly die a painful, agonizing death. Revan can testify on my behalf I'm sure. Dragoons who do drive-bys are the real assholes :PYes, KillerMongoose! I most certainly agree with you.