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Title: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 11, 2014, 10:03:00 pm
Now sport has always contained a lot of violence, sometimes for the better. How far is too far?

Today in the Rugby League Grand Final this happened.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9513493/flower-sees-red-in-grand-final-

In Hockey we see fights all the time. Football less so, though some horrific injuries do happen.

Thoughts on the place of rough play and fights in sport?
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: AeroNinja on October 11, 2014, 10:03:58 pm
Racists! Video not allowed in Belgium. :'(

But from the picture I saw. That arm... If he punches. D:
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 11, 2014, 10:05:50 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrPBnxacK2Q&spfreload

Youtube link should work.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on October 11, 2014, 10:06:22 pm
When you start biting :^)
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: AeroNinja on October 11, 2014, 10:06:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrPBnxacK2Q&spfreload

Youtube link should work.
Oh! Thanks USE. :D
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 11, 2014, 10:51:50 pm
They stopped murders in a Mexican prison by allowing them to box to solve their problems. Most fights last 1 or 2 rounds.


Football doesn't have a lot of fights because punching a guy in the helmet isn't very effective. The defense is not on the field playing the opposite defense. You have many chances to get back at a player with a tackle and unlike hockey you get ejected or your team uses some serious yardage if you're responsible for a fight.

As for hockey. Some of the fights are "staged" meaning; There is no conflict. A team wanting to send a message and gain momentum. You can also basically gain a "time out" during a fight and kill the oppositions momentum. Removing fights in hockey has usually opened the game to cheap shots and more violence during play.

Example: There is a lot less fights in the KHL because of their rules but when they happen they are pretty ugly and involve whole teams and dirty stuff.

There's also a trolling nature in the sport with great occasions to get under a persons skin.
I've personally enjoyed this privilege as a player and coach.

http://youtu.be/jY5s0V3kpv4


I used to put my weight on my stick on top of this opposite players stick in-front of my goalie to prevent him from catching passes. He started having a tantrum and slashed and dropped his stick and other bunch of nonsensical crap. He eventually got a penalty, I skated up to him to say thanks for the freebie.

Go in corner for the puck. Guy comes to lay a dirty hit in your back. Move away from the puck at the last second. He will collide with the boards and fall on his knees with the puck between his legs. "Play the puck" make sure by "coincidence" you put all of your weight into his head on the boards. He gets the penalty (attempt to injure). He starts complaining to the ref about you. Then tell him it's not your fault he plays like a vagina.


To sum it up. controlled violence is much better then uncontrolled violence and sometimes it prevents uncontrolled violence from happening. Good players are good because they care. People who care get emotional about it. People become volatile and stuff happens. Horrific injuries mostly happen in uncontrolled moments of violence. Except in Rugby and American Football.

http://youtu.be/ftGo5FR6umY
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 11, 2014, 11:12:49 pm
Was a big fuss in the Netherlands a while back when a referee was kicked to death in an amatuer football match. Stirred shit i nthe entire country. With us, it's just soccer though. Only waterpolo and handball are the rougher sport and field hockey is basically only agression from the public, the players actually never give a shit.

Anyway, go solosports if you want a nice attitude.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 11, 2014, 11:17:07 pm
Too much testosterone in one place

Fuk sports
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 11, 2014, 11:40:28 pm
Too much testosterone in one place

Fuk sports

To rise above it and troll the testo heads. Is the beauty of it.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: The Rebel on October 11, 2014, 11:57:33 pm
Bae

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBc8Fb3CQtE
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 12, 2014, 12:01:15 am
Should I pull up that little video of that Italian bugger being headbutted by the glory of Zidaine?
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 12, 2014, 12:01:29 am
Spoiler
Bae

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBc8Fb3CQtE
[close]
Bitch please. Kicks off on the second part of the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ6vNstacYI&spfreload

Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 12, 2014, 12:03:36 am
This thread is going to devolve into sports-porn isn't it. Sooner or later someone's going to bring up some hooligan riots.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 12, 2014, 01:52:29 am
The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 12, 2014, 02:19:30 am
The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

Do I need to give you the lecture that we gave Furrnox when it came to nice cars?
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Josef Lenin on October 12, 2014, 08:33:24 am
Violence in sports?

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcbssports.com%2Fimages%2Fblogs%2Fadrian-peterson-emmitt-smith-record.jpg&hash=0b630ead4898205211edac43665786be3b83c029)
I don't think Adrian agrees.
[close]
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 12, 2014, 08:43:16 am
The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

I think you need to talk more about things you know nothing about.

Frankly I don't think you understand sports.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on October 12, 2014, 12:32:06 pm
The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

You're a special little snowflake aren't you? Why do you always feel the need to spout your unwanted bullshit on every thread? If you don't care about the subject one way or the other, do everyone a favor and fuck off.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 12, 2014, 12:35:40 pm
You're a special little snowflake aren't you? Why do you always feel the need to spout your unwanted bullshit on every thread? If you don't care about the subject one way or the other, do everyone a favor and fuck off.
To be fair I'm not the one going on sports threads hating on sports. Sorry if I angered you. I tend to go on political threads and talk about politics... Most of the political contributors do the same...
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on October 12, 2014, 12:38:13 pm
Wasn't directed at you  ;)
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 12, 2014, 12:39:35 pm
Oh. Sorry I coulda swore It was for some reason.
Please pardon me for overlooking it.

I'm quite stupid for failing to see your quote thing. My bad. Cheers mate
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 12, 2014, 01:05:27 pm
The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

Do I need to give you the lecture that we gave Furrnox when it came to nice cars?
No cause Fuk sports
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 12, 2014, 01:21:01 pm
The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

Do I need to give you the lecture that we gave Furrnox when it came to nice cars?

cars are awesome.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 12, 2014, 01:37:01 pm
The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

I think you need to talk more about things you know nothing about.

Frankly I don't think you understand sports.
I've done the sports. Fistings from coach

The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

You're a special little snowflake aren't you? Why do you always feel the need to spout your unwanted bullshit on every thread? If you don't care about the subject one way or the other, do everyone a favor and fuck off.
And I love you too <3
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 12, 2014, 01:37:45 pm
Stop derailing the thread.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 12, 2014, 01:47:23 pm
The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

I think you need to talk more about things you know nothing about.

Frankly I don't think you understand sports.
I've done the sports. Fistings from coach

The only reason people are so emotionally attached to sports is cause of mirror neurons

Frankly I don't understand having pride in sports teams. I can kinda understand admiring an overpaid monkey kicking or hitting a ball around but pride is just beyond me


Fuk sports

You're a special little snowflake aren't you? Why do you always feel the need to spout your unwanted bullshit on every thread? If you don't care about the subject one way or the other, do everyone a favor and fuck off.
And I love you too <3

After your shit reply. I'm further convinced his point was valid.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 12, 2014, 02:06:26 pm
Stop derailing the thread.

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: TheHunted0 on October 12, 2014, 03:23:16 pm
Anyone watch rugby , wigan v St Helens
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3532604EDA1132768289349922816_2f323596538.5.1.15128420098211878902.mp4?versionId=hWRbHKzRb9WNMYAUwIlBdK6Rt7RVtE8. (https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3532604EDA1132768289349922816_2f323596538.5.1.15128420098211878902.mp4?versionId=hWRbHKzRb9WNMYAUwIlBdK6Rt7RVtE8.)

Wigan suffered two major blows when hooker Michael McIlorum was ruled out of the First Utility Super League Grand Final with a fractured eye socket before kick-off, and Ben Flower soon joined him after he became the first player to be sent-off in Grand Final history.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: The Rebel on October 12, 2014, 03:28:40 pm
There is only one Zlatan

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F03%2F21%2Farticle-2586450-1C78499200000578-435_624x316.jpg&hash=e1e1f2cc5984898abb4c5c6916cea9735a34ad04)
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 12, 2014, 03:56:30 pm
Anyone watch rugby , wigan v St Helens
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3532604EDA1132768289349922816_2f323596538.5.1.15128420098211878902.mp4?versionId=hWRbHKzRb9WNMYAUwIlBdK6Rt7RVtE8. (https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3532604EDA1132768289349922816_2f323596538.5.1.15128420098211878902.mp4?versionId=hWRbHKzRb9WNMYAUwIlBdK6Rt7RVtE8.)

Wigan suffered two major blows when hooker Michael McIlorum was ruled out of the First Utility Super League Grand Final with a fractured eye socket before kick-off, and Ben Flower soon joined him after he became the first player to be sent-off in Grand Final history.

Did you read the OP?  :P
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: TheHunted0 on October 12, 2014, 04:10:12 pm
Anyone watch rugby , wigan v St Helens
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3532604EDA1132768289349922816_2f323596538.5.1.15128420098211878902.mp4?versionId=hWRbHKzRb9WNMYAUwIlBdK6Rt7RVtE8. (https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3532604EDA1132768289349922816_2f323596538.5.1.15128420098211878902.mp4?versionId=hWRbHKzRb9WNMYAUwIlBdK6Rt7RVtE8.)

Wigan suffered two major blows when hooker Michael McIlorum was ruled out of the First Utility Super League Grand Final with a fractured eye socket before kick-off, and Ben Flower soon joined him after he became the first player to be sent-off in Grand Final history.

Did you read the OP?  :P
dammit omg :) I suck
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 12, 2014, 06:47:33 pm
How about the ear-biter at the World Cup? How the fuck is that guy not labeled as insane?
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Duuring on October 12, 2014, 07:22:07 pm
He kinda is.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: The Rebel on October 12, 2014, 07:56:55 pm
Your Welcome Duuring...

(https://i.imgur.com/cPLpRlX.gif)
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 12, 2014, 09:40:58 pm
I have a hard time believing suarez would still be alive if he was biting people in rugby and this is my major complaint about the sport.

Mike Tyson needs to bite his ear off.
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcreambmp.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fmike-tyson-bit-holyfield-ear.png&hash=8caf105c9169574e34796bc5e6359c05f98e1e11)
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 13, 2014, 04:49:16 pm
Nobody ever tried to bite a finger off. Why always the ear?  ???
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 13, 2014, 05:01:03 pm
Nobody ever tried to bite a finger off. Why always the ear?  ???

Biting through boxing gloves appears to pose a challenge.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 13, 2014, 05:01:53 pm
Nobody ever tried to bite a finger off. Why always the ear?  ???

Biting through boxing gloves appears to pose a challenge.

I don't remember applying this only to boxing.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MrTiki on October 13, 2014, 06:09:38 pm
From a purely biological point of view, ears are the easiest bits to bite off. They're nice and exposed and only have a little cartilage in them, which, given that pigs ears are eaten in some cultures, I imagine isn't too hard to bite through. Fingers have bones which are much more difficult. Not that I'm speaking from experience :-[
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 13, 2014, 06:52:59 pm
Actually, fingers have been tested to have the same consistency as a carrot. Biting through them would not be extremely difficult.

No I'm not kidding.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 13, 2014, 09:18:14 pm
How about the ear-biter at the World Cup? How the fuck is that guy not labeled as insane?

He bit the shoulder of a pasta-chiellini. He has been banned from the sport for the past 4 months, due to make his debut for Barcelona on the 21st.

He is labeled as a bit of a mong, but in the end most people who play football competitively understand his frustration, he just took it to another degree. That and the fact that he's one of the most genius forwards in the past decades, equalling the premier league record of 31 goals in a season.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 14, 2014, 12:38:12 pm
How about the ear-biter at the World Cup? How the fuck is that guy not labeled as insane?

He bit the shoulder of a pasta-chiellini. He has been banned from the sport for the past 4 months, due to make his debut for Barcelona on the 21st.

He is labeled as a bit of a mong, but in the end most people who play football competitively understand his frustration, he just took it to another degree. That and the fact that he's one of the most genius forwards in the past decades, equalling the premier league record of 31 goals in a season.

To be fair i don't know enough football. Yet im curious. How is he genious and not just talented? For most of us hes a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: The Rebel on October 14, 2014, 02:02:05 pm
Well, when Suarez isn't biting anyone then he is a world-class striker. But he always seems to take his anger out by biting people (Ivanovic and Chiellini). Only one more week until El Clasico and oh will it be good!
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Turin Turambar on October 14, 2014, 02:53:17 pm
To be fair i don't know enough football.

In Germany we used to play it like that:

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.zeit.de%2Fsport%2F2013-06%2Ffussball-hitlergruss%2Ffussball-hitlergruss-540x304.jpg&hash=b2f0e1e506a662301ac93df124a1cfed874ba05b)
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 14, 2014, 03:46:57 pm
How about the ear-biter at the World Cup? How the fuck is that guy not labeled as insane?

He bit the shoulder of a pasta-chiellini. He has been banned from the sport for the past 4 months, due to make his debut for Barcelona on the 21st.

He is labeled as a bit of a mong, but in the end most people who play football competitively understand his frustration, he just took it to another degree. That and the fact that he's one of the most genius forwards in the past decades, equalling the premier league record of 31 goals in a season.

To be fair i don't know enough football. Yet im curious. How is he genious and no just talented? For most of us hes a fucking idiot.

Have you ever played sports competitively?

When i play with my team, sometimes i geniunely just get really frustrated if we're losing or not performing as we should and i justlose it. You should really want to  hurt the person thats preventing you from success, so you go in for tackles that you know are too late, pushing people you know you shouldn't shove in the box, spitting, insulting etc. Thats what i do, clearly Suarez has another way of dealing with his frustration, but in the end its the same and he is no different than other pros.

Just look at Rooney, he kicked Downing the other week, United were performing badly and West Ham were doing a counter, he just lost his head and kicked him. I don't see people calling for him to be banned for life or even for months. It's just a straight red and  thats end of.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 14, 2014, 04:52:53 pm
How about the ear-biter at the World Cup? How the fuck is that guy not labeled as insane?

He bit the shoulder of a pasta-chiellini. He has been banned from the sport for the past 4 months, due to make his debut for Barcelona on the 21st.

He is labeled as a bit of a mong, but in the end most people who play football competitively understand his frustration, he just took it to another degree. That and the fact that he's one of the most genius forwards in the past decades, equalling the premier league record of 31 goals in a season.

To be fair i don't know enough football. Yet im curious. How is he genious and no just talented? For most of us hes a fucking idiot.

Have you ever played sports competitively?

When i play with my team, sometimes i geniunely just get really frustrated if we're losing or not performing as we should and i justlose it. You should really want to  hurt the person thats preventing you from success, so you go in for tackles that you know are too late, pushing people you know you shouldn't shove in the box, spitting, insulting etc. Thats what i do, clearly Suarez has another way of dealing with his frustration, but in the end its the same and he is no different than other pros.

Just look at Rooney, he kicked Downing the other week, United were performing badly and West Ham were doing a counter, he just lost his head and kicked him. I don't see people calling for him to be banned for life or even for months. It's just a straight red and  thats end of.
Yes I've played 3 major sports and coached one. I still find these outbursts childish and undisciplined. Just go work harder out there and maybe have a clean tackle too.
Spitting is unacceptable.
You people lack the proper class to troll an opponent. Again you would spit at someone in rugby and you would probably die.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 14, 2014, 05:07:12 pm
Its not childish, its just passion and ambition, its fighting for what you want.

Just look at some of footballs greatest in recent times, Cantona, Roy Keane, Viera etc. They wanted to give absolutely everything and when you can't do that in a logical way you do it in other ways.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 14, 2014, 06:46:21 pm
Lol, it is childish, completely unsensible and bloody annoying at that.

If you can't compete in sports in an orderly fashion, don't.
Also, if the only you know how to troll an opponent, is by spitting and tackling hard, you should seriously start reviewing your own capabilities.
Obviously, there is either something wrong with you, your team or the level in which everyone but you is able to play, focus on that, instead of huring someone who enjoys a sport as well. And professional soccer players don't really help too, to be fair. You're a rolemodel, if you be agressive, be unsportly and spit on your opponent, youngsters will think it's justified.

Played competitive team sports for 9 years, never needed to be agressive, there are many other ways to 'mock' your opponent. Or to make them shut up with their 'funny' remarks about one's mother, and that is to be above that, and own the shit out of them with the sport you're practicing.
And that's not just team sports, counts for individual sports as well.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 14, 2014, 06:49:05 pm
Lol, it is childish, completely unsensible and bloody annoying at that.

If you can't compete in sports in an orderly fashion, don't.
Also, if the only you know how to troll an opponent, is by spitting and tackling hard, you should seriously start reviewing your own capabilities.
Obviously, there is either something wrong with you, your team or the level in which everyone but you is able to play, focus on that, instead of huring someone who enjoys a sport as well. And professional soccer players don't really help too, to be fair. You're a rolemodel, if you be agressive, be unsportly and spit on your opponent, youngsters will think it's justified.

Played competitive team sports for 9 years, never needed to be agressive, there are many other ways to 'mock' your opponent. Or to make them shut up with their 'funny' remarks about one's mother, and that is to be above that, and own the shit out of them with the sport you're practicing.
And that's not just team sports, counts for individual sports as well.

What were you playing? Netball?  ::)
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 14, 2014, 07:24:52 pm
Or tennis

the fact you said that there is no reason to be aggressive makes me think you play a non-contact 'sport'

In football your coaches teach you to be aggressive from the moment you start.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Fungus on October 14, 2014, 07:37:37 pm
kek

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/29612687 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/29612687)
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 14, 2014, 07:53:45 pm
lol welsh people

probably mistook the new zealander for a sheep
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Fungus on October 14, 2014, 07:54:42 pm
lol welsh people

probably mistook the new zealander for a sheep
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 14, 2014, 08:25:17 pm
Lol, it is childish, completely unsensible and bloody annoying at that.

If you can't compete in sports in an orderly fashion, don't.
Also, if the only you know how to troll an opponent, is by spitting and tackling hard, you should seriously start reviewing your own capabilities.
Obviously, there is either something wrong with you, your team or the level in which everyone but you is able to play, focus on that, instead of huring someone who enjoys a sport as well. And professional soccer players don't really help too, to be fair. You're a rolemodel, if you be agressive, be unsportly and spit on your opponent, youngsters will think it's justified.

Played competitive team sports for 9 years, never needed to be agressive, there are many other ways to 'mock' your opponent. Or to make them shut up with their 'funny' remarks about one's mother, and that is to be above that, and own the shit out of them with the sport you're practicing.
And that's not just team sports, counts for individual sports as well.

What were you playing? Netball?  ::)

Field hockey. And if you want to say that's nothing, remember I live in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 15, 2014, 03:10:01 am
Its not childish, its just passion and ambition, its fighting for what you want.

Just look at some of footballs greatest in recent times, Cantona, Roy Keane, Viera etc. They wanted to give absolutely everything and when you can't do that in a logical way you do it in other ways.

You're being a fucking tool. It's childish. Just because your stars do it doesn't make it acceptable.
Passion and Ambition means working hard. Passion and ambition means playing 60 minutes full speed till that whistle is blown. When you do that shit you disrespect the game. Don't disrespect the game like that. You bring no honor to your football gods. Again this shit only happens in football. In other sports it's so frowned upon you get labeled and targeted.

Ambition and Passion means practicing hard everyday. Outworking your opponent. Resorting to cheap crap is an admittance that you're inferior mentally and physically to your opponents. I ate chumps like you and sent them to penalty box my whole career. Frustrating them and denying them from scoring goals. They often didn't deserve to score goals. That's all they cared about.

I had enough passion for the game to not retaliate, smile and lay guys out without cheap shit. I coached my guys to play some clean hockey. There's no passion in being selfish and getting carded or being sent to the penalty box because little child here can't accept certain things.

Doing that shit is misplaced passion. Yeah selfish, self gratifying and Me me me type passion. Worthless team values. You football cunts celebrate like woman when you score goals. Gtfo.

There's always more respect for those players who don't celebrate touchdowns by doing stupid dances and prolonged celebrations. The pilots who thank their team support in Formula 1. The guys that don't go out there biting people.

You football girls lack humility and your game promotes some of the most horrible values a person can have. Praised for being a selfish cunt.

Barry Sanders never celebrated his Touchdowns.
Peter Forsberg always played with class and played hard on both sides of the ice.

http://youtu.be/YDIQEJayxO0?t=57s
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 15, 2014, 04:31:01 pm
I think the difference here is that we play sports and you're an American who coaches sports. Americans don't know passion because they don't play for anything other than money. The "World Series" in basketball is all American apart from I think one Japaneses team that always looses and they are beaten at hockey all the time. Difference being everyone else plays international sports, they want to win for their team and their country, not get some respect for themselves. And I'm not just talking about Football but Rugby, Cricket, Handball ect. When Americans are signed up for whatever team picks them in handegg there is no loyalty, no commitment. They just sign up and play.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 15, 2014, 05:21:28 pm
Its not childish, its just passion and ambition, its fighting for what you want.

Just look at some of footballs greatest in recent times, Cantona, Roy Keane, Viera etc. They wanted to give absolutely everything and when you can't do that in a logical way you do it in other ways.

You're being a fucking tool. It's childish. Just because your stars do it doesn't make it acceptable.
Passion and Ambition means working hard. Passion and ambition means playing 60 minutes full speed till that whistle is blown. When you do that shit you disrespect the game. Don't disrespect the game like that. You bring no honor to your football gods. Again this shit only happens in football. In other sports it's so frowned upon you get labeled and targeted.


Calm your beans maybe? Last i checked football is played 90-120 minutes as well... And no, 'this shit' doesn't just happen in football, it happens in all contact sports that are competitive. There are fights, bad tackles, general violence in Hockey, Rugby, Eggball all the time

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Ambition and Passion means practicing hard everyday. Outworking your opponent. Resorting to cheap crap is an admittance that you're inferior mentally and physically to your opponents. I ate chumps like you and sent them to penalty box my whole career. Frustrating them and denying them from scoring goals. They often didn't deserve to score goals. That's all they cared about.


You really can't compare hockey to football... It's completly different traditions, attitudes and ways of playing. Kind of just showing how you don't understand what i'm talking about.

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Doing that shit is misplaced passion. Yeah selfish, self gratifying and Me me me type passion. Worthless team values. You football cunts celebrate like woman when you score goals. Gtfo. There's always more respect for those players who don't celebrate touchdowns by doing stupid dances and prolonged celebrations. The pilots who thank their team support in Formula 1. The guys that don't go out there biting people. You football girls lack humility and your game promotes some of the most horrible values a person can have. Praised for being a selfish cunt.

The fact you are losing your head and just insulting people over the internet proves you're sometype of overage keyboard warrior hypocrite really.  So you have something against calling someone names in a sport but do it over nothing on the web? ok...

Also, celebrations in football is a tradition, if anything we are more annoyed when players don't celebrate because that can show a lack of respect. You celebrate because you have added a piece of history into your club, made a defining moment in a game etc. Its the release of pressure and stress before you get right back into it, if you have a problem with that you're really, really, really dumb.

When you say us football people promote the most horrible values, i can't resist having a giggle when you're sitting there calling me a cunt, a woman, to gtfo, a fucking tool, selfish cunt, chump. Looks like you were taught some great values m8
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MrTiki on October 15, 2014, 05:33:29 pm
The key difference I notice is that violence only ever seems to happen in team sports. Any sport in which it's one individual representing themselves or representing their nation but working separately to other individuals representing their team there seems to be pretty much no violence. And it seems to span all forms of sport with all levels of contact, from martial arts, boxing etc to tennis, golf, cycling, F1 etc. It's my belief that the violence is only present because of the team mentality; the "us" versus "them". When it's everyone for themselves, there's much more empathy towards fellow competitors, as it's easier to relate to them.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 15, 2014, 11:23:39 pm
That's because generally in individual, there is only one opponent, and fighting yourself is very hard.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 15, 2014, 11:50:11 pm
Its not childish, its just passion and ambition, its fighting for what you want.

Just look at some of footballs greatest in recent times, Cantona, Roy Keane, Viera etc. They wanted to give absolutely everything and when you can't do that in a logical way you do it in other ways.

You're being a fucking tool. It's childish. Just because your stars do it doesn't make it acceptable.
Passion and Ambition means working hard. Passion and ambition means playing 60 minutes full speed till that whistle is blown. When you do that shit you disrespect the game. Don't disrespect the game like that. You bring no honor to your football gods. Again this shit only happens in football. In other sports it's so frowned upon you get labeled and targeted.


Calm your beans maybe? Last i checked football is played 90-120 minutes as well... And no, 'this shit' doesn't just happen in football, it happens in all contact sports that are competitive. There are fights, bad tackles, general violence in Hockey, Rugby, Eggball all the time

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Ambition and Passion means practicing hard everyday. Outworking your opponent. Resorting to cheap crap is an admittance that you're inferior mentally and physically to your opponents. I ate chumps like you and sent them to penalty box my whole career. Frustrating them and denying them from scoring goals. They often didn't deserve to score goals. That's all they cared about.


You really can't compare hockey to football... It's completly different traditions, attitudes and ways of playing. Kind of just showing how you don't understand what i'm talking about.

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Doing that shit is misplaced passion. Yeah selfish, self gratifying and Me me me type passion. Worthless team values. You football cunts celebrate like woman when you score goals. Gtfo. There's always more respect for those players who don't celebrate touchdowns by doing stupid dances and prolonged celebrations. The pilots who thank their team support in Formula 1. The guys that don't go out there biting people. You football girls lack humility and your game promotes some of the most horrible values a person can have. Praised for being a selfish cunt.

The fact you are losing your head and just insulting people over the internet proves you're sometype of overage keyboard warrior hypocrite really.  So you have something against calling someone names in a sport but do it over nothing on the web? ok...

Also, celebrations in football is a tradition, if anything we are more annoyed when players don't celebrate because that can show a lack of respect. You celebrate because you have added a piece of history into your club, made a defining moment in a game etc. Its the release of pressure and stress before you get right back into it, if you have a problem with that you're really, really, really dumb.

When you say us football people promote the most horrible values, i can't resist having a giggle when you're sitting there calling me a cunt, a woman, to gtfo, a fucking tool, selfish cunt, chump. Looks like you were taught some great values m8

I'm not a sport. I don't promote values as a sport. "when you compare me to a sport it really shows you know nothing of what you're talking about"

Violence in hockey is mostly controlled or staged. Violence in American football is extremely rare apart from within the rules. Fights in soccer also rarely happen. Fighting has nothing to do with spitting and biting. That's just unacceptable on any level.

Why use your moral high ground to only call me an idiot for not being fond of over the top celebrations. Kissing jerseys. Holding your finger up. Sliding on your knees. Lol. Tradition doesn't justify bad behavior.

You can compare certain aspects of team sports. You can compare the discipline. The motivation. The team aspects. The response to adversity.

It only happens in football that people think its ok to go out and bite people or spit at them. Every other sport doesn't tolerate it. In hockey you will get checked or someone will fight you. Some of you might think this is a barbaric act but when they tried to remove these elements the sport started being more like football. People started diving and using cheap-shots knowing there would be no retaliation.

The fact that these behaviors unlike other sports are not extremely frowned upon and even defended. Is the issue that I'm taking here. We can go back and forth here but it's quite simple. Spitting is never acceptable. never.

I can have a shity behavior and be like "these are one of my issues" football is like "oh it's passions, its ok. Go eat your opponents shoulder and spit at him because passion"

I only lose it to people who do cheap shots. Hence you supporting spitting and cheap shots has struck my nerve. My last years as a hockey player involved defending my teammates from such people but I always made pay within the rules.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 15, 2014, 11:57:32 pm
I think the difference here is that we play sports and you're an American who coaches sports. Americans don't know passion because they don't play for anything other than money. The "World Series" in basketball is all American apart from I think one Japaneses team that always looses and they are beaten at hockey all the time. Difference being everyone else plays international sports, they want to win for their team and their country, not get some respect for themselves. And I'm not just talking about Football but Rugby, Cricket, Handball ect. When Americans are signed up for whatever team picks them in handegg there is no loyalty, no commitment. They just sign up and play.

I've played sports and coached them...
You know absolutely nothing about North American sports...
Japan doesn't have a baseball team but many teams have Asians, South Americans and blacks...



Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 16, 2014, 12:10:53 am
"North American Sports"?

Last time I checked it was just a US issue that your sports aren't competitive and/or popular internationally. Canada plays both forms of Rugby as well as Hockey.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on October 16, 2014, 12:34:52 am
I'm just gonna leave this here

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Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 16, 2014, 12:40:26 am
I get confused with the terms soccer and football and hockey.

I guess this is what happens when I don't know if someone is American or not. And that I'm Dutch, since hockey here means field hockey.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 16, 2014, 03:16:15 am
"North American Sports"?

Last time I checked it was just a US issue that your sports aren't competitive and/or popular internationally. Canada plays both forms of Rugby as well as Hockey.

I'm not from the U.S  Canada plays all the U.S sports and more.

America is obviously half the world. Hence they don't need international sports.

In all sports people play for money and others do not.

People in rugby don't spit at each other or bite themselves.

http://soccerlens.com/football-learn-rugby/148546/

Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 16, 2014, 04:02:06 am
i always liked playing sports with the cool kids

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Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: USE4life on October 16, 2014, 12:05:09 pm
"North American Sports"?

Last time I checked it was just a US issue that your sports aren't competitive and/or popular internationally. Canada plays both forms of Rugby as well as Hockey.
People in rugby don't spit at each other or bite themselves.

Please don't pretend to know things about other sports. Look at the OP.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MrTiki on October 16, 2014, 04:29:49 pm
To be fair, you can't claim that it's the norm for such fights to happen. Everyone who's watching thinks that he's a complete knob for doing that, so I don't get what the argument is about here. Violence has a place in sports in the form of contact, whether it be a martial art/boxing etc or rugby style contact. However, when it goes beyond the rules it's just gratuitous and should be punished; that's the point of the rules anyway.
Shame no one paid any attention to my previous post, but I guess being a keyboard warrior is pretty tough work.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 16, 2014, 10:32:40 pm
To be fair, you can't claim that it's the norm for such fights to happen. Everyone who's watching thinks that he's a complete knob for doing that, so I don't get what the argument is about here. Violence has a place in sports in the form of contact, whether it be a martial art/boxing etc or rugby style contact. However, when it goes beyond the rules it's just gratuitous and should be punished; that's the point of the rules anyway.
Shame no one paid any attention to my previous post, but I guess being a keyboard warrior is pretty tough work.

When you said ears would be the easiest to bite off?
Very though work indeed.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 17, 2014, 02:16:09 am
"North American Sports"?

Last time I checked it was just a US issue that your sports aren't competitive and/or popular internationally. Canada plays both forms of Rugby as well as Hockey.
People in rugby don't spit at each other or bite themselves.

Please don't pretend to know things about other sports. Look at the OP.

So people bite themselves and spit at each other more then in soccer during rugby?
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 17, 2014, 08:05:12 am
One person has bit someone else in top tier football and thats Suarez yet you think everyone does.

u mast b rly smert dood
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 17, 2014, 11:02:30 am
One person has bit someone else in top tier football and thats Suarez yet you think everyone does.

u mast b rly smert dood

You defend spitting. Never mind biting. Hes bit more then one person. Why wasn't he punched in the face ever??? I don't understand. It must be le Hockey sense.
If you could post me a video of suarez getting tackled dirty or spit at or punched. Then I retract my comments.

Still spitting is derp. Lol
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 17, 2014, 11:43:56 am
You don't spit on people obviously, only Diego Costa does that, you do it at their feet.

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Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 17, 2014, 02:01:23 pm
You don't spit on people obviously, only Diego Costa does that, you do it at their feet.

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Which does not make it any bit more warrented. But I am starting to think you don't know how to be nice to people.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 17, 2014, 02:07:05 pm
Think what you want mate, what you think of me on the web is not relevant to me otherwise.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 17, 2014, 02:17:41 pm
Think what you want mate, what you think of me on the web is not relevant to me otherwise.

By condoning disgusting behaviour?

Okay.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MrTiki on October 17, 2014, 03:13:23 pm
Riddlez, I meant this post:
The key difference I notice is that violence only ever seems to happen in team sports. Any sport in which it's one individual representing themselves or representing their nation but working separately to other individuals representing their team there seems to be pretty much no violence. And it seems to span all forms of sport with all levels of contact, from martial arts, boxing etc to tennis, golf, cycling, F1 etc. It's my belief that the violence is only present because of the team mentality; the "us" versus "them". When it's everyone for themselves, there's much more empathy towards fellow competitors, as it's easier to relate to them.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Zzehth on October 17, 2014, 05:07:40 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC0gd4r6QQQ
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 17, 2014, 05:54:26 pm
Riddlez, I meant this post:
The key difference I notice is that violence only ever seems to happen in team sports. Any sport in which it's one individual representing themselves or representing their nation but working separately to other individuals representing their team there seems to be pretty much no violence. And it seems to span all forms of sport with all levels of contact, from martial arts, boxing etc to tennis, golf, cycling, F1 etc. It's my belief that the violence is only present because of the team mentality; the "us" versus "them". When it's everyone for themselves, there's much more empathy towards fellow competitors, as it's easier to relate to them.

I was joking, Tiki.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 17, 2014, 07:43:03 pm
Think what you want mate, what you think of me on the web is not relevant to me otherwise.

By condoning disgusting behaviour?

Okay.

Spitting at someones feet is disgusting behavior?

See i am of the opinion that such words are spared for rapists and killers, not for athletes who are frustrated. But then again it is all in good fun seeing you telling me that i don't know how to be nice.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: Riddlez on October 17, 2014, 08:34:34 pm
Think what you want mate, what you think of me on the web is not relevant to me otherwise.

By condoning disgusting behaviour?

Okay.

Spitting at someones feet is disgusting behavior?

See i am of the opinion that such words are spared for rapists and killers, not for athletes who are frustrated. But then again it is all in good fun seeing you telling me that i don't know how to be nice.

Here to serve.
Title: Re: Violence in Sport
Post by: MarshalKim on October 18, 2014, 12:01:07 am
You mean spit on his shoes are in front of the person on the soil???

I request more Suarez and Costa videos of them tackled dirty please.