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Title: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 25, 2014, 08:55:52 pm
Discuss anything you want about ISIS, where they can invade next, who's apart of ISIS, why people like calling them different things. Anything you want.

And no EdwardC is not ISIS.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.s-nbcnews.com%2Fi%2Fnewscms%2F2014_27%2F547186%2F140704-isis-music-cover-10a_31d581ed0a8c52e5a780b47e622d1d77.jpg&hash=f66f84c9b651ccc592d4da53efd61cab1aba9ca0)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 25, 2014, 08:58:04 pm
#IStandWithISIS

Gib clay infidels
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on September 25, 2014, 08:58:12 pm
That guy looks pretty turned up
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 25, 2014, 08:58:51 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TLu514EgU
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Josef Lenin on September 25, 2014, 09:06:01 pm
Daily Reminder

Allah o Akbar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzJA9HOGM4
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 25, 2014, 09:06:50 pm
Please let us firebomb these savages back into the stone age...
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: AeroNinja on September 25, 2014, 09:07:37 pm
Belgium sends some airforce too.. lol
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 25, 2014, 09:08:20 pm
Please let us firebomb these savages back into the stone age...

They're pretty much already there.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 25, 2014, 09:09:45 pm
Stone age didn't have cars. Or guns. Or region-wide orgnaizational control.

ISIS requires additional firebombing.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Humlenerd on September 25, 2014, 09:10:12 pm
Please let us firebomb these savages back into the stone age...
I think we're too late.

Stone age didn't have cars. Or guns. Or region-wide orgnaizational control.

ISIS requires additional firebombing.
Good point ;)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 25, 2014, 09:13:31 pm
Stone age didn't have cars. Or guns. Or region-wide orgnaizational control.

ISIS requires additional firebombing.

They're there in terms of cultural and societal advancement. Besides, technology is only as good as the people who utilize it.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Madbull on September 25, 2014, 09:15:07 pm
DE BLASIO IS A GROUNDHOG KILLER BURN HIM

ALLAHU AKBAR
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 25, 2014, 09:16:04 pm
Stone age didn't have cars. Or guns. Or region-wide orgnaizational control.

ISIS requires additional firebombing.

They're there in terms of cultural and societal advancement. Besides, technology is only as good as the people who utilize it.

In terms of Cultural and societal advancement they're in the dark ages, not the stone age.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 25, 2014, 09:17:59 pm
I wonder if ISIS could invade neighboring countries like Turkey or Armenia, and if they did they could get many more Recruits and Armor.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 25, 2014, 09:20:37 pm
Armenia doesn't neighbor Iraq, Syria or ANY of the Levant.

If they invaded Turkey they'd simply cease to exist. Turkish Army ain't nothin' to fuck with.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 25, 2014, 09:21:01 pm
Edward may not be ISIS but Clearly is
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 25, 2014, 09:24:29 pm
*Proceeds to ram head through wall*

This is the 3rd time over the past two days I've been called that.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 25, 2014, 09:29:12 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB-8UU8jYUo
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 25, 2014, 10:13:34 pm
This thread dead now?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: The Rebel on September 25, 2014, 10:49:31 pm
Please let us firebomb these savages back into the stone age...
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on September 25, 2014, 11:06:09 pm
Even the Dutch sent jets there, with training personnel and their own security, which is nice for a change, always used to get the Gerans to do that for us...

Dutch ISIS-members called to perform 'force ful acts' against the Dutch Government.

Anyways, ISIS cannot be defeated with bombs alone, you need ground forces for that.
As the Dutch Minister of Defence and Security stated:

"ISIS is now getting a lot of recruits because they have the military upper-hand at the moment. As soon as you succeed to make sure they don't, they will lose the blk of their appeal, and they will grow much less quickly."
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on September 25, 2014, 11:07:32 pm
If you want ground forces, you have some. They are called Syrian Arab Army and YPG. But our governments will prefer arming the same "rebels" that they have been arming for years now, the famous "moderate" jihadists.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on September 25, 2014, 11:10:52 pm
If you want ground forces, you have some. They are called Syrian Arab Army and YPG. But our governments will prefer arming the same "rebels" that they have been arming for years now, the famous "moderate" jihadists.

Saudi-Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Israel, Iran Perhaps. Ever heard of those countries?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on September 25, 2014, 11:12:06 pm
Fiji will shrek all
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on September 25, 2014, 11:45:58 pm
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Saudi-Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Israel, Iran Perhaps. Ever heard of those countries?
And why not Switzerland? Those countries should rather stay inside their own borders, especially the criminals of Saudi Arabia who funded a lot of jihadi organizations in Syria, and also Turkey which let so many terrorists going through its borders. And Israel? Well, it would be soooo funny to see those guys fighting ISIS alongside Arab countries! Man, are you serious? Plus you forgot Qatar in your list.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 26, 2014, 12:08:20 am
I wonder.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 26, 2014, 05:43:14 am
(https://i.imgur.com/loibbwW.png)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on September 26, 2014, 07:50:16 am
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Saudi-Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Israel, Iran Perhaps. Ever heard of those countries?
And why not Switzerland? Those countries should rather stay inside their own borders, especially the criminals of Saudi Arabia who funded a lot of jihadi organizations in Syria, and also Turkey which let so many terrorists going through its borders. And Israel? Well, it would be soooo funny to see those guys fighting ISIS alongside Arab countries! Man, are you serious? Plus you forgot Qatar in your list.

Why would they fight ISIS? Because ISIS is a threat to them as much to western powers. Plus, it's their region, so they should really do the had work now, I agree with Obama on that part.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Rejenorst on September 26, 2014, 09:20:15 am
I think he may be referring to whether or not Saudi Arabia and Co view a Shiite/Iran friendly government in Iraq along with a Syrian ally to Iran and Iran itself as more of a threat than ISIS which has benefited either directly or indirectly from Saudi covert support  to Syrian rebels.

In the past Iran and Saudi Arabia have had escalating tensions with Saudi Arabia viewing the Iran/Syria/Hezbollah triangle as a threat. What may have changed is that the idea of an Islamic state with a caliph who claims he is the head of all Muslims may have far more dangerous consequences for Saudi Arabia's internal stability should ISIS find followers within Saudi Arabia and be willing to supplant Saudi rule.

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Qatar’s military and economic largesse has made its way to Jabhat al-Nusra, to the point that a senior Qatari official told me he can identify al-Nusra commanders by the blocks they control in various Syrian cities. But ISIS is another matter. As one senior Qatari official stated, “ISIS has been a Saudi project.”

ISIS, in fact, may have been a major part of Bandar’s covert-ops strategy in Syria. The Saudi government, for its part, has denied allegations, including claims made by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, that it has directly supported ISIS. But there are also signs that the kingdom recently shifted its assistance—whether direct or indirect—away from extremist factions in Syria and toward more moderate opposition groups.
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//-- In regards to the Syrian and Iranian regimes --//
Personally I think we also need to get over this anti-Iran/anti Syrian hangup and work with those governments to stabilize them since its becoming increasingly clear that power vacuums and military interventions for the sake of regime change in the middle east attract all sorts of negative consequences that are less preferable to anything that came before them. We've spent the last 50 years trying to change regimes in the region that have come about as a direct result of our initial interventions and ISIS doesn't seem to be an exception.

Having been to Syria myself back in 2006 I can safely say that the society had more freedoms than Saudi Arabia ever had. Additionally Saudi Arabia has some of the most draconian laws in the region including public beheading while any demands for reform are equated to terrorism which can easily result in said beheading.

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) - Saudi Arabia put into effect a sweeping new counterterrorism law Sunday that human rights activists say allows the kingdom to prosecute as a terrorist anyone who demands reform, exposes corruption or otherwise engages in dissent.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/2/new-saudi-anti-terrorism-law-worries-activists/?page=all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/beheadings-at-record-levels-saudi-arabia-executes-dozens-in-deadly-august/story-fnh81ifq-1227037172765

While the Assad regime has inevitably committed war crimes (as have most regimes in wartime including our own) and is authoritarian, we have a long rooted history of highlighting the crimes of regimes we dislike while omitting to mention or overlooking similar or worse crimes that are being committed by our allies.

If anything I find that political discourse seems to aim at capitalizing or manipulating domestic opinion selectively against regimes that in contrast to some of our allies; aren't even the worst case examples for the region.

As it stands the majority of Syrians probably prefer Assad over the unknown for the moment.
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/syrias-dirty-secret-is-that-assad-could-win-in-a-fair-election

I am just wondering if some of our allies are more trouble than its worth, but then if realpolitik is concerned I doubt regime change and our lack of desire to work with some of these regimes has anything to due with their domestic human rights record or the idiotic touted reasons of the day which are usually tailored for domestic consumption.

A not so recent but somewhat loosely related article I read a while back made an interesting claim:

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As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord. “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” he allegedly said.

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on an off. “These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria’s political future.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-Syria.html
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on September 26, 2014, 09:52:27 am
I have also been to Syria myself a few times, in 2009-2010, and it was a beautiful and peaceful country. I remember that I was surprised to see in the heart of Damascus a procession of Syrian scouts, with their uniforms and flags. And so much culture and history there! And when I started to see those "Syrian" guys on TV, with their long islamic beards, called "opposition" by the Western media, I immediately knew that something was wrong, for a very simple reason: most Syrians were still wearing an old-fashioned mustache. And 3 years after the beginning of their civil war, even after they received the help of so many foreign jihadists, even after receiving so much money and weapons from Arab petro-monarchies, from the USA, from France, in total violation of the international law and the Charter of the United Nations, they are still unable to overthrow the Syrian government. Why? Because this government, no matter how authoritarian, protected important public liberties, and especially freedom of religion, and compared to the jihadists, freedom of thought. And for this very reason, they have the support of the overwhelming majority of Syrians.

Those who armed, funded, supported the Syrian jihadists: Saudia Arabia, Qatar, USA, France, UK, Turkey, all of those countries are responsible for the great victories of the Islamic State and their friends from Jabbat AL-NUSRA. Now they are affraid by the rebellion of their own creature, and it's fine if they want to kill it. But increasing support to the other jihadist groups, called the "moderate opposition", and bombing the territory of Syria without the consent of its government, is illegal and criminal.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Gizmo on September 26, 2014, 10:10:21 am
To be honest, I'm against the Western&Friends intervention in Irak and Syria. It's not that I think IS is in its right to spread terror and murder, but I think that the intervention will create more problems than it will solve. Some French chap was kidnapped and executed in Algeria for this, and many terrorist threats came through as well. It may sound a bit selfish, but sometimes it's better not to get involved and to let the problem resolve itself and I'm fairly sure that we (westerners) will have probems because of that.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 26, 2014, 04:35:56 pm
Arguably the most effective ground force fighting IS right now are the Kurds. The west should allow International Brigades made up off people who want to fight ISIS to leave for Kurdistan and fight together with the PKK, YPG and even Peshmerga.

http://www.kurdishinfo.com/turkish-youth-joins-ypg-kobane
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 26, 2014, 06:30:11 pm
Woke up to ISIS moving closer to Turkey. As, it was shown on CNN, with Syrian-Kurdish fighters trying to repeal ISIS from moving into Kurdish territory in Turkey. The guy who was filming was next to a bunch of Kurdish run aways who had to leave their homes, all of them were watching the battle from a hilltop in Turkey.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 26, 2014, 07:42:09 pm
Woke up to ISIS moving closer to Turkey. As, it was shown on CNN, with Syrian-Kurdish fighters trying to repeal ISIS from moving into Kurdish territory in Turkey. The guy who was filming was next to a bunch of Kurdish run aways who had to leave their homes, all of them were watching the battle from a hilltop in Turkey.
Oh shit, that's why Europe needs a strongk Greece, to prevent all the filthy ME arabs from invading the glorious EU.

<Insert joke on how Greece sucks and can't defend it's borders etc>
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Bramif on September 26, 2014, 07:48:01 pm
Woke up to ISIS moving closer to Turkey. As, it was shown on CNN, with Syrian-Kurdish fighters trying to repeal ISIS from moving into Kurdish territory in Turkey. The guy who was filming was next to a bunch of Kurdish run aways who had to leave their homes, all of them were watching the battle from a hilltop in Turkey.
Oh shit, that's why Europe needs a strongk Greece, to prevent all the filthy ME arabs from invading the glorious EU.

<Insert joke on how Greece sucks and can't defend it's borders etc>
Don't worry! The serbians will remove all kebab that tries to go past Greece.   ;)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 26, 2014, 07:55:58 pm
Woke up to ISIS moving closer to Turkey. As, it was shown on CNN, with Syrian-Kurdish fighters trying to repeal ISIS from moving into Kurdish territory in Turkey. The guy who was filming was next to a bunch of Kurdish run aways who had to leave their homes, all of them were watching the battle from a hilltop in Turkey.
Oh shit, that's why Europe needs a strongk Greece, to prevent all the filthy ME arabs from invading the glorious EU.

<Insert joke on how Greece sucks and can't defend it's borders etc>
Don't worry! The serbians will remove all kebab that tries to go past Greece.   ;)
lololololol apparently kebab is toorkish :0
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Archduke Sven on September 26, 2014, 08:08:11 pm
isis dont want none unless you jihad son
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on September 26, 2014, 08:58:19 pm
Woke up to ISIS moving closer to Turkey. As, it was shown on CNN, with Syrian-Kurdish fighters trying to repeal ISIS from moving into Kurdish territory in Turkey. The guy who was filming was next to a bunch of Kurdish run aways who had to leave their homes, all of them were watching the battle from a hilltop in Turkey.
Oh shit, that's why Europe needs a strongk Greece, to prevent all the filthy ME arabs from invading the glorious EU.

<Insert joke on how Greece sucks and can't defend it's borders etc>

Actually, Greece is very well capable of guarding their own borders, and they indeed do have a strong army. Which is getting modernised even further as we speak.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on September 26, 2014, 09:36:05 pm
Its a shame you have all those radicals immigrating, glad I don't live with or encounter that problem here  :-\   anyways more than 50 countries have signed up to fight IS.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 26, 2014, 09:40:54 pm
Yay, more people to pile-drive them.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 26, 2014, 10:06:00 pm
(CNN) -- Not weeks. Not months. Years.

That's how long nations entering the fight against ISIS may need to be prepared to spend on the battle, British and U.S. officials say.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 26, 2014, 10:19:00 pm
snip - If you can't show even a modicum of restraint with regard to commenting on racial matters don't bother posting again or we will ensure you can't.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on September 26, 2014, 10:42:35 pm
hahahaha if only that was true... :'(

Well, it is, mostly. They have spent nearly a quarter of all the financial aid they received from Europe to modernising their military, which already was fairly well equipped, to the latest armour and marine technology, they are nearly entirely re-equipping their soldiers and spent some money on air defence. Their military size, if I recall it right, is the fourth largest in the EU, after Germany, France and Great Britain and is in better state of repair than the German one.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 26, 2014, 11:14:35 pm
hahahaha if only that was true... :'(

Well, it is, mostly. They have spent nearly a quarter of all the financial aid they received from Europe to modernising their military, which already was fairly well equipped, to the latest armour and marine technology, they are nearly entirely re-equipping their soldiers and spent some money on air defence. Their military size, if I recall it right, is the fourth largest in the EU, after Germany, France and Great Britain and is in better state of repair than the German one.

"Greece is the largest importer of conventional weapons in Europe and its military spending is the highest in the European Union (relative to G.D.P)". cuz we gawt no GDP :O

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=greece
compare our spending with our foreign debt haha :D
9.3 vs 576.6 billion euros :D
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on September 26, 2014, 11:28:45 pm
hahahaha if only that was true... :'(

Well, it is, mostly. They have spent nearly a quarter of all the financial aid they received from Europe to modernising their military, which already was fairly well equipped, to the latest armour and marine technology, they are nearly entirely re-equipping their soldiers and spent some money on air defence. Their military size, if I recall it right, is the fourth largest in the EU, after Germany, France and Great Britain and is in better state of repair than the German one.




EDIT: I hereby declare Global Firepower an invalid source, they claim the Netherlands have 47.660 active military personnel, while they actaully have 15.000 less...
"Greece is the largest importer of conventional weapons in Europe and its military spending is the highest in the European Union (relative to G.D.P)". cuz we gawt no GDP :O

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=greece
compare our spending with our foreign debt haha :D
9.3 vs 576.6 billion euros :D

GPD is not the profits, it's what they receive. Which is still a lot, but they manage to spend a metric shitton as well.
And I wasn't talking in relative, I was talking actual military quantities and qualities.


Global firepower is an untrustworthy source, they claim the Dutch Military has 47.660 active personnel, while it is actually 15.000 less, around 32.500. They also claim our Defence budget is 7,756,630,273 euros, while it actually is 7.3 billion.

Don't use that site.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 26, 2014, 11:43:13 pm
hahahaha if only that was true... :'(

Well, it is, mostly. They have spent nearly a quarter of all the financial aid they received from Europe to modernising their military, which already was fairly well equipped, to the latest armour and marine technology, they are nearly entirely re-equipping their soldiers and spent some money on air defence. Their military size, if I recall it right, is the fourth largest in the EU, after Germany, France and Great Britain and is in better state of repair than the German one.

"Greece is the largest importer of conventional weapons in Europe and its military spending is the highest in the European Union (relative to G.D.P)". cuz we gawt no GDP :O

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=greece
compare our spending with our foreign debt haha :D
9.3 vs 576.6 billion euros :D

GPD is not the profits, it's what they receive. Which is still a lot, but they manage to spend a metric shitton as well.
And I wasn't talking in relative, I was talking actual military quantities and qualities.
Ik what GDP is :) but I meant it in a more satirical way  - - seeing how the Govt, due to various reasons, has repeatedly failed to exploit sources of income (and publicity for Greece as a whole)  that could be used to boost revenue (including a gold mine in Northern Greece, the oil in the Ionian a few years ago, whether shops should stay open all day on weekends during the tourist period, etc.) It's sadly something that's being mocked in Greece daily - how we fail to use the country's natural wealth to our advantage, despite everything... forgot i wasnt speaking to a greek :(

57/106 on that site isn't that bad, I guess, but it does sit a bit lower than Turkey (8th) :D Still, to resume discussion of the topic, I guess that ze Turks will need their "expansive" forces when ISIS comes a' knockin'
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on September 26, 2014, 11:44:28 pm
hahahaha if only that was true... :'(

Well, it is, mostly. They have spent nearly a quarter of all the financial aid they received from Europe to modernising their military, which already was fairly well equipped, to the latest armour and marine technology, they are nearly entirely re-equipping their soldiers and spent some money on air defence. Their military size, if I recall it right, is the fourth largest in the EU, after Germany, France and Great Britain and is in better state of repair than the German one.

"Greece is the largest importer of conventional weapons in Europe and its military spending is the highest in the European Union (relative to G.D.P)". cuz we gawt no GDP :O

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=greece
compare our spending with our foreign debt haha :D
9.3 vs 576.6 billion euros :D

GPD is not the profits, it's what they receive. Which is still a lot, but they manage to spend a metric shitton as well.
And I wasn't talking in relative, I was talking actual military quantities and qualities.
Ik what GDP is :) but I meant it in a more satirical way  - - seeing how the Govt, due to various reasons, has repeatedly failed to exploit sources of income (and publicity for Greece as a whole)  that could be used to boost revenue (including a gold mine in Northern Greece, the oil in the Ionian a few years ago, whether shops should stay open all day on weekends during the tourist period, etc.) It's sadly something that's being mocked in Greece daily - how we fail to use the country's natural wealth to our advantage, despite everything... forgot i wasnt speaking to a greek :(

57/106 on that site isn't that bad, I guess, but it does sit a bit lower than Turkey (8th) :D Still, to resume discussion of the topic, I guess that ze Turks will need their "expansive" forces when ISIS comes a' knockin'

It also states that The Netherlands is 32/106. While I am pretty damn certain Greece, Denmark and Norway will hand us our assess in a fight.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 26, 2014, 11:49:29 pm
hahahaha if only that was true... :'(

Well, it is, mostly. They have spent nearly a quarter of all the financial aid they received from Europe to modernising their military, which already was fairly well equipped, to the latest armour and marine technology, they are nearly entirely re-equipping their soldiers and spent some money on air defence. Their military size, if I recall it right, is the fourth largest in the EU, after Germany, France and Great Britain and is in better state of repair than the German one.

"Greece is the largest importer of conventional weapons in Europe and its military spending is the highest in the European Union (relative to G.D.P)". cuz we gawt no GDP :O

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=greece
compare our spending with our foreign debt haha :D
9.3 vs 576.6 billion euros :D

GPD is not the profits, it's what they receive. Which is still a lot, but they manage to spend a metric shitton as well.
And I wasn't talking in relative, I was talking actual military quantities and qualities.
Ik what GDP is :) but I meant it in a more satirical way  - - seeing how the Govt, due to various reasons, has repeatedly failed to exploit sources of income (and publicity for Greece as a whole)  that could be used to boost revenue (including a gold mine in Northern Greece, the oil in the Ionian a few years ago, whether shops should stay open all day on weekends during the tourist period, etc.) It's sadly something that's being mocked in Greece daily - how we fail to use the country's natural wealth to our advantage, despite everything... forgot i wasnt speaking to a greek :(

57/106 on that site isn't that bad, I guess, but it does sit a bit lower than Turkey (8th) :D Still, to resume discussion of the topic, I guess that ze Turks will need their "expansive" forces when ISIS comes a' knockin'

It also states that The Netherlands is 32/106. While I am pretty damn certain Greece, Denmark and Norway will hand us our assess in a fight.

What a lovely pyramid! ^^ Meh, too much weed I guess :) However, on a serious note, the Netherlands are pretty well protected as a nation, and, unless, Merkel decides to revive some of that gud Nazi spirit in Germany's foreign policy, it's safe to say that you guys are probably gonna be fine for the immediate future

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That is, until Pootin conquers all of Europe and we become Russia's slaves.
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 27, 2014, 12:26:07 am
Riddlez you're sort of talking out of your ass again.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 27, 2014, 01:03:14 am
Riddlez you're sort of talking out of your ass again.
As a resident of the ass in the question, allow me to confirm
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on September 27, 2014, 10:34:56 am
If we needed one thing to prove the inefficiency and stupidity of targeting ISIS in Syria:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/26/us-syria-crisis-nusra-insight-idUSKCN0HL11720140926?irpc=932
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Furrnox on September 27, 2014, 11:07:10 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TLu514EgU&list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 27, 2014, 12:19:47 pm
While we talk shit about ISIS, Thousands of young people, socialists, trade unionists, revolutionary, feminist, libertarian pour in from all over Turkey to Kobanê.
They go there to support and defend the city, the Turkish army tries to disperse them, as they are accused of being much more permissive with the jihadists who are trying too, to cross the border to join Daech.

Despite the blockades of the Turkish army, hundreds of activists and militants have managed to cross the border. Hundreds of Turkish Kurds are arriving too, sneaking or bribing their way across the border to fight alongside the YPG. - among them, comrades of the Revolutionary Anarchist Action Group, who made the trip to Istanbul to join the defense of Kobanê, and sent these photos.

This is Direct Action, instead of talking out of their ass about how much their country is doing... they have gone there themselves to fight for civilization.
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It time for international brigades again.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on September 27, 2014, 01:23:00 pm
We should go there too.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on September 27, 2014, 01:46:41 pm
Riddlez you're sort of talking out of your ass again.

I'm not, actually, please point out where I, according to you, am wrong, and I'd be happy to clear up.

EDIT: The Dutch Defence budget is public domain, so are the troop sizes. And to find out what country will hand what ass to whom, is not that hard to find out.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 28, 2014, 07:01:19 pm
Every single day.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 28, 2014, 07:02:52 pm
Every single day.

Pretty much.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 07:17:08 pm
Come to think of it... this is alot like the Spanish Civil War isn't it? ISIS are the Falangists, the Iraqi Army are the Republicans and the Kurds are the Catalionian nationalists.

So international brigades would make sense. I like this idea!
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 28, 2014, 07:30:00 pm
The bastards wear towels on their head, I don't see why not we just go over there and give them a good ol' spanking.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Locust on September 28, 2014, 07:34:19 pm
1st FSE Brigade "The Flying Squirrels"
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 07:38:23 pm
1st Internet Brigade "The Flying Squirrel Paratroopers"
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Furrnox on September 28, 2014, 07:42:16 pm
1st Regiment of Warbanders.
1st Battalion "the Flying squirrels".
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 28, 2014, 07:55:45 pm
We'll use old napoleonic style tactics, Muslim bastards won't know what hit them
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 07:58:42 pm
>Implying the Iraqi Army is Muslim
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 28, 2014, 08:00:30 pm
We've been through this my dark friend.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 08:01:01 pm
Call me fucking dark again.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Newkirk on September 28, 2014, 08:38:21 pm
1st FSE Brigade "The Flying Squirrels"
10/10 would enlist.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 08:49:56 pm
1st FSE Brigade "The Flying Squirrels"
10/10 would enlist.

+1
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on September 28, 2014, 09:37:21 pm
While we talk shit about ISIS, Thousands of young people, socialists, trade unionists, revolutionary, feminist, libertarian pour in from all over Turkey to Kobanê.
They go there to support and defend the city, the Turkish army tries to disperse them, as they are accused of being much more permissive with the jihadists who are trying too, to cross the border to join Daech.

Despite the blockades of the Turkish army, hundreds of activists and militants have managed to cross the border. Hundreds of Turkish Kurds are arriving too, sneaking or bribing their way across the border to fight alongside the YPG. - among them, comrades of the Revolutionary Anarchist Action Group, who made the trip to Istanbul to join the defense of Kobanê, and sent these photos.

This is Direct Action, instead of talking out of their ass about how much their country is doing... they have gone there themselves to fight for civilization.
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It time for international brigades again.

Dude, why do just copy full texts from sites without bothering mentioning you didn't write it yourself?

http://www.anarkismo.net/article/27412

Great to see you are using such objective sources.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Archduke Sven on September 28, 2014, 09:50:11 pm
While we talk shit about ISIS, Thousands of young people, socialists, trade unionists, revolutionary, feminist, libertarian pour in from all over Turkey to Kobanê.
They go there to support and defend the city, the Turkish army tries to disperse them, as they are accused of being much more permissive with the jihadists who are trying too, to cross the border to join Daech.

Despite the blockades of the Turkish army, hundreds of activists and militants have managed to cross the border. Hundreds of Turkish Kurds are arriving too, sneaking or bribing their way across the border to fight alongside the YPG. - among them, comrades of the Revolutionary Anarchist Action Group, who made the trip to Istanbul to join the defense of Kobanê, and sent these photos.

This is Direct Action, instead of talking out of their ass about how much their country is doing... they have gone there themselves to fight for civilization.

It time for international brigades again.

You're also one of the people sitting on their arse doing nothing. Go do something then Augy, fight for civilization.

Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 28, 2014, 10:39:02 pm
https://tahriricn.wordpress.com/2014/09/28/kurdistansyria-anarchists-join-struggle-against-isis-in-kobane/
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 28, 2014, 10:40:47 pm
Why do all this discussions devolve into Augy vs. The Rest?   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 28, 2014, 10:43:08 pm
Call me fucking dark again.
Ur dark
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 10:44:13 pm
Because he always injects his ideology into every discussion, even when it isn't pertinent.

Call me fucking dark again.
Ur dark

And you're part of the DPP. Now fuck off.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 28, 2014, 10:46:37 pm
Because he always injects his ideology into every discussion, even when it isn't pertinent.

Call me fucking dark again.
Ur dark

And you're part of the DPP. Now fuck off.
Proud member. All hail the aryan master race
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 10:46:59 pm
Friggin asshole.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 28, 2014, 10:47:27 pm
You havent noticed but everyone here does, Clearly. The difference is that believers in politics have always cast aside their differences when dealing with anarchists or "uncontrollables" as they like to call them. I can't help having a spine.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 10:51:51 pm
Augy at this point people aren't pissed off at your politics, they're pissed off at you having to merge Anarcho-Communism with literally every possible discussion. Can you tell me one post you've ever made that doesn't allude to some kind of Anarchist movement or group over the past... I dunno 3 months?

There's having a spine and then there's ranting and raving.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 28, 2014, 10:56:04 pm
Friggin asshole.
(https://i.imgur.com/VWr6I.gif)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 10:57:08 pm
Friggin asshole.
(https://i.imgur.com/VWr6I.gif)


When you have people throwing racial slurs at you and making entire threads about your ethnic group there's plenty of reason to be upset.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 28, 2014, 11:00:32 pm
Friggin asshole.
(https://i.imgur.com/VWr6I.gif)


When you have people throwing racial slurs at you and making entire threads about your ethnic group there's plenty of reason to be upset.
So you confirm you're a darkie AHA case closed thank you very much
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 28, 2014, 11:03:20 pm
Why am I even bothering with this idiot...
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 28, 2014, 11:05:30 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/VWr6I.gif)


Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Locust on September 28, 2014, 11:15:34 pm
I feel bad for Clearly. He is a nice young lad.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Humlenerd on September 28, 2014, 11:30:12 pm
Why am I even bothering with this idiot...
Rule #1 of troll fighting club: Do not feed the trolls.
Rule #2 of troll fighting club: Do not feed the trolls.
Rule #3 of troll fighting club: Do not feed the trolls.
Rule #4 of troll fighting club: Do not feed the trolls.

Welcome to the troll fighting club.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 29, 2014, 12:13:54 am
Why am I even bothering with this idiot...
Rule #1 of troll fighting club: Do not feed the trolls.
Rule #2 of troll fighting club: Do not feed the trolls.
Rule #3 of troll fighting club: Do not feed the trolls.
Rule #4 of troll fighting club: Do not feed the trolls.

Welcome to the troll fighting club.
I really do wonder how Barraclough hasn't gotten muted with all the racist shit he posts :D
His posts could be removed for "personal attacks", "racism" and "inflammatory content", but, no, no warning points for him.
I wonder what would happen if I said the same shit about Muslims and African Americans... :)

Anyway Clearly, we all love you bae, don't let the trolls bring you down!  8)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 29, 2014, 12:34:46 am
He's been saying that stuff about Muslims and Basketball-Americans from the beginning. He hasn't gotten muted because who the fuck cares?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 29, 2014, 12:44:11 am
He's been saying that stuff about Muslims and Basketball-Americans from the beginning. He hasn't gotten muted because who the fuck cares?
I get +20 points and a lovely condemning sentence from a moderator for saying
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but he gets nothing for all dat :)
Anyway, Clearly does seem to mind,... but, whatever, I never expected anyone in a position of power to use it fairly.
GG mods.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Ser Thomas on September 29, 2014, 01:29:36 am
Ultra Greek Nationalist
wha..
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 29, 2014, 01:35:34 am
He's been saying that stuff about Muslims and Basketball-Americans from the beginning. He hasn't gotten muted because who the fuck cares?
Dis

If you ask me, camps sound like the answer
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on September 29, 2014, 05:32:20 am
Sure no points it's not like I've been watched for a couple of days now
Welcome to FSE.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on September 29, 2014, 10:46:05 am
Try acting normal once you can post again.

Augy, you have a spine? Maybe try replying to posts instead of spamming lectures, claiming to be some sort of freedom fighter while you do nothing but pretending everybody who fights somewhere against someone believes in the same political ideas as you.

I'm pretty sick of all your claims that you have helped and contributed to a variety of (anarchist) organisations while you have failed to deliver a single piece of evidence. Just because you think of us as lesser persons with faulty opinons doesn't mean that we must believe everything you say.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 29, 2014, 01:25:48 pm
Funny how saying "kill all the jews and neegars" will get you a warning on FSE and angry responses from idiots who feed the trolls. Yet say "kill all ISIS" and you surprising get no warning and are met with borderline applause and encouragement
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on September 29, 2014, 02:12:31 pm
That's cos one's a member of ISIS by choice, apart from the fact it's doing pretty bad shit.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Bruin on September 29, 2014, 03:02:15 pm
ISIS is gonna invade Lebanon and Jordan next. Sad to say a Terrorist Attack is soon to happen with already the high numbers of them in our homelands.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 29, 2014, 03:44:14 pm
Just arm Serbia with all the best arsenal, let her remove kebab as Serbia has been always good at.


Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 29, 2014, 03:45:57 pm
Serbia joins the war against ISIS
Next.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 29, 2014, 04:23:39 pm
That's cos one's a member of ISIS by choice, apart from the fact it's doing pretty bad shit.
That's besides the point
Your wishing death on people who you don't know
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on September 29, 2014, 04:26:57 pm
All countries we live in wish death on them, but not jews or blacks. So I think it's acceptable.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 29, 2014, 04:41:04 pm
All countries we live in wish death on them, but not jews or blacks. So I think it's acceptable.
If every country wanted to kill Jews and blacks, that wouldn't make it acceptable
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 29, 2014, 04:48:30 pm
Defending ISIS is like defending Nazis just saying.


The ISIS are carrying out genocide of anyone who does not follow the Islam way of life. Thus meaning the Christians (Kurds) are getting beheaded every week.  I think its perfectly acceptable to wish death upon a group. 

ISIS's action toward to Non-Islam folks is just exactly the same as Nazis toward to Jews.  And would you defend the Nazis? I don't think you're that stupid.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: munky-wunky on September 29, 2014, 05:01:25 pm
who the fuck is defending ISIS,  that little shit of cell needs to fucking die, those goat fucking fags need to buried into the grown so much that they will not pop up again.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on September 29, 2014, 05:07:15 pm
Sorry Howe but you are completely in the wrong here, in this era a majority of countries do not with death upon Jews or blacks and that would never happen in this generation, while you have a live example of genocide and atrocities including beheading children in front of your eyes by ISIS.  Its fair play to wish death upon them, it's happening in front of us.  Its not wishing death upon Muslims, but ISIS as they created their own radicalized religion.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 29, 2014, 05:09:28 pm
Sorry Howe but you are completely in the wrong here, in this era a majority of countries do not with death upon Jews or blacks and that would never happen in this generation, while you have a live example of genocide and atrocities including beheading children in front of your eyes by ISIS.  Its fair play to wish death upon them, it's happening in front of us.  Its not wishing death upon Muslims, but ISIS as they created their own radicalized religion.
How about we don't wish death on anyone? #Live #Rights #Multiculturalism
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on September 29, 2014, 05:12:16 pm
If they wish death on us in the most excruciating ways possible I think it's fair enough we can do the same.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 29, 2014, 05:13:42 pm
If they wish death on us in the most excruciating ways possible I think it's fair enough we can do the same.
No, it's up to Western Society to take, once again, the moral high ground and lecture the rest of the world, which seems to be a heap of shit in our eyes, on rights freedum and democracy.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: munky-wunky on September 29, 2014, 05:25:53 pm
If they wish death on us in the most excruciating ways possible I think it's fair enough we can do the same.

well said
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 29, 2014, 05:55:26 pm
We need to send in Captain Planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V_Xlci20eM

edit:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773452/The-REAL-road-warriors-Mad-Max-battle-buses-tanks-built-Kurdish-fighters-repel-ISIS-soldiers-Syria.html

They aren't Peshmerga, by the look of the flags they are in fact PKK road warriors.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Becker- on September 29, 2014, 07:06:29 pm
How long till Bush is president again?

I'm tired of Obama pussyfooting around the issue.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 29, 2014, 07:15:21 pm
If they wish death on us in the most excruciating ways possible I think it's fair enough we can do the same.
Two wrongs don't make a right. If the West truly is the beacon of civility and freedom it claims to be, then it must demonstrate that. The West wants to to what ISIS is doing except on a mass, organized, and well funded scale
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on September 29, 2014, 07:26:04 pm
So we want to purge entire religions and races, organize mass executions, etc...? Or do we want to eliminate the threat of national security by destroying ISIS, there are no other options, we can let them be and let them continue to execute our people and have the threat of them attacking our homeland, we can be diplomatic with the savages and maybe negotiate, all these have failed and the only option is through force.  We are also a democracy and a majority of Americans approve of the military strikes on the militants.  Yea it could take a decade, but it's better to be safe than sorry.  By doing NOTHING there will be even more groups popping up and even more threats, and more countries seeing how weak we are and using that to their advantage.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Newkirk on September 29, 2014, 07:51:54 pm
So we want to purge entire religions and races, organize mass executions, etc...? Or do we want to eliminate the threat of national security by destroying ISIS, there are no other options, we can let them be and let them continue to execute our people and have the threat of them attacking our homeland, we can be diplomatic with the savages and maybe negotiate, all these have failed and the only option is through force.  We are also a democracy and a majority of Americans approve of the military strikes on the militants.  Yea it could take a decade, but it's better to be safe than sorry.  By doing NOTHING there will be even more groups popping up and even more threats, and more countries seeing how weak we are and using that to their advantage.
^ +1
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Gizmo on September 29, 2014, 07:56:17 pm
So we want to purge entire religions and races, organize mass executions, etc...? Or do we want to eliminate the threat of national security by destroying ISIS, there are no other options, we can let them be and let them continue to execute our people and have the threat of them attacking our homeland, we can be diplomatic with the savages and maybe negotiate, all these have failed and the only option is through force.  We are also a democracy and a majority of Americans approve of the military strikes on the militants.  Yea it could take a decade, but it's better to be safe than sorry.  By doing NOTHING there will be even more groups popping up and even more threats, and more countries seeing how weak we are and using that to their advantage.
If you didn't intervene in the first place, none of this would have happened, just saying. Stop thinking you're some saviours. Shall I remember you that Al Qaeda is your creation and that most mujahideen were trained by Americans (going back to the USSR in Afghanistan).
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Becker- on September 29, 2014, 08:01:08 pm
So we want to purge entire religions and races, organize mass executions, etc...? Or do we want to eliminate the threat of national security by destroying ISIS, there are no other options, we can let them be and let them continue to execute our people and have the threat of them attacking our homeland, we can be diplomatic with the savages and maybe negotiate, all these have failed and the only option is through force.  We are also a democracy and a majority of Americans approve of the military strikes on the militants.  Yea it could take a decade, but it's better to be safe than sorry.  By doing NOTHING there will be even more groups popping up and even more threats, and more countries seeing how weak we are and using that to their advantage.
If you didn't intervene in the first place, none of this would have happened, just saying. Stop thinking you're some saviours. Shall I remember you that Al Qaeda is your creation and that most mujahideen were trained by Americans (going back to the USSR in Afghanistan).

Its no longer a point of being a savior. We want to end it. Period. ISIS is slaughtering those who refuse to convert to their form of religion, and using it as a weapon to antagonize and scare US civilians. This might be what they want. All out war with the US but my god it would make me happy to watch one of these fuckers drop.

Warning, Graphic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6yI2eKOWI
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If you can sit around and watch HUMANS do this to each other then you have lost some if not all of your humanity.

Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Bruin on September 29, 2014, 08:22:09 pm
That's cos one's a member of ISIS by choice, apart from the fact it's doing pretty bad shit.
That's besides the point
Your wishing death on people who you don't know
dont know if youre trolling because im here or you are trolling to get me fired up.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 29, 2014, 08:50:29 pm
Its terrible indeed but you're letting the media propaganda machine decide your line of thinking, Becker [54th].

What were saying is that the American establishment is indirectly and directly responsible for ISIS creation and persistence.. Not to mention other such groups.... Wiki for instance the School of the Americas... an american funded private school in South America that has trained and schooled South American dictators and military stooges.

Most people are just like; "Guys I know what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq and Lybia and Korea and Latin America and Africa and stuff was terrible and we were clearly wrong about that but like ISIS tweeted a video of a guy getting his head cut off so like we don't really have an option. Besides Obama is a democrat so it could be worse." It's kind of a sad state of affairs when we're always at war with someone, and there's always a new enemy. We are truly going towards the world of 1984.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Madbull on September 29, 2014, 08:57:37 pm
Too bad in a few years we'll have another shitty Republican president.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 29, 2014, 08:58:34 pm
Defending ISIS is like defending Nazis just saying.


The ISIS are carrying out genocide of anyone who does not follow the Islam way of life. Thus meaning the Christians (Kurds) are getting beheaded every week.  I think its perfectly acceptable to wish death upon a group. 

ISIS's action toward to Non-Islam folks is just exactly the same as Nazis toward to Jews.  And would you defend the Nazis? I don't think you're that stupid.

This to an extent is false.

ISIS' most direct and harsh attacks have actually been towards Shias and Sunnis who don't align with them, most Christians (While being oppresed) aren't at direct risk of violence as long as they pay the jizat. Jews... well I can't comment on them, I haven't seen what's happened.

But it stands to fact here that ISIS is killing far more Muslims than they are Christians, and Christians aren't the target of ISIS, that's the Shia.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on September 29, 2014, 09:29:27 pm
Howe is trolling, as he always is. Best ignore him.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 29, 2014, 10:32:23 pm
Fek off Duuring

That's cos one's a member of ISIS by choice, apart from the fact it's doing pretty bad shit.
That's besides the point
Your wishing death on people who you don't know
dont know if youre trolling because im here or you are trolling to get me fired up.
That's obviously what I'm doing you deductive little princess. You are here, ergo I am trolly by saying don't kill people and stop interfering in the area. Goddamn, that must've take some fine detective work to see through that. +rep
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 29, 2014, 10:38:24 pm
So we want to purge entire religions and races, organize mass executions, etc...? Or do we want to eliminate the threat of national security by destroying ISIS, there are no other options, we can let them be and let them continue to execute our people and have the threat of them attacking our homeland, we can be diplomatic with the savages and maybe negotiate, all these have failed and the only option is through force.  We are also a democracy and a majority of Americans approve of the military strikes on the militants.  Yea it could take a decade, but it's better to be safe than sorry.  By doing NOTHING there will be even more groups popping up and even more threats, and more countries seeing how weak we are and using that to their advantage.
So we should kill people in the name of national pride and strength? And I'd like to remind you that this radical group has been able to rise so effectively due to the fact that we destabilized the region. That region has been under Western imperial influence for a long time, its people lumped together that don't want to be together. What I'm going to say sounds horrible but let this situation play out. This is not condoning their actions. And is ISIS a potential threat to American security and its people? Yes but so is every right wing, white lunatic who knows how to make bombs out of fertilizer and owns a small military arsenal, yet we aren't carpet bombing the South.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 29, 2014, 10:49:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAJ2ZYHbp1Y
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on September 29, 2014, 10:59:30 pm
And is ISIS a potential threat to American security and its people? Yes but so is every right wing, white lunatic who knows how to make bombs out of fertilizer and owns a small military arsenal, yet we aren't carpet bombing the South.

That might just be the stupidest thing you ever said.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Locust on September 29, 2014, 11:00:45 pm
I don't know why you guys waste your time arguing with each other. Neither side is going to change their point of view.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 29, 2014, 11:09:07 pm
And is ISIS a potential threat to American security and its people? Yes but so is every right wing, white lunatic who knows how to make bombs out of fertilizer and owns a small military arsenal, yet we aren't carpet bombing the South.

That might just be the stupidest thing you ever said.
No, this is the stupidest thing I've ever said
Durrr hurrr wurrr I like parrot cock hurrr

Everyone one with a beef against the current American president or regime has the potential to commit a terrorist act yet they aren't bombed based off that potential. Until ISIS launches a terrorist attack on America, they should not be punished for what they might do
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Gizmo on September 29, 2014, 11:35:57 pm
Its no longer a point of being a savior. We want to end it. Period. ISIS is slaughtering those who refuse to convert to their form of religion, and using it as a weapon to antagonize and scare US civilians. This might be what they want. All out war with the US but my god it would make me happy to watch one of these fuckers drop.

Warning, Graphic.
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6yI2eKOWI
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If you can sit around and watch HUMANS do this to each other then you have lost some if not all of your humanity.

Stop being egocentric as well, it's not about muh US civilians, it's about the whole world. We, europeans, are more in danger than you are, yet we don't dramatise it like you do. You seem to forget that we do have large muslim communities living here and that European hostages are being executed as well. We've also had some islamist chap 2 years ago assassinating French soldiers and some kids at a Jewish school so for God's sake stop thinking for your own 'murican arse (sorry for the word but it really grinds my gears).
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on September 30, 2014, 12:58:37 am
Exactly, those things happened to your country, and we are trying to prevent as many plots like those from ever happening in ours again.  @Howe, those in the south who have those capabilities dont have the intention of bombing a civilian populace, or else the NSA or FBI would get them (they have been).  Likewise, ISIS do have the intention and have blatantly stated their intention to attack America and its allies.  By doing nothing, we only increase the risk and give ISIS the time to prepare and attack our homeland, and we also definitely increase the amount of other terrorist cells who see we would not be doing anything, to emerge and inflict harm.  You can be pacifist about it like Ron Paul, but at the end of the day a majority agree it can only come through action and force, which will instill fear, obviously more hatred and vengeful behavior, but all in all will reduce the risk of those jihadists attacking America or even any other EU country.  Even most American Muslims support destroying ISIS, as most dont even consider them followers of Islam, but radical extremist lunatics who misinterpret the religion they are attempting to follow. 
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 30, 2014, 01:18:56 am
Exactly, those things happened to your country, and we are trying to prevent as many plots like those from ever happening in ours againblah blah blah... or even any other EU country.  Even most American Muslims support destroying ISIS, as most dont even consider them followers of Islam, but radical extremist lunatics who misinterpret the religion they are attempting to follow
So what are we waiting for? Give those Arab madafuckaz some 2000lbs of Freedom and Demucracy!
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fprevious.presstv.ir%2Fphoto%2F20130906%2Fgholami20130906192501587.jpg&hash=ab6755b3e6547fb761d367bec4e5cdb21066e217)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Becker- on September 30, 2014, 03:09:53 am

Its no longer a point of being a savior. We want to end it. Period. ISIS is slaughtering those who refuse to convert to their form of religion, and using it as a weapon to antagonize and scare US civilians. This might be what they want. All out war with the US but my god it would make me happy to watch one of these fuckers drop.

Warning, Graphic.
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6yI2eKOWI
[close]

If you can sit around and watch HUMANS do this to each other then you have lost some if not all of your humanity.

Stop being egocentric as well, it's not about muh US civilians, it's about the whole world. We, europeans, are more in danger than you are, yet we don't dramatise it like you do. You seem to forget that we do have large muslim communities living here and that European hostages are being executed as well. We've also had some islamist chap 2 years ago assassinating French soldiers and some kids at a Jewish school so for God's sake stop thinking for your own 'murican arse (sorry for the word but it really grinds my gears).

I can care equally for Europeans. But if they are targeting Americans for any reason what so ever is of major concern for me. I take pride in my country and those around me. If they are under threat then I am as well. It's a reason countries are countries, like minded individuals who would fight for what they believe in. If it's to hard to understand that then there is no use explaining it.

I get that we don't go about our business in the best way for everybody. But when it gets down to it, we will act in a way that will be to the benefit of the American population.

ISIS is our enemy, they will be stripped down and exposed by us or another entity that feels the same.


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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: George385 on September 30, 2014, 03:24:05 am
ISIS declared war on Australia, and they are urging all Muslims worldwide to launch attacks on Australia on our soil.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 30, 2014, 03:51:43 am
Exactly, those things happened to your country, and we are trying to prevent as many plots like those from ever happening in ours again.  @Howe, those in the south who have those capabilities dont have the intention of bombing a civilian populace, or else the NSA or FBI would get them (they have been).  Likewise, ISIS do have the intention and have blatantly stated their intention to attack America and its allies.  By doing nothing, we only increase the risk and give ISIS the time to prepare and attack our homeland, and we also definitely increase the amount of other terrorist cells who see we would not be doing anything, to emerge and inflict harm.  You can be pacifist about it like Ron Paul, but at the end of the day a majority agree it can only come through action and force, which will instill fear, obviously more hatred and vengeful behavior, but all in all will reduce the risk of those jihadists attacking America or even any other EU country.  Even most American Muslims support destroying ISIS, as most dont even consider them followers of Islam, but radical extremist lunatics who misinterpret the religion they are attempting to follow.
So the plan is to continue in a vicious cycle of interference, destabilization, radicalization, and repeat? I'm not saying that no action is required, I'm saying that carpet bombing isn't the answer. I'd prefer a defensive strategy that involved simply surrounding Iraq and letting the situation devolve naturally than massive bombings which end up killing more civilians than actual militants.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Becker- on September 30, 2014, 04:06:10 am
Who said anything about carpet bombing?
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20060822062047%2Funcyclopedia%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fc7%2FPWNWAR_NUKE.jpg&hash=a22124f945baf0064dc8e4b7f94e97ca224f95b6)

just kidding.

But strategic strikes are what works. Not drone strikes, but hunting ISIS leadership; capturing, and detaining.
It won't be easy, but it will hinder any sort of retaliation as long as it is done in a manner that constantly exhausts those who follow them.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 30, 2014, 04:24:53 am
Exactly, those things happened to your country, and we are trying to prevent as many plots like those from ever happening in ours againblah blah blah... or even any other EU country.  Even most American Muslims support destroying ISIS, as most dont even consider them followers of Islam, but radical extremist lunatics who misinterpret the religion they are attempting to follow
So what are we waiting for? Give those Arab madafuckaz some 2000lbs of Freedom and Demucracy!
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fprevious.presstv.ir%2Fphoto%2F20130906%2Fgholami20130906192501587.jpg&hash=ab6755b3e6547fb761d367bec4e5cdb21066e217)



Actually last report shows that over 150 airstrike were carried out. Few leaders has now starting to say only way to beat ISIS, is by ground. 

Obama deployed a battalion of 1st ID to Iraq last week.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 30, 2014, 11:14:17 am
War is Peace! Ignorance is strenght! Freedom is Slavery!
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on September 30, 2014, 02:02:06 pm
Who said anything about carpet bombing?
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20060822062047%2Funcyclopedia%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fc7%2FPWNWAR_NUKE.jpg&hash=a22124f945baf0064dc8e4b7f94e97ca224f95b6)

just kidding.

But strategic strikes are what works. Not drone strikes, but hunting ISIS leadership; capturing, and detaining.
It won't be easy, but it will hinder any sort of retaliation as long as it is done in a manner that constantly exhausts those who follow them.
I'd be more than willing to concede that taking out ISIS leadership is the best strategy if any should take place. But I stick to letting the Islamic State have its brief moment of autonomy and then natural factors will bring it down, as Western interference is not needed.

#JustGiveMeArabicSuperState
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on September 30, 2014, 02:37:25 pm
I think you're overestimating the size of the coalition forces. It's still mostly the Kurds doing all the fighting.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Bruin on September 30, 2014, 03:20:37 pm
Fek off Duuring

That's cos one's a member of ISIS by choice, apart from the fact it's doing pretty bad shit.
That's besides the point
Your wishing death on people who you don't know
dont know if youre trolling because im here or you are trolling to get me fired up.
That's obviously what I'm doing you deductive little princess. You are here, ergo I am trolly by saying don't kill people and stop interfering in the area. Goddamn, that must've take some fine detective work to see through that. +rep
im still confused
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Bruin on September 30, 2014, 03:23:19 pm
Its no longer a point of being a savior. We want to end it. Period. ISIS is slaughtering those who refuse to convert to their form of religion, and using it as a weapon to antagonize and scare US civilians. This might be what they want. All out war with the US but my god it would make me happy to watch one of these fuckers drop.

Warning, Graphic.
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6yI2eKOWI
[close]

If you can sit around and watch HUMANS do this to each other then you have lost some if not all of your humanity.

Stop being egocentric as well, it's not about muh US civilians, it's about the whole world. We, europeans, are more in danger than you are, yet we don't dramatise it like you do. You seem to forget that we do have large muslim communities living here and that European hostages are being executed as well. We've also had some islamist chap 2 years ago assassinating French soldiers and some kids at a Jewish school so for God's sake stop thinking for your own 'murican arse (sorry for the word but it really grinds my gears).
Actually someone looked into those videos of the drivebys. They were going after Iraqi Army Soldiers, and people who spoke out against ISIS. They weren't random civilians they had a price on their head.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 30, 2014, 03:32:10 pm
Fek off Duuring

That's cos one's a member of ISIS by choice, apart from the fact it's doing pretty bad shit.
That's besides the point
Your wishing death on people who you don't know
dont know if youre trolling because im here or you are trolling to get me fired up.
That's obviously what I'm doing you deductive little princess. You are here, ergo I am trolly by saying don't kill people and stop interfering in the area. Goddamn, that must've take some fine detective work to see through that. +rep
im still confused

Holy shit, you are really dense.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Bruin on September 30, 2014, 03:34:31 pm
Fek off Duuring

That's cos one's a member of ISIS by choice, apart from the fact it's doing pretty bad shit.
That's besides the point
Your wishing death on people who you don't know
dont know if youre trolling because im here or you are trolling to get me fired up.
That's obviously what I'm doing you deductive little princess. You are here, ergo I am trolly by saying don't kill people and stop interfering in the area. Goddamn, that must've take some fine detective work to see through that. +rep
im still confused

Holy shit, you are really dense.
What does that even mean???
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 30, 2014, 03:40:04 pm
From Google:

Dense - informal
(of a person) stupid.
synonyms: stupid, unintelligent, ignorant, brainless, mindless, foolish, slow, witless, simpleminded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, idiotic, imbecilic; informalthick, dim, moronic, dumb, dopey, dozy, wooden-headed, lamebrained, birdbrained, pea-brained; daft
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 30, 2014, 04:55:35 pm
From Google:

Dense - informal
(of a person) stupid.
synonyms: stupid, unintelligent, ignorant, brainless, mindless, foolish, slow, witless, simpleminded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, idiotic, imbecilic; informalthick, dim, moronic, dumb, dopey, dozy, wooden-headed, lamebrained, birdbrained, pea-brained; daft
Rekt
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Gizmo on September 30, 2014, 05:32:38 pm
I can care equally for Europeans. But if they are targeting Americans for any reason what so ever is of major concern for me. I take pride in my country and those around me. If they are under threat then I am as well. It's a reason countries are countries, like minded individuals who would fight for what they believe in. If it's to hard to understand that then there is no use explaining it.

I get that we don't go about our business in the best way for everybody. But when it gets down to it, we will act in a way that will be to the benefit of the American population.

ISIS is our enemy, they will be stripped down and exposed by us or another entity that feels the same.


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Yeah I understand your whole 'murica thingy, but what I mean is a huge part of the world is threatened by ISIS and a coalition was formed so it's time to start thinking as a whole. Even Obama called on the world to form the coalition... This isn't just about the United States anymore, it's about all of us as a whole (even though, again, I understand your belief).
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on September 30, 2014, 09:17:53 pm
Gotta feel bad about the "good" groups in Syria who now have to deal with ISIS.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on September 30, 2014, 09:21:14 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnhqtaHuHEU
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Becker- on October 01, 2014, 03:15:09 am
I can care equally for Europeans. But if they are targeting Americans for any reason what so ever is of major concern for me. I take pride in my country and those around me. If they are under threat then I am as well. It's a reason countries are countries, like minded individuals who would fight for what they believe in. If it's to hard to understand that then there is no use explaining it.

I get that we don't go about our business in the best way for everybody. But when it gets down to it, we will act in a way that will be to the benefit of the American population.

ISIS is our enemy, they will be stripped down and exposed by us or another entity that feels the same.

Well obviously. But not every country is going to take part. Sadly Americans are always the initiator when it comes to coalitions against things like such so we take the blame.


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Yeah I understand your whole 'murica thingy, but what I mean is a huge part of the world is threatened by ISIS and a coalition was formed so it's time to start thinking as a whole. Even Obama called on the world to form the coalition... This isn't just about the United States anymore, it's about all of us as a whole (even though, again, I understand your belief).
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 01, 2014, 04:36:55 am
Maybe if I crusade this thread I can expel large amounts of stupid like on the Ukraine and Israel thread.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Bruin on October 01, 2014, 03:48:50 pm
Gotta feel bad about the "good" groups in Syria who now have to deal with ISIS.
Like the Pro-Assad Nationalist.

I love Assad and hope he wins.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Masterporn on October 01, 2014, 04:23:54 pm
Defending ISIS is like defending Nazis just saying.


The ISIS are carrying out genocide of anyone who does not follow the Islam way of life. Thus meaning the Christians (Kurds) are getting beheaded every week.  I think its perfectly acceptable to wish death upon a group. 

ISIS's action toward to Non-Islam folks is just exactly the same as Nazis toward to Jews.  And would you defend the Nazis? I don't think you're that stupid.


No, The kurds arent christian where did you get that from. 90 % of the kurds are muslim sunni, 5% shia and 5% are the other religions
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 01, 2014, 04:49:04 pm
Defending ISIS is like defending Nazis just saying.


The ISIS are carrying out genocide of anyone who does not follow the Islam way of life. Thus meaning the Christians (Kurds) are getting beheaded every week.  I think its perfectly acceptable to wish death upon a group. 

ISIS's action toward to Non-Islam folks is just exactly the same as Nazis toward to Jews.  And would you defend the Nazis? I don't think you're that stupid.


No, The kurds arent christian where did you get that from. 90 % of the kurds are muslim sunni, 5% shia and 5% are the other religions


Ok geez if you want to get specific, fine. But my point remain the same, there ARE christian kurds that are being killed by ISIS.

I honestly don't give a shit about percentage, as long you are killing a group because their belief don't match with yours. It's basically murder already. Kill one guy or 50. Same thing, murder.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 01, 2014, 04:53:21 pm
Gotta feel bad about the "good" groups in Syria who now have to deal with ISIS.
Like the Pro-Assad Nationalist.

I love Assad and hope he wins.

He clearly fights for the good guys
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnatocouncil.ca%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2F29-ahmed-aleppo-syria.jpg&hash=88eceb4b394e0b3cf310d59919a81104517e48a5)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBI8T2zXCEAAETNd.jpg%3Alarge&hash=352bfa2d0de97bd5d568522caa0cfb52476998c6)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Becker- on October 01, 2014, 05:18:09 pm
Give a kid Fanta, he'll give you his life.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 01, 2014, 05:19:47 pm
I honestly don't give a shit about percentage, as long you are killing a group because their belief don't match with yours. It's basically murder already. Kill one guy or 50. Same thing, murder.
Yes, but it is the scale of the murder that differs. Hitler, Stalin and Mao are way more to blame for the millions whose deaths they ordered, than say, one random murder somewhere. Logic?

Spoiler
Gotta feel bad about the "good" groups in Syria who now have to deal with ISIS.
Like the Pro-Assad Nationalist.

I love Assad and hope he wins.

He clearly fights for the good guys
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnatocouncil.ca%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2F29-ahmed-aleppo-syria.jpg&hash=88eceb4b394e0b3cf310d59919a81104517e48a5)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBI8T2zXCEAAETNd.jpg%3Alarge&hash=352bfa2d0de97bd5d568522caa0cfb52476998c6)
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Ever considered using a spoiler? Or maybe you want shock us by posting a 4K res pic of a child carrying an AK loaded with blanks? This isn't the first time we've  seen this shit b4.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Locust on October 01, 2014, 05:22:23 pm
Gotta feel bad about the "good" groups in Syria who now have to deal with ISIS.
Like the Pro-Assad Nationalist.

I love Assad and hope he wins.
I agree. I genuinely hope Assad wins.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 01, 2014, 05:50:26 pm
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/09/29/us-bombs-iraq-and-syria-who-exactly-being-killed
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 01, 2014, 05:54:18 pm
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/09/29/us-bombs-iraq-and-syria-who-exactly-being-killed

Saw this, and immediately stopped reading.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commondreams.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fcd_tagline_logo_blue-500_0.jpg&hash=eeb8452339788ed610ce9fad91c9ab6618d8bb80)
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 01, 2014, 06:07:12 pm
Quote
Ever considered using a spoiler? Or maybe you want shock us by posting a 4K res pic of a child carrying an AK loaded with blanks? This isn't the first time we've  seen this shit b4.
Loaded with blanks? What? Why the hell would you think his gun was loaded with blanks?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 01, 2014, 06:10:08 pm
Quote
Ever considered using a spoiler? Or maybe you want shock us by posting a 4K res pic of a child carrying an AK loaded with blanks? This isn't the first time we've  seen this shit b4.
Loaded with blanks? What? Why the hell would you think his gun was loaded with blanks?
Meh, it was an exaggeration implying that this pic may not be 100% legit... 'Scuse me for being a wee bit cynical in this propaganda war.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 01, 2014, 06:12:52 pm
Give me an onion

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-pros-and-cons-of-military-intervention-against,36911/
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 01, 2014, 06:19:40 pm
Give me an onion

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-pros-and-cons-of-military-intervention-against,36911/
Man I love this site. Also try "The Daily Mash" I think... :)
Spoiler
Wrong thread http://www.theonion.com/articles/tips-for-being-an-unarmed-black-teen,36697/
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 01, 2014, 06:29:44 pm
Quote
Ever considered using a spoiler? Or maybe you want shock us by posting a 4K res pic of a child carrying an AK loaded with blanks? This isn't the first time we've  seen this shit b4.
Loaded with blanks? What? Why the hell would you think his gun was loaded with blanks?
Meh, it was an exaggeration implying that this pic may not be 100% legit... 'Scuse me for being a wee bit cynical in this propaganda war.

I think it's legit. Maybe used out of context, but probably not doctored.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 01, 2014, 06:41:37 pm
Ever considered using a spoiler? Or maybe you want shock us by posting a 4K res pic of a child carrying an AK loaded with blanks? This isn't the first time we've  seen this shit b4.
I want to spoil you though.

Who said I wanted to shock anyone? Your prejudice shocks me. Hes badass. He has mad swag.
Was his cigarette or Fanta fake too?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 01, 2014, 06:45:11 pm
Ever considered using a spoiler? Or maybe you want shock us by posting a 4K res pic of a child carrying an AK loaded with blanks? This isn't the first time we've  seen this shit b4.
I want to spoil you though.

Who said I wanted to shock anyone? Your prejudice shocks me. Hes badass. He has mad swag.
Was his cigarette or Fanta fake too?

Yes, they can't afford Fantas
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 01, 2014, 06:51:03 pm
http://www.theonion.com/articles/isis-having-difficulty-finding-american-recruits-p,37068/

Top kek.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 01, 2014, 07:33:14 pm
Ever considered using a spoiler? Or maybe you want shock us by posting a 4K res pic of a child carrying an AK loaded with blanks? This isn't the first time we've  seen this shit b4.
I want to spoil you though.

Who said I wanted to shock anyone? Your prejudice shocks me. Hes badass. He has mad swag.
Was his cigarette or Fanta fake too?

Yes, they can't afford Fantas

Obviously hes fighting because the government doesn't cover his cigarettes and Fanta.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/isis-having-difficulty-finding-american-recruits-p,37068/

Top kek.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.appliancesonlineblog.com.au%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F08%2Fbrown-onion.jpg&hash=3a72b08278c24a2b8bdb153fd407077016397371)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 01, 2014, 07:45:18 pm
To the point of Ain Al Arab and the Turkish Security forces stopping the Kurds from passing, you have to remember the PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party), even if the PKK is not the majority fighting in that border town, have been at a Civil War with Turkey over more rights for the Kurdish population there, Turkey fears that, if allowed to go into Syria, these Kurds would gain experience and become battle hardened veterans, they would return and commit to another civil war, which they fear would be far more bloodier then the last.

Still, I find the Turks stopping the Kurds from fighting in what they believe is their homeland to be ridiculous, especially from a threat like Daesh.


Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 03, 2014, 06:42:23 am
This thread has become so magical. ... ..
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 03, 2014, 05:02:39 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc04.deviantart.net%2Ffs6%2Fi%2F2005%2F068%2Fc%2F6%2FHiRes_N_Korea_Propanda_Poster_by_Logolotta.jpg&hash=95ef3bcd2b3b8035b7c9687cc6b125fc2836fe01)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 03, 2014, 07:11:34 pm
Battalions upon Battalions of ISIS soldiers along with tanks entered into the city of Kobane today and not a single piece of western support in sight.
Zero help for the Kurds of Kobane is given because they espouse Communalism instead of Capitalism. Apparently letting them be massacred by ISIS is far more preferable than letting an alternative to Capitalism exist.

Fuck the US, Fuck the West, Fuck anybody who says this is a "humanitarian mission" to stop ISIS. Kobane shows this is all a lie.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 03, 2014, 07:37:38 pm
Battalions upon Battalions of ISIS soldiers along with tanks entered into the city of Kobane today and not a single piece of western support in sight.
Zero help for the Kurds of Kobane is given because they espouse Communalism instead of Capitalism. Apparently letting them be massacred by ISIS is far more preferable than letting an alternative to Capitalism exist.

Fuck the US, Fuck the West, Fuck anybody who says this is a "humanitarian mission" to stop ISIS. Kobane shows this is all a lie.
Wait what? So because the West doesn't want to get involved in another ground offensive in a country that already hates them and will cost them thousands of lives and repeat the whole cycle of violence, they're assholes? What about Puerto Rico? I don't see them supporting Kurds! Clearly they are also assholes.

The West has neither the troops (in theatre) nor the will to get involved in a ground offensive. I thought you were always detesting the West for getting involved in the Middle East in the first place? Now suddenly a change of heart?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 03, 2014, 07:42:30 pm
They are still bombing the shit out of ISIS, they couldve easily helped.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 03, 2014, 07:50:18 pm
The only reason for which Turkey refuses to help Kobane is that those guys fighting on the ground are communists and Kurdish nationalists from the PKK.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Alpharion on October 03, 2014, 07:51:45 pm
They are still bombing the shit out of ISIS, they couldve easily helped.
So are they not helping by bombing them then? Or is it a matter that they are not bombing the right places in your mind?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 03, 2014, 07:56:37 pm
I'm mostly pissed at the Turks, they are just watching them to be slaughtered because it is not in their interests. They would love ISIS and the Kurdish leftists fighting them to all die right on that border. PKK is on the list of terror groups so that pretty much makes anyone going to help Kobane labeled as such with a trip to Guantanamo in the future. They are pretty much alone other than the Turkish anarchists who have been crossing the border to join the fight against ISIS.

Kobane has been a rallying point for the PKK and YPG so they have thousands upon thousands of Kurds lined up to join them.

What they need though weapons and other military supplies. Ammo, Guns, Armour, Nightvision, Grenades etc etc, they are apparently dangerously short on that front.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 03, 2014, 08:20:43 pm
Battalions upon Battalions of ISIS soldiers along with tanks entered into the city of Kobane today and not a single piece of western support in sight.
Zero help for the Kurds of Kobane is given because they espouse Communalism instead of Capitalism. Apparently letting them be massacred by ISIS is far more preferable than letting an alternative to Capitalism exist.

Fuck the US, Fuck the West, Fuck anybody who says this is a "humanitarian mission" to stop ISIS. Kobane shows this is all a lie.

Holy shit, what the fuck is your thought process here? How delusional are you?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Allasaphore on October 03, 2014, 08:26:43 pm
Spoiler
Battalions upon Battalions of ISIS soldiers along with tanks entered into the city of Kobane today and not a single piece of western support in sight.
Zero help for the Kurds of Kobane is given because they espouse Communalism instead of Capitalism. Apparently letting them be massacred by ISIS is far more preferable than letting an alternative to Capitalism exist.

Fuck the US, Fuck the West, Fuck anybody who says this is a "humanitarian mission" to stop ISIS. Kobane shows this is all a lie.

Holy shit, what the fuck is your thought process here? How delusional are you?
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I thought that was a well established fact on these forums, Nipplestockings. The logic in his statement is non-sequitur and proceeds as follows.

1) ISIS attacks the city of Kobane, Syria.
2) Western Forces are not present to oppose ISIS in Kobane. Turkey has promised support but has yet to furnish it (they said it would take time).
3) Therefore the West wants ISIS to win because the Kurds are not Capitalists.

Again, non-sequitur to the nth degree. I guess you could also call it question begging, seeing as his argument also takes this form.
1) The West is capitalist.
2) Kobae is not capitalist.
3) The West wants ISIS to take Kobane.

I've just stopped taking him seriously. :(
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 03, 2014, 09:07:40 pm
Turkey said it will do everything it can to stop ISIS from falling into ISIS' hands.

Source on the claim of Daesh entering Kobane?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Menelaos on October 03, 2014, 09:25:10 pm
Communism is a radical ideology about killing people, who on earth would give them military equipment? I thought Anarchism would advocate the end of the military industrial complex, not sending weapons overseas to fuel violence.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 03, 2014, 09:29:40 pm
You guys are nuts, they were building a community and got attacked... they are acting in self-defense.

This just got in, "YPG General Command ended the statement by calling on all the youths of Kurdistan, and all the youths siding with freedom and equality, to join their ranks in order to fulfill their historic responsibilities and to join the struggle of humanity against the savage attacks of ISIS gangs" :
http://www.kurdishinfo.com/ypg-isis-will-never-able-enter-kobane

I sure hope the Kurds get their own autonomous homeland after all this. And then run it with as non-heirarchical a government as is feasible of course. Still, anything is better than being split three ways by lines drawn on a map by western empires
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 03, 2014, 09:47:31 pm
Wait what? So because the West doesn't want to get involved in another ground offensive in a country that already hates them and will cost them thousands of lives and repeat the whole cycle of violence, they're assholes? What about Puerto Rico? I don't see them supporting Kurds! Clearly they are also assholes.

The West has neither the troops (in theatre) nor the will to get involved in a ground offensive. I thought you were always detesting the West for getting involved in the Middle East in the first place? Now suddenly a change of heart?
Please, no poor strawman arguments. You don't need to have boots on the ground to support and you don't need to spend the next 10 years to help the Kurds. Trust me Auggy doesn't want a western occupation of 10 years. He just wants a quick ISIS purge of the region and the KIRDS to be left at to do REST. Lol comparing support to occupations.
Battalions upon Battalions of ISIS soldiers along with tanks entered into the city of Kobane today and not a single piece of western support in sight.
Zero help for the Kurds of Kobane is given because they espouse Communalism instead of Capitalism. Apparently letting them be massacred by ISIS is far more preferable than letting an alternative to Capitalism exist.

Fuck the US, Fuck the West, Fuck anybody who says this is a "humanitarian mission" to stop ISIS. Kobane shows this is all a lie.
Also auggy where are the communists to help the Kurds? Where's Cuba? Where's China? Where's Vietnam? Laos? Leftist South American countries???
Please don't bring up True Korea. We are busy with imperialists and cannot spare troops. Also we aren't really Communist. We removed the marx and lenin portrait a while ago from Kim Il-sung Square. We are a Juche oriented socialist state?

Communism is a radical ideology about killing people, who on earth would give them military equipment? I thought Anarchism would advocate the end of the military industrial complex, not sending weapons overseas to fuel violence.
Good thing we have a Communist expert here.  Maybe it's a coincidence hes not able to understand the complex idea that Communism can take different forms.
Much like not all capitalist countries are democratic, free and or ensure basic standards. Good thing people like you replace democratic leaders like Salvador Allende to back a guy like Augusto Pinochet. 
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Archduke Sven on October 03, 2014, 10:32:28 pm
You guys are nuts, they were building a community and got attacked... they are acting in self-defense.

This just got in, "YPG General Command ended the statement by calling on all the youths of Kurdistan, and all the youths siding with freedom and equality, to join their ranks in order to fulfill their historic responsibilities and to join the struggle of humanity against the savage attacks of ISIS gangs" :
http://www.kurdishinfo.com/ypg-isis-will-never-able-enter-kobane

I sure hope the Kurds get their own autonomous homeland after all this. And then run it with as non-heirarchical a government as is feasible of course. Still, anything is better than being split three ways by lines drawn on a map by western empires

Wait, so groups of anarchists and commies want help from civilized capitalist countries to fight a war against crazy mussies? There is literally no reason for the west to help them other than looking fancy. I'm all for the idea that and enemy of an enemy is your friend, but if i was trying to keep status quo in a country like Turkey i would stay out.

As far as i'm concerned, if they want to build their 'free and equal' society, then they can go fight and win.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 03, 2014, 10:34:50 pm
Theres plenty of people going there to fight with the YPG...

relevant: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/3-renegade-americans-fighting-isis-syria-report-article-1.1961989
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Hammerstout on October 03, 2014, 10:38:44 pm
Funny thing is I don't see you going Augy. Yet you will sit there living comfortably in the west and spout your shit that we're not doing enough to help.

Fuck the US, Fuck the West
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 03, 2014, 10:52:36 pm
Rest in peace Allen.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 03, 2014, 10:55:08 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Shortshorts on October 03, 2014, 11:05:50 pm
So yeah, why don't you go over there and shoot yourself some religious fanatics? I mean surely the reason Kurdistan is a thing right now is because syndicalism is the absolute shit.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: George385 on October 03, 2014, 11:39:56 pm
Alan Henning, a British citizen, has just been beheaded. He was forces to read out this message just before he was killed:-

"Hi I’m Alan Henning. Because of our parliament’s decision to attack the Islamic State, I as a member of the British public, will now pay the price for that decision.”
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 03, 2014, 11:44:31 pm
Augy is totally right about the West, they obviously don't want the PKK Kurds to win. They would gladly support those in Iraq, but the Kurds from Syria have strong relations with the PKK, and the PKK has been struggling against Ankara for a very long time. It's not just that they are somewhat communists, they are above all Kurdish. Moreover Turkey is a NATO country, so of course the West can't just send weapons to the PKK and its allies. If those guys were "moderate" jihadists, or "opposition" as they call them on the BBC, they would have sent them money, weapons, food... and probably trained them in Turkey.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 03, 2014, 11:46:54 pm
Because the west is incapable of being human in any possible way, right?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 03, 2014, 11:52:51 pm
;D (https://i.imgur.com/gallery/akZlF)

Interesting.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 04, 2014, 12:00:50 am
It's a question of diplomacy and strategy, "humanity" hasn't much to do with that. For Turkey, defending its national unity, which implies opposing the Kurds, is also part of its own view on "humanity". Even ISIS is "capable" of being human.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Gizmo on October 04, 2014, 12:59:01 am
Will the conflict take a new step?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-30/turkish-tanks-position-at-the-syrian-border/5777942
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 04, 2014, 01:17:39 am
Will the conflict take a new step?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-30/turkish-tanks-position-at-the-syrian-border/5777942
I was wondering when this would finally happen :D Worryingly, however, it does seem that the conflict is spreading West** (oopsie)...
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on October 04, 2014, 01:19:53 am
There are a lot of countries on paper, but the active military fighter jets and bombers is actually quite small, when you compare the size of the targets all the way from Baghdad to Aleppo.  You also have to realize that with every Hornet, F-22 Raptor, B-1 Lancer, etc.. they are all accompanied by refueling craft, intelligence planes, and more in the air on every mission, its really a lower intensity air campaign compared to the higher/boots on the ground one in Iraq, even though we have spent nearly $1B.  But yea, that one battle in that one part of the region will most likely not be supported by airstrikes (at least to a higher capacity), as you need boots on the ground to verify those strikes, otherwise you could end up bombing civilians or allied troops; again not to mention the airstrikes spanning the entire region.  At this rate from the 1600 or so already on the ground (US), they will need more boots on the ground if they want to start a higher intensity campaign that actually weakens ISIS (we studying this in my ROTC class  ;D)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: munky-wunky on October 04, 2014, 01:22:56 am
There are a lot of countries on paper, but the active military fighter jets and bombers is actually quite small, when you compare the size of the targets all the way from Baghdad to Aleppo.  You also have to realize that with every Hornet, F-22 Raptor, B-1 Lancer, etc.. they are all accompanied by refueling craft, intelligence planes, and more in the air on every mission, its really a lower intensity air campaign compared to the higher/boots on the ground one in Iraq, even though we have spent nearly $1B.  But yea, that one battle in that one part of the region will most likely not be supported by airstrikes (at least to a higher capacity), as you need boots on the ground to verify those strikes, otherwise you could end up bombing civilians or allied troops; again not to mention the airstrikes spanning the entire region.  At this rate from the 1600 or so already on the ground (US), they will need more boots on the ground if they want to start a higher intensity campaign that actually weakens ISIS (we studying this in my ROTC class  ;D)

karth I  did not know your in ROTC. So am I by the way however I am an MSL1 so not very far in it.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on October 04, 2014, 01:30:01 am
Spoiler
There are a lot of countries on paper, but the active military fighter jets and bombers is actually quite small, when you compare the size of the targets all the way from Baghdad to Aleppo.  You also have to realize that with every Hornet, F-22 Raptor, B-1 Lancer, etc.. they are all accompanied by refueling craft, intelligence planes, and more in the air on every mission, its really a lower intensity air campaign compared to the higher/boots on the ground one in Iraq, even though we have spent nearly $1B.  But yea, that one battle in that one part of the region will most likely not be supported by airstrikes (at least to a higher capacity), as you need boots on the ground to verify those strikes, otherwise you could end up bombing civilians or allied troops; again not to mention the airstrikes spanning the entire region.  At this rate from the 1600 or so already on the ground (US), they will need more boots on the ground if they want to start a higher intensity campaign that actually weakens ISIS (we studying this in my ROTC class  ;D)
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karth I  did not know your in ROTC. So am I by the way however I am an MSL1 so not very far in it.

Off topic reply but yea im an AS300 Cadet in the Air Force ROTC (junior year uni), I passed by medical/physical exams for flight school, studying hard for the TBAS and qualifying test.  We like discussing current stuff in my aerospace class.  Army ROTC bit different but good luck non-the less, programs are very fun!
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on October 04, 2014, 05:07:52 am
I want a qt kurdish fighter
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.egeve.com%2Fen%2Fimages%2Fstories%2F1673.jpg&hash=281deb9acd29dcd2d1c0fa22b8efd522428e0a63)
Battalions upon Battalions of ISIS soldiers along with tanks entered into the city of Kobane today and not a single piece of western support in sight.
Zero help for the Kurds of Kobane is given because they espouse Communalism instead of Capitalism. Apparently letting them be massacred by ISIS is far more preferable than letting an alternative to Capitalism exist.

Fuck the US, Fuck the West, Fuck anybody who says this is a "humanitarian mission" to stop ISIS. Kobane shows this is all a lie.
what the fuck am I reading? What, do you teleport the soldiers to kobane to defend them, or have you no sense of logistics. hell, doth thou even think? And as Kim said earlier, if the reason is because 'capitalism' is full of pride where were the 'communist' allies? I've legit heard better statements from ancaps.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 04, 2014, 09:59:53 am
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what the fuck am I reading? What, do you teleport the soldiers to kobane to defend them, or have you no sense of logistics. hell, doth thou even think? And as Kim said earlier, if the reason is because 'capitalism' is full of pride where were the 'communist' allies? I've legit heard better statements from ancaps.
So you think that it would be ok for Cuba to send its army helping the Kurds against ISIS, and at the same time establish a socialist Kurdistan? Seriously?  ;D
Oh they could do that, no matter how far they are from Syia. They did it for Angola, so why not Syria? But, I wonder what the US and Turkey would think about that.  ::)
Turkey however is right on the Syrian border. Their troops observe the situation from their watchtowers. So what's the problem with their logistics?
They will intervene eventually, but if the PKK is routed before that, all the better!
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Gizmo on October 04, 2014, 02:08:48 pm
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Turkish Parliament OKs Fight Against Islamic State Militants

by EYDER PERALTA

October 02, 2014 1:59 PM ET

By a large margin on Thursday, Turkish lawmakers approved military action against Islamic State militants.

Until now, Turkey, a member of NATO, had remained out of a broad coalition waging a war against radical Sunni militants in Iraq and Syria.

The BBC reports:

"The motion was passed with 298 MPs in favour and 98 against.
"Turkey had been unwilling to fight IS militants because they were holding 46 Turkish hostages - but they were released last month.
"Turkey is also wary of retaliation by IS and fears helping the Kurds who are fighting the militants."
As The Wall Street Journal reports, this vote comes as Islamic State fighters were pushing closer to the Turkish border, pushing a huge number of refugees into Turkey.

The Journal says Turkey isn't expected to send ground troops or start bombing any time soon, because Ankara is waiting to secure an "agreement of a U.S.-backed no-fly zone in northern Syria."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/02/353272925/turkish-parliament-oks-fight-against-islamic-state-militants?

The thing is, Turkey is still blocking Kurds due to their animosity with the PKK.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 04, 2014, 04:17:42 pm
Oh a no-fly zone in northern Syria? What do they fear? Terrorist planes? Or do they fear Bachar?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 04, 2014, 05:20:43 pm
It jsut gives them the right to explosively buttfuck anyone who will pose a threat to their forces. It's just a safety measure, I'd assume.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 04, 2014, 06:48:36 pm
Controlled by: The Syrian Government
Controlled by: Kurdish Forces
Controlled by: The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Controlled by: Other Rebels
Controlled by: Illegal Zionist Forces
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F8%2F88%2FSyrian_civil_war.png&hash=885414be3b4f652bdfdddf4cbfff5e9ab4afbaa0)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.awsm.com%2Fimg%2F2010%2Fvladimir-putin-riding-bear.jpg&hash=122116d60a6d0ea694ef32f08042c1634bed2c9c)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on October 04, 2014, 06:49:14 pm
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what the fuck am I reading? What, do you teleport the soldiers to kobane to defend them, or have you no sense of logistics. hell, doth thou even think? And as Kim said earlier, if the reason is because 'capitalism' is full of pride where were the 'communist' allies? I've legit heard better statements from ancaps.
So you think that it would be ok for Cuba to send its army helping the Kurds against ISIS, and at the same time establish a socialist Kurdistan? Seriously?.
I don't remember any of this being in what I said, what I said was, which was in the post you quoted "if the reason is because 'capitalism' is full of pride where were the 'communist' allies?". Let me explain to you what that statement means, if USA isn't helping a country over some trivial cold war matter like market ideology, then wouldn't that stimulate help from marxist states like China or Cuba? But that's implying that the world still actually gives a shit about capitalism vs communism, which everyone stopped giving a shit in 1991.
Turkey however is right on the Syrian border. Their troops observe the situation from their watchtowers. So what's the problem with their logistics?
They will intervene eventually, but if the PKK is routed before that, all the better!
Turkey is anti-kurds, the middle east isn't some good guy vs bad guy bullshit, or side vs side, everyone has complicated ties with each other, you can't just think to yourself the common American idea of "oh if I just support these guys everything will fix it self" since it will just stimulate all of the opposition, and at the same time the opposition to America hates each other so it stimulates more fighting between them.

I get the feeling critical thinking is a rare attribute around here.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 04, 2014, 06:56:04 pm
I get the feeling critical thinking is a rare attribute around here.
Niuuuu I only give a fuck about kurds because of their communist ideology. Let me call you out on your lack of morality for not doing the same!!! Stupid West! ~Auggy~

Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 04, 2014, 06:58:18 pm
Controlled by: The Syrian Government
Controlled by: Kurdish Forces
Controlled by: The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Controlled by: Other Rebels
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F8%2F88%2FSyrian_civil_war.png&hash=885414be3b4f652bdfdddf4cbfff5e9ab4afbaa0)
Holy Fucking Shit. They do control a lot of territory.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 04, 2014, 06:59:17 pm
Most of that territory is sparsely populated. It's like Canada, big at a glance but small when it comes to population.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 04, 2014, 07:02:16 pm
Most of that territory is sparsely populated. It's like Canada, big at a glance but small when it comes to population.

This is true and I'm no expert on this precise geographical region but is there no military equipment or resources like oil in the north east??? Just curious.

I also wanted to point out how the ISIS forces basically are lined up at the Euphrates river.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 04, 2014, 07:04:22 pm
I can't honestly say. Syria seems to have more natural gas than Oil, but I think that stuff is mainly under government control.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 04, 2014, 07:06:25 pm
Islamic State in Iraq and Sham (ISIS) insurgents have made it known that they intend to spread their control along the Euphrates River in Iraq and Syria as well as dominate oil fields of both countries.

http://www.aina.org/news/20140710030822.htm

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/02/water-key-conflict-iraq-syria-isis
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 04, 2014, 07:13:29 pm
Aparently they've also got designs on Lebanon, Jordan and Israel. No wonder they're other moniker's ISIL
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 04, 2014, 08:10:37 pm
Conquer Israel

The caliphate shall rule supreme

Allalalalalalalalalalallalala
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on October 04, 2014, 09:18:07 pm
Aparently they've also got designs on Lebanon, Jordan and Israel. No wonder they're other moniker's ISIL

If their future plans come to fruition, then it can be Islamic State in America and Europe.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 05, 2014, 10:49:00 pm
Turkey has agreed to help. ISIS be fucked now. If Turkey lives up to what they can do, the Kurds are going to be relieved a lot faster.
Turkey Is doing their shit good, as well, even though it all seems like some butt-lickery towards the Kurds and West.
Deplying vast lines of artillery on the border, [utting in no fly zones above refugee camp, helping people who fled Iraq, bombarding as well and taking it to the ISIS-fighters on th ground. Finally some country is really doing some shit.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 06, 2014, 01:19:49 am
After helping the terrorists they are fighting them?  ::)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on October 06, 2014, 03:49:53 am
This is old but funny, a kid in my reg was actually threatened by IS from multiple twitter accounts.

Spoiler
https://i.imgur.com/KoiAppx.png
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 06, 2014, 04:14:54 am
This is old but funny, a kid in my reg was actually threatened by IS from multiple twitter accounts.

Spoiler
https://i.imgur.com/KoiAppx.png
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Is this real?  :o
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on October 06, 2014, 04:33:56 am
This is old but funny, a kid in my reg was actually threatened by IS from multiple twitter accounts.

Spoiler
https://i.imgur.com/KoiAppx.png
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Is this real?  :o

Yea he has it from the official IS account too, he reported it to Twitter and twitter banned them all, it was all over twitter late June I believe. 
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on October 06, 2014, 08:08:29 am
Shalom darkies
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 06, 2014, 08:51:34 am
After helping the terrorists they are fighting them?  ::)

Please, who saw this coming? It's the same with Al-qaeda, who were supperted by the US, it just got grossly out of hand.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 06, 2014, 08:54:31 am
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2F34j7nfl.jpg&hash=3974df2c81967261be5d219ea09137d62e189bbe)
ISIS  -  The Nazi Link Confirmed? :P
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29052144
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on October 06, 2014, 09:13:19 am
the jews aren't safe anymore
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 06, 2014, 10:47:58 am
They mostly follow the main watercourses, Tigris and Euphrates. Like rats.

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Please, who saw this coming?
I did. I'm sorry but you don't have to be a genius to understand that when you destroy a whole country like Syria, when a peaceful country becomes a theatre of war, when jihadists from all over the world join a so-called rebellion and start beheading people, killing priests and organizing suicide attacks in Damascus (and that was NOT done by ISIS but by their "moderate" friends from Al-Nusra/Al-Qaeda), then obviously, something like ISIS might happen. And Turkey funded the jihadists in Syria and gave them a safe heaven because of their rabid hatred for the Syrian government. This is unforgivable.

And the West won't fight ISIS with all they have for a quite simple reason: they don't want Mr Assad to win the war. So they will fight ISIS, but not too much, and not without arming and funding the "moderate opposition" (Luke Skywalker was from the "moderate opposition" too, this is well known), i.e. continuing the same mistakes that gave birth to terrorism in Syria, and ISIS.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 06, 2014, 03:14:17 pm
An ISIS banner is now fluttering over a Kobane building, and Turkish tanks still have their guns pointed at Kobane, just standing there.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 06, 2014, 04:42:17 pm
They mostly follow the main watercourses, Tigris and Euphrates. Like rats.

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Please, who saw this coming?
I did. I'm sorry but you don't have to be a genius to understand that when you destroy a whole country like Syria, when a peaceful country becomes a theatre of war, when jihadists from all over the world join a so-called rebellion and start beheading people, killing priests and organizing suicide attacks in Damascus (and that was NOT done by ISIS but by their "moderate" friends from Al-Nusra/Al-Qaeda), then obviously, something like ISIS might happen. And Turkey funded the jihadists in Syria and gave them a safe heaven because of their rabid hatred for the Syrian government. This is unforgivable.

And the West won't fight ISIS with all they have for a quite simple reason: they don't want Mr Assad to win the war. So they will fight ISIS, but not too much, and not without arming and funding the "moderate opposition" (Luke Skywalker was from the "moderate opposition" too, this is well known), i.e. continuing the same mistakes that gave birth to terrorism in Syria, and ISIS.

So you could foretell the extreme expansion of a jihadist smalltime group, to conquer and bring to its knees an entire state, capture oil refineries and form a funtioning state with the Sharia as the law, all the while beheading humanitarian personnel and declaring war on the POpe?
How much do you charge per hour? I could use someone like you.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 06, 2014, 05:05:03 pm
Hindsight is 20/20. However one must be careful to not let it cloud his memory regarding his personal understanding.

Max, it's easy to say you saw what was coming, but I'm not sure how true that can be. Isis has done things that far surpassed the expectations of any observers. Was something of this magnitude bound to happen? Probably. Could we have ever predicted the exact circumstances and true scope of these events? Definitely not. They probably could have been avoided, but again, it's easy to say a lot of things that should have happened, looking back after things had already come to pass.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 06, 2014, 05:46:49 pm
Well, I also remember a lot of people throughout the world stating:

We must support the opposers of the Assad regime! Send them weapons, send them money, Assad must fall.

Well, the governements are there to serve, and so they did. See where that got ya.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 06, 2014, 08:52:20 pm
They mostly follow the main watercourses, Tigris and Euphrates. Like rats.

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Please, who saw this coming?
I did. I'm sorry but you don't have to be a genius to understand that when you destroy a whole country like Syria, when a peaceful country becomes a theatre of war, when jihadists from all over the world join a so-called rebellion and start beheading people, killing priests and organizing suicide attacks in Damascus (and that was NOT done by ISIS but by their "moderate" friends from Al-Nusra/Al-Qaeda), then obviously, something like ISIS might happen. And Turkey funded the jihadists in Syria and gave them a safe heaven because of their rabid hatred for the Syrian government. This is unforgivable.

And the West won't fight ISIS with all they have for a quite simple reason: they don't want Mr Assad to win the war. So they will fight ISIS, but not too much, and not without arming and funding the "moderate opposition" (Luke Skywalker was from the "moderate opposition" too, this is well known), i.e. continuing the same mistakes that gave birth to terrorism in Syria, and ISIS.

So you could foretell the extreme expansion of a jihadist smalltime group, to conquer and bring to its knees an entire state, capture oil refineries and form a funtioning state with the Sharia as the law, all the while beheading humanitarian personnel and declaring war on the POpe?
How much do you charge per hour? I could use someone like you.

Hindsight is 20/20. However one must be careful to not let it cloud his memory regarding his personal understanding.

Max, it's easy to say you saw what was coming, but I'm not sure how true that can be. Isis has done things that far surpassed the expectations of any observers. Was something of this magnitude bound to happen? Probably. Could we have ever predicted the exact circumstances and true scope of these events? Definitely not. They probably could have been avoided, but again, it's easy to say a lot of things that should have happened, looking back after things had already come to pass.

Imagine if he used his powers to for-tell the future instead of telling us how he could predict the past.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 06, 2014, 09:03:00 pm
The previous Norwegian PM, now NATO boss, is going to visit Turkey to talk about how to fight ISIS. Should probably ask why the Turks keep sending them weapons instead.

But then again these fuckers are all on the same page.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 06, 2014, 09:05:31 pm
The previous Norwegian PM, now NATO boss, is going to visit Turkey to talk about how to fight ISIS. Should probably ask why the Turks keep sending them weapons instead.

But then again these fuckers are all on the same page.

Uhuh, that's why Turkey's deployed ground forces to battle them. To give them weapons... That's some logic.
Honostly, I admire the Kurdish and Turkish ground forces. You constantly are in the risk of getting captured by ISIS. That's even worse than dying while in a fight. Holy shit.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 06, 2014, 09:14:02 pm
Its a dirty war, riddlez.

"Kobani is surrounded on all sides.Now they also attack from the “turkish side” of course with support of turkey.

Why? In the recent months the Kurdish folk in Rojava/Westernkurdistan (Northern Syria) has created a Autonomy just like in Northern Iraq. Turkey fears an independent Kurdistan and tried everything to prevent it. They supply weapons, amored vehicles &Tanks to ISIS and treating their injured in turkish hospitals. Let them freely across the borders while the Turkish police and the military use water cannons, tear gas and sharp ammunition against the Kurdish population, these have protesting at the border and want to get their relatives in Kobani to help.

They want to build a”Buffer zone” and no-fly zone. In a published record of a secret meeting at the State Department, there was already a discussion in March about how to perform a staged operation in Syria to have a justification for war. It was discussed to imputable ISIS attacks on a legally valid as Turkish territory Osman grave in northern Syria or shelling Turkish territory with rockets by Turkish agents.
Hakan Fidan, intelligence chief said in the published on 27/03/14 recorded conversation:
“If necessary, I can send 4 men to Syria and can fire eight missiles on Turkey to create a reason for war.”

The so-called safety zone should be coupled with a no-fly zone to media reports suggest. ISIS has no helicopters, fighter jets or other missile. This is a pretext for Turkey to occupy Western Kurdistan & Syria and to prevent a Free Kurdistan.

More here:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2014/06/more-on-turkish-support-for-isis

We want that the people know, that turkey is the offender, the mother of ISIS and a Terrorstate which has killed millions of Lives - In the past and Present.

Fuck TurkISIS
Free Kurdistan
Long live the Kurdish Resistance!"

Taken from http://bijikurdistan.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on October 06, 2014, 09:24:42 pm
When the fuck is war "clean".
It's about fucking killing people it will never be not dirty.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 06, 2014, 09:55:28 pm
When the fuck is war "clean".
It's about fucking killing people it will never be not dirty.
A "Clean" War is when the proletariat rise up against the bourgeios in order to realise the potential of the working class and overthrow the tyrants who have been exploiting and abusing them for so long. :P
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Alpharion on October 06, 2014, 09:56:09 pm
Better dead than red.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 06, 2014, 09:57:31 pm
Better dead than red.
+1
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 06, 2014, 10:00:19 pm
Better dead than red black.

There we go.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 06, 2014, 10:08:31 pm
Better dead than red black.

There we go.

Yeah, I think being black would be pretty fucking awful. God forbid.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 06, 2014, 10:13:02 pm
I mean Fascism but alright.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 06, 2014, 10:14:17 pm
@Riddlez, Nipplestockings,
I'm not Nostradamus and I couldn't "predict" everything with all the details, especially that some idiot would create a "caliphate". However when this shit started, you could already see (not on CNN of course):

- That the so-called "moderate opposition" was in fact mostly islamic, such as McCain's friends.
- That the most "moderate" rebels were foreign-supported (e.g. Manaf Tlass working for the French), foreign-based and foreign-funded with no actual influence on the ground.
- That the actual "moderate opposition", mostly secular, and mostly based in Damascus, refused to take up arms.
- That Bachar al-Assad had a strong support amongst the population, and especially in the main towns, and of course from Russia.
- That the best organized rebel forces were islamic forces, and especially the Al Nusra Front when it was not yet the official branch of Al Qaeda in Syria.

So anyone could understand that this war wouldn't result in the fast defeat of Bachar and his replacement by democratic forces, and the subsequent installation of NATO bases, but rather a long war between the secular government of Mr Assad and jihadist forces supported by the west. That's what we could understand in 2011 already.

Now when you saw that the Al Nusra front became the official branch of Al Qaeda in Syria but that the US government, which supposedely suffered so much in 2001, kept supporting the rebels and said nothing against Al Nusra, you could also understand that the terrorist threat would simply worsen.

And finally, when the first conflicts between Al Nusra (& friends) and ISIS started, you could also understand that ISIS was a very well organized force, and that this alone explained its victories in Syria against other rebel groups. So of course that wasn't enough to believe that they would wipe out in a few days the Iraqi army, but that was enough to understand the magnitude of the threat. And did we need more?

Edit: I forgot to stress that we also had the example of Libya, so reproducing the same shit in Syria was stupid.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: SherlockCat on October 06, 2014, 10:21:42 pm
I mean Fascism but alright.
Black actually relates to anarchism not fascism, I don't think fascism has a colour.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 06, 2014, 10:26:38 pm
I remember reading something about Black flags being used to symbolize Fascism also. Anarchy seems to be colorless.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 06, 2014, 10:34:53 pm
The black flag is intended to signify the absence of a flag or national colours. Black is the absence of a flag. Also, opposite of white, therefore standing for resistance and resiliency.
Red for the spilled blood of people fighting for freedom. The red flag is just a traditional revolutionary symbol from the French Revolution.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: SherlockCat on October 06, 2014, 10:35:48 pm
I remember reading something about Black flags being used to symbolize Fascism also. Anarchy seems to be colorless.
The use of colours to denote certain political groups comes from Russian revolution, and during that the anarchist groups operated under the umbrella title of the black guards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Guards Wikipedia article on it.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 06, 2014, 10:39:50 pm
Hm. Need to find out Fascist colors then...

My point was I'd rather be a Communist or a Fascist. Or maybe take option #3 with the one in the chamber.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: SherlockCat on October 06, 2014, 10:43:22 pm
Hm. Need to find out Fascist colors then...

My point was I'd rather be a Communist or a Fascist. Or maybe take option #3 with the one in the chamber.
The fascist colour is brown, due to the Nazi's use of brown shirts.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 06, 2014, 10:45:45 pm
Interesting piece on the Kurds and the factions within, some of you will get their jimmies rustled as always because of the website but i do emplore you lads to bear with it and just mull it the fuck over.

http://c4ss.org/content/31077
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 06, 2014, 10:52:34 pm
Hm. Need to find out Fascist colors then...

My point was I'd rather be a Communist or a Fascist. Or maybe take option #3 with the one in the chamber.
The fascist colour is brown, due to the Nazi's use of brown shirts.

But the Italians used Black Shirts.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: SherlockCat on October 06, 2014, 10:53:52 pm
Hm. Need to find out Fascist colors then...

My point was I'd rather be a Communist or a Fascist. Or maybe take option #3 with the one in the chamber.
The fascist colour is brown, due to the Nazi's use of brown shirts.

But the Italians used Black Shirts.
The Italians never had a holocaust so Fascism was never as closely associated to it as it was to Germany.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 06, 2014, 10:59:11 pm
But the Germans were National Socialists, not de-facto Fascists. A better comparison would be with say, Spain or Portugal.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: SherlockCat on October 06, 2014, 11:09:49 pm
They might not be true fascists but they're still closely linked with it, hence the fascist colour is brown.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 06, 2014, 11:12:20 pm
But you're still associating brown with Fascism due to a singular nation.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 06, 2014, 11:13:39 pm
Fascism isn't really a single phenomenon. It can broadly be separated into corporatism and extreme nationalism. The former tends to use the latter, but they represent two distinct phenomena that can both be properly termed fascism.

Fascism is a reactionairy totalitarian political system that attempts to preserve capitalism within a new social structure. It aims to end class struggle through the absorption of class struggle into the supremacy of the nation state, redirecting it outwards. Like Italy going after Abbysinia and nations within their "Mare Nostrum" fantasy and the Nazi's with their Greater Germany etc.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: SherlockCat on October 06, 2014, 11:13:43 pm
But you're still associating brown with Fascism due to a singular nation.
A singular nation that conquered most of central Europe.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Gizmo on October 06, 2014, 11:33:35 pm
You're getting waaaayyy out of topic there.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 06, 2014, 11:42:48 pm
Interesting piece on the Kurds and the factions within, some of you will get their jimmies rustled as always because of the website but i do emplore you lads to bear with it and just mull it the fuck over.

http://c4ss.org/content/31077

politically aligned sources are fine when not attempting to push political ideals.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 07, 2014, 02:24:29 pm
Guys, why don't we all return to the topic at hand and decide somewhere else which colour we are going to give to which certain group of idiots.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 07, 2014, 02:38:22 pm
So who thinks Turkey will actually come and rescue Kobane?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 07, 2014, 02:50:02 pm
They are waiting for Daesh to finish off the Kurds and then they will sweep in... I still have hope for the Kurds though, they are great fighters with a righteous cause and terrain in their favour.

Kobane will be IS's Stalingrad.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 07, 2014, 03:01:24 pm
They are waiting for Daesh to finish off the Kurds and then they will sweep in... I still have hope for the Kurds though, they are great fighters with a righteous cause and terrain in their favour.

Kobane will be IS's Stalingrad.

If I recall the Kurdish YPG commander in Kobane said that once Daesh enters the city, they would be defeated because of the Kurdish superior street fighting capability.

I agree on the Stalingrad remark tho.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 07, 2014, 03:36:16 pm
Yes, the Kurds, from what I have gathered are superior guerillas. As the Kurdish commander stated: IS will have no use of their heavy weapons once they are in Kobani. It will be a gruesome CQB. I think Black Hawk down gives a good indication of how it can be.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 07, 2014, 07:08:54 pm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-islamic-state-opens-its-first-consulate-in-turkeys-capital-issuing-visas-to-foreign-fighters/5405811
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Gizmo on October 07, 2014, 07:10:27 pm
Turkey should be sanctioned. Like getting kicked out of NATO or something, because I have to admit they truly disgust me.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 08, 2014, 06:12:46 am
I'm wondering how countries like Georgia and Armenia are reacting to IS.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: JohannGustavsen on October 08, 2014, 06:36:17 am
I believe that they are already loving this whole ISIS/ISIL thing, they sound like a real help bunch *totally sarcastic*
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 08, 2014, 08:36:25 am
Turkey should be sanctioned. Like getting kicked out of NATO or something, because I have to admit they truly disgust me.
^
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 08, 2014, 05:34:59 pm
a surprisingly enlightening writeup on Rojava that's managed to sneak into a mainstream media outlet.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/08/why-world-ignoring-revolutionary-kurds-syria-isis
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 08, 2014, 05:37:21 pm
a surprisingly enlightening writeup on Rojava that's managed to sneak into a mainstream media outlet.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/08/why-world-ignoring-revolutionary-kurds-syria-isis
Surprisingly, a feature article, published in the Guardian. Noice
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on October 08, 2014, 07:37:43 pm
I'm wondering how countries like Georgia and Armenia are reacting to IS.

As long as IS soldiers can't cross mountains, I think they're content.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: JohannGustavsen on October 09, 2014, 04:18:07 am
Americans prepare for the trans Mexico ISIS invasion! The day of reckoning is upon us
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 09, 2014, 05:15:37 am
"They should get kicked out of NATO"

Implying NATO isn't supporting Turkish position.

Implying NATO is something like the UN.



Get over it. No one cares about Kurds if Kurds dont have much to offer.
Such is this world.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Menelaos on October 09, 2014, 05:52:42 am
You forgot to use the meme arrows with the implication statements.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 09, 2014, 06:30:54 am
Da
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 09, 2014, 06:43:24 am
You forgot to use the meme arrows with the implication statements.

You post much better when you don't actually talk about the politics. +1
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 09, 2014, 10:04:01 am
You forgot to use the meme arrows with the implication statements.

You post much better when you don't actually talk about the politics. +1

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mememaker.net%2Fstatic%2Fimages%2Fmemes%2F3552967.jpg&hash=7ae695c42814c37ee9535d9ca793431e8377801a)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 09, 2014, 10:16:49 am
YES! That's all I ever wanted! Thank you!
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 09, 2014, 12:56:49 pm
A Kurd in a pepper field witnessing a B1 Lancer striking ISIS during some fighting in or around Kobane. I thought some of you would enjoy the pepper field man.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-guy-just-livetweeted-airstrikes-in-syria-from-the-1643512941/1643583000/+travis


and my personal favorite: https://twitter.com/cahitstorm/status/520163212810260481
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: JohannGustavsen on October 09, 2014, 11:57:34 pm
I have to say the best video of ISIS is when the airstrike destroys the arty as the man says what every Islamic terrorist says "Allahu Akbar".
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 13, 2014, 03:39:31 pm
http://www.channel4.com/news/turkey-kurdish-islamic-state-kobani-taksim-anarchists-kurds
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 13, 2014, 03:58:17 pm
Oh look, it's the exact same photos.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Hugonaut on October 14, 2014, 07:05:07 am
http://www.dumpert.nl/embed/6620814/608bc6f8
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 14, 2014, 12:51:47 pm
It's just disgusting to see that Erdogan, who hasn't done anything against ISIS, is now bombing the Kurdish PKK.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 14, 2014, 01:19:05 pm
GG Turks bombing the PKK
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on October 14, 2014, 02:47:55 pm
GG Turks bombing the PKK
They do this because the PKK are terrorists. Unlike Pakistani children that get bombed by the USA or Palestinian children that get bombed by Israel.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 14, 2014, 02:53:47 pm
GG Turks bombing the PKK
They do this because the PKK are terrorists. Unlike Pakistani children that get bombed by the USA or Palestinian children that get bombed by Israel.

Whether or not they are terrorists is debatable. In the end they are fighting the real terrorists and are being attacked by Turkey at the same time.

Turkey bombs the Workers Party, but doesn't bomb Daesh. See the issue?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on October 14, 2014, 03:04:38 pm
The PKK is in Turkey, ISIS isn't. And Turkey uses it's military only in the own land how civilized countries should do.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 14, 2014, 03:13:01 pm
The word 'terrorist' really doesn't have a true definition and is used pretty much always just to discredit the enemy.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on October 14, 2014, 03:14:52 pm
I think if they work actively against the Turkish government the Turks may do what they want as long as they do it in Turkey.

Believe me, I'm not a friend of the Turkish government, but in this point I don't see any misguided actions from it.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 14, 2014, 04:13:52 pm
Well, considering that Turkey actually promised them independence and then acted like they never did, maybe the Kurds have reason to be annoyed at them.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 14, 2014, 05:59:16 pm
They were in the peace process anyway..
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 14, 2014, 07:55:41 pm
http://roarmag.org/2014/10/turkey-kurdistan-democratic-autonomy/
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Frederik on October 15, 2014, 01:15:56 am
I think if they work actively against the Turkish government the Turks may do what they want as long as they do it in Turkey.

Believe me, I'm not a friend of the Turkish government, but in this point I don't see any misguided actions from it.
In a democracy, you dont have to follow everything your gouvernent says.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 15, 2014, 01:16:30 am
I think if they work actively against the Turkish government the Turks may do what they want as long as they do it in Turkey.

Believe me, I'm not a friend of the Turkish government, but in this point I don't see any misguided actions from it.
In a democracy, you dont have to follow everything your gouvernent says.

What kind of democracy do YOU live in?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on October 15, 2014, 02:35:37 am
I think if they work actively against the Turkish government the Turks may do what they want as long as they do it in Turkey.

Believe me, I'm not a friend of the Turkish government, but in this point I don't see any misguided actions from it.
In a democracy, you dont have to follow everything your gouvernent says.

Explain how voting on legislation or for representatives has anything to do with following or not following the rules.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 15, 2014, 05:47:44 am
Plot twist, the Turkish Military near the border are secretly Isis members
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 15, 2014, 02:55:37 pm
I wonder how the PKK could be "terrorist" since they abandoned armed struggle against the Turkish government in 2013. If the PKK is a terrorist organization, then the Turkish government is a terrorist government. The PKK is actively struggling against ISIS, and the Turkish government is actively struggling against the PKK. So who is the terrorist there ?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 15, 2014, 03:00:50 pm
They simply can't allow the PKK alternative to a state and capitalism to exist... They know it works and are merely protecting their authority and "right" to govern. They dont want to see Libertarian Socialism to function, especially on a national level.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 15, 2014, 10:37:48 pm
Or maybe they don't want Kurdistan to become independant and take a good part of their country with it.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 16, 2014, 10:35:56 pm
Daesh has been pushed back to the outskirts of Kobane.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 17, 2014, 05:19:47 am
beware
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 17, 2014, 11:10:23 am
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweknowmemes.com%2Fgenerator%2Fuploads%2Fgenerated%2Fg1378463402546044668.jpg&hash=5645f4330ac578f5cc7076080ee4b27e2ed133f5)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 17, 2014, 01:28:56 pm
The Dutch sold the gas to Saddam that was used on them..... but making mu monies on other peoples misfortune is freedom!
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 17, 2014, 01:59:15 pm
The Dutch sold the gas to Saddam that was used on them..... but making mu monies on other peoples misfortune is freedom!

And the Europeans (Mainly the French) and Americans made him chemical warheads in the 80's.

JUST ADDING TO THE DISCUSSION LADS
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 17, 2014, 02:00:02 pm
The Dutch sold the gas to Saddam that was used on them..... but making mu monies on other peoples misfortune is freedom!

The only gas the Dutch have is methane. Unless you want to accuse the Dutch of wasting valuable gas, you're pretty fucked up. Or both.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on October 17, 2014, 02:26:12 pm
Solution to ISIS: Put Obama and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Dr. Phil
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 17, 2014, 04:58:14 pm
The only gas the Dutch have is methane. Unless you want to accuse the Dutch of wasting valuable gas, you're pretty fucked up. Or both.

A Dutchman by the name of Frans van Anraat supplied them the chemicals to make mustardgas and nervegas. He got paid big dollars.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on October 17, 2014, 05:07:35 pm
A Dutchman ≠ all of the Netherlands
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 17, 2014, 05:15:32 pm
You misunderstand, i'm saying people do anything for a profit.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 17, 2014, 05:15:58 pm
A Dutchman ≠ all of the Netherlands
This.
When you say "The Dutch" you implicate the nation, in this case meaning the government, which is a blatant lie. It's like saying "FSE agree with me" when I actually mean that one person who uses these forums agree with whatever position I'm trying to argue.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 17, 2014, 05:54:03 pm
The only gas the Dutch have is methane. Unless you want to accuse the Dutch of wasting valuable gas, you're pretty fucked up. Or both.

A Dutchman by the name of Frans van Anraat supplied them the chemicals to make mustardgas and nervegas. He got paid big dollars.

Just the fact that you don't believe in 'the state', doesn't mean one person represents the entire nation, so you can't really mention a single person as the nation.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 17, 2014, 06:02:59 pm
Not like we aren't used to ridiculous generalizations by Augy.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on October 17, 2014, 06:48:27 pm
Not like we aren't used to ridiculous generalizations by Augy.

I've learned to ignore his anarcho-syndicalist ramblings.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on October 17, 2014, 07:26:40 pm
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With the support of the US government, according to archive evidences.  ;D

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The Dutch sold the gas to Saddam that was used on them..... but making mu monies on other peoples misfortune is freedom!
Actually the shells were American while the gas was mostly made from German products. I don't know if the Dutch sold anything. The French also sold stuff to Saddam, but that's well known.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 18, 2014, 12:06:11 am
To be fair Augy implicated that it was the nations responsibility to deny a Dutch man from providing those things to Saddam. At least that's what I understood. Hopefully he can confirm this. He did make a nice little side comment about the muh freedoms. Which helped clearing things.

I think we have developed prejudice about his comments and what they imply because of his previous similar posts and his deep love for anarchy like other non capitalist things lel.

Augy is Augy still hes cool.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 18, 2014, 12:13:27 am
Just because a man is born with the Dutch neutrality doesn't mean he's always going to be under the (reach of) Dutch Jurisdictional system. It's just stupid to say 'The Dutch', implying that it's the nation of the Netherlands as one would say 'The Americans did this' or 'The Germans did that', when it goes about one single person, especially as his nationality is entirely irrelevant within this case.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 18, 2014, 01:16:01 am
Just because a man is born with the Dutch neutrality doesn't mean he's always going to be under the (reach of) Dutch Jurisdictional system. It's just stupid to say 'The Dutch', implying that it's the nation of the Netherlands as one would say 'The Americans did this' or 'The Germans did that', when it goes about one single person, especially as his nationality is entirely irrelevant within this case.

We know this you capitalist Ukraine Imperialist pig lower then a street dog. We will mercilessly crush you with the weapon of singlehearted unity!You politically illiterate flunky, you are sadly mistaken if you think you can browbeat the people!

I'm pretty sure that Augy meant that the dutch government would be held accountable in his perfect world. Not saying it's ok either. Just his vision.
In the case of Americans it's always 100% correct to say "The Americans did this" always.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 18, 2014, 11:21:17 am
Of course, Augy just wished to have another reason to spit his hatred of a democratically elected government. In his perfect world where no-one holds legal violence, no-one could be held accountable when they sell gas to murder people.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 18, 2014, 11:40:53 am
Haha jeez Duuring, i don't support that stuff at all. What i'm saying about the Dutch guy is that he was a capitalist bussinessman that made money of genocide. Not directly questioning the dutch state in this case, the mindset of the guy is totally on par with the dutch economic vision though or any capitalist country for that matter.

Saddam gassed the Kurds, he wasnt going against the west yet until Kuwait. He wasnt seen as a terrorist country for quite awhile so it was fine to make money off them... Hell, George Bush Sr thought Saddam was a swell guy till Kuwait.

"US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks."

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran

Theres no reason to gas people in a world where no one owns the lands and power over other people, lets see Chomsky try to teach that to a dutch politician... but hey, the politician runs away with the tail between his legs because he lacks dialectic and analytic thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47nmBSNjkNs
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 18, 2014, 12:05:27 pm
Jeez Augy, why can't you just admit that you shouldn't have used a generalization? Besides, I fail to see how any trough your beloved Anarchist system, people would not make an effort to get profit, as it benefits them. No-one stops them, as there is no-one above them. Syndo-anarchism sounds pretty capitalist to me.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 18, 2014, 12:09:19 pm
Please define capitalism.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 18, 2014, 12:12:32 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism Definitely Augy's fav political system :D
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 18, 2014, 12:15:53 pm
In all its simplicity, it's making a profit. As you have said so, so, soooo many times before, you just want democratizing of workplaces, no central government, bladieblabla, which, in effect, would lead to these 'democratized workplaces' being able to do as they want. Sure, Anarchists believe that they would never do anything bad as they are free from oppression and have 'an equal share', but truth be told, why won't 100 people do the exact same thing 1 person does, if it benefits them?

Libertarianism is possibly the worst use of the word 'liberty', as in a libertarian society you are barely free to do anything as private property is sacred above everything.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 18, 2014, 12:32:48 pm
Big wall of somewhat off-topic text incoming.
Here's an update on the Kobane defence: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/world/article/kurdish-forces-stay-in-kobani-as-battle-enters-second-month

Libertarianism is possibly the worst use of the word 'liberty', as in a libertarian society you are barely free to do anything as private property is sacred above everything.

You're corect here.
Right Libertarianism or "Anarcho"-capitalism is a joke, it really is nothing more than laissez-faire liberalism. What keeps the production owners from setting up a new state to ensure their mastery? Power corrupts, and it doesn't matter whether that power comes from government control or from money.

Selfishness is not a virtue. It makes you an asshole to be avoided if you are only looking to take advantage of others.

Ironically, money only has as much power as it does because of government control: If the government weren't around to protect property rights (i.e., "enforce a very specific distribution of resources"), then capitalism and the state would fail.

Anarcho-capitalism is basically identical to a dictatorship. Each land owner is his own dictator over his own little country.

I am of the opinion that federated left libertarian municipalism will allow for political experimentation for different political/economic systems ranging from gift economies to community efforts.

The amount of self-sufficiency obviously ranges from individual to individual and as long as no one is "hogging" any particular resource or accumulation of wealth from the community. The effectiveness of all them appear to me feasible and more desirable than the current experimentation we have with State-based systems (predominately neoliberal capitalism, slightly more social democratic economics in Scandinavia and western europe) we have implemented now.

In all its simplicity, it's making a profit. As you have said so, so, soooo many times before, you just want democratizing of workplaces, no central government, bladieblabla, which, in effect, would lead to these 'democratized workplaces' being able to do as they want. Sure, Anarchists believe that they would never do anything bad as they are free from oppression and have 'an equal share', but truth be told, why won't 100 people do the exact same thing 1 person does, if it benefits them?

Because the profit motive doesnt exist within the socialist system.
Socialism works because its in everybody's self interest to have power in the workplace. That is what unions were for in the first place. Workers voicing their self interest. Workers with little power voicing their self interest against a capitalist with power voicing hers. Because of the power dynamics, the capitalist wins. That gets to what socialism is at its core. Equality of power, so that the self interest of one person doesn't overpower that of others.

Alongside that, the capitalist system itself creates the illusion of a sort of human nature. I do agree that if you observe how people act in this system, you will see a greed about them. But that's because the systems calls for greed to survive. For example, lets see we had two humans in a cage, and we do two experiments. The first is that we lock them in a cage with food enough for one of them. They'll fight for it. If you just look at this, you'll think humans are greedy. But then we set up another experiment where they have to work together to get food. Will they work together, or starve? If somebody were only watching this, they'd think humans are very cooperative creatures. In general, we respond to incentives given to us by the system. Capitalism brings out the worst in us, and allows us to let people starve. We have to create a system that will have us working together. Even in zero sum game experiments humans are shown to be cooperative.

Finally, research the following: Anarchist Spain, the Israeli Kibbutzim, the indigenous tribes around the world, and gift economies. They all provide concrete examples of humans organizing the economy in democratic ways.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 18, 2014, 12:55:38 pm
Anarchist Spain existed for two years and they were stuck between the choice to anarchism or fascism. It's a good example, but not comparable to modern democratic countries.

However, if you insist on using real life examples of Anarchism, them allow me to use real life examples of what you consider capitalist, like our country. Our system doesn't call for greed to survive, that's a assumption that is not by any record true. It's entirely possible to do absolutely nothing every day and survive. You won't have money to enjoy yourself, but that's not greed, that's the lack of reward. Justified, as you do nothing, and nothing comes from nothing. You will agree with me, surely, that even in an Syndo-Anarchist system, when every man has enough, extras should and will go to the people who work harder. It's the benefit of their labor, and therefor, it's theirs by right.

Now, people have property. Should we forbid them from having property? But isn't it theirs by right? By their labor or ingenuity, they have earned it. If you agree with that, then how come that if someone uses his property to build something, invest in something, or buy something, it's no longer theirs by right? Is that 2nd piece of property not also a product of their labour?

Abolishing the concept of property would require a impossible mindshift. There would be no rewards, no rights, no benefits. Abolishing some property would lead to a justice-problem - why is some property legal and some not?

One last thing:

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Anarcho-capitalism is basically identical to a dictatorship. Each land owner is his own dictator over his own little country.

True, but isn't every syndicate a dictator over their own little work or living place? It's basicly a mini-society, with nothing to stop them from abusing their power over others.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on October 18, 2014, 01:08:22 pm
The world belong to everyone rather than no one. If you in that case claim sole ownership of something, what you are doing is, by force, stealing from everyone else. Private property is in that case theft.

The problem is private property. There is no good way to defend it, without oppressing people. Property acquired by force is illegitimate and because pretty much all capital is intimately tied to property that has been acquired by force, there's no relation of ownership currently in existence that is legitimate.

If you create an arrow from a stick that would otherwise have rotted away, I can see how you could claim ownership of that arrow. I don't see how you can use the same reasoning to claim ownership to land. When you claim ownership to land, you are permanently reducing a finite resource that others previously had access to.

The capitalist cannot comprehend that he does not own himself privately - cannot comprehend that all men are born as part of the whole that is the human race.

He believes in his heart that competition among men creates a better humanity than solidarity among men - but I say, look at the damage that competition among men causes: war, man made famines, murdering for trade goods (De Beers etc), artificial supply shortages, the deprivation of our planet which no man can own, and the worst of all creations: poverty.

There are men wealthy enough to feed the entire world. This is the vital flaw in capitalism.

I think you should read into the differences between personal and private property. It's all fine if we're talking about a house, a horse and an acre of land.

When someone claims they own the whole forest, or several factories, that's another story. They didn't personally build everything they own, so you have to factor in the labor of the community that made the factory, etc. possible.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 18, 2014, 01:16:55 pm
Ah well. Doesn't really matter, cos before next year ISIS will probably rule over us anyway.

That's a very bad joke, pretty much failing at attempting to pass the message 'We should get back on topic' humorously.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 18, 2014, 11:00:24 pm
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=19743.msg826834#msg826834

Some other current events.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 19, 2014, 01:21:11 pm
Ah well. Doesn't really matter, cos before next year ISIS will probably rule over us anyway.

That's a very bad joke, pretty much failing at attempting to pass the message 'We should get back on topic' humorously.

Sounds like someone also had to go to Amsterdam.


#Chomsky
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 21, 2014, 01:13:58 pm
Turkey finally let the Kurds through, ggwp
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: George385 on October 21, 2014, 11:39:34 pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-21/australian-is-fighter-threatens-tony-abbott-in-video/5830040
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: George385 on October 21, 2014, 11:44:37 pm
Stone age didn't have cars. Or guns. Or region-wide orgnaizational control.

are you telling me that the flinstones arent a reliable source?  :'(

#doublepost
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 22, 2014, 11:05:55 pm
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8057/8254067018_dfdcc225a6_z.jpg)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 23, 2014, 12:48:29 am
Well, if it was an ISIS attack, then ISIS is completely boned.

If they attacked Canada, a nation which hasn't even gotten involved in this fight, then the rest of NATO is going to be pushed in out of fear of similar attacks.

Though... it seems unwise at this point. I think the attack was an isolated indecent.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 23, 2014, 01:19:25 am
I've only just considered it but the shootings earlier today at Canadian Parliament could have been an ISIS attack.
Probably some psycho who smuggled in a couple of illegal firearms from the U S of A.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 23, 2014, 01:27:57 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29727313
(the url itself is quite amusing)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 23, 2014, 03:05:27 am
Apparently it was a Al Quedea attack.
Allahu Snackbar

What happened to, like, the suicide bombers, the AKs?, the hijacked airplanes?:)
#AlQaeda2lame2k14
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 23, 2014, 03:49:22 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr8XdNwmBJg
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Theodin on October 23, 2014, 04:46:43 am
Update on Canadian Parliment:
-One gunman, killed one soldier at the War Memorial and wounded three others
-Went from War Memorial to Parliment by carjacking. Owner was not hurt.
-Was shot dead inside Parliment by the seargent in charge. Gunman is dead.
-Ottawa police are still in alert mode in downtown, they will not confirm or deny any other shooters.
-Shooter has criminal record in two provinces, most likely has ties with radical Islamic originizations, is a 2nd generation immigrant from Algeria *i think*
-Prime minister, opposition leader and third party leader are all safe, have all expressed support for the goverenments investigation
*will update when I get more info*
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 23, 2014, 07:51:54 am
Well, if it was an ISIS attack, then ISIS is completely boned.

If they attacked Canada, a nation which hasn't even gotten involved in this fight,

As one of NATO, CAnada is indeed in the fight....
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on October 23, 2014, 08:47:32 am
gas the kurds
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 23, 2014, 09:16:51 am
Well, if it was an ISIS attack, then ISIS is completely boned.

If they attacked Canada, a nation which hasn't even gotten involved in this fight,

As one of NATO, CAnada is indeed in the fight....

Yes, but they haven't pledged any material aid as of yet. If ISIS were indeed the perpetrators here, this incident may lead Canada to increase their presence in the fight against ISIS - something which could tip the balance even further.

Edit: Just looked it up. Canada actually joined the fight two days ago. Regardless, things will probably escalate after this.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 23, 2014, 10:39:26 am
Well, if it was an ISIS attack, then ISIS is completely boned.

If they attacked Canada, a nation which hasn't even gotten involved in this fight,

As one of NATO, CAnada is indeed in the fight....

Yes, but they haven't pledged any material aid as of yet. If ISIS were indeed the perpetrators here, this incident may lead Canada to increase their presence in the fight against ISIS - something which could tip the balance even further.

Edit: Just looked it up. Canada actually joined the fight two days ago. Regardless, things will probably escalate after this.

It doesn't really matter anyways. IS has declared every ally of the US as an enemy. And the pope. So if you're fighting or not, you're still an enemy if you are allied to the US.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on October 23, 2014, 05:08:54 pm
Well, if it was an ISIS attack, then ISIS is completely boned.

If they attacked Canada, a nation which hasn't even gotten involved in this fight, then the rest of NATO is going to be pushed in out of fear of similar attacks.

Though... it seems unwise at this point. I think the attack was an isolated indecent.

Actually we have, we are in the coalition and we've given support to the states.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 23, 2014, 06:13:55 pm
gas the kurds

Spike Lee is a piece of shit
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 24, 2014, 01:32:10 am
A list of all Syrian rebel groups who've been green-lit for US funding:

http://notgeorgesabra.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-moderate-rebels-a-complete-and-growing-list-of-vetted-groups/

A pair of brothers from a mosque I used to visit left to join the Knights of Truth a few years back. I got word a while ago that they died in a firefight with ISIS militants.

Here's to hoping those fuckers get what's coming to them eh?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 24, 2014, 01:16:02 pm
A list of all Syrian rebel groups who've been green-lit for US funding:

http://notgeorgesabra.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-moderate-rebels-a-complete-and-growing-list-of-vetted-groups/

A pair of brothers from a mosque I used to visit left to join the Knights of Truth a few years back. I got word a while ago that they died in a firefight with ISIS militants.

Here's to hoping those fuckers get what's coming to them eh?

No sources in that list. If you want to make a point that big, you better back your arguments the fuck up by making that list. Hell, back it up twice.
#invalidsource
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Krotan on October 25, 2014, 04:56:47 pm
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 25, 2014, 10:46:51 pm
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on October 30, 2014, 06:53:05 am
The submarine outside Stockholm is actually ISIS
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 30, 2014, 11:20:22 am
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29814135
http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/281020142

So a 150 man Iraqi Peshmerga 'artillery' unit are nearly across the border and will soon enter Kobane to bring some heavy weapon support to the YPG Syrian Kurdish fighters against IS. As you can see in the video it looks like a mix of old fashion truck based AA guns, recoilless rifles, and actual conventional towed artillery. Will this have an impact in your opinions?

Also reports of anywhere from 50 to 200 Arab Free Syrian Army Fighters joining the fight in Kobane, so now we have 2 rival Kurdish factions, a mixed bag of Arabs of varying Islamic militancy fighting the Islamic State all thanks to US arm twisting.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 30, 2014, 02:14:08 pm
Will this have an impact in your opinions?

Personally, I may very well. Since the amount of actual heavy weapons vs. the amount seen is unclear, we don't really know how much is being transported. But Extra hands always help.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on October 30, 2014, 03:27:40 pm
What I'm more worried about is how the relations between the Arabs and Kurds in Kobane will be kept well, since Kurds have recently been keeping Arabs out of their areas for 'ethnic' reasons.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 30, 2014, 10:48:59 pm
From Grief Over Kobane To Chaos: Istanbul's Kurdi…: http://youtu.be/uTA0xqTkyCo
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 31, 2014, 10:52:00 pm
TeamKill

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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 31, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
TeamKill

(https://i.4cdn.org/b/1414790398365.gif)
Lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 31, 2014, 11:09:17 pm
TeamKill

(https://i.4cdn.org/b/1414790398365.gif)

Please tell me that was a Da3sh son of a bitch.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on November 01, 2014, 12:17:20 am
TeamKill

(https://i.4cdn.org/b/1414790398365.gif)

That man was just given an extra asshole.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on November 01, 2014, 12:59:02 am
That man was just given an extra asshole.
Lol it hit him in the shoulder
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 01, 2014, 03:28:19 am
That man was just given an extra asshole.
Lol it hit him in the shoulder

Are you implying that an asshole cannot be created on the shoulder?
This forum is scientific proof that certain people have an anus in place of their mouth.

Anything is possible
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: George385 on November 01, 2014, 05:24:37 am
That man was just given an extra asshole.
Lol it hit him in the shoulder

Are you implying that an asshole cannot be created on the shoulder?
This forum is scientific proof that certain people have an anus in place of their mouth.

Anything is possible

lol
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 01, 2014, 05:32:38 am
That man was just given an extra asshole.
Lol it hit him in the shoulder

Are you implying that an asshole cannot be created on the shoulder?
This forum is scientific proof that certain people have an anus in place of their mouth.

Anything is possible
with the power of Koreanism that is
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Saga on November 02, 2014, 04:02:26 am
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Josef Lenin on November 02, 2014, 04:08:33 am
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10547263_740257879361356_328748026353980663_o.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xvGKihWh6w
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Pickett Pie on November 02, 2014, 04:15:16 am
Can't trick the Vick
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Saga on November 02, 2014, 05:30:20 am
Canada intensifies.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 02, 2014, 05:43:19 am
Canada intensifies.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: George385 on November 02, 2014, 06:10:49 am
It wasn't even ISIS......

it wasnt officially an ISIS man but it was a man who tried to go join ISIS in Syria and had his passport taken away...
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on November 03, 2014, 12:45:19 am
It wasn't even ISIS......

Not ISIS, but his actions were most likely influenced by ISIS and ISIS would probably support what he did.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 03, 2014, 02:24:18 am
He had nothing to do with ISIS I'm pretty sure. He was a member of Al Qaeda.

Wasn't associated with either.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 03, 2014, 02:28:08 am
He had nothing to do with ISIS I'm pretty sure. He was a member of Al Qaeda.

What would make you at all sure of that?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on November 03, 2014, 03:56:01 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8eStv7LZ6U&list=WL&index=45
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: George385 on November 03, 2014, 06:00:23 am
He had nothing to do with ISIS I'm pretty sure. He was a member of Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda and IS are completely different organisations doing different things, even Al Qaeda knows that IS must be brought to light, and there are rumours (which quite may be true) that Al Qaeda has teamed up with the Allies to defeat IS.

The investigation into the Ottawa shooting came to the conclusion that yes this man was either inspired by IS and made his own mini jihad, or he was a member of IS.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 03, 2014, 06:16:20 am
With these two ISIS doesn't stand a chance
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Conway on November 03, 2014, 08:39:14 pm
Who was the younger brother? I believe its MURICA but just making sure :P
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 04, 2014, 07:08:12 am
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on November 04, 2014, 09:51:50 am
Kurdish youth has declared autonomous zones in certain kurdish neighbourhoods in Turkey.
Turkish state is not so happy with this because it negates their existence but people in those zones have shown great happiness with thos event so they should be let be.

So far the only violence and criminal acts there have been propagated by Turkish police forces trying to enforce their authority by force.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on November 04, 2014, 01:14:05 pm
This is new:
http://arabspring-news.com/member-of-daash-encourage-daughter-to-kick-heads/
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: The Norseman on November 04, 2014, 03:39:52 pm
Imagine a world without religion...
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Stunned Lime on November 04, 2014, 05:13:49 pm
[Youtube]http://youtu.be/72Ob1x3MnYQ[/YouTube]
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on November 04, 2014, 05:18:31 pm
Imagine a world without religion...
What world would exist in the absence of the Glory of Allah?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 04, 2014, 05:38:11 pm
Imagine a world without religion...

*dibs bedora*
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 04, 2014, 06:09:52 pm
I like moslem
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on November 04, 2014, 07:22:06 pm
These guys should go fight Daesh,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0dSW4yrje4
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Conway on November 04, 2014, 09:06:06 pm
Guys.........They got Peppa Pig.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42JQYPioVo4
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Saga on November 05, 2014, 04:19:23 am
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10614271_1487691581505009_3089241656333665906_n.jpg?oh=8e2bb11678a5f0969149d6a1a7e6a73f&oe=54ECCD86)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 05, 2014, 06:16:14 am
https://i.imgur.com/gallery/svci52B
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 14, 2014, 10:35:04 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ilhI575.jpg)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MrTiki on November 14, 2014, 10:45:42 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ilhI575.jpg)
Given that no one will use their currency, its value will be far, FAR less than the material it's made of. People will steal it to melt it down for the raw metals.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 14, 2014, 11:17:29 pm
That's the reason why they used pure metals. They have a definite value that paper currency and alloys lack.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 15, 2014, 12:02:39 am
I want some.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.postimg.org%2F5u6yzof31%2FY1b6e_Ut.gif&hash=e02b2b5cee75e715373c6b1f575452ca65d833c8)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KurassierNixon on November 15, 2014, 03:58:48 am
I want some.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.postimg.org%2F5u6yzof31%2FY1b6e_Ut.gif&hash=e02b2b5cee75e715373c6b1f575452ca65d833c8)

+1. If this is true I'd pay excessive amounts of money to get my hands on these. (Not a fan of ISIS, but this is like history in the making)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 15, 2014, 05:06:07 am
I'm sorry if this is against the rules.
(https://i.imgur.com/HavjW5X.png)
[close]
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Josef Lenin on November 15, 2014, 09:15:02 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgDEQ1ZIGdU

I can't help it. I'm so sorry
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 15, 2014, 11:59:08 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgDEQ1ZIGdU

I can't help it. I'm so sorry

stfu this isnt a gif.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Josef Lenin on November 15, 2014, 12:09:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgDEQ1ZIGdU

I can't help it. I'm so sorry

stfu this isnt a gif.
Hope this helps
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.osxdaily.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2Fdancing-banana.gif&hash=3ccc64f59f22dd8677fcd6c2bdd6ff5b8bc9b147)
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on November 15, 2014, 01:05:11 pm
Peanutbutterjellytime?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 15, 2014, 01:17:21 pm
Islamic banana has C4 under its peel.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Josef Lenin on November 16, 2014, 03:22:47 pm
Assad mit Uns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OInL9DlShQ
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 16, 2014, 05:10:11 pm
www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-16/islamic-state-video-purports-to-show-u-s-captive-kassig-dead.html

Shitt nigga here we go again.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on November 16, 2014, 10:09:55 pm
Given that no one will use their currency, its value will be far, FAR less than the material it's made of. People will steal it to melt it down for the raw metals.

It isn't fiat currency, its value is the value of the material.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 16, 2014, 10:39:03 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5BdrZnhwE
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Folms on November 16, 2014, 11:57:52 pm
this is a serious thread whats happening
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 17, 2014, 01:01:11 am
*snip*
Don't post graphic videos here please.

This is a real ISIS video. Made by the Islamic State
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 17, 2014, 01:25:36 am
Okay, i'm grossed out
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 17, 2014, 01:38:16 am
Okay, i'm grossed out

Haven't seen many ISIS videos, then?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 17, 2014, 01:26:06 pm
Okay, i'm grossed out

Haven't seen many ISIS videos, then?
I read more about them then watch them.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Chosen1 on November 19, 2014, 11:02:04 pm
The Religion of Peace
(https://i.imgur.com/uJsCihh.jpg)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Riddlez on November 19, 2014, 11:22:04 pm
It actually is globally the largest.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 19, 2014, 11:35:12 pm
It actually is globally the largest.

No, it's second to Christianity.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 20, 2014, 12:35:57 am
Yay, glorious contradictions.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Akko on November 20, 2014, 02:55:22 am
Islam is not the issue here. I've met a lot of Muslims who were awesome people. Extremists are the problem, and it so happens that there are a lot of extremist Muslims. Now sadly it seems that the extremist population is growing, or they are just coming out of the shadows with ISIS rising up and all. A lot of terrorist attacks are in Muslim countries, killing Muslims.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 20, 2014, 03:02:23 am
In b4 "All Muslims are extremists" input a la Bill Maher
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Akko on November 20, 2014, 03:05:56 am
In b4 "All Muslims are extremists" input a la Bill Maher

In the US there are people who hate Islam, yet support religious freedom. You don't see the average Muslim running through the streets killing people. A lot of radical Libertarians....LIBERTARIANS!!! Burn Qurans and throw them on the ground. It is really hypocritical seeing as they are technically in support of more rights for the people and more freedom, ideology wise. 
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 20, 2014, 03:21:50 am
What about the average Zionist in Israel?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on November 20, 2014, 03:32:41 am
It's silly whenever someone says "religion of peace", Islam is not a religion of peace, it doesn't preach peace. Neither is it a religion of violence, it's just a religion. Whenever someone says "religion of peace" that's because they themselves subconsciously think that Islam is a dangerous religion and they have to like cover up for their ego or something, and therefore are stimulated by their own prejudice of Islam as being full of warmongers, that they feel the need to give it extra titles and suffixes like "of" and "peace".

Now Buddhism, that's a religion of peace.

In the US there are people who hate Islam, yet support religious freedom. You don't see the average Muslim running through the streets killing people. A lot of radical Libertarians....LIBERTARIANS!!! Burn Qurans and throw them on the ground. It is really hypocritical seeing as they are technically in support of more rights for the people and more freedom, ideology wise.

God damn libertarians, they ruined libertarianism. Nowadays being in support of a laissez fare market you get lumped in with all these partisans who are scared of flouride in their water, black people, and public employees collecting their garbage.

What about the average Zionist in Israel?

There's no average to Zionism, it is purely an extremist view. You've got your jews, your lawyers, and then Zionist in descending order of jewfidelity. But true enough, there's worst Zionist than a Mizrahim or otherwise Levantine born Zionist, and those are American born not-even-jewish Zionist.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 20, 2014, 03:50:41 am
I was implying that people who live in Israel are all Zionist
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 20, 2014, 03:52:20 am
India's watching you ISIS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQcBNutX4GY
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 20, 2014, 04:08:35 am
In b4 "All Muslims are extremists" input a la Bill Maher
Yeah that's not what he said. He said, Islam itself is a bad idea and liberals should stand up for liberal principles of Islam directly goes against those principles. Killing someone for leaving the religion, no acceptance of homosexuality, deplorable treatment of women, etc. Then him and Sam Harris basically said that perfectly nice people do and want horrible things because of the ideas Islam preaches and their interpretation. Like the millions of British Muslims who wanted that Danish cartoonist who drew The Prophet dead. Also, Harris described a sort of ripple like diagram of what Islam looks like. Jihadists on the fringe, but as you go deeper in, they get less radical but there are still inexcusable and backwards views on other religions, homosexuality, women, and free speech, etc

Bill Maher bae
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on November 20, 2014, 01:48:11 pm
Bill Maher is such a pseudo-intellectual liberal fuckwit. Also a giant hypocrit, talks a lot of shit about Islam but never talks shit about Judaism because off his jewish background.

Furthermore, I don't buy into his line about democrats being better or even 'less bad' than republicans.
I really just wish people would learn the difference between a comedian and a pundit who uses humorous rhetoric.

I agree that Islam is problematic, but I don't agree with religious freedom. I agree with unconditional freedom, and state religion occupies no special place in the set of social phenomena. Everyone must be free to criticise everything, and Islam is very easy to criticise.

Religions are little different from political ideologies, and Islam is fascist. 'Fascist' has different interpretations, but Islam is fascist in the sense that it serves as a culturally homogenising set of behaviours that discourages dissent through fear of exile and violence. So, too, is Judaism. Not all holy texts are equally bad in this regard, but most have been coopted to serve the interests of a landed elite to the detriment of the empoverished masses.

I reject religion but must do so in the right way by defending our freedom to criticise anything, be it religious or not and by defending ourselves from the oppression of censors, religious or not.
We, at the same time, must defend the religious population, for they are the victims of propaganda and a part of the people, even if they are also a part of the problem.

Christianity for instance was created by urban poor during roman times as a means of resistance against the Roman state. It was taken as a form of religion of the then rebellious jews. During the decline of the Roman empire, there was such a problem with dissent from the Urban poor, Emperor Constantine, declared himself a christian, and made the catholic(universal) church, with christian imagery, but otherwise the exact same as the previous pagan churches.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on November 20, 2014, 08:00:32 pm
If this is your definition of fascism ("Culturally homogenising set of behaviours that discourages dissent through fear of exile and violence") then almost everything is fascist in this regard, and actual fascism becomes meaningless. Moreover Islam doesn't correspond to this definition because historically speaking it's a very tolerant religion, much more than Christianism. Christian, Jewish, and other religious communities such as Zoroastrians, in Palestine, Lebanon/syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and many other countries, have cohabited for centuries with Muslims. Islam brought a lot of progress in the world and built a great civilization, something that actual fascist movements never did and couldn't. Islam, as any big religion, is so wide and so heterogenous that it's just impossible to characterize it as a whole as either progressive or reactionary, fascist or democrat. In Syria and Iraq, the main opponents to ISIS are Sunni and Shia muslims, people who certainly have much more islamic culture than those takfiri will ever have.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on November 20, 2014, 09:12:47 pm
If this is your definition of fascism ("Culturally homogenising set of behaviours that discourages dissent through fear of exile and violence") then almost everything is fascist in this regard, and actual fascism becomes meaningless. Moreover Islam doesn't correspond to this definition because historically speaking it's a very tolerant religion, much more than Christianism. Christian, Jewish, and other religious communities such as Zoroastrians, in Palestine, Lebanon/syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and many other countries, have cohabited for centuries with Muslims. Islam brought a lot of progress in the world and built a great civilization, something that actual fascist movements never did and couldn't. Islam, as any big religion, is so wide and so heterogenous that it's just impossible to characterize it as a whole as either progressive or reactionary, fascist or democrat. In Syria and Iraq, the main opponents to ISIS are Sunni and Shia muslims, people who certainly have much more islamic culture than those takfiri will ever have.

I miss Wismar, he would know what to say to make us all laugh.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Chosen1 on November 20, 2014, 10:27:56 pm
If this is your definition of fascism ("Culturally homogenising set of behaviours that discourages dissent through fear of exile and violence") then almost everything is fascist in this regard, and actual fascism becomes meaningless. Moreover Islam doesn't correspond to this definition because historically speaking it's a very tolerant religion, much more than Christianism. Christian, Jewish, and other religious communities such as Zoroastrians, in Palestine, Lebanon/syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and many other countries, have cohabited for centuries with Muslims. Islam brought a lot of progress in the world and built a great civilization, something that actual fascist movements never did and couldn't. Islam, as any big religion, is so wide and so heterogenous that it's just impossible to characterize it as a whole as either progressive or reactionary, fascist or democrat. In Syria and Iraq, the main opponents to ISIS are Sunni and Shia muslims, people who certainly have much more islamic culture than those takfiri will ever have.

this hurts so much to read

is this what europeans actually believe?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on November 20, 2014, 10:31:34 pm
Is the only thing you do complain?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Folms on November 20, 2014, 10:34:45 pm
If this is your definition of fascism ("Culturally homogenising set of behaviours that discourages dissent through fear of exile and violence") then almost everything is fascist in this regard, and actual fascism becomes meaningless. Moreover Islam doesn't correspond to this definition because historically speaking it's a very tolerant religion, much more than Christianism. Christian, Jewish, and other religious communities such as Zoroastrians, in Palestine, Lebanon/syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and many other countries, have cohabited for centuries with Muslims. Islam brought a lot of progress in the world and built a great civilization, something that actual fascist movements never did and couldn't. Islam, as any big religion, is so wide and so heterogenous that it's just impossible to characterize it as a whole as either progressive or reactionary, fascist or democrat. In Syria and Iraq, the main opponents to ISIS are Sunni and Shia muslims, people who certainly have much more islamic culture than those takfiri will ever have.
Oh dear.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 20, 2014, 10:41:00 pm
Quote
this hurts so much to read

is this what europeans actually believe?

Yes.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on November 20, 2014, 10:43:07 pm
It depends. Do you incude Turkey in Europe?  ;D
And Lebanon? It is said that Europe was born on the slopes of Mount Lebanon.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on November 20, 2014, 10:47:13 pm
Yes, and it was said that the Soviets would bring ever-lasting socialism and happiness to the world. Lots of things have and are being said.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on November 20, 2014, 10:48:43 pm
The big difference is that the Soviets are not part of the mythology. Not yet. Or are they?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 20, 2014, 10:52:03 pm
The big difference is that the Soviets are not part of the mythology. Not yet. Or are they?

What the hell are you talking about?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MaxLam on November 20, 2014, 10:54:07 pm
The birth of Europe is part of the mythology.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greekmyths-greekmythology.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F08%2Feurope-zeus.jpg&hash=202d9a1d6b94c769907e280d685b80a563ca9cf7)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 20, 2014, 10:56:19 pm
If this is your definition of fascism ("Culturally homogenising set of behaviours that discourages dissent through fear of exile and violence") then almost everything is fascist in this regard, and actual fascism becomes meaningless. Moreover Islam doesn't correspond to this definition because historically speaking it's a very tolerant religion, much more than Christianism. Christian, Jewish, and other religious communities such as Zoroastrians, in Palestine, Lebanon/syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and many other countries, have cohabited for centuries with Muslims. Islam brought a lot of progress in the world and built a great civilization, something that actual fascist movements never did and couldn't. Islam, as any big religion, is so wide and so heterogenous that it's just impossible to characterize it as a whole as either progressive or reactionary, fascist or democrat. In Syria and Iraq, the main opponents to ISIS are Sunni and Shia muslims, people who certainly have much more islamic culture than those takfiri will ever have.

this hurts so much to read

is this what europeans actually believe?

Someone's got the NDP shoved up his arse.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 20, 2014, 11:05:47 pm
Or he just has basic observational skills.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Ser Thomas on November 20, 2014, 11:06:08 pm
*snip*

This is a real ISIS video. Made by the Islamic State
After I gave my friend that link, he replied with "I'm hungry now".
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 20, 2014, 11:11:57 pm
Or he just has basic observational skills.

Yes, but combining his avatar, comments and description, I doth believe I smell a member of the  Nationaldemokratische Partei
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on November 20, 2014, 11:12:51 pm
All religions necessitate a willful ignorance. It's dangerous to tolerate such faulty lines of reasoning. They can carry over into other decision making.

I deal with it in a "hate the game, not the player" sort of way. I consider Islam (and all organized religion) to be extremely harmful to society. However, I do not attack any individual person for their beliefs. I blame the institution as a whole. Same idea applies to the military, police etc etc.

I don't think people who join the military or a cult are evil. But I do think they are ignorant. We need more active discussion of these false beliefs - religion, nationalism, etc. Not simply apologetics for the believers.

Most muslims that I know don't care about half the stuff in their religion and so are usually not very good at being muslim, but pretty good at being humans.
A lot of muslims in the 1st world, like any religion, consider themselves muslim as a group culture sort of thing more than anything.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MrTiki on November 21, 2014, 12:07:21 am
Just as a reminder, please don't link graphic videos to these forums. Discuss them if you wish, and you can tell people the name of a website to find them, but no direct links, images etc.
This forum is regularly accessed by very young individuals, and we don't want to leave anyone psychologically scarred.

Thanks,
Tiki
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 21, 2014, 02:43:26 am
Just as a reminder, please don't link graphic videos to these forums. Discuss them if you wish, and you can tell people the name of a website to find them, but no direct links, images etc.
This forum is regularly accessed by very young individuals, and we don't want to leave anyone psychologically scarred.

Thanks,
Tiki
I don't need a video to be psychologically scarred on this forum
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 21, 2014, 02:51:50 am
Quote
and we don't want to leave anyone psychologically scarred.
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 21, 2014, 02:58:15 am
Just as a reminder, please don't link graphic videos to these forums. Discuss them if you wish, and you can tell people the name of a website to find them, but no direct links, images etc.
This forum is regularly accessed by very young individuals, and we don't want to leave anyone psychologically scarred.

Thanks,
Tiki
I don't need a video to be psychologically scarred on this forum

This. Holy fucking tits this.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Barraclough on November 21, 2014, 11:57:28 am
Just as a reminder, please don't link graphic videos to these forums. Discuss them if you wish, and you can tell people the name of a website to find them, but no direct links, images etc.
This forum is regularly accessed by very young individuals, and we don't want to leave anyone psychologically scarred.

Thanks,
Tiki
I don't need a video to be psychologically scarred on this forum

This. Holy fucking tits this.
you should know, mr *snip*
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 21, 2014, 12:16:06 pm
Just as a reminder, please don't link graphic videos to these forums. Discuss them if you wish, and you can tell people the name of a website to find them, but no direct links, images etc.
This forum is regularly accessed by very young individuals, and we don't want to leave anyone psychologically scarred.

Thanks,
Tiki
I don't need a video to be psychologically scarred on this forum

This. Holy fucking tits this.
you should know, mr *snip*

suck my joystick.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on November 21, 2014, 01:40:29 pm
Whoa man, theres a lot of repugnant racist fucks on here.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on November 21, 2014, 04:25:30 pm
All religions necessitate a willful ignorance. It's dangerous to tolerate such faulty lines of reasoning. They can carry over into other decision making.

No they don't, any religion can be abstracted to be a set of principles, and the set of all religions can be practiced together for their set of principles. What one person writes isn't necessarily verbatim, that's just his opinion. Most of the scriptures of any religion has a significantly large author base, most who are anonymous, most who didn't actually agree with each other. Religion necessitates nothing, because religions are only a set of principles, religious leaders and institutions are the only entities which can necessitate anything. The sooner you'd understand that the sooner you can grow out of this "everything I disagree with is fascism" and the "everything is grouped together, there are no individuals and there is no individual identity, all people can be generalized" philosophies which your 13 year old mind seems to be stuck on.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on November 21, 2014, 05:28:49 pm
Religion has the theoretical potential to be good, and sometimes people do good in the name of religion. In an ideal world, religion could still exist (assuming the churches were not powerful or wealthy).

Philosophies of religions aren't harmful. It's when religion becomes a church that begs money, resources, etc. from the people that it becomes harmful and corrupt. Take out the hierarchy and leave the philosophy, religions are sometimes awesome.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 22, 2014, 11:23:07 pm
https://news.vice.com/article/british-government-threatens-to-close-six-private-muslim-schools-where-students-risk-radicalization?utm_source=vicenewsfb

Fucken hell
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Chosen1 on November 23, 2014, 12:30:34 am
Quote
At Mazahirul Uloom school — which has a student body of 102 — the inspectors reported several pupils told them it would be wrong to learn about other religions. According to the report, "when discussing Sharia and English law, they were unable to tell inspectors which laws they should follow, and which were more important."

christ

yurop why
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on November 23, 2014, 12:34:03 am
Quote
At Mazahirul Uloom school — which has a student body of 102 — the inspectors reported several pupils told them it would be wrong to learn about other religions. According to the report, "when discussing Sharia and English law, they were unable to tell inspectors which laws they should follow, and which were more important."

christ

England why

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on November 23, 2014, 03:14:55 am
https://news.vice.com/article/british-government-threatens-to-close-six-private-muslim-schools-where-students-risk-radicalization?utm_source=vicenewsfb

Fucken hell

England
YES
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Karth on November 23, 2014, 04:34:29 am
Seems like things are again heating up in Afghanistan. No end in sight
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-gives-commanders-broader-authority-to-support-afghan-troops/2014/11/22/8741f2fc-724e-11e4-ad12-3734c461eab6_story.html

Brings attention to how we are to support large scale ops in both countries.. with ISIS being the most likely bigger threat.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on November 23, 2014, 12:37:02 pm
liberal logic

(https://i.imgur.com/yuOga8J.jpg)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on November 23, 2014, 12:55:23 pm
liberal logic

(https://i.imgur.com/yuOga8J.jpg)

Isn't that exactly what you do? Joining the system and trying to change it from within? I don't exactly see you running around the barricades with an AK-47.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 23, 2014, 01:08:17 pm
Augy was born in the system you bourgeois.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 23, 2014, 02:32:48 pm
I am ze system

Fear me

Rawr
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on November 23, 2014, 05:41:32 pm
Hola jugar acha laga who start a la I love Allah huakbar hello Allah Akbar doctor our Lord Allah Akbar talk there

Microphone is cancer
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on November 25, 2014, 01:27:49 am
https://soundcloud.com/majorleaguewobs/isis-step-allahu-trapbar-for-vagabonds

It's a new genre of music called "Allahu Trapbar"
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 25, 2014, 05:04:59 am
+1

Also post it in the music thread too.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Olafson on November 25, 2014, 08:21:52 pm
I heard that ISIS is eating their enemies flesh. Is that true?

I also saw a picture of an ISIS "General" eating a baby with a pitchfork.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on November 25, 2014, 09:43:46 pm
I heard that ISIS is eating their enemies flesh. Is that true?
The only solution to get the border locked properly (As in, no illegal immigrants can enter the USA) would be to eat all the Mexicans that are trying to cross the border.
I wonder if Russia would ever have invaded Crimea if Ukraine would have legalized cannibalism.

Wtf happened to Olafson  :o BCoF turned him cannibal
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on November 25, 2014, 09:46:30 pm
That's why BCoF hasn't come out. Olaf ate Vincenzo and is currently in prison using the library computer.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 25, 2014, 09:49:30 pm
That's why BCoF hasn't come out. Olaf ate Vincenzo and is currently in prison using the library computer.
BCoF is just a myth, an urban legend

A product of Olaf's twisted imagination
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 25, 2014, 10:50:13 pm
http://youtu.be/-7lHWVYTY4U
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on November 26, 2014, 04:24:51 am
allah snackbar

My question is, what was the nutella for
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 26, 2014, 05:04:44 am
Motivation and Shrine dedicated to Allah.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Chosen1 on November 26, 2014, 04:44:30 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3snnVr3chJ8[/youtube]
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Josef Lenin on November 26, 2014, 08:04:11 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3snnVr3chJ8[/youtube]
Incorrect, this was actually sheep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgDEQ1ZIGdU
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Olafson on November 27, 2014, 12:50:50 am
Wow, thanks. That is the first time I saw a cannibalistic washing machine in action.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on November 27, 2014, 02:08:27 am
Wow, thanks. That is the first time I saw a cannibalistic washing machine in action.
Olafson's account gawt hacked
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on November 27, 2014, 02:11:54 am
http://youtu.be/I6cRS2QjNvc
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Josef Lenin on November 27, 2014, 08:42:19 pm
http://youtu.be/I6cRS2QjNvc
That casual allah akbar at the end though
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 27, 2014, 10:24:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJY0M0ju4bc
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Saga on December 04, 2014, 01:15:09 am
Lol, no wonder its taking so long to fight ISIS

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA80g4W_efQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Conway on December 04, 2014, 01:33:14 am
The 77y skirms made a mod that replaces all Russian battle cries with Allahu Akbar :P
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Akko on December 04, 2014, 01:33:43 am
Lol, no wonder its taking so long to fight ISIS

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA80g4W_efQ[/youtube]

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F000%2F583%2F048%2F4bf.png&hash=2124943a51cf8d79913008ba94c682008c871e54)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 06, 2014, 11:04:05 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU2avVIHde8
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Olafson on December 07, 2014, 12:00:25 am
Nothing new in the video?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Chosen1 on December 07, 2014, 12:06:52 am
hmmm....

maybe removing Assad will fix it  8)

Actually, it's much more complex than what that video says. It wasn't just the doing of dubya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Butts on December 07, 2014, 12:09:26 am
allu ackbar
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on December 07, 2014, 06:22:04 am
(https://i.imgur.com/jOsqZhQ.jpg)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on December 07, 2014, 08:20:49 am
I just read that the USA is blaming Iran for bombing ISIS targets in Iraq without permission (which is not affirmed) while they are bombing ISIS targets in Syria without permission.

Nice double moral standard.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 07, 2014, 08:23:30 am
I just read that the USA is blaming Iran for bombing ISIS targets in Iraq without permission (which is not affirmed) while they are bombing ISIS targets in Syria without permission.

Nice double moral standard.

Welcome to global politics. Your country does it too.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on December 07, 2014, 09:48:29 am
That's why the goverment of my country is evil.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on December 07, 2014, 11:53:22 am
I agree, Bayern sucks.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on December 07, 2014, 12:53:36 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpolandball.cc%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2FWIVxj9h-600x1302.png&hash=2e453fe77038703b6fdede2fb784f8ca1904b01e)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Olafson on December 07, 2014, 01:14:21 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/jOsqZhQ.jpg)

He is right though... You cant win a war with airstrikes... Especially not versus militia/guerrillas.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Wigster600 on December 07, 2014, 02:43:18 pm
The reason why problems in the middle east have been going on for so long is that it's frowned on to solve insurgent issues with concentration camps nowdays.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: EdwardC on January 02, 2015, 06:27:03 am
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/31/social-media-obsessed-isis-fighter-accidentally-tweets-his-location-in-syria/



(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F01%2Fkiwi-jihadi-twitter-account-december-29.jpg%3Fw%3D866&hash=403609a8a7d412937eba3f6fd8a985b219e87177)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on January 02, 2015, 09:06:29 am
I hate his kind of beards.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Fungus on January 02, 2015, 09:37:10 am
but doesn't your dad have a beard like that??
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on January 02, 2015, 01:47:31 pm
but doesn't your dad have a beard like that??

he has a moustache


i thought salmond had a beard?
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 02:18:07 pm
We should all together bully the Arab and the Scot.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on January 02, 2015, 02:24:07 pm
We should all together bully the Arab and the Scot.

Enjoy Alaskan oil m8888
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Augy on January 02, 2015, 02:40:17 pm
ISIS is any conservative's wet dream. Religious rule, women stay the fuck at home, you can have many wives, you can kill people opposed to you, lots of guns and RPGs, etc.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 02:42:11 pm
ISIS is any conservative's wet dream. Religious rule, women stay the fuck at home, you can have many wives, you can kill people opposed to you, lots of guns and RPGs, etc.
I'm a conservative and my wet dreams look different. ::)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Bronn of the Blackwater on January 02, 2015, 05:52:59 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2894154/ISIS-fighters-contracted-Ebola-World-Health-Organisation-investigating-reports-Islamist-militants-disease-showed-Iraqi-hospital.html

dat dere ebola
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Desert Thunda on January 02, 2015, 10:54:45 pm
This cracked me up.



Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Fmedias%2F2014%2F09%2F05%2FPHO762a347e-3456-11e4-9fbd-c96e49396dca-805x453.jpg&hash=0374aab1482800f9fbfc52874207e2c9e9140480)
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2015, 01:09:40 am
ISIS is any conservative's wet dream. Religious rule, women stay the fuck at home, you can have many wives, you can kill people opposed to you, lots of guns and RPGs, etc.

Ha.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on January 03, 2015, 09:13:09 pm
ISIS is any conservative's wet dream. Religious rule, women stay the fuck at home, you can have many wives, you can kill people opposed to you, lots of guns and RPGs, etc.

ISIS is Murica?

Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2015, 09:22:29 pm
ISIS is any conservative's wet dream. Religious rule, women stay the fuck at home, you can have many wives, you can kill people opposed to you, lots of guns and RPGs, etc.

Yeah, any conservative! Because that word totally has a single meaning and you're referring to a compact, specific group of people when you say that.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Akko on January 03, 2015, 09:24:56 pm
ISIS is any conservative's wet dream. Religious rule, women stay the fuck at home, you can have many wives, you can kill people opposed to you, lots of guns and RPGs, etc.

Yeah, any conservative! Because that word totally has a single meaning and you're referring to a compact, specific group of people when you say that.

I don't think the average Conservative would want a theocracy where non-believers are beheaded....

But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2015, 09:25:39 pm
I think we ought to just disregard Augy's posts.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Akko on January 03, 2015, 09:32:40 pm
I think we ought to just disregard Augy's posts.

Or you could just ban him to save all of us from his stupidity :3 (for the luls)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F38.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lsgluoPflj1qb7yydo4_250.gif&hash=beeb413548c7b1ff7d554ab519505aafb6726678)  <----Disregard this, needed some where to post it.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on January 03, 2015, 09:51:58 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLLEbbDCYAAwU_d.jpg)
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2015, 10:05:19 pm
I think I actually lost braincells reading that.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Akko on January 03, 2015, 10:08:58 pm
I think I actually lost braincells reading that.

I really don't think he knows what a redneck is.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on January 03, 2015, 10:09:42 pm
I think I actually lost braincells reading that.

I really don't think he knows what a redneck is.

shhhhh
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 03, 2015, 10:17:07 pm
amirite?
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.glaronia.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2Fn560b561046.jpg&hash=f6a59a7ddaac0b0935634bdfb7f712b1b8eb0ccc)
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Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2015, 10:33:39 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLLEbbDCYAAwU_d.jpg)

implying you have to be a redneck or terrorist to be a patriot and enjoy freedom.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on January 03, 2015, 11:44:02 pm
The bait is strong
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on January 05, 2015, 04:04:45 am
implying you have to be a redneck or terrorist to be a patriot and enjoy freedom.

Unless you're in Somalia, you're not enjoying any freedom. You'd have to be a redneck or terrorist to think you do.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 05, 2015, 04:31:11 am
implying you have to be a redneck or terrorist to be a patriot and enjoy freedom.

Unless you're in Somalia, you're not enjoying any freedom. You'd have to be a redneck or terrorist to think you do.

Elaborate. If you're attempting to make the argument that you're hinting at, maybe kill yourself. But go on.
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on January 06, 2015, 09:56:55 pm
implying you have to be a redneck or terrorist to be a patriot and enjoy freedom.

Unless you're in Somalia, you're not enjoying any freedom. You'd have to be a redneck or terrorist to think you do.

Elaborate. If you're attempting to make the argument that you're hinting at, maybe kill yourself. But go on.

#rood
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on January 07, 2015, 12:10:05 am
wow no elaboration yet

 :o #rekt
Title: Re: ISIS Thread
Post by: Grantrithor on January 07, 2015, 04:53:33 am
wow no elaboration yet

 :o #rekt

All I was implying is that there isn't really any of this "freedom" in western society, don't understand what's to elaborate. Also, pay denbt