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Title: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 01, 2017, 10:13:06 pm
Hi. I'm your new CR for this term, and this post will be a brief introduction and outline of my goals for the position.

First off, it is a known fact that I have a significant history at odds with the moderation, accumulating many mutes/warns and ultimately being banned twice. However, this is to my benefit - while my position requires me to act as a bridge between the moderation and the community, I am well aware of the concerns about how the forum handles its discipline. Therefore, as CR complaints about moderation to me will not fall on deaf ears. I will fight for you if you are mistreated, to the best of my ability.

The community is not a small collection of "powerful" people. It's everyone who uses the forum or plays the game, and in this position, I will listen to everyone's opinions and complaints equally. I am not CR to serve the interests of any specific regiment, group, or player. Everyone, no matter their history with me or moderation, has a voice, and I will listen.

In regards to day to day moderation, I plan to take a passive and objective role, as best as possible. Whether you were my pen pal in grade 5 or my "greatest enemy" the rules apply to you all equally, and if you choose not to, the consequences apply to you the same as to anyone else. Most likely I'll just tell you to stop, and no further action will be taken - heavy-handedness, when not required, hurts everyone.

After watching previous CR's try and fail to push forward some project or plan, it's manifestly clear that promising the moon about some revival project or boycott doesn't work. When approaching ideas to vitalize our game and expand the community, we must think reasonably and realistically about what will or will not work, otherwise, it's a waste of our time. I believe the role of CR is not to have a project with the aim of completion, but to be a bridge between the community and moderation when situations arise that require attention.

In saying that, however, I would like to use my position as CR to not only provide a bridge between the community and the administration but to bridge the different communities: for too long, the Cavalry and Casual communities in North America have been completely separate and distant from the competitive side. I hope, at the very least, to make the gap smaller, and will make careful steps at doing this. I am already in discussion with people who share this goal, and I request that if anyone has any ideas or contacts to help this process, or have any questions or concerns about this, to contact me on steam, via P.M, or just simply post here.

Previous CR's, notably Junedragon, believed that it would be effective for community communication to have a "round table" of regimental and community leaders. I completely agree with this and believe that having regimental representatives to "speak" for their side on some positions is essential for smooth communication. However, an organized process like this is difficult to manage, and even more difficult to police. I'm mulling around the idea of setting up a discord for community/reg leaders for communication and problem solving like this. Obviously, there are problems, like who should be invited, and how many people from each reg, etc. but I'll update you on that.

Unless everyone really wants it, I won't be posting weekly updates, as it seems like a waste of time, and much of my work will be done with individuals or small groups over Steam or PM, or on the mod board. However, I'll make a poll, and if you really want them, I'll do bi-weekly updates. I've watched a few CR's burn out, and don't wish to do the same, so bi-weekly updates are the most I'll ever do.

Once again, feel free to contact me over steam or over P.M if you have any questions.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Sgt.Winters on June 01, 2017, 10:24:46 pm
I for one welcome our new Canadian overlord.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 01, 2017, 10:41:22 pm
When you set the poll's settings to that you can't view results without voting, but you forget that applies to you as well.
FeelsBadMan.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: ~Midnight~ on June 01, 2017, 11:18:48 pm
I like the sound of this, finally something getting done it looks like.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: SillyWilly on June 02, 2017, 01:28:13 am
Quote
No     Xethos, Theodin, CaptianJake

really gets my noggin joggin....
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 02, 2017, 01:39:46 am
Quote
No     Xethos, Theodin, CaptianJake

really gets my noggin joggin....
My vote counts double  8)
Spoiler
I wish
[close]
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Risk_ on June 02, 2017, 06:02:02 am
I for one welcome our new Canadian overlord.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Kovyjack on June 02, 2017, 06:14:55 am
Not my representative.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 02, 2017, 07:36:12 am
Not my representative.
Damn
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Siwi on June 02, 2017, 11:04:46 am
So hot
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Cazasar on June 02, 2017, 11:50:07 am
Will Norwegian do something similar?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Norwegian13 on June 02, 2017, 04:01:30 pm
Will Norwegian do something similar?

Yes, was actually planning to reply yesterday but I didn't have the time. Anyways, basically the same for me as Theo on EU side; feel free to come with complaints/issues/requests to me and I'll do my best to help you out.

Regarding updates, I'll look at it realistically and I can say that for now I'm not gonna make any promises about consistent updates but I'll post regularly if we're doing something. I may try doing a bi-weekly update like Theo, but as I already mentioned I am not sure yet. We'll see.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Krastinov on June 03, 2017, 06:04:50 am
canadians suck
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 03, 2017, 06:22:23 am
canadians suck
preach
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Pickle on June 05, 2017, 02:31:37 am
Congrats, Grad!
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 08, 2017, 02:01:12 am
Hi guys,
Little update: I've started working full time, and have a commute starting at 5 AM each morning, so because I'm rather tired I may be a bit less patient, however if all goes well, that'll just be for tonight and tomorrow night. During the weekend I will be making a point of addressing a couple things that happened this week. I'll also be posting my first bi-weekly update on Friday.
Make no mistake - I take this position seriously and will do the best I can to ensure the completion of my goals.
God Bless.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Sanders on June 08, 2017, 07:30:14 pm
All I request is that you finish your melee book in do time
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 09, 2017, 01:47:23 am
All I request is that you finish your melee book in do time
Due and by June 20th
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on June 09, 2017, 02:15:40 am
All I request is that you finish your melee book in do time
Due and by June 20th
holding you to that
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 09, 2017, 02:20:23 am
All I request is that you finish your melee book in do time
Due and by June 20th
holding you to that
You alwys do  :-*
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Duuze on June 09, 2017, 05:56:57 am
Welcome, I remember you from nwl.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 10, 2017, 04:31:18 am
update time:
1. I created the 1st MI for the purposes of playing in the NACL. Hopefully that works out - thanks to the few guys who volunteered to help me as I know nothing about cav.
2. I solved a little cav problem relating to the league name
3. I did some forum admin stuff - Duuring still hasn't given me board mod
4. Worked on a project with some casual community leaders about bush pirating
5. Waded into a giant fucked up reg war involving the classic party

So far, a decent start
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on June 10, 2017, 06:18:49 am
What was the giant reg war ?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: PJ on June 10, 2017, 06:21:47 am
fuck you theo
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Riddlez on June 10, 2017, 02:11:06 pm
If it's about the 63e again, don't even bother.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 10, 2017, 06:23:45 pm
What was the giant reg war ?
You'll see
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on June 10, 2017, 06:24:20 pm
If it's about the 63e again, don't even bother.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: BabyJesus on June 10, 2017, 08:12:23 pm
Has General karth forgiven the 41st for their atrocious sins?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Pickle on June 16, 2017, 06:18:53 am
 Am I CR yet?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on June 16, 2017, 07:28:22 am
Has General karth forgiven the 41st for their atrocious sins?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: ~Midnight~ on June 16, 2017, 09:07:15 pm
Has General karth forgiven the 41st for their atrocious sins?
Considering I was watched for posting on their thread because I am a '41st member' I don't think they have
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 16, 2017, 09:50:13 pm
Update: still no board mod'
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: SillyWilly on June 19, 2017, 06:46:20 am
how can memes be real if theodin's board mod isnt real
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Thunderstormer on June 19, 2017, 07:33:41 am
how can memes be real if theodin's board mod isnt real
he has board mod powers.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 24, 2017, 05:14:54 pm
Update - in the past two weeks I
1. Got the 1st MI started - cav is funner than I thought, thanks risk and Dan etc for helping out
2. Witnessed our favorite community leader spread lies to important people about my conduct as CR
3. Had one of the people I was working with in the casual community claim I threatened him when I tried to mediate the reg war (don't expect me to moderate your thread in any way if you're going to cry admin abuse before I even got admin btw)
So of my two goals , cav and cas, one is progressing nicely while the other has been tanked by the usual suspects.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on June 24, 2017, 07:32:11 pm
Update - in the past two weeks I
1. Got the 1st MI started - cav is funner than I thought, thanks risk and Dan etc for helping out
2. Witnessed our favorite community leader spread lies to important people about my conduct as CR
3. Had one of the people I was working with in the casual community claim I threatened him when I tried to mediate the reg war (don't expect me to moderate your thread in any way if you're going to cry admin abuse before I even got admin btw)
So of my two goals , cav and cas, one is progressing nicely while the other has been tanked by the usual suspects.
More fun*
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on June 24, 2017, 08:00:12 pm
how can memes be real if theodin's board mod isnt real
he has board mod powers.
How would you know?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Thunderstormer on June 24, 2017, 08:06:51 pm
how can memes be real if theodin's board mod isnt real
he has board mod powers.
How would you know?
magic
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on June 24, 2017, 09:16:16 pm
how can memes be real if theodin's board mod isnt real
he has board mod powers.
How would you know?
magic
Can I call you Warlock Thunderstormer now?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Thunderstormer on June 24, 2017, 11:49:55 pm

Can I call you Warlock Thunderstormer now?
i don't see why not.  I've been called everything else under the sun over the years.   according to some, i am the queen of england. 
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Riddlez on June 25, 2017, 11:41:37 am
Update - in the past two weeks I
1. Got the 1st MI started - cav is funner than I thought, thanks risk and Dan etc for helping out
2. Witnessed our favorite community leader spread lies to important people about my conduct as CR
3. Had one of the people I was working with in the casual community claim I threatened him when I tried to mediate the reg war (don't expect me to moderate your thread in any way if you're going to cry admin abuse before I even got admin btw)
So of my two goals , cav and cas, one is progressing nicely while the other has been tanked by the usual suspects.

Never had the issue of people crying I threatened them or asmin abuse... but nonetheless, can't please the snowflakes and you tried anyway.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 25, 2017, 03:57:47 pm

Can I call you Warlock Thunderstormer now?
i don't see why not.  I've been called everything else under the sun over the years.   according to some, i am the queen of england.
I'm sorry what?

Update - in the past two weeks I
1. Got the 1st MI started - cav is funner than I thought, thanks risk and Dan etc for helping out
2. Witnessed our favorite community leader spread lies to important people about my conduct as CR
3. Had one of the people I was working with in the casual community claim I threatened him when I tried to mediate the reg war (don't expect me to moderate your thread in any way if you're going to cry admin abuse before I even got admin btw)
So of my two goals , cav and cas, one is progressing nicely while the other has been tanked by the usual suspects.

Never had the issue of people crying I threatened them or asmin abuse... but nonetheless, can't please the snowflakes and you tried anyway.
Exactly
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Risk_ on June 26, 2017, 07:08:11 am
how can memes be real if theodin's board mod isnt real
he has board mod powers.
How would you know?
magic

(https://media.giphy.com/media/12NUbkX6p4xOO4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 26, 2017, 07:00:20 pm
Key note - have board mod in one board, community, but not on regiments NA or Events NA. ?? It's been a month, almost. Disappointing
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Riddlez on June 26, 2017, 07:54:07 pm
Yeah that's always been a problem, took me roughly three weeks to get it done.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Windflower on June 27, 2017, 04:39:41 am
Since community reps has started, I feel like the actual moderation of this forum has just vanished into nothing.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Tardet on June 27, 2017, 01:03:21 pm
Since community reps has started, I feel like the actual moderation of this forum has just vanished into nothing.

From French Forum Board Moderator to Language Moderator, here I stand. My story is old and far from being clean. But I rised. I tricked them.

- You're in this council, but we deny granting you the rank of Global Moderator, they said.
- What? How can you do this? This is outrageous. Its unfair! I answered. How can you be given access to the moderator council but still have no right to use the same power as they do?
- Take a seat, young Tardet, Duuring Windu told me.

From the inside, I felt the anger overwhelming my body. I wanted to tell them how wrong and foolish they were not to trust me. They wanted to control me. Every single one of their decision taken about my future inside the FSE Forum Administration had lead me to nothing but the obvious. They feared me. They feared my power.

So I would sit, in silence. And even thank them for the so grateful gift they gave me to be among them, but no equal to them.

But their faith was settled. I was born to become the most powerful FSE Forum Moderator. And that they had refuse to give it their consent would make no difference.



Hope you won't mind too much my little 'unserious' digression however in a more serious note, from someone who isn't really fully part of the Global 'FSE' Adminstration yet as I'm only a Language Moderator (with improved permissions), I'm still capable to tell you that FSE Mods/Admins are actually active. Fact is that you are not able to see a major portion of the work they do and decisions they take.

Obviously this activity fluctuates from one to another mod but I wouldn't say they 'vanished' into nothing since CR arrived as it would be quite unfair regarding the work they do.

At the end of the day, there is one thing which is true, which is that this FSE Moderation Team is behaving slightly differently from the one I used to know years ago. To judge if it's for the best or the worse is up to anyone but I'm personally relatively happy about how things are dealt with, in most cases.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Dark_Knight on June 27, 2017, 01:30:53 pm
will we have a dedicated forum for bannerlord?  ::)
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Riddlez on June 27, 2017, 02:30:45 pm
The reason it seems like there is little moderation is not because of a lack of moderators, but because there isn't an active head admin or someone willing to take up that role.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on June 27, 2017, 04:29:56 pm
The reason it seems like there is little moderation is not because of a lack of moderators, but because there isn't an active head admin or someone willing to take up that role.
This is true. The moderators we have now (minus Duuring, really) seem capable of doing their jobs and some are quite excellent, actually. However, "power" is centralized at the top in an inactive, out of touch and power hungry head mod who's the only one who actually wants to do it. It's a disappointing state of affairs.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Norwegian13 on June 27, 2017, 06:32:42 pm
will we have a dedicated forum for bannerlord?  ::)

Obviously not, FSE is in no way associated with TW's new game.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Peppers on July 01, 2017, 01:56:18 pm
We need a new head moderator who only posted in the world politics thread and never was really in a regiment nor apart of the actual community. Also they need to push there own agenda while at the same time deleting others opinions. I'm sure we can all agree on that right guys?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on July 01, 2017, 02:43:56 pm
We need a new head moderator who only posted in the world politics thread and never was really in a regiment nor apart of the actual community. Also they need to push there own agenda while at the same time deleting others opinions. I'm sure we can all agree on that right guys?
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Riddlez on July 02, 2017, 07:14:17 pm
We need a new head moderator who only posted in the world politics thread and never was really in a regiment nor apart of the actual community. Also they need to push there own agenda while at the same time deleting others opinions. I'm sure we can all agree on that right guys?

It's not nessecary to have been part of a regiment to be moderator here.... You only need to know the forum rules.
And from experience I can tell you there is no agenda from the admin team.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: BabyJesus on July 02, 2017, 07:24:15 pm
I think Matt should be head admin
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: ~Midnight~ on July 02, 2017, 09:21:23 pm
I think Matt should be head admin
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: |Viper| on July 02, 2017, 09:26:42 pm
pro strats
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Peppers on July 04, 2017, 05:12:39 pm
We need a new head moderator who only posted in the world politics thread and never was really in a regiment nor apart of the actual community. Also they need to push there own agenda while at the same time deleting others opinions. I'm sure we can all agree on that right guys?

It's not nessecary to have been part of a regiment to be moderator here.... You only need to know the forum rules.
And from experience I can tell you there is no agenda from the admin team.
O wow now that you confirmed there is no agenda I now believe it. Thanks for clearing that up for me I was so confused now I've seen the light. Thanks for letting my thread stay on the regiments section too.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Riddlez on July 04, 2017, 09:32:06 pm
WHat do you want me to do? All I can say that, from the time I had access to the admin board, there was absolutely nothing that even hinted at an agenda. As for the second part, I have no idea what you are talking about.


A lot of people complain about the admins doing nothing are usually coming from the Servers section or the regimental sections. The point here is, that there are dozens and dozens of active thread with hundreds of new posts made every day. This cannot be managed to check on even a weekly basis by a mod team, though it is where most infractions happen. The admin team relies almost solely on reports from such threads to be able to act upon it. This acting upon, if reported usually happens on the same day they are reported.
A small exeption is made, at least from how I went about it personally, is checking some threads on a regular basis where experience learned a lot of shit happens. These are regularly watched treads. The rest needs to be done by reports.

As for the complain I usually see on people not getting punihsment, even though "he is a total asshole who does nothing but troll or be a nuisance". There is a large difference in what people individually experience as annoying and what is actual rule breaking on the forums. A lot of times these people have been bothering these regiments outside of the forums and the admin team cannot act upon that for obvious reasons. Also, repeated minor offenses do not nessecarily warrant a ban, which is usually what people ask for (waaay too soon).
If these persons don't bother anyone on other parts of the forum, there is a good chance that the admins won't bother spending time on such issues and leave it to be solved amongst themselves. Which is a healthy approach for if you want to be involved in everything, you will probably fo insane.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Shadow on July 04, 2017, 11:06:21 pm
Note:  This is just my perspective, and not that of the Moderating team - I am not speaking on behalf of FSE so much as my perspective and what I bring.

Thanks for your posts, Peppers and Riddlez.  Not to sum it all up (but to do it a little) - the community's purpose is to be just that - a community.  If you want to be a part of it, then please do.  Note that there is a responsibility to being a part of it though - freedom isn't just something that people can do "whatever" with - freedom is a responsibility, and a privilege to receive.  If you don't want to be a part or use the responsibility/privilege wisely, then the "door" is there - don't let it hit you on the way out.

We trust the community to solve problems that do not need a "moderator" to weigh in.  For those instances where there's constant rule breaking and a clear lack of care/concern towards others (be the posts seem benign), we step in.  You have seen that.

I'd ask that if you have any other concerns (as always), as is probably with the rest of the moderating team, contact me.  I'll commit to responding, as long as there are quality comments that warrant quality responses.

Again, thank you for your posts.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on July 16, 2017, 01:48:42 am
Time for a biweekly wheneverIfeellikeit update!

Cav: NACL nearing an end without any problems, scheduling is difficult but we've managed to play all of our matches so far. Labelling the 1st MI as a success so far.

Cas: The thing/people I was working with seems to have stalled due to the interference of The Usual Suspect, but more infantry regiments seem to be hosting/taking part in casual events, which is nice to see.

Inf: All is quiet in the Western front, it seems. Would be nice if 3e/LG could tone it down on fse.

Entering the final stages of my term and still have not received moderation powers on the boards I was supposed to. Putting this down to Duuring disappearing for the last month and a half.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on July 18, 2017, 03:53:40 am
After becoming increasingly tired of the top heavy nature of the NA competitive scene, I seriously and fully think improving levels of competition in regiments not slated to finish on top of this current season's standings is essential for the relative "health" of the community. So.. whether I'll get any feedback or not, this is a general call to any interested parties: melee training. I don't know how many are interested/require any help I can give, but for my final initiative as CR i'll be committing to essentially consult for regiments wishing to improve thier melee.
Note I am in the 30th and have no plans to leave - but I will help train any regiment as long as scheduling will allow it (and with less competitive events than my previous regiment/NAPL match ban my schedule is fairly open).
Rebuilding a competitive line? I can help. Improving your loyal base? I can help. Got a ton of new recruits? I gotchu.

On another note, cavalry season has ended. Congratulations to everyone who played with the 1stMI in our inaugural season! If you want to set up a cav 1v1 hmu but don't expect anything serious.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: SillyWilly on July 22, 2017, 08:17:37 pm
Good work, Theodin!

As far as your offer with the melee help, I don't think the groups that would actually benefit from this are the type of groups to browse this forum. If you want a bit more access into the casual scene let me know and we can get that done.

Also, what do you think about helping host a cav-inf tourny? Something like, pairing up a good melee player with a good cav player, and having them fight a similar team? For example. And it wouldn't be as crazy as Godfried's all-stars though lol.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: Theodin on July 22, 2017, 08:30:03 pm
Good work, Theodin!

As far as your offer with the melee help, I don't think the groups that would actually benefit from this are the type of groups to browse this forum. If you want a bit more access into the casual scene let me know and we can get that done.

Also, what do you think about helping host a cav-inf tourny? Something like, pairing up a good melee player with a good cav player, and having them fight a similar team? For example. And it wouldn't be as crazy as Godfried's all-stars though lol.
Both would be nice to do.
I've been spreading the word around infantry and have already lined up a couple takers.
For that cav thing, that would be really cool.
Title: Re: Community Rep Post - June-July Term
Post by: ~NickCole~ on July 22, 2017, 09:02:34 pm
Good work, Theodin!

As far as your offer with the melee help, I don't think the groups that would actually benefit from this are the type of groups to browse this forum. If you want a bit more access into the casual scene let me know and we can get that done.

Also, what do you think about helping host a cav-inf tourny? Something like, pairing up a good melee player with a good cav player, and having them fight a similar team? For example. And it wouldn't be as crazy as Godfried's all-stars though lol.
The Cav-Inf Tournament sounds pretty cool. I think the EUs might of did something similar or did it with Officers and Inf.