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Are the "Oldest Pyramids of the world" that were found in Crimea, the real reason for the War?

Yes! Putin only took Crimea because of the alien pyramids.
13 (61.9%)
Yes! I don't believe that the pyramids were made by aliens, but I do believe that Russia took Crimea because of the incredible cultural treasures hidden inside them.
8 (38.1%)

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Offline Akko

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4456 on: April 05, 2015, 06:31:18 pm »
Wording is key, comrade. The articles never said all. I read one that even said only a handful were banned and very specific ones at that. Is it right for them to ban movies and shows? Of course not! But is over exaggerating helping the situation? No, it isn't.

http://uatoday.tv/news/ukraine-s-russian-movie-ban-explained-407709.html

Also, I recommend you read up on Russia banning films and shows.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/russia-ban-films-threaten-unity-764333
Sorta unrelated, but hilarious: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/russia-bans-swearing-arts
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4457 on: April 05, 2015, 09:31:06 pm »
No shit lol  ;)
Yes, if you give this as "Poroshenko recently forbid all films that paint a positive picture of Russia.":
1. 'Poroshenko recently forbid' - no, changes to the law were issued and voted  by Parliament, so literally they forbad it, not him; POP just signed to make it works
2. 'all films that paint a positive picture of' - again no, prohibition relates only to the films and tv-series "which contains popularization, agitation, propaganda etc. of the any actions of law enforcement, armed forces and other armed, military or security forces of a state-occupier" - so only to the some part from all the amount of films.
3. 'Russia' - there isn't a single word 'Russia' in the text of law, however it presents in explanatory note why such changes should be voted, and since Russia is recognized as occupier - yes, their films become prohibited by this changes. Although this changes isn't especially anti-russian inherently (if we recognize f.e. USA as occupier, their films will become forbidden too) - it intended to protect our information environment, so all is ok with this changes.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4458 on: April 05, 2015, 09:48:25 pm »
It's a pity that they don't forbit Russian gas however.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4459 on: April 05, 2015, 11:09:24 pm »
It's a pity that they don't forbit Russian gas however.
I'm actually wondering why Russia is still sending gas to Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4460 on: April 05, 2015, 11:17:30 pm »
It's a pity that they don't forbit Russian gas however.
I'm actually wondering why Russia is still sending gas to Ukraine.

surely you realise that nothing matters in the world more than money


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4461 on: April 05, 2015, 11:42:51 pm »
It's a pity that they don't forbit Russian gas however.
I'm actually wondering why Russia is still sending gas to Ukraine.

surely you realise that nothing matters in the world more than money
There are more than enough people who would pay for the oil.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4462 on: April 05, 2015, 11:54:17 pm »
It's a pity that they don't forbit Russian gas however.
I'm actually wondering why Russia is still sending gas to Ukraine.

surely you realise that nothing matters in the world more than money
There are more than enough people who would pay for the oil.

when did gas become oil?

they make more profit by selling it to ukraine anyways


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4463 on: April 05, 2015, 11:58:35 pm »
It's a pity that they don't forbit Russian gas however.
I'm actually wondering why Russia is still sending gas to Ukraine.

surely you realise that nothing matters in the world more than money
There are more than enough people who would pay for the oil.

when did gas become oil?
I misspelled it by accident.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4464 on: April 06, 2015, 12:04:34 am »
I would rather say that the reason is that an important pipeline goes through Ukraine, and through this pipeline they can sell to other European countries like Germany. It would be foolish to stop selling gas to Ukraine as long as they accept to pay.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4465 on: April 06, 2015, 12:46:18 am »
The Ukraine still owes Russia/Gazprom a rather large sum of apprx 2 - 5 billion dollars as the Ukraine has been behind in its payments for some time. Russia might be shooting itself in the foot if it ceased deliveries though. I think they still hope to recoup their losses at some point. And as Max stated they wouldn't just be loosing one customer. One of the big problems is that the Ukraine entered into a contract with Russia that obligated it to buy a certain amount of gas per year. The Ukraine recently paid off about 1.65 billion dollars that debt after Russia threatened to shut down the gas supply.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/12/24/ukraine-pays-overdue-gazprom-debt-for-russian-gas/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/28/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-gazprom-idUSKBN0E81C720140528

I am wondering that if given the gas supplies to Europe from Russia run through the Ukraine; whether or not Europe might place pressure on the Ukraine to continue its repayments. The EU did offer to pay off half the debt a while back.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4466 on: April 06, 2015, 11:26:05 am »
I found this last year and recently discovered it again. It's an interactive map of the war in Ukraine.
http://liveuamap.com/

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« Reply #4467 on: April 06, 2015, 12:01:22 pm »
Yep. It's not really very reliable, though. Troop movement reports are dodgy at best and news of renewed offenses and battles often come days after they begin. It's also just not very accurate map-wise. Still interesting tho.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4468 on: April 06, 2015, 05:34:30 pm »
Fascist leader Yarosh was appointed recently at the Minisitry of Defense and his militia will now be funded by the Ukrainian state. A perfect body guard for the Chocolate King.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4469 on: April 06, 2015, 06:16:31 pm »
Pravy Sektor isn't fascist, Yarosh is an elected MP, he has been appointed advisor, and the Ukrainian Volunteer Corps, the military part of Pravy Sektor, will become part of the Ukrainian Armed forces just like the rest of the volunteer battalions, so that it can be better equipped, trained and controlled. It must be said that the UVC has performed much better then most of the other volunteer batallions, and hasn't even been accused of any sort of misbehavior.

Don't be dramatic, MaxLam.