I think the thought of banning the flag is just ridiculous. If I had a Mexican flag and went and murdered a group of people are we going to ban that flag too?
Just a "fun" fact:
Hitler banned the same flag during the third reich.. :P
Just a "fun" fact:
Hitler banned the same flag during the third reich.. :P
History repeats itself
American flag t-shirt and shorts.I think the thought of banning the flag is just ridiculous. If I had a Mexican flag and went and murdered a group of people are we going to ban that flag too?
But if you did it with a USA flag.....
Next step:Ban all flags so people don't get offended.
Apple banned games with the Dixie Flag in the game ;)
It's obvious another civil war is going to start.How about we change it up with West vs. East for humor sake.
The Confederates will rise up again and manufacture more flags. And then another civil war.
West is too blazed to fight a war.Ikr just going to sit in the Santa Cruz mountains with my pot plants and watch shit go down.
I agree with Ry, the flag represents a country divided, not united. And nor glorius time nor something to be proud of. Everyone has a different meaning towards the flag, for example black people's ancestors might've been slaves in the south, seeing that flag pretty sure is not a pleasure, and has nothing to do with the USA. We are united, showing off this flag to show I don't like USA, I'm a rebel etc, we'll definitely good idea to ban it.No just no. You left me fucking speechless.
I agree with Ry, the flag represents a country divided, not united. And nor glorius time nor something to be proud of. Everyone has a different meaning towards the flag, for example black people's ancestors might've been slaves in the south, seeing that flag pretty sure is not a pleasure, and has nothing to do with the USA. We are united, showing off this flag to show I don't like USA, I'm a rebel etc, we'll definitely good idea to ban it.
The conservative commentator was particularly critical of Warner Bros. for canceling production of a toy replica of the "Dukes of Hazzard" car, The General Lee, which features the Confederate battle flag.
"Warner Brothers announced they will remove the Confederate flag from atop one of the most famous cars in television history," Starnes said. "Maybe they could just paint a rainbow flag on top and rename it 'The General Sherman.' He culturally cleansed the South too. Just ask the good people of Atlanta."
I mean i am conflicted on the issue, for example i support the original confederacy and what they fought and died for. But during the civil rights movement white hate groups used the confederate flag to represent their hatred. So i don't really know what should be done...
Instead of banning a fucking flag, They should ban their retarded gun use for civilians, Might get somewhere then. Yanks.......
Instead of banning a fucking flag, They should ban their retarded gun use for civilians, Might get somewhere then. Yanks.......That's a whole different fucking issue which we can discuss later.
Get the guns out of the hands of your idiotic uneducated scum, And you might have less massacres.You ever think it might be more of a cultural problem?
I mean i am conflicted on the issue, for example i support the original confederacy and what they fought and died for. But during the civil rights movement white hate groups used the confederate flag to represent their hatred. So i don't really know what should be done...
These hate groups don't represent the Confederacy and what it stood for though.
The face of edgy 16 year old Europe, ladies and gentlemen!A 'grown up adult of America' ladies and gents, you'd kiss your own shit if it had a US flag on.
Here in Spain the news didn't told too much about this, just mentioned that after that crazy child kill that people, a lot of citizens start to claim to remove the Dixie Flag from the public buildings cause it represents razism ...
The problem is that people already thinks that the slavery was the cause of the ACW, the tv news in Spain says that the confederates states was plactically "nazis".
I think the flag must not be banned, but it must be removed from the public buildings, it not represents an other country, it represents a part of the country, but it doesn't be the official flag of the country.
We have few civil wars in spain, the most famous is the last, in 1936, the Republican Side lost the war, but the flag is not banned, just can't be used in the public buildings or politic events.
All history lovers, and ACW lovers know what the Dixie Flag and the CSA Flag represents, we just need to tell the people that true. By the moment my Dixie Flag will be in my wall, Obama can come here and try to remove it ;)Spoiler(https://i.gyazo.com/d3d3cc7429a6ea279a21c321d02ae1c6.png)[close]
The face of edgy 16 year old Europe, ladies and gentlemen!A 'grown up adult of America' ladies and gents, you'd kiss your own shit if it had a US flag on.
Anyway, to argue against the fact that guns are the source for massacres is a fools argument, so i'll be kind and i'm not gonna waste my time on you.
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I think it's stupid, unnecessary, and used for the wrong reason. They should also remove immigrant Indians from the legislatures of Louisiana and South Carolina and let us southerners be the racists we're supposed to be.
>owns multiple guns
>doesn't have to have an f150
>is not a member of the teaparty
Just to clear out, it is a pretty flag :DIt is a good looking flag. And yes, it is just a bloody flag. Let it be so.
Because burning flags is always a solution to controversy. Great point Howe. :DBlaze it like I do at home
Instead of banning a fucking flag, They should ban their retarded gun use for civilians, Might get somewhere then. Yanks.......
yah Reznov may be missing a marble or a few.Instead of banning a fucking flag, They should ban their retarded gun use for civilians, Might get somewhere then. Yanks.......
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I think you are talking about 18th century Europe, But if this is what you are teached on school you cant help it. Can you even name 5 European country's? lolYou're one of those people that spew so much bullshit it just leaves me in shock and aw.
I knew you couldnt name 5 hehe, Annyway, unlike you i dont have whole day to argue with idiots so i'll leave it here. I wish you good day "friend"
I just can quote this song.. the lyrics are best for this topic. To bad, that People are just looking at the same topic every time (slavery), in the whole discussion.. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fRU2tlE5m8
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I knew you couldnt name 5 hehe, Annyway, unlike you i dont have whole day to argue with idiots so i'll leave it here. I wish you good day "friend"
What country are you from, friend?
What are you doing here Alaasdairo xD Please no memes here.
To try to get this back on topic, Apple has decided to remove American Civil War games, or any game that has it, from the appstore because of them conaining the flag. Now that's crazy. Removing an educational game because of the flag? Honestly, it's the developers that are taking the biggest hit from it.
I think it's good that it's banned.
"Down with the traitor and up with the star"
Everyone is getting salty about a flag,I think it's good that it's banned.
"Down with the traitor and up with the star"
bait
To try to get this back on topic, Apple has decided to remove American Civil War games, or any game that has it, from the appstore because of them conaining the flag. Now that's crazy. Removing an educational game because of the flag? Honestly, it's the developers that are taking the biggest hit from it.
+1 to the makers of Ultimate General: Gettysburg
They were offered to have their game reinstated if they altered its content to conform to the new rule against confederate flags. They flat out refused.
http://www.ultimategeneral.com/blog/our-game-has-been-removed-from-appstore
Foreshadowing of the next step?:
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/03/08/student-u-s-flag-banned-to-avoid-triggering-hurt-feelings-among-illegals/
In that case Reznov can go fuck himself.I knew you couldnt name 5 hehe, Annyway, unlike you i dont have whole day to argue with idiots so i'll leave it here. I wish you good day "friend"
What country are you from, friend?
He's Dutch
A disgrace, saying the civil war was to abolish slavery is like saying WW2 was to save Jews, as if wars are ever that simple. So many more people have died and been enslaved under the Union flag and it's cherished by ignorant people.
How many people have posted on this thread that are Union supporters?I'm one of those 3 :P
3?
How many people have posted on this thread that are Union supporters?
3?
A disgrace, saying the civil war was to abolish slavery is like saying WW2 was to save Jews, as if wars are ever that simple. So many more people have died and been enslaved under the Union flag and it's cherished by ignorant people.
How many people have posted on this thread that are Union supporters?
3?
Sure, btw Fieldshire. Im happy for you; because since yesterday you can finaly marry your boyfriend. Have fun. cunt.I'd be happy to marry my man March.
A disgrace, saying the civil war was to abolish slavery is like saying WW2 was to save Jews, as if wars are ever that simple. So many more people have died and been enslaved under the Union flag and it's cherished by ignorant people.I think the most simple way to explain why the Civil War started was because of the slavery, or at least the most "humane". Instead of saying all the other stuff about the diferences between the North and the South.
Instead of banning a fucking flag, They should ban their retarded gun use for civilians, Might get somewhere then. Yanks.......
True, but thats another topic :PInstead of banning a fucking flag, They should ban their retarded gun use for civilians, Might get somewhere then. Yanks.......
Pretty much yes. I would assume flags doesnt kill ppl, even in the hands of extremely stupid ppl. But guns on the other hand...
A disgrace, saying the civil war was to abolish slavery is like saying WW2 was to save Jews, as if wars are ever that simple. So many more people have died and been enslaved under the Union flag and it's cherished by ignorant people.I think the most simple way to explain why the Civil War started was because of the slavery, or at least the most "humane". Instead of saying all the other stuff about the diferences between the North and the South.
Guys if you're happy buying an Iphone then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Guys if you're happy buying Nike shoes then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Guys if you're happy eating eggs/meat/fish that isn't free ranged then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Islam is coming.
Guys if you're happy buying an Iphone then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Guys if you're happy buying Nike shoes then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Guys if you're happy eating eggs/meat/fish that isn't free ranged then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Islam is coming.
America is coming back to the Middle East
Guys if you're happy buying an Iphone then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Guys if you're happy buying Nike shoes then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Guys if you're happy eating eggs/meat/fish that isn't free ranged then you really have a narrow minded view on the world.
Islam is coming.
America is coming back to the Middle East
Most of them have Migrated to the UK/EU, there's no need.
Back to the topic please ;)
How many people have posted on this thread that are Union supporters?"Union supporters"...? I don't support any of the sides...
3?
(https://i.gyazo.com/aab9d279627ff9091a225720b2dc2c4a.png)How many people have posted on this thread that are Union supporters?"Union supporters"...? I don't support any of the sides...
3?
They say the Dixie Battle Flag is a pro-slavery flag. If that's true then surely the battle flags of revolutionary America should be banned too. After all the British were freeing the slaves and the Rebels were demanding their re-enslavement.
It just shows that the winners write the history...
They say the Dixie Battle Flag is a pro-slavery flag. If that's true then surely the battle flags of revolutionary America should be banned too. After all the British were freeing the slaves and the Rebels were demanding their re-enslavement.
It just shows that the winners write the history...
Is it really that hard to understand that I don't support any of the REAL sides...? This is just a forum and a game, mate.(https://i.gyazo.com/aab9d279627ff9091a225720b2dc2c4a.png)How many people have posted on this thread that are Union supporters?"Union supporters"...? I don't support any of the sides...
3?
They say the Dixie Battle Flag is a pro-slavery flag. If that's true then surely the battle flags of revolutionary America should be banned too. After all the British were freeing the slaves and the Rebels were demanding their re-enslavement.
It just shows that the winners write the history...
Your knowledge of history is a little bit wrong.
They say the Dixie Battle Flag is a pro-slavery flag. If that's true then surely the battle flags of revolutionary America should be banned too. After all the British were freeing the slaves and the Rebels were demanding their re-enslavement.
It just shows that the winners write the history...
Your knowledge of history is a little bit wrong.
xDYeah, laugh, boy'o. People might not understand that this is just a game, not real life.
They say the Dixie Battle Flag is a pro-slavery flag. If that's true then surely the battle flags of revolutionary America should be banned too. After all the British were freeing the slaves and the Rebels were demanding their re-enslavement.
It just shows that the winners write the history...
Your knowledge of history is a little bit wrong.
And your knowledge of History is non existent?
America is so fucked.... and again, true, but thats another topic... ;)
You help fund an organisation that turns into a terrorist organisation that attacks you and other countries around the war and then invade other countries, Iraq and Afghanistan and then tens of thousands of innocent people, only to leave the countries in a worse state then they was, for only a new terrorist organisation, ISIS, to rise and take over half of the Middle east, yet you will not admit it's your fault for all of this shit the Middle East is in.
Why Europeans hate Merica' so much :'(
A disgrace, saying the civil war was to abolish slavery is like saying WW2 was to save Jews, as if wars are ever that simple. So many more people have died and been enslaved under the Union flag and it's cherished by ignorant people.I think the most simple way to explain why the Civil War started was because of the slavery, or at least the most "humane". Instead of saying all the other stuff about the diferences between the North and the South.
True, but thats another topic :PInstead of banning a fucking flag, They should ban their retarded gun use for civilians, Might get somewhere then. Yanks.......
Pretty much yes. I would assume flags doesnt kill ppl, even in the hands of extremely stupid ppl. But guns on the other hand...
Do it.
Junedragon's "inner historian" is comparing German Jews to American Negros.UGH. Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said
Germany 1933: 500,000+ Jews, 67 million inhabitants = 0.75%
Conclusion: It would be stupid indeed to believe that the Jewish question was the main cause of the war.
Confederate population: 9 million inhabitants, 3,500,000 black slaves = 39%
Conclusion: It would be stupid to deny that slavery, which was the main mode of production in the South, wasn't the "cornerstorne" of the problem as Confederate vice-president Stephens admitted in his speech:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/
Since the mode of production in the South was completely different and clearly backkward, war was inevitable. Saying that there is other causes for the American Civil War, denying the importance and primacy of slavery, would be like saying that the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was the main cause for WWI.
You can't really say that Lee opposed slavery when you know what he did with the slaves that he inherited from his wife's father. He was supposed to free them within five years, but instead of freeing them immediately, Lee exploited them during 5 years.I was going to make a snide comment, but I decided not to, because it's not like it would change your views, which I can perfectly understand, of course. I hate the fact that one man can stand over another and call them an unequal, but I am a huge history buff and I like to pay attention to details that are often overlooked.
As for the number of slave owners, apparently it was one third of Southern families, which is a lot imo. If you compare to nowadays capitalism, i'm not sure that one third of our families own the means of production.
But that's irrelevant anyway. As you can imagine, your political and economical influence grows with the number of slaves you possess.
How come when anyone gets into a civil war argument about slavery, they state Lee and Stonewall didn't own slaves like the both of them represented the entire south lol. Just because those two didn't own slaves dosent mean others in the south didn't... "Oh! Lee and Stonewall didn't own slaves so that means the civil war had nothing to do with slavery!"Junedragon's "inner historian" is comparing German Jews to American Negros.UGH. Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said
Germany 1933: 500,000+ Jews, 67 million inhabitants = 0.75%
Conclusion: It would be stupid indeed to believe that the Jewish question was the main cause of the war.
Confederate population: 9 million inhabitants, 3,500,000 black slaves = 39%
Conclusion: It would be stupid to deny that slavery, which was the main mode of production in the South, wasn't the "cornerstorne" of the problem as Confederate vice-president Stephens admitted in his speech:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/
Since the mode of production in the South was completely different and clearly backkward, war was inevitable. Saying that there is other causes for the American Civil War, denying the importance and primacy of slavery, would be like saying that the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was the main cause for WWI.
but I am a huge history buff and I like to pay attention to details that are often overlooked.
Well, if you're in the US, you'd know that there are quite a few idiots in our country, and they're always looking for someone to blame. First, they blamed our flag. Then, they started blaming Lee, the leader of the Army of Northern Virginia. All I'm doing by stating this is the fact that Lee only led the Confederacy in battle, and had nothing to do with all your political crap that you're stating. He was fighting for his home. He was fighting for Virginia. What I'm saying is that people, which may include you, looking at what you just said, should go blame someone else, and research your history before blaming generals fighting for their homelands. Do you honestly think that the soldiers, marching toward their deaths, were thinking in their heads: "For the preservation of slavery!" No. Most of them were fighting for their state, which so happened to be in the Confederacy. And it wouldn't matter which side they were on, it was usually state, then country.How come when anyone gets into a civil war argument about slavery, they state Lee and Stonewall didn't own slaves like the both of them represented the entire south lol. Just because those two didn't own slaves dosent mean others in the south didn't... "Oh! Lee and Stonewall didn't own slaves so that means the civil war had nothing to do with slavery!"Junedragon's "inner historian" is comparing German Jews to American Negros.UGH. Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said
Germany 1933: 500,000+ Jews, 67 million inhabitants = 0.75%
Conclusion: It would be stupid indeed to believe that the Jewish question was the main cause of the war.
Confederate population: 9 million inhabitants, 3,500,000 black slaves = 39%
Conclusion: It would be stupid to deny that slavery, which was the main mode of production in the South, wasn't the "cornerstorne" of the problem as Confederate vice-president Stephens admitted in his speech:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/
Since the mode of production in the South was completely different and clearly backkward, war was inevitable. Saying that there is other causes for the American Civil War, denying the importance and primacy of slavery, would be like saying that the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was the main cause for WWI.
Cleary you overlook glaring and obvious facts too, since you totally ignored the rest of that post, stating that I never have and never will be for the ownership of slaves.Quotebut I am a huge history buff and I like to pay attention to details that are often overlooked.
"I'm a history buff who ignores glaring and obvious facts, and therefore my opinion is more respectable!"
Pure ideology.
UGH. Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said
Your argument:You still don't get it. It was long established in the union and in the confederacy. As I've said twice to you, I never have been for slavery. And the civil war didn't start because of it. The south's secession was because of slavery. Typical Liberal democrat.QuoteUGH. Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said
Ignores glaring and obvious historical realities. It was the stated mission of the confederate government to uphold slavery within its territory. Slavery was the core of the southern economy and indispensable to its well-being. Slavery was the chief issue which led to the secession of the confederate states. Slavery was the driving issue in politics at the time in the US, and had been for several decades before the war.
I'm not saying the civil war was entirely about slavery nor am I saying Lee or stonewall were bad people. I'm just saying a lot of people use those two as an excuse that the civil war had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. In my defense, you did make it sound like you were saying that in one of your last posts.And I perfectly understand. I'm not always clear :). I just thought that you were one of those people who likes to find excuses to blame the confederacy for slavery and saying that slavery was what it was always about. I perfectly know that part of it was about slavery, and I have always been against slavery.
Junedragon's "inner historian" is comparing German Jews to American Negros.
Germany 1933: 500,000+ Jews, 67 million inhabitants = 0.75%
Conclusion: It would be stupid indeed to believe that the Jewish question was the main cause of the war.
Confederate population: 9 million inhabitants, 3,500,000 black slaves = 39%
Conclusion: It would be stupid to deny that slavery, which was the main mode of production in the South, wasn't the "cornerstorne" of the problem as Confederate vice-president Stephens admitted in his speech:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/
Since the mode of production in the South was completely different and clearly backkward, war was inevitable. Saying that there is other causes for the American Civil War, denying the importance and primacy of slavery, would be like saying that the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was the main cause for WWI.
That said, it would be equally foolhardy to disregard all the other factors in play and simply treat the entire war as a glorious crusade of the freedom loving North against the evil slave loving South, as some do.
QuoteThat said, it would be equally foolhardy to disregard all the other factors in play and simply treat the entire war as a glorious crusade of the freedom loving North against the evil slave loving South, as some do.
I think it's also foolhardy to believe that there are a large number of people who actually belief this to be the case. Living in the north, I've never really heard anyone say that the North is above all evil and that the civil war was fought to destroy the evil south and free the slaves who the north loved and idolized. Most people who dislike the confederacy also dislike the Union. Because, you know, the natives and shit. And the millions of other people who've been displaced and murdered at the hands of the US government.
How could slavery be the cause of the civil war if slavery wasn't an issue until halfway into the war?
How could slavery be the cause of the civil war if slavery wasn't an issue until halfway into the war?lol, Are you serious?
Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said
Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said
Ah.. I love statistics.. but thats SO wrong. 8 % of the southern population owned 1-4 black slaves.. another 8% were those big plantages owners which had more (so 16% slave owners in the south). There were even some hundrets of free-black man in the south, which owned slaves too!
Beside that, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! General Sherman had many slaves that served him until after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
Also don't forget, that the Union had slave states too...
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This has gone from "thoughts about confederate flag being banned" to how many slaves did everyone own? lol
Bravo. Btw it's not bannedThis has gone from "thoughts about confederate flag being banned" to how many slaves did everyone own? lol
Its okay.. its an important topic ;)
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Who would want to ban it in a historical video game? Except Apple.But I thought by looking at all of your posts in the previous pages, you were against keeping the flag for people to see? nvm. Anyway, that's so true, and I don't get why game companies and retailers are banning them.
I'm against keeping the flag in public spaces. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't have it in games, films, museums and places dedicated to the memory of the war.and in private property...
They don't give half a shit about the flag - it's just for publicity. Same as all the companies changing their logos to promote gay marriage. Just a stunt.So true.
They don't give half a shit about the flag - it's just for publicity. Same as all the companies changing their logos to promote gay marriage. Just a stunt.So true.
lol that's also so trueThey don't give half a shit about the flag - it's just for publicity. Same as all the companies changing their logos to promote gay marriage. Just a stunt.So true.
Careful now, criticizing/disagreeing with anything that supports (well, claims to support) gay marriage/LGBTQ rights in any way makes you a homophobic bigoted dinosaur who needs to check your privilege dontchaknow.
When I was a child, I was playing with that:
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Although I prefered the colour of the uniform, that never made me a bad person.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".
FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery.
FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.Exacty how long did you spend copy pasting that? I support your ideals but, dude, leave it be
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".
FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery.
FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
Get ready for another civil war after the 2016 elections.Republican all the way.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".
FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery.
FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.I think those portuguese were more likely to be spanish :P Remember some "small" spanish colonies in North America? Plus Portugal abolished slavery during 1761 and 1777 in mailand and the nearby islands and finally in 1869 in the colonies. And banned slave trade in 1836...
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
- "Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!!"
It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. [...] Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over?Revisionist nonsense.
It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag.Stupid and shameful statement. War, as Clausewitz said, is a mere continuation of politics by other means.
A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.And yet they seceded to defend their "peculiar institution"? They were probably stupid. ;D
The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.Who said something like that? Do you seriously believe that anyone said that all soldiers of the Confederate Army were rich? Lmao. No, but it's a fact that 1/3 of their soldiers owned slaves or came from slave-owning families, and half of their officer owned slaves.
IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence.WTF. War is not violence now? Such nonsense.
Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home.OMG. The difference is that in the North they were free, while in the South they were slaves. On March 13, 1865,the Confederate Congress passed a bill to enlist black men, but the bill never said that they would obtain their freedom. Now you might be able to find some slaves who fought with the Union, and some free African Americans who fought for the South, but you can't dismiss the main idea: While the North started giving their liberty to slaves who enlisted in the army decades before the American Civil War, the South enlisted slaves.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.That's probably true, at least until the importation of Africans was banned. But it's not because some people in the North were guilty and made profits from slavery that the South is less guilty. Nobody claimed that the North was perfect.
. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.It's true that some Union states allowed slavery, the 5 of them had a border with the South and 4 of them were under the Mason-Dixon line. Actual northern states, however, had very few slaves. According to the 1790 census, 94 percent of the 698,000 U.S. slaves lived below the Mason-Dixon Line. Missouri was the only slave state above the Mason-Dixon line.
I cant help but laugh heartily every time someone refers to it as "the War of Northern Aggression".* Fires first shot* " War of Northern Aggression!! "
I cant help but laugh heartily every time someone refers to it as "the War of Northern Aggression".
Question: Not trying to link the confederacy and Nazi Germany, but the nazi flag doesn't appear in any of our games really (hearts of iron, men of war), so do you think the confederate flag will be banned from games?Just the fact of having a thought about banning flags from games is just stupid, its against the free speach of games...
Apple has already taken apps off of the app store for having the Confederate flag in them...Question: Not trying to link the confederacy and Nazi Germany, but the nazi flag doesn't appear in any of our games really (hearts of iron, men of war), so do you think the confederate flag will be banned from games?Just the fact of having a thought about banning flags from games is just stupid, its against the free speach of games...
Question: Not trying to link the confederacy and Nazi Germany, but the nazi flag doesn't appear in any of our games really (hearts of iron, men of war), so do you think the confederate flag will be banned from games?
Apple has already taken apps off of the app store for having the Confederate flag in them...Question: Not trying to link the confederacy and Nazi Germany, but the nazi flag doesn't appear in any of our games really (hearts of iron, men of war), so do you think the confederate flag will be banned from games?Just the fact of having a thought about banning flags from games is just stupid, its against the free speach of games...
Apple has already taken apps off of the app store for having the Confederate flag in them...Question: Not trying to link the confederacy and Nazi Germany, but the nazi flag doesn't appear in any of our games really (hearts of iron, men of war), so do you think the confederate flag will be banned from games?Just the fact of having a thought about banning flags from games is just stupid, its against the free speach of games...
Pretty sure the one you are meaning is the Ultimate General Gettysburg,and after the first day of taking it down, it was put back by the Apple.
Lol this thread. My family owned slaves, a lot of slaves. Descendants of those slaves are still alive today and they took on my family's name. Why the fuck is everyone discussing how many slaves a certain group owned or which area had the most free blacks. Slavery was apart of the South, just as it had been apart of the US, Brasil, Netherlands, France, Denmark, Britain, etc. It was considered normal. Slavery wasnt some uncommon thing that was pushed into the farthest corners of society by the non-slave owning populations. Rather it was paraded around, it was common, and it was rather unsurprising for a wealthy Southern/Northern family to own slaves or have owned slaves. If you want to go on and on about what is right and what is wrong, then think about this. Slavery at one point in time was considered just, deal with it. Slavery is wrong, we know that. But back then, many saw it as the norm. Fighting over who owned the most slaves or who freed their slaves first makes you look like an idiot. I don't see anyone going after the fact that the US was founded by men who believed that a race war would erupt between whites and blacks. Jefferson was an ardent racist and so was Washington and many other Founding Fathers. Many Founding Fathers supported pushing west into Indian territory and the forced removal and destruction of the native peoples. It was the thought process of the time. Does it make it right? No, of course not. But condeming one nation and yet supporting another nation that has done the exact same thing is hypocritical. Hundreds of countries have owned slaves, conquered nations, colonised, and spawned men that considered this all a-ok. We might as well ban every Western European country's flag because at some point in time they oppressed another people.
Lol this thread. My family owned slaves, a lot of slaves. Descendants of those slaves are still alive today and they took on my family's name. Why the fuck is everyone discussing how many slaves a certain group owned or which area had the most free blacks. Slavery was apart of the South, just as it had been apart of the US, Brasil, Netherlands, France, Denmark, Britain, etc. It was considered normal. Slavery wasnt some uncommon thing that was pushed into the farthest corners of society by the non-slave owning populations. Rather it was paraded around, it was common, and it was rather unsurprising for a wealthy Southern/Northern family to own slaves or have owned slaves. If you want to go on and on about what is right and what is wrong, then think about this. Slavery at one point in time was considered just, deal with it. Slavery is wrong, we know that. But back then, many saw it as the norm. Fighting over who owned the most slaves or who freed their slaves first makes you look like an idiot. I don't see anyone going after the fact that the US was founded by men who believed that a race war would erupt between whites and blacks. Jefferson was an ardent racist and so was Washington and many other Founding Fathers. Many Founding Fathers supported pushing west into Indian territory and the forced removal and destruction of the native peoples. It was the thought process of the time. Does it make it right? No, of course not. But condeming one nation and yet supporting another nation that has done the exact same thing is hypocritical. Hundreds of countries have owned slaves, conquered nations, colonised, and spawned men that considered this all a-ok. We might as well ban every Western European country's flag because at some point in time they oppressed another people.
LolwutLol this thread. My family owned slaves, a lot of slaves. Descendants of those slaves are still alive today and they took on my family's name. Why the fuck is everyone discussing how many slaves a certain group owned or which area had the most free blacks. Slavery was apart of the South, just as it had been apart of the US, Brasil, Netherlands, France, Denmark, Britain, etc. It was considered normal. Slavery wasnt some uncommon thing that was pushed into the farthest corners of society by the non-slave owning populations. Rather it was paraded around, it was common, and it was rather unsurprising for a wealthy Southern/Northern family to own slaves or have owned slaves. If you want to go on and on about what is right and what is wrong, then think about this. Slavery at one point in time was considered just, deal with it. Slavery is wrong, we know that. But back then, many saw it as the norm. Fighting over who owned the most slaves or who freed their slaves first makes you look like an idiot. I don't see anyone going after the fact that the US was founded by men who believed that a race war would erupt between whites and blacks. Jefferson was an ardent racist and so was Washington and many other Founding Fathers. Many Founding Fathers supported pushing west into Indian territory and the forced removal and destruction of the native peoples. It was the thought process of the time. Does it make it right? No, of course not. But condeming one nation and yet supporting another nation that has done the exact same thing is hypocritical. Hundreds of countries have owned slaves, conquered nations, colonised, and spawned men that considered this all a-ok. We might as well ban every Western European country's flag because at some point in time they oppressed another people.
+1
Was that name Akkovic?
if you feel triggered fuck off to tumblr you sjw degenerates.>>>/pol/
In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.
You most likely just summed up the majority of the USA's population.In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.
In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.
How about we reincarnate them and ask them?In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.
The flag of the confederacy does not represent the soldiers who fought for it. Removing it does not defile their memory. What a retarded statement.
How about we reincarnate them and ask them?In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.
The flag of the confederacy does not represent the soldiers who fought for it. Removing it does not defile their memory. What a retarded statement.
In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.
The flag of the confederacy does not represent the soldiers who fought for it. Removing it does not defile their memory. What a retarded statement.
SpoilerNobody thinks the flag only represents racism. Of course it is a part of history, but when it is still flying on a government building and was set there for the soul purpose of opposing the civil rights movement, there shouldn't be much question in your mind as to its legitimacy. I don't support a ban on the confederate flag, and these companies like Apple who are removing it from the app store are being silly - clearly just to appease their shareholders.
The thing is though, regardless of its legal status in the US, the confederate flag does not really represent a noble cause. You can claim all you like that the confederacy did not fight for the continuation of slavery, but every historical document and source of information speaks otherwise. It simply is not true that the civil war was not fought primarily over slavery. It was a debate that had been raging for decades before the outbreak of the war, and in almost every single declaration of secession published from each state of the confederacy, upholding slavery was clearly stated as their primary cause. The south plainly and simply did not want to abolish slavery. It's understandable of course, considering the entire livelihood of the south dependent on slavery as an established institution, and I'm not entirely sure how anyone could deny this with the historical resources available to us on the internet today, but all the same, it's quite clear what the confederacy stood for, and it's quite clear to me that their cause was not one of honor or nobility.[close]
SpoilerNobody thinks the flag only represents racism. Of course it is a part of history, but when it is still flying on a government building and was set there for the soul purpose of opposing the civil rights movement, there shouldn't be much question in your mind as to its legitimacy. I don't support a ban on the confederate flag, and these companies like Apple who are removing it from the app store are being silly - clearly just to appease their shareholders.
The thing is though, regardless of its legal status in the US, the confederate flag does not really represent a noble cause. You can claim all you like that the confederacy did not fight for the continuation of slavery, but every historical document and source of information speaks otherwise. It simply is not true that the civil war was not fought primarily over slavery. It was a debate that had been raging for decades before the outbreak of the war, and in almost every single declaration of secession published from each state of the confederacy, upholding slavery was clearly stated as their primary cause. The south plainly and simply did not want to abolish slavery. It's understandable of course, considering the entire livelihood of the south dependent on slavery as an established institution, and I'm not entirely sure how anyone could deny this with the historical resources available to us on the internet today, but all the same, it's quite clear what the confederacy stood for, and it's quite clear to me that their cause was not one of honor or nobility.[close]
I view it as a War of Northern Aggression, to prove it you must look at the events of the year 1860/61. December 20th, 1860 South Carolina secedes.. stating simply that the soon to be crusade against slavery would threaten their constitutional rights. The word slavery is mentioned six times in their deceleration of succession but never about keeping their slaves, just that the Union would use it as a base to deny their rights. By the end of January 1861, six more states would leave the Union as independent republics, by February these seven states would join together and form a provisional government and label their nation as a confederation. In the months leading to April of 1861, the south would have taken over the garrisons of abandoned forts as well as arsenals in their states with the exception of South Carolina specifically, as well as visit Lincoln in Washington asking him to recognize their independence. By April 12th, the state of South Carolina will have asked on multiple occasions for the US to abandon Fort Sumter due to the Union's lack of jurisdiction, South Carolina is a independent state now. When they refuse Confederates and South Carolina bombard the fort, and with no casualties sustained the Union surrenders and returns home. Upon word of Sumter Lincoln calls to arms 75,000 troops to end what he called the "insurrection" of South Carolina which eventually leads to the other four states of South to secede and form an army by July and have those armies merge at Manassas and Bull Run Creek.
This is a noble of cause as is any, the ideals of slavery can't be denied and nobody truly argues that. Mississippi and Texas specifically mention the ability to maintain the institution of slavery. But the maintenance of this institution was mainly political, normal people who didn't own slaves (and even many confederate officers and generals who never owned slaves) didn't much care for the ideals of slavery. But when a force bigger than your own demands you to raise your arms against brothers, then invades your lands, destroys your houses, and occupies your inhabitance under military rule.. its something you fight for. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free all the slaves, it only freed the slaves in the South where they had no authority, meanwhile Union slave states like Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were allowed to maintain slavery and some didn't fully abolish the institution til the 1880's. So to demonize the Confederate cause as strictly slave related is incredibly incorrect.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/01/why-do-people-believe-myths-about-the-confederacy-because-our-textbooks-and-monuments-are-wrong/?postshare=811435843106111
Y'all should read the article I linked.http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/01/why-do-people-believe-myths-about-the-confederacy-because-our-textbooks-and-monuments-are-wrong/?postshare=811435843106111
SpoilerIf the war against slavery can be called a war of aggression, then how should we call slavery? Slavery is a permanent state of war and aggression. And this horrendous system was the main "right" of the South, its "peculiar institution". Defending the so-called 'rights' of the South meant violating the fundamental rights of Man.
Moreover, this war was a civil war, not just a war between North and South. Many people in the South were loyalists. Why don't you build memorials for the loyalists?
"Many southern soldiers remained loyal when their states seceded; 40% of Virginian officers in the United States military, for example, stayed with the Union.[4] During the war, many Southern Unionists went North and joined the Union armies. Others joined when Union armies entered their hometowns in Tennessee, Virginia, Arkansas, Louisiana and elsewhere. Over 100,000 Southern Unionists served in the Union Army during the Civil War, and every Southern state, except South Carolina, raised at least a battalion."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Unionist#cite_note-5
The Confederate flag is definitely not the flag of the whole South.[close]
Y'all should read the article I linked.http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/01/why-do-people-believe-myths-about-the-confederacy-because-our-textbooks-and-monuments-are-wrong/?postshare=811435843106111
There are quite a load of inaccuracies in that article that even their correction didn't note and I couldn't even mention without completely re-writing the article , as well as they do not give proper context to South Carolina's specific Deceleration of Secession but instead jumble their reasons with other reasons and the going hysteria. Its a much rather biased article, interesting as it is I wouldn't rely on it as defense to an argument or even to prove a point. When I went to school (Alabama btw) when the civil war was mentioned it depicted the war as being the conquest to end slavery in the south, there was never a glorified southern cause in that book, wasn't till I did independent research now that I am in my adult years that I truly formed an opinion. I see the cause of the abolition of slavery as nothing more than a parlor trick, to help the civilians rally behind a "righteous" cause to help make the Union not seem like the bad guy for invading the south. When the Union declared war, it wasn't for slavery but the containment of the Southern States and the tariffs as well as the agricultural industry they planned to take with them. It simply was a War of Northern Aggression. In the span of seven months the South formed and the North invaded.. Nothing more and nothing less.
There is nothing to be proud of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RwUJM6VoLI&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RwUJM6VoLI&feature=youtu.be)Oh my... I haven't laughed so hard for a long time, now! ;D
Complete with soundbits from the game.(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropboxusercontent.com%2Fu%2F19576530%2FMuh%2520Confederate.png&hash=3ed7a68849c3a3a16bc1f3a00594ace0220a3b11)
In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.I really hate people take anything Buzzfeed or CNN says as fact. Beck moi tchew. The flag was raised over the South Carolina State House for the opening of the Civil War centennial in 1961. Please don't try to lecture me about how you consider our flag racist. How many peoples were enslaved under the flag of France? How many peoples were conquered and slaughtered? How many laws were put in place in France to restrict the rights of minorities? Code Noir anyone? So before you go off judging other people, look at yourself.
Shameful statement. John Brown must turn in his grave.I actually highly respect John Brown. I also highly respect Henry Berry Lowrie.
That song was great, I want it played at my wedding.
Just a "fun" fact:
Hitler banned the same flag during the third reich.. :PNext step:
Apple banned games with the Dixie Flag in the game ;)
History repeats itself
Fuck the south :) gg jk, anyway.. if u fly that stupid confed. flag or Dixie flag, I feel liek you have problems trying to rise up against the governemtn, even though OBAMA is a bitch.. Donald Trump@2016
Fuck the south :) gg jk, anyway.. if u fly that stupid confed. flag or Dixie flag, I feel liek you have problems trying to rise up against the governemtn, even though OBAMA is a bitch.. Donald Trump@2016you must first understand the true meaning of the flag and the flyer's true reason for flying it.
in my opinion the modern american flag represents a tyrannical, war mongering nation.How was the CSA war mongering? They played a defensive war trying to keep the union out of the CSA states, and the only reason they went to war is that after seceding (at that point it was completely within their right to secede) the Union refused to remove their troops from the forts on CSA land. And they Seceded because they believed the new president (Lincoln) was going to take their economies foundation away (slavery). They were not war monger or tyrannical. They supported States rights so technically wouldn't the USA be more tyrannical then the CSA because the USA supported a strong central government instead of strong states rights.
lets ban it ;)
I think the CSA is pretty tyrannical considering they were fighting for slavery. Slavery is pretty bad, in my opinion.
Rabbit was moreso making a touche reply. He was most likely talking about the Union in particular, as the modern national flag of the U.S. today. The flawed logic being if a flag is a part of a war mongering nation then it can be deemed ban-able. Which I hope was sarcasm IMHO. Then the logic to ban a flag because it represents something people do not like, let alone something that some people find offensive. I find it rather grasping at straws that caused this whole controversy in the first place. K.K.K. members use the Confederate flag and some people call it racist because of the association the KKK made with the flag usage. The flag itself is a battle flag for crying out loud. So what it is affiliated with the CSA, some people want to outright erase history now? It seems deliberate and one-sided to make this a controversy. Maybe some people cannot handle history itself. He was making the case with that logic the U.S. flag should be banned in sarcasm as the U.S. was a war-mongering nation in the past. Recent wars may be debated as war-mongering. So in short Rabbit's reply was simply a touche remark to ponder. Just my two cents.in my opinion the modern american flag represents a tyrannical, war mongering nation.How was the CSA war mongering? They played a defensive war trying to keep the union out of the CSA states, and the only reason they went to war is that after seceding (at that point it was completely within their right to secede) the Union refused to remove their troops from the forts on CSA land. And they Seceded because they believed the new president (Lincoln) was going to take their economies foundation away (slavery). They were not war monger or tyrannical. They supported States rights so technically wouldn't the USA be more tyrannical then the CSA because the USA supported a strong central government instead of strong states rights.
lets ban it ;)
Rabbit was moreso making a touche reply. He was most likely talking about the Union in particular, as the modern national flag of the U.S. today. The flawed logic being if a flag is a part of a war mongering nation then it can be deemed ban-able. Which I hope was sarcasm IMHO. Then the logic to ban a flag because it represents something people do not like, let alone something that some people find offensive. I find it rather grasping at straws that caused this whole controversy in the first place. K.K.K. members use the Confederate flag and some people call it racist because of the association the KKK made with the flag usage. The flag itself is a battle flag for crying out loud. So what it is affiliated with the CSA, some people want to outright erase history now? It seems deliberate and one-sided to make this a controversy. Maybe some people cannot handle history itself. He was making the case with that logic the U.S. flag should be banned in sarcasm as the U.S. was a war-mongering nation in the past. Recent wars may be debated as war-mongering. So in short Rabbit's reply was simply a touche remark to ponder. Just my two cents.in my opinion the modern american flag represents a tyrannical, war mongering nation.How was the CSA war mongering? They played a defensive war trying to keep the union out of the CSA states, and the only reason they went to war is that after seceding (at that point it was completely within their right to secede) the Union refused to remove their troops from the forts on CSA land. And they Seceded because they believed the new president (Lincoln) was going to take their economies foundation away (slavery). They were not war monger or tyrannical. They supported States rights so technically wouldn't the USA be more tyrannical then the CSA because the USA supported a strong central government instead of strong states rights.
lets ban it ;)
SpoilerRabbit was moreso making a touche reply. He was most likely talking about the Union in particular, as the modern national flag of the U.S. today. The flawed logic being if a flag is a part of a war mongering nation then it can be deemed ban-able. Which I hope was sarcasm IMHO. Then the logic to ban a flag because it represents something people do not like, let alone something that some people find offensive. I find it rather grasping at straws that caused this whole controversy in the first place. K.K.K. members use the Confederate flag and some people call it racist because of the association the KKK made with the flag usage. The flag itself is a battle flag for crying out loud. So what it is affiliated with the CSA, some people want to outright erase history now? It seems deliberate and one-sided to make this a controversy. Maybe some people cannot handle history itself. He was making the case with that logic the U.S. flag should be banned in sarcasm as the U.S. was a war-mongering nation in the past. Recent wars may be debated as war-mongering. So in short Rabbit's reply was simply a touche remark to ponder. Just my two cents.in my opinion the modern american flag represents a tyrannical, war mongering nation.How was the CSA war mongering? They played a defensive war trying to keep the union out of the CSA states, and the only reason they went to war is that after seceding (at that point it was completely within their right to secede) the Union refused to remove their troops from the forts on CSA land. And they Seceded because they believed the new president (Lincoln) was going to take their economies foundation away (slavery). They were not war monger or tyrannical. They supported States rights so technically wouldn't the USA be more tyrannical then the CSA because the USA supported a strong central government instead of strong states rights.
lets ban it ;)[close]
Did you all know Hitler supported multiple instances of burning books and other historical documents in an attempt to erase any history that went against his ideals? Just a few weeks ago a group of people petitioned to remove all battle flags of northern VA from all CSA gravestones and to tear down the "Stonewall" Jackson monument because they claimed both were racist. Luckily the courts in northern VA denied their claim (because it was ridiculous) but if we were to follow in hitler's footsteps by attempting to erase history wouldn't that make us like a tyrant? Also in regards to the comment before USnavys on the CSA fighting for slavery. Slavery was not outlawed in the south prior to the civil war and the war was not over slavery until after the emancipation. Also it was not a rebellion at all, because the states legally had a right to leave the "packed" known as the constitution if they thought the federal government was exceeding its boundaries. The southern states believed this and left. They declared war on the union after the union refused to recall its troops from forts based in the south. So it was not a rebellion over slavery but instead the south was defending itself from an invading force that refused to leave. This is much like the british after the american revolution who refused to pull their men out of the forts in the great lake area forcing the new US to attack them and the native tribes supporting them.
Lol I have an ancestor on my maternal side who fought for the Confederacy. And I know he was a racist like everyone else there, so honestly the flag should stay banned.
in my opinion the modern american flag represents a tyrannical, war mongering nation.How was the CSA war mongering? They played a defensive war trying to keep the union out of the CSA states, and the only reason they went to war is that after seceding (at that point it was completely within their right to secede) the Union refused to remove their troops from the forts on CSA land. And they Seceded because they believed the new president (Lincoln) was going to take their economies foundation away (slavery). They were not war monger or tyrannical. They supported States rights so technically wouldn't the USA be more tyrannical then the CSA because the USA supported a strong central government instead of strong states rights.
lets ban it ;)
in my opinion the modern american flag represents a tyrannical, war mongering nation.How was the CSA war mongering? They played a defensive war trying to keep the union out of the CSA states, and the only reason they went to war is that after seceding (at that point it was completely within their right to secede) the Union refused to remove their troops from the forts on CSA land. And they Seceded because they believed the new president (Lincoln) was going to take their economies foundation away (slavery). They were not war monger or tyrannical. They supported States rights so technically wouldn't the USA be more tyrannical then the CSA because the USA supported a strong central government instead of strong states rights.
lets ban it ;)
i was talking about the current american flag, not the CSA one :P
I personally don't think it should be banned, its freedom of speech and the supreme court should have stepped in and said that. In the Skokie case of 1977. The supreme court ruled that the the Swastika was representing freedom of speech.Just let this thread die, it will never be changed.
National Socialist Party of America v. Skokie, Illinois historical info:SpoilerIn the 1977 case, the National Socialist Party of America wanted to hold a Nazi rally, law enforcement stepped in and stopped it. Keep in mind Skokie is a dominantly Jewish town. This case went all the way to the supreme court and the supreme court ruled that the Swastika itself is a form of freedom of speech.[close]
If they allow the Swastika to be allowed as a freedom of speech then I think that the flag should be allowed to fly wherever it wants to be flown. It's also the fact, do we want to get rid of the flag and erase that part of our past? I don't think it should be banned also because it represents a civil war that took place roughly 85 year after the birth of the USA. It should stand to remind us not to go down that path again.
Plus the Civil War was a huge help in in the end of slavery (I know that the civil war didn't officially end slavery, but it put us on the path). Great Britain was the first country to end the slave trade. Then things like the Haitian revolution and our own civil war helped put the world on the path to no slavery. Also keep in mind that before the triangle trade of the Atlantic, slavery was not based upon race.
Okay I'm done rambling. If you want to talk more about to find me or reply or something.
Also sorry to revive this dead thread, I was scrolling through and saw it, I read through some of it and wanted to say something.
Lol I have an ancestor on my maternal side who fought for the Confederacy. And I know he was a racist like everyone else in the world, so honestly the flag should stay banned.Fixed
It should obviously be banned since it is the cause of all hatred and banning its symbol will eliminate all racism. Oh, and screw freedom of expression.
IT'S A PIECE OF CLOTH WITH A CROSS ON IT. NOTHING MORE.
Ah, sweet irony.QuoteIT'S A PIECE OF CLOTH WITH A CROSS ON IT. NOTHING MORE.
Ahh, sweet ignorance.
If you want it to die so bad. Maybe stop posting on it? :P...