Favourite All Time Leader(s)

[Augy]

I'm with the Black guards in Ukraine or the Kronstadt sailors on this one.

[Wismar]

I'm sorry but you gotta deal with my bluntness.
Stalinism is quite bad but gave a bad name to communism as a whole, the USSR and other cold war socialist states were the authoritarian side.

In my opinion they should've smashed fascism instantly when it rose because it ruined a lot of great workers movements in the world, especially Europe. (not to mention the other, more horrid manifestations of fascism)

And then left communism be?

[Duuring]

By the time the National-socialist rose to power in Germany, communism had been replaced by Stalinism in the USSR. Technically it had become less extreme communist under Lenin, and many believe Trotksi would have followed the same way of governing, but then Stalin came and he just fucked everything up for the sake of (unnecessary) industrializing.

[Augy]

And then left communism be?

Depends on who you ask; but most would agree a  society like that would not include rulers, military, coercion, capitalism, or class hierarchy, some (me included) would also like to see property done away with. Cooperation, community independence, horizontal organization, universal rights, and sharing of resources are all things that would be strongly encouraged. Hope that helps!

A few modern examples of working anarchist societies i can think off, 1936 Barcelona which was not only a modern society, but an advanced industrial economy but got taken out prematurely by the usual suspects.
The Israeli Kibbutz are also a very good examples where they even send prisoners to live there because the crime rates are so low there.

[Duuring]

All these examples are of small communities, of people who believed in the plan and chosed to be part of it. The entire plan will crumble as soon as you get one person that has some other ideas.

[Augy]

Those were/are consisting of thousands and millions of people.
Check out Mutual Aid if you really wonder how different the incentive is.

[Allasaphore]

This thread was made to discuss who our favorite leaders were. The problem with communal leadership is that it has the potential to break down relatively quickly and can weaken the state in the process. Philosophers such as Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus, and Seneca tend to agree that not all people are perfect or capable of autonomy. Others like Hobbes portray men as vicious beasts whose passions must be contained by a mutual contract, the state.

Ours isn't the world of Kant, where everyone acts of (or should act of) duty alone. This world is the realm of deceit and violence, as a quick glimpse of history reveals.

This means that the collective cannot be trusted to govern itself adequately and justly. There must be potent leaders lest a state fail. The French Commune of 1871 and the Communes of the Spanish Civil War testify to this fact.

The thing with anarchists (that I know, at least) is the inability some possess to justify the lack of government in the face of the dangers presented by a lack of strong government.

[Venom]

this is gonna sound bad because off what it stands for i guess, but the german ww2 commanders such as Rommel and Von Manstein. as they managed to fight a war on 3 fronts for 3 year and at one point were the masters of europe. in my opinion hitler fucked it up, im not saying i wanted the germans to win but i do think that they achieved a lot through tactual skill ect
also i like napoleon and the duke of wellington

[CharlesVasser]

By the time the National-socialist rose to power in Germany, communism had been replaced by Stalinism in the USSR. Technically it had become less extreme communist under Lenin, and many believe Trotksi would have followed the same way of governing, but then Stalin came and he just fucked everything up for the sake of (unnecessary) industrializing.

(unnecessary) without the industrializing of Russia germany would have won the 2nd world war. Even do Stalin was a terrible person and his actions arent justified with this its just a sad thing in history that without his 5 years plan we would all be speaking german by now.

[Diplex]

By the time the National-socialist rose to power in Germany, communism had been replaced by Stalinism in the USSR. Technically it had become less extreme communist under Lenin, and many believe Trotksi would have followed the same way of governing, but then Stalin came and he just fucked everything up for the sake of (unnecessary) industrializing.

Kinda saved Russia in the end, lol.

[CharlesVasser]

By the time the National-socialist rose to power in Germany, communism had been replaced by Stalinism in the USSR. Technically it had become less extreme communist under Lenin, and many believe Trotksi would have followed the same way of governing, but then Stalin came and he just fucked everything up for the sake of (unnecessary) industrializing.

Kinda saved Russia in the end, lol.

I agree on that(i mean thats what i wrote).

[Duuring]

Russians like to deny it, but the the greatest part of Russian gear came from, in fact, the USA.

Stalin industrialized for the sake of industrialization, not to win a war he never expected to happen. In fact, the USSR did so bad in the war BECAUSE of Stalin's purges and stupidity.
Trotski was not just more realistic, he was also a better army leader.

[1stNOG_IDF]

Napoleon Bonaparte and Moshe Dayan, for helping orchestrate the capture of East Jerusalem.

[Warder]

Hannibal, Napoleon, gen Lee, von Manstein.
Difference between Hitler and Napoleon is big in my opinion. Napoleon lost cuz of his generals, Hitler won few campaigns only cuz of his generals

[Johan]

Erwin Rommel and his 7th Panzer Division.