Spoiler
- Hussar is the only class allowed.
so I'm going to ask the drama question: "why?"
It's just surprising then that the cuirassiers teams won the last editions in 5vs5 format to put them aside like this. So very experienced players in this class will not be able to play it. Very unfortunate
If the idea is simply to play with just one class, then I suppose the community will shrink even further for what's left of it
Good luck for the rest of your tournament. I sincerely wish you a very good tournament while I'm going back to BannerLord
I think that is because most likely every regiment in the fantasy league will be hussars. It's simply the most popular class. And sticking to one class makes the tournament more fair as everyone have the same conditions.
I understand you point of view Lindbom and It is true that there are no really competitive cuirassiers regiments left compared to the overwhelming majority of hussar regiments. Nevertheless, it seems to me that what differentiates the very good player from the good player is his ability to adapt to his opponents. I think that there are still undefeated teams of cuirassiers and that some players dream of being able to face them again and finally defeat them after a lot of effort. Instead of forgetting HeavyCav teams under the pretext that they don't play in the same class, I propose to confront them. They are few in number but still present
Think about the time aswell. Its hosted on one night.
ah indeed, it's true that the matches between hussars and cuirassiers are long and maybe a time limit could have limited this problem? and then the matches in 5vs5 are not as long as the big matches between two big regiments of more than twenty players. Let's be honest, I don't remember, as far as I can remember, a match that was long in 5vs5 format
Spoiler
- Hussar is the only class allowed.
so I'm going to ask the drama question: "why?"
It's just surprising then that the cuirassiers teams won the last editions in 5vs5 format to put them aside like this. So very experienced players in this class will not be able to play it. Very unfortunate
If the idea is simply to play with just one class, then I suppose the community will shrink even further for what's left of it
Good luck for the rest of your tournament. I sincerely wish you a very good tournament while I'm going back to BannerLord
I mean all guys are having now the same cards to play with, not bad imo
but that was the case before. Playing with its advantages to the point of abusing them to win.Different advantages, of course, but as in E-sport games like LOL for example, a hero/class can dominate at one moment and be dominated at another. It all depends on how you use your advantages and many other factors
Spoiler
- Hussar is the only class allowed.
so I'm going to ask the drama question: "why?"
It's just surprising then that the cuirassiers teams won the last editions in 5vs5 format to put them aside like this. So very experienced players in this class will not be able to play it. Very unfortunate
If the idea is simply to play with just one class, then I suppose the community will shrink even further for what's left of it
Good luck for the rest of your tournament. I sincerely wish you a very good tournament while I'm going back to BannerLord
(fully deserved) abuse and insults.
It is true that some members of the hussar community (a minority, not all) are extremely toxic towards the cuirassier community, even going so far as to create unnecessary drama against them. I would say (at face value) that 5% of these players are the source of more than 95% of the insults in this regard. Maybe, if we want to fight against toxicity, fight against this type of players rather than the class in question
As far as I discussed it with Skittles (can't be 100% certain since nothing has been announced yet) the Fantasy League will be Hussars only, as it's easier to rate players (give them a prize in that case) based on one class rather than on two.
As this tournament's main goal is to serve as a seeding base for the Fantasy League, it makes sense to use the rules which are likely to be put in place once the event arises, to guarantee fairness and equal conditions to every participant.
I'm not gonna hide it though, except if I am to host a big league like the CL, I probably won't allow more than one class in the competitions I organize. I would be genuinely interested in hosting a cuirassier only tournament in future though, assuming there is an obvious interest for it. I just don't fix the two mix well together, and although I respect people thinking differently, at the end of the day the tournaments I host represent my competitive views, not those of the entire cavalry community.
All right, I can understand the idea of wanting to rank the Hussar players among themselves, which I think is important. But isn't a very good hussar able to adapt? Can't he manage to change his game against another kind of adversity? Isn't that what differentiates a very good player from a good player? A good regiment from a very good regiment which can adapt his own tactic?
Moreover, about the league, why not allow in the future fantasy league the cuirassiers players to play their class as Thyrell had very cleverly organised for his tournament? The style of one cuirassier for five hussars on the field
As far as a cuirassier league is concerned, this is frankly impossible due to the fact that there are no more or not enough solid cuirassier regiments. I think you are already informed on this point but it is a hope that I tried to apply 3 years ago when there were big cuirassier regiments and it didn't work. Now if it's to allow hussar players to play cuirassier, I don't see any point in making a league of cuirassiers but this will not be taken seriously by the players
I fully understand that it's no satisfactory answer from your perspective but I'd rather be fully transparent about my intentions. I was very clear about it not so long ago. I don't mind having other people hosting tournaments including heavies though, neither do I mind partaking in them, I simply don't have any interest in being the one who hosts them as it's not the vision of competition I share.
the fact that you acknowledge it honours you and I am grateful for this honesty. This is your tournament and it is legitimate for you to organise it as you see fit. I really would have liked to take part in it. It's a pity that with the absence of cuirassiers, you are finally taking away my weapon on which I have always played and that takes away all my initial interest that I had in the tournament
I think we'll be fine and if you think I'm wrong, then you clearly have not paid enough attention to what most people experience when they face heavies (be it in 5v5, regimental leagues, etc..). As for every thing, time will tell. Good luck in your Bannelord endeavours, let us know when the game is no longer utter garbage, I'm sure a lot of us would be willing to enjoy it with you.
I think you're wrong and we don't agree on this point. When I look at the other side of the community, I realise that we have always had a lot of diversity. That many people enjoy diversifying their style of play. Indeed, many have complained about cuirassiers. But again, they speak much more than those who have always and will continue to see cavalry matches not as tournaments just between hussars but also between hussars and cuirassiers. Indeed, there are probably more people who think that there should be only one class: hussars and this is a great regret for me.
For BannerLord, I propose that we look at the number of simultaneous connections on both games. 3,000 on Warband versus 15,000 on BannerLord. The revolution is here and time will prove me right: when Taleword closes the servers on Warband, you'll have to face the facts
Honestly, on this spade, I want to add that the game has really improved and the rider duels on this game are just so much better than on Warband. Honestly, this game is great:and it will continue to improve thanks to the active game community that is working with the developers to provide a better experience for players
Spoiler
- Hussar is the only class allowed.
so I'm going to ask the drama question: "why?"
It's just surprising then that the cuirassiers teams won the last editions in 5vs5 format to put them aside like this. So very experienced players in this class will not be able to play it. Very unfortunate
If the idea is simply to play with just one class, then I suppose the community will shrink even further for what's left of it
Good luck for the rest of your tournament. I sincerely wish you a very good tournament while I'm going back to BannerLord
It's not anything directly indicated against heavy players. But it was simply put in place to create a level-playing field for everyone. I feel it would create less drama overall. I am sorry if you think this is aimed at anyone directly, it really isn't!
Just to add on to what Tardet has said, ""I would be genuinely interested in hosting a cuirassier only tournament in future though, assuming there is an obvious interest for it". I also spoke with him not too long ago and we were saying we would be interested in doing something like this!
I totally understand the idea of making hussars cup but let's face it, making a heavy cup is completely impossible. This is the biggest tragedy: the cuirassiers regiments (14pk, 1erRC, DCL) all disbanded after winning all the tournaments in any format. We have always been a minority against a majority of hussars.It is true that there are no really competitive cuirassiers regiments left compared to the overwhelming majority of hussar regiments. It is also true that regiments of lancers and then cuirassiers were not much help.But like the lancers in the past, don't expect the cuirassiers to play a different class. I mean, this may have been the case for the SNC because it was a national issue, but I clearly doubt that cuirassiers will not play as hussars. once again, those who make dramas about cuirassiers are still few in number, but they are the authors of the great majority of the dramas and God knows they were numerous. By the way, there is still the 8pk and the regiments of hussars who will want to play cuirassiers, in short little interest. Not against, teams of cuirassiers are still existing and only ask to have the possibility to play to participate. Also for some players, don't hesitate to let me play cuirassier in the Draft Cup and I will be present on the front line on the battlefield
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