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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2013, 11:46:30 pm »
1) Generalissimo Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov
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Aleksandr Vasiliyevich Suvorov, Prince of Italy, Count of Rymnik, Count of the Holy Roman Empire, Prince of Sardinia, Generalissimo of Russia's Ground and Naval forces, Field Marshal of the Austrian and Sardinian armies; seriously wounded six times, he was the recipient of the Order of St. Andrew the First Called Apostle, Order of St. George the Bringer of Victory First Class, Order of St. Vladimir First Class, Order of St. Alexander Nevsky, Order of St. Anna First Class, Grand Cross of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, (Austria) Order of Maria Teresa First Class, (Prussia) Order of the Black Eagle, Order of the Red Eagle, the Pour le Merite, (Sardinia) Order of the Revered Saints Maurice and Lazarus, (Bavaria) Order of St. Gubert, the Golden Lionness, (France) United Orders of the Carmelite Virgin Mary and St. Lazarus (on 20. April 1800), (Poland) Order of the White Eagle, the Order of Saint Stanislaus.
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One of a few leaders who had never participated in a (including commanding ) lost a battle ( 63 won, 0 lost ), who had helped 8 wars to be won for Russia
( Russo-Swedish War (1741–1743) - Win
War of the Austrian Succession - Win
Seven Years' War - Win
Bar Confederation - Win
Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774) - Win
Russo-Turkish War (1787–1792) - Win
Kościuszko Uprising - Win
War of the Second Coalition - Win )
Truly above all standards of modern history

2) Graf, Vladika Petar I Petrović-Njegoš ( Petar I of Montenegro, St. Petar of Cetinje <as of 1832> )

His military qualities and level of authority stay unquestioned, his wonderful diplomatic means to unite the "tribes" of Montenegro ( Montenegro existed as "independant" 1711-est, but was more decentralized than the Holy Roman Empire lol  :D ).

His destroyal of the Turkish army and organization of a new, modern, well-equipped Montenegrin army ( 1785-1796 ) , continuing by his fine diplomacy are simply beautiful.
The organization of the country to repel the until-than undefeated French Army, which was overwhelming south Dalmatia and heading for the Russian ally Montenegro was simply brilliant.

He is the "Father of Montenegro", as we might say it, and was quite a great writer too.

3) General-Field-Marshal Mikhail Ilarionovich Goletnishev-Kutuzov, Prince of Smolensk

Even though much thrown-out by Tsar Alexander I, Kutuzov has shown himself as a fine army leader and as a friend to his men, following his "trainer", Suvorov. By me, the best language-knowing Russian of that period ( Russian, English, French, German, Polish, Swedish, and Turkish ).
Such a man to be so great to enter the speech of the old Communist Stalin in 1941.
His brilliancy and trough-time training of many other staff officers who had become the best officers in Europe ( such as Mikhail S. Voronitsov, Petr Ivanovich Bagration and many, many others ) are unquestionable by anyone.

The man who defeated the Frenchie - Napoleon, if it wasn't for him, we'd probably all be singing "La Marseillaise" today all across Europe, so we owe him a big "Thanks" :)

4) Napoleon 1er Bonaparte, Emperor of the French

Conquester of all Europe, a man of truly a fine sight for politics and military commanding, with his introduction of the Napoleonic Code he has created a base for all those politicians today to bullshit us with their long no-use speeches, but Napoleon probably didn't see it this way. His brilliant destroying of the Austrians, British, Prussians, tons of Italian states, Turks (1798), many, many Russians ( 1805-7, 1812 <until sept.> ) and many others, an admirer of none-the-less but Alexander the Great of Macedonia, he is most certainly the best western-Europe countries military leader of all time.

5) Marshal of Yugoslavia Josip Broz Tito

A man of no known origin of any kind, born to a peasant family in that-day Austria-Hungary, that far 1896 on the border between Slovenia and Croatia, in a village near the present-day town of Kumrovec. A Communist and people-lover by heart, Tito became the leader of the Communist Party of the that-day Kingdom of Yugoslavia, and has spent quite a lot of time getting beaten in jail for it.
He is also known as the leader with the most names - over 100, of whom one was "Tito" and the nickname stayed forever. In 1941 he announces the Communist uprising against the invaders of Yugoslavia (Nazis), and immediatelly gets support of the Montenegrin Royal Army in the Fatherland ( who has been fighting the Serbian occupation of Montenegro for 20 years by than ). He starts off with 17000 partizans in 1941, alongside 4000 Montenegrin Royalists and the shortly-allied 15000 Chetniks, and finishes with a semi-elite army of 700.000 by May 8th 1945.

He was the president of Yugoslavia for 35 years, and died in 1980 holding the rank "Marshal of Yugoslavia", he was the last of the allied leaders to pass away (Churchil, Stalin, Truman, de Gaule, Chank-kai Shek <sorry if wrongly written> ), and his funeral was with the largest delegation attendancy ever recorded in history. Truly a great man, he has made the Yugoslav countries have everything they have today. During the '90s he was described as an evil man due to proclaiming the 90s leaders criminals and locking them up, and what had they made - a war with at least 200.000 cassualties, for nothing, for stupid borders of now-seven pitiful countries that got nothing except nothing. The people of the former Yugoslavia are starting to realize that Tito was the better option, though it's too late.....

That's my top 5, and without details, here are the other 5 ( to get top 10 :D )

6) Prime Minister of the Empire Winston Churchill
7) Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy Zhukov
8 ) Peter the Great
9) George Washington
10) Otto von Bismarck
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2013, 12:58:46 am »
Suvorov is deffinetly a a fitting choise for great leaders :)

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2013, 05:53:59 am »
Scipio Afrakanus. Talk about saving Rome's butt from Hannibal from studying his every move, then developing his tactics based on his enemies.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2013, 01:35:21 am »
Admiral Yi-Sun-Shin - Almost singlehandedly saved korean who was outmatched, outnumbered and literally outgunned. He lead 13 ships to beat 300, and pioneered the use of the first ironclad warship in history.

Georgy Zhukov - was one of the main reasons why the soviets held off the nazis, an amazing general, and arguably the best one in WW2(mannerheim is up there too), patton was good but zhukov......yeah #1(and im american)

Alexios Commenos - became the byzantine emperor through subterfuge, wiped out the pechenegs and cumans,repelled the norman invasions, helped spark the crusades and reconquered a rather large portion of anatolia, imo he was the best byzantine emperor(justinian is overrated, he overstretched the empire waaaaaaay to much)

Mithridates the Great - was a complete badass and beat rome up pretty well for some time.......and then rome recovered. Also look up the asiatic vespers

Skanderbeg - one of the greatest but most unknown generals in history, he led albania and held off the ottoman empire for 25 years. 1443 till 1468 and then albania was still resisted for 10 more years. He was always outnumbered but through tactics and knowledge of the terrain he held off the entire ottoman empire, the porte would send 100k soldiers his way he would repulse them.  People quote the peninsular war as the first widespread use of guerilla tactics but they seem to have no clue about albania fighting the ottomans. Note skanderbeg's decsendants still live in southern italy today(also the bloodline of the palailogai is mixed in there as well, so they're descended from him and the last of the byzantine emperors)

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #79 on: January 19, 2013, 10:18:29 am »
1) Generalissimo Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov
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Aleksandr Vasiliyevich Suvorov, Prince of Italy, Count of Rymnik, Count of the Holy Roman Empire, Prince of Sardinia, Generalissimo of Russia's Ground and Naval forces, Field Marshal of the Austrian and Sardinian armies; seriously wounded six times, he was the recipient of the Order of St. Andrew the First Called Apostle, Order of St. George the Bringer of Victory First Class, Order of St. Vladimir First Class, Order of St. Alexander Nevsky, Order of St. Anna First Class, Grand Cross of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, (Austria) Order of Maria Teresa First Class, (Prussia) Order of the Black Eagle, Order of the Red Eagle, the Pour le Merite, (Sardinia) Order of the Revered Saints Maurice and Lazarus, (Bavaria) Order of St. Gubert, the Golden Lionness, (France) United Orders of the Carmelite Virgin Mary and St. Lazarus (on 20. April 1800), (Poland) Order of the White Eagle, the Order of Saint Stanislaus.
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One of a few leaders who had never participated in a (including commanding ) lost a battle ( 63 won, 0 lost ), who had helped 8 wars to be won for Russia
( Russo-Swedish War (1741–1743) - Win
War of the Austrian Succession - Win
Seven Years' War - Win
Bar Confederation - Win
Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774) - Win
Russo-Turkish War (1787–1792) - Win
Kościuszko Uprising - Win
War of the Second Coalition - Win )
Truly above all standards of modern history

The Russo-Turkish wars should not even count. They had way more men. On the Russian side it was nearly 1 million, while Ottomans had 281 000 men.  ;) (No offence)

Edit: And they had much better technology too.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2013, 10:21:33 am by GoldenEagle »

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2013, 07:21:39 pm »
In addition to my previous favourites, I'd also like to throw in Brasidas and Alcibiades from the Peloponnesian war between Sparta and Athens. Brasidas was an incredible General and leader, and led one of the most successful Spartan campaigns in history. Alcibiades was easily the most able general of his time, and should he have been able to remain as an Athenian general I believe that Athens would almost definitely have won the war. His contributions to the Spartan strategy when he was forced to defect, and simply his lack of involvement in military affairs in Athens after his second banishment really put Athens on the back foot.
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2013, 11:11:53 pm »
Lord Wellington!

Showing Napoleon who is the boss at Waterloo with help from the Prussians!

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2013, 11:14:22 pm »
Lord Wellington!

Showing Napoleon who is the boss at Waterloo with help from the Prussians!

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2013, 11:19:42 pm »
Lord Wellington!

Showing Napoleon who is the boss at Waterloo with help from the Prussians!

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*Holds Durring back* It's not worth it m8. It's ok m8 he didn't mean it m8.  ;)

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2013, 02:36:01 am »
I would have to give it to Dan Sickles general of the 3rd Corps in the Army of the Potomac



Sickles to me is one of the most interesting and colorful characters of the Civil War. Before the war he Sickles shot and killed the son of Francis Scott Key over a woman he was in love with. When he was on trial he used a defense of temporary insanity, the first time the defense had been used in the United States Then at Gettysburg he, depending how you view it almost lost....or saved the battle. He moved almost 1/2 a mile out in front of where he was supposed to be. During Longsteet's attack he lost his leg to a cannon ball, and when we was being taken away was relaxing and smoking a cigar. (He won the medal of honor for his fighting at Gettysburg.) 



A lot of people say he almost could of lost the battle but his view was, by moving into his position so far ahead of the main line, tired Longsteet's men that they couldn't take Little Round Top.  After the battle he declared himself a hero.
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2013, 03:25:03 am »
The Russo-Turkish wars should not even count. They had way more men. On the Russian side it was nearly 1 million, while Ottomans had 281 000 men.  ;) (No offence)

Edit: And they had much better technology too.

He was outnumbered at Kozluca, Focşani and Rymnik where he delivered his decisive blows. They did have superior artillery though, and wide-spread use of the bayonet tended to trump the sabres the Ottomans still relied on in close quarters.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2013, 04:58:19 am »
I would have to give it to Dan Sickles general of the 3rd Corps in the Army of the Potomac



Sickles to me is one of the most interesting and colorful characters of the Civil War. Before the war he Sickles shot and killed the son of Francis Scott Key over a woman he was in love with. When he was on trial he used a defense of temporary insanity, the first time the defense had been used in the United States Then at Gettysburg he, depending how you view it almost lost....or saved the battle. He moved almost 1/2 a mile out in front of where he was supposed to be. During Longsteet's attack he lost his leg to a cannon ball, and when we was being taken away was relaxing and smoking a cigar. (He won the medal of honor for his fighting at Gettysburg.) 



A lot of people say he almost could of lost the battle but his view was, by moving into his position so far ahead of the main line, tired Longsteet's men that they couldn't take Little Round Top.  After the battle he declared himself a hero.

His frequently disobeyed orders from his superiors...he was a ass imho not a great leader.

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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2013, 08:50:27 am »
In my personal opinion, anyone that "Declares" themselves a hero is an asshat.
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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2013, 01:03:52 pm »
Michael Collins for being the founder of modern guerrilla warfare and forcing the most powerful empire at the time to concede defeat.

Buenaventura Durruti - Anarchist leader of the Durutti Collumn during the Spanish Civil War, took Catalonia and successfully implemented Anarchism, they rushed in the defense of Madrid and helped repulse the Nationalist attack.
He was quite an inspirational leader, too bad he got shot by a sniper early on in the civil war.

Che Guevara - Landed in Cuba with about 80 fellow revolutionaries and they effectively ended Batista's rule through guerilla warfare, he was a very driven man and continued his revolutionary struggle after Cuba was Liberated. He was executed after an unsuccessful guerilla war in Bolivia by the CIA-backed government. He wrote a handbook on Guerilla warfare which is still used to this day.

Simón Bolívar - A Revolutionary leader, , he helped create democracies in South America through revolutionary struggle and creative subterfuge.

I thought i'd just add unusual leaders unlike the usual Napoleon, Alexander etc.



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Re: Favourite All Time Leader(s)
« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2013, 03:36:42 pm »
The Russo-Turkish wars should not even count. They had way more men. On the Russian side it was nearly 1 million, while Ottomans had 281 000 men.  ;) (No offence)

Edit: And they had much better technology too.

He was outnumbered at Kozluca, Focşani and Rymnik where he delivered his decisive blows. They did have superior artillery though, and wide-spread use of the bayonet tended to trump the sabres the Ottomans still relied on in close quarters.

Oh you mean the Russo-Turkish war 1768-1774 , my fault bro  :) Then there is no means for me to call his victories against the Turks easy, BUT the Russo-Turkish War 1787–1792 was a really easy victory, as I stated above that Russians had 1 million while Ottomans was heavily outnumbered and out teched with 281 000 men.