European Summer Cup - Signups open. Date August 8th

[Gibby Jr]

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12. The tournament format will be announced soon.
 
13. The tournament placement points will be allocated as such; 1st giving 5 points, 2nd place giving 2 points, 3rd place giving 1 point.

Shouldn't the 1 day tournament be weighted more heavily than this?

Right now, winning a single match week gives 3 points and getting 2nd in the one day only gives 2. Surely a 2nd place, in competition with all other teams, should be worth more than winning a single match week? Even 3rd place in a one day tournament should be worth at least as much as a match week win? Imo it should be more like 5 or 6 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd, 2 or 3 for 3rd and 1 for 4th. There's very little point to the single day tournament otherwise.

It was like that before but then a team that goes 3-1 vs a team that goes 4-0 has 0% chance of winning. This gives a team that goes 3-1 to play for a tiebreaker in overall points.

only if they win. it makes 2nd or 3rd (and especially 4th-12th place) redundant placements. you could make it so you get 1 point per win in the one-day, and an extra few if you win the whole thing to make it worthwhile for every team to attend.

[AchillesTheOne]

[Fietta]

--- Tournament ---
 
12. The tournament format will be announced soon.
 
13. The tournament placement points will be allocated as such; 1st giving 5 points, 2nd place giving 2 points, 3rd place giving 1 point.

Shouldn't the 1 day tournament be weighted more heavily than this?

Right now, winning a single match week gives 3 points and getting 2nd in the one day only gives 2. Surely a 2nd place, in competition with all other teams, should be worth more than winning a single match week? Even 3rd place in a one day tournament should be worth at least as much as a match week win? Imo it should be more like 5 or 6 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd, 2 or 3 for 3rd and 1 for 4th. There's very little point to the single day tournament otherwise.

It was like that before but then a team that goes 3-1 vs a team that goes 4-0 has 0% chance of winning. This gives a team that goes 3-1 to play for a tiebreaker in overall points.

only if they win. it makes 2nd or 3rd (and especially 4th-12th place) redundant placements. you could make it so you get 1 point per win in the one-day, and an extra few if you win the whole thing to make it worthwhile for every team to attend.

I talked to Movement and convinced him to change it so that 1st place is weighted more, otherwise if I lose 1 match in the ladder (which in theory should mean less) because of ladder matches being progressively harder (that means two 3 - 0 will have to go against eachother etc.) If the points were closer, let's assume 1st is 5 points, second is 4 points, because you lost 3 points from one ladder match, even if you came first in the tournament, you'd still lose to the second place who won all their ladder matches. This basically means that the group matches would mean more than the tournament, when they almost certainly shouldn't.

3 - 1 groups points = 9p
4 - 0 group points = 12p

Let's assume these are the values you're suggesting:

1st in tournament = 5p
2nd in tournament = 4p
third in tournament = 3p

Now let's do matchups:

the two 4 - 0 teams get third and second place: 16p & 15p
the one 3 - 1 team gets first place: 14p

So even though you won the tournament, because you lost one match in the ladder, you come third in the cup? The good thing about having 5p for first and 2p for second is that if that second place team won all their group matches it'll then be the tiebreaker with the possible 3 - 1 team who won the tournament (which can easily happen given matchups). It also gives the third place team to fight for second place

[BlitzkriegMBNW]

fietta the kinda guy to order a medium latte. Half coconut milk, half 2%. 2.5 espresso shots, extra foam (but not a cappuccino) 1.5 raw sugars. Poured the milk (not the foam) stir, spoon the foam on top. Cinnamon on top.

[Fietta]

fietta the kinda guy to order a medium latte. Half coconut milk, half 2%. 2.5 espresso shots, extra foam (but not a cappuccino) 1.5 raw sugars. Poured the milk (not the foam) stir, spoon the foam on top. Cinnamon on top.

Nah only a caramel latte from costa not some of this white girl starbucks shit

[ONeil_]

fietta the kinda guy to order a medium latte. Half coconut milk, half 2%. 2.5 espresso shots, extra foam (but not a cappuccino) 1.5 raw sugars. Poured the milk (not the foam) stir, spoon the foam on top. Cinnamon on top.

Nah only a caramel latte from costa not some of this white girl starbucks shit

i actually believe blitz on this one

[Gibby Jr]

--- Tournament ---
 
12. The tournament format will be announced soon.
 
13. The tournament placement points will be allocated as such; 1st giving 5 points, 2nd place giving 2 points, 3rd place giving 1 point.

Shouldn't the 1 day tournament be weighted more heavily than this?

Right now, winning a single match week gives 3 points and getting 2nd in the one day only gives 2. Surely a 2nd place, in competition with all other teams, should be worth more than winning a single match week? Even 3rd place in a one day tournament should be worth at least as much as a match week win? Imo it should be more like 5 or 6 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd, 2 or 3 for 3rd and 1 for 4th. There's very little point to the single day tournament otherwise.

It was like that before but then a team that goes 3-1 vs a team that goes 4-0 has 0% chance of winning. This gives a team that goes 3-1 to play for a tiebreaker in overall points.

only if they win. it makes 2nd or 3rd (and especially 4th-12th place) redundant placements. you could make it so you get 1 point per win in the one-day, and an extra few if you win the whole thing to make it worthwhile for every team to attend.

I talked to Movement and convinced him to change it so that 1st place is weighted more, otherwise if I lose 1 match in the ladder (which in theory should mean less) because of ladder matches being progressively harder (that means two 3 - 0 will have to go against eachother etc.) If the points were closer, let's assume 1st is 5 points, second is 4 points, because you lost 3 points from one ladder match, even if you came first in the tournament, you'd still lose to the second place who won all their ladder matches. This basically means that the group matches would mean more than the tournament, when they almost certainly shouldn't.

3 - 1 groups points = 9p
4 - 0 group points = 12p

Let's assume these are the values you're suggesting:

1st in tournament = 5p
2nd in tournament = 4p
third in tournament = 3p

Now let's do matchups:

the two 4 - 0 teams get third and second place: 16p & 15p
the one 3 - 1 team gets first place: 14p

So even though you won the tournament, because you lost one match in the ladder, you come third in the cup? The good thing about having 5p for first and 2p for second is that if that second place team won all their group matches it'll then be the tiebreaker with the possible 3 - 1 team who won the tournament (which can easily happen given matchups). It also gives the third place team to fight for second place

The numbers I wrote were speculative suggestions. You are typing about how the final tournament should be weighted more than a single match week, but the current system makes the final tournament irrelevant (worth 0 points) for 9 teams and worth almost nothing for a further 2. First place should be worth a lot in the final tournament, but so should 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc.

I agree that a 3-1 team that win the final tournament should come up above a 3-0 team that get second, but right now the tournament means nothing for anything other than that specific scenario. Getting 2nd or 3rd is irrelevant unless the concerned teams are equal on points (unlikely in a 3 week league).

[Fietta]

should've just done groups then knockouts 

[David_Schrein]

Nr59 24 - 6 Pirates

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MVP: Lama

Cocotouch19 - 11 Impact

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MVP: Marquez

Apologies for the last match results, bracket is up to date.

The numbers I wrote were speculative suggestions. You are typing about how the final tournament should be weighted more than a single match week, but the current system makes the final tournament irrelevant (worth 0 points) for 9 teams and worth almost nothing for a further 2. First place should be worth a lot in the final tournament, but so should 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc.

I agree that a 3-1 team that win the final tournament should come up above a 3-0 team that get second, but right now the tournament means nothing for anything other than that specific scenario. Getting 2nd or 3rd is irrelevant unless the concerned teams are equal on points (unlikely in a 3 week league).

should've just done groups then knockouts 

Both of your points are valid, the main idea for this cup was to have this last for 6-9 weeks with placements which would make the tournament be more valued, but since majority of the captains did not want anything longer than 4 weeks made this the final outcome. The 5 points that are given to the first place of the tournament are purely there to make a 3-1 also win the cup.

I will rediscuss the points for the final tournament with the mod team.

[FENTON]

Shut up

[BlitzkriegMBNW]

fenton the type of guy to order a venti Carmel Frappuccino with non fat coconut milk exactly 2 1/2 cups of sugar with 4 chocolate drizzles, 6 1/2 pump of caramel drizzle, 3 expresso shots mixed in Extra whip cream, as well as birthday cake pop mixed in with a bit of strawberries on top, chocolate flakes, pump of vanilla, one pump of hazelnut, banana slices mixed in, chocolate shavings coating the bottom, cinnamon dolce and just a pinch of matcha powder

[FENTON]

Blitzkrieg the type of guy to put a peepee in his bum (no hate tho my boyfriend is gay)

[BlitzkriegMBNW]

help im pickle rick

[Hertz]

Should turn this into a clicker hero’s tournament.

[Desant]

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