European Team Rankings

[AccursedGull]

grouped gf #1 for sure

[Elsse]

grouped gf #1 for sure

thx bro

[Kraz]

grouped gf #1 for sure

thx bro

deserved for sure!

[higened243ed]

grouped gf #1 for sure

[Smylie]

In all honesty, counting sword tournaments / PTK / non standard tournaments seems like a weird thing to do as atleast normal tournaments are down to teams actual skill.

[Kore]

In all honesty, counting sword tournaments / PTK / non standard tournaments seems like a weird thing to do as atleast normal tournaments are down to teams actual skill.

others are not?

[Tardet]

In all honesty, counting sword tournaments / PTK / non standard tournaments seems like a weird thing to do as atleast normal tournaments are down to teams actual skill.

Take it from someone who doesn't like these formats (or at least nowhere near traditional formats) and considered for a while they were not as competitive (wrongly so though), I understand what you mean. The reality however is that it's impossible not to take these into accounts while making a competitive team ranking. Out of the last four tournaments we had recently, half of them are non-traditional formats and these events were attended by just as many competitive teams as regular gf tournaments.

I will probably have as much of a struggle taking the upcoming 9v9 into account. I don't mind MP hosting it, it's definitely a fun format but due to its size and the on-going summer vacations, I already know about three teams in the rankings who won't attend it (or if they do, that will be as a merge). It seems equally unfair to not take this tournament into account for the teams who are going to attend it with a strong roster, that it is penalizing those who don't.

Obviously moving forward we might adapt the formula and re-consider the tournaments we take into account (or consider if they are all supposed to weight the same) but I believe we will probably lean towards establishing a 'competitive size' (from 5v5 to 7v7 for exemple) rather than give more relevance to the traditional tournament (only bayonets).

[Smylie]

Personally I just feel as if ptk atleast is quite luck based and that ruins the worth of ranking those tournaments and tbh I think that the 9v9 separates the better teams from the lesser ones coz it shows roster depth and not just a strong 5v5 roster.

[Eamon]

Smylie the gf leader supreme hath spoken

[Wursti]

Smylie has a point but doing good in these others tournaments also shows versatility which should be rewarded for teams

even tho most just get invites for the sword

[Janne]

Personally I just feel as if ptk atleast is quite luck based and that ruins the worth of ranking those tournaments and tbh I think that the 9v9 separates the better teams from the lesser ones coz it shows roster depth and not just a strong 5v5 roster.

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[Kraz]

Personally I just feel as if ptk atleast is quite luck based and that ruins the worth of ranking those tournaments and tbh I think that the 9v9 separates the better teams from the lesser ones coz it shows roster depth and not just a strong 5v5 roster.

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what? that’s pure strategy and skill smylie -1
every tournaments played 5v5 or more, with swords or without are competitive groupfighting things and should be considered imo

[Tardet]

Personally I just feel as if ptk atleast is quite luck based and that ruins the worth of ranking those tournaments and tbh I think that the 9v9 separates the better teams from the lesser ones coz it shows roster depth and not just a strong 5v5 roster.

The sword definitely brings a random aspect which was seen in some teams adapting better than others but if you look at the playoffs of PTK, you had pretty much all the teams you would expect to see in a regular gf tournament and the team which has shown the better form as of late (Jedis) won the tournament. In that sense, I completely disagree it's 'quite' based on luck and therefore ruins the worth of ranking these tournaments. The placing most teams had was extremely coherent with their overall strength and form.

As for the 9v9, I don't see the points in showing the 'depth of a roster' in one and only occasion, while the 3-4 players most teams will add on their rosters won't be seen for the smaller formats, which are definitely more common and therefore determine a norme. Overall from my point of view, the lack of an unchanging competitive format has been hurting the NW scene more than anything else, unlike on Native where 8v8 has always been the go-to format, despite other size having been tried in multiple occasions. I know I am a minority on that one though and that's why I don't mind seeing 9v9/8v8 tournaments, neither do I mind many teams taking them seriously. It just makes it hard to take them into account in a ranking, especially at that time of the year.

[Eamon]

Personally I just feel as if ptk atleast is quite luck based and that ruins the worth of ranking those tournaments and tbh I think that the 9v9 separates the better teams from the lesser ones coz it shows roster depth and not just a strong 5v5 roster.

The sword definitely brings a random aspect which was seen in some teams adapting better than others but if you look at the playoffs of PTK, you had pretty much all the teams you would expect to see in a regular gf tournament and team which has shown the better form as of late (Jedis) won the tournament. In that sense, I completely disagree it's 'quite' based on luck and therefore ruins the worth of ranking these tournaments.

As for the 9v9, I don't see the points in showing the 'depth of a roster' in one and only occasion, while the 3-4 players most teams will add on their rosters won't be seen for the smaller formats, which are definitely more common and therefore determine a norme. Overall from my point of view, the lack of an unchanging competitive format has been hurting the NW scene more than anything else, unlike on Native where 8v8 has always been the go-to format, despite other size having been tried in multiple occasions. I know I am a minority on that one though and that's why I don't mind seeing 9v9/8v8 tournaments, neither do I mind many teams taking them seriously. It just makes it hard to take them into account in a ranking, especially at that time of the year.

We should be happy there are tournaments full stop tbf

[Tigere]

Personally I just feel as if ptk atleast is quite luck based and that ruins the worth of ranking those tournaments and tbh I think that the 9v9 separates the better teams from the lesser ones coz it shows roster depth and not just a strong 5v5 roster.

The sword definitely brings a random aspect which was seen in some teams adapting better than others but if you look at the playoffs of PTK, you had pretty much all the teams you would expect to see in a regular gf tournament and team which has shown the better form as of late (Jedis) won the tournament. In that sense, I completely disagree it's 'quite' based on luck and therefore ruins the worth of ranking these tournaments.

As for the 9v9, I don't see the points in showing the 'depth of a roster' in one and only occasion, while the 3-4 players most teams will add on their rosters won't be seen for the smaller formats, which are definitely more common and therefore determine a norme. Overall from my point of view, the lack of an unchanging competitive format has been hurting the NW scene more than anything else, unlike on Native where 8v8 has always been the go-to format, despite other size having been tried in multiple occasions. I know I am a minority on that one though and that's why I don't mind seeing 9v9/8v8 tournaments, neither do I mind many teams taking them seriously. It just makes it hard to take them into account in a ranking, especially at that time of the year.

We should be happy there are tournaments full stop tbf

Since 70% of the community predicted the game wOulD DiE