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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: European Summer Cup - Signups open. Date August 8th
« on: Today at 01:16:26 am »only if they win. it makes 2nd or 3rd (and especially 4th-12th place) redundant placements. you could make it so you get 1 point per win in the one-day, and an extra few if you win the whole thing to make it worthwhile for every team to attend.It was like that before but then a team that goes 3-1 vs a team that goes 4-0 has 0% chance of winning. This gives a team that goes 3-1 to play for a tiebreaker in overall points.--- Tournament ---
12. The tournament format will be announced soon.
13. The tournament placement points will be allocated as such; 1st giving 5 points, 2nd place giving 2 points, 3rd place giving 1 point.
Shouldn't the 1 day tournament be weighted more heavily than this?
Right now, winning a single match week gives 3 points and getting 2nd in the one day only gives 2. Surely a 2nd place, in competition with all other teams, should be worth more than winning a single match week? Even 3rd place in a one day tournament should be worth at least as much as a match week win? Imo it should be more like 5 or 6 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd, 2 or 3 for 3rd and 1 for 4th. There's very little point to the single day tournament otherwise.
I talked to Movement and convinced him to change it so that 1st place is weighted more, otherwise if I lose 1 match in the ladder (which in theory should mean less) because of ladder matches being progressively harder (that means two 3 - 0 will have to go against eachother etc.) If the points were closer, let's assume 1st is 5 points, second is 4 points, because you lost 3 points from one ladder match, even if you came first in the tournament, you'd still lose to the second place who won all their ladder matches. This basically means that the group matches would mean more than the tournament, when they almost certainly shouldn't.
3 - 1 groups points = 9p
4 - 0 group points = 12p
Let's assume these are the values you're suggesting:
1st in tournament = 5p
2nd in tournament = 4p
third in tournament = 3p
Now let's do matchups:
the two 4 - 0 teams get third and second place: 16p & 15p
the one 3 - 1 team gets first place: 14p
So even though you won the tournament, because you lost one match in the ladder, you come third in the cup? The good thing about having 5p for first and 2p for second is that if that second place team won all their group matches it'll then be the tiebreaker with the possible 3 - 1 team who won the tournament (which can easily happen given matchups). It also gives the third place team to fight for second place
The numbers I wrote were speculative suggestions. You are typing about how the final tournament should be weighted more than a single match week, but the current system makes the final tournament irrelevant (worth 0 points) for 9 teams and worth almost nothing for a further 2. First place should be worth a lot in the final tournament, but so should 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc.
I agree that a 3-1 team that win the final tournament should come up above a 3-0 team that get second, but right now the tournament means nothing for anything other than that specific scenario. Getting 2nd or 3rd is irrelevant unless the concerned teams are equal on points (unlikely in a 3 week league).
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