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The Mess Hall / Re: New-Gen Points [NGP] Update 04/07
« on: Today at 04:04:57 am »
why call his New gen points if he only has tramps who have been playing for at least 3 years? and why did you remove the T4 and T5 from the list despite it being bullshit like the t1

give your "accurate" t1 then

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The Mess Hall / Re: New-Gen Points [NGP] Update 04/07
« on: Today at 12:32:56 am »
Updated

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M.Tournaments Board / Re: What's next tournament to host? [POLL]
« on: July 03, 2022, 07:13:22 pm »
I think if you do a protect the king tournament you should augment the stats of the "king" to make them tankier than their teammates.

It's possible to edit the stats of different troops serverside, meaning you could change the ironflesh value to give them more HP (each ironflesh is +2 HP):


The base value is 3, which can be raised up to 10, +7 being 14 extra HP. I don't know if you can exceed the 10 limit, that would have to be tested if you wanted to.

Additionally, all troops are using the "def_attrib_multiplayer", which as you can see below is equivalent to 15 strength, 15 agility, 15 intelligence and 15 charisma.


Each point of strength is +1 HP, but it also has an effect on how much damage you deal. Agility makes weapon handling better and makes you slightly faster.

Imo, in a format where the death of one person means their team loses the round, that individual should be tankier than the rest of their team. The "king" is supposed to play safe, that's the whole idea of the format, but in my experience if there's a 7v7 protect the king tournament it usually becomes a 6v6 with one person from each side essentially playing spectator inside the arena. Making them a little stronger would incentivise them to play the game more, creating more potential for them to be caught out, rather than just s-keying the whole time so they don't die and lose their team the round.

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the french saber has exactly the same stats as the UK officer one, there is no difference in hitbox only the mesh

who told you that? 2nd best sword player gibby?

stop the cappuccino 2nd best NW player python, I’m pretty sure you were there a couple years ago when I went through the files to check the stats. they’re identical

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: Event Ideas
« on: June 22, 2022, 08:53:16 pm »
someone host a tourney

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Let the man have his fun

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M.Tournaments Board / Re: M. Tournaments | TRT III | 19th June
« on: June 20, 2022, 03:14:24 pm »

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M.Tournaments Board / Re: M. Tournaments | TRT III | 19th June
« on: June 16, 2022, 11:48:17 pm »
It inst just flusha tho, i wouldn't care if it was one player, its Padawan, Ruler, Stex, Bodya. All of them have harassed me without provocation at one point or another
i dont even know you lol
yea you do, you baby raged all over the list thread and posted plenty of anti gay shit in the process

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M.Tournaments Board / Re: M. Tournaments | TRT III | 19th June
« on: June 16, 2022, 10:48:55 pm »
It inst just flusha tho, i wouldn't care if it was one player, its Padawan, Ruler, Stex, Bodya. All of them have harassed me without provocation at one point or another

Hmm, I don't really agree with that, I've had past experiences with all of them and they've been fine to me, it's just Flusha that seems to be a problem.

Hertz already said it, it’s not because blitz is gay it’s because it’s blitz
No doubt this is the case for some people who don't like him, but you can't seriously tell me the people he's listed haven't been homophobic? Hertz is someone who doesn't like him and doesn't care he's gay, but you should stop blanketly assuming that's the case across the board. Would you tell someone to shut up and play with people who are racist if they were of a minority (in the EU)? Think about it for a few moments pls.

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The Mess Hall / Re: New-Gen Points [NGP]
« on: May 30, 2022, 05:38:52 pm »

No way Fietta/sHype should be below blitz and barro, at the least they should be in line with him. Yes, Blitz maybe plays more rounds but as we saw in several tournaments recently, not very well.
Personally, I think Fietta and sHype both suffer from the same conditioning in RT. In the Mages final, Fietta got first picked in the first two rounds because he was lunging - then he took a backfoot and stayed on Achilles' hip and their flank started winning. There isn't much else to go on for him, but from our POVs when he plays without Achilles he's quite unimpactful and not particularly difficult to pressure. sHype is a hard one. I'm perhaps overly negative because I was picking him in the 7v7 final, but I can see the justification for putting him higher. We tried to avoid using "matchups" (in the sense of, I outplayed x so I should be above them) but it forms part of people's opinions regardless of that. I think he can be quite inconsistent though.

I don't quite understand your point, sure I was picked but just from a finals you can't make assumptions, I didn't in any case play bad - but you're obviously deluded to base it off one match. I don't need to be impactful with Achilles, because that's his role as we discussed and not mine. Again, there's plenty of times I've not played with Achilles and somewhere else and played extremely well, the match before the finals I played exceptionally well. If this list is solely off 'what you've seen', then how are you rating all the other 80 players on this list which you haven't seen and the people you have seen is based on one match.

Bagins actually made Renegades on the basis of it not potentially being a 'winning' team, at least not at the start, but wanted to improve on the players it has as you guys have 'potential', but potential doesn't mean you're a great player. Also, making picking compilations also doesn't really show much as you're also not seeing how you're not getting picked. According to Blitz's video looked like Mages was farming RT, but that simply wasn't true. There's two sides to a video, but obviously you're not going to show you dying. If you were smart, you'd understand that the majority of the performances given from Renegades, is because of teamplay and leadership rather than individual skill, as you've said, you've learnt a lot, but haven't seen you perform outside of the same players you have been playing with. Teamplay is obviously very useful and is talent, but being spoon-fed constantly doesn't in any sense mean you're playing for yourself.

England performed well (still questionable plays from you in middle, and Hypno too), however, if you actually analysed how ENG have played, you can tell that it was because of how Bagins made you play, which is why it was a mess before Bagins took over and at that point and still up until the finals, there were questions if you would actually play in it, and thus competition began between you and Cody. Bagins is trying to place players in the right places and telling you how to play, which is great for winning, but doesn't mean a lot when it comes to individuality.

I understand lists are subjective, but making wild claims based on someone getting picked a couple of times is silly and then basing your entire rating on that is absolutely strange to me. It's just convenient that these points were made by the people who've been playing with each other for the past couple months and these same people are also exaggerated in this list.
cope and seeth + ratio

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The Mess Hall / Re: New-Gen Points [NGP]
« on: May 30, 2022, 05:12:52 pm »
Gibby needs to move down a bit, he's solid enough yes but plays a very basic role in teams as a holder, doesn't have great mechanical skill and is not the best player at the moment in doing that role. He performed reasonably in the 7v7 and NWWC but not 'good'. Giorno did fairly well but it was in an Ireland team that didn't perform great against fairly weak opponents and in the 7v7/8v8 he was average, he should go down a bit also. HiReaper has performed pretty well over those tournaments I'd say he can stay around where he is more maybe drop by 1-2 points but 82 is not unfair. Marquez being in 81 seems completely confused to most people I've spoken to but I'm aware he played fairly well for Animals. He should drop a bit but not too much. For me Maximou and Narrow should probably be on the same level but Maximou has had more round time so it's a bit hard to judge. No way Fietta/sHype should be below blitz and barro, at the least they should be in line with him. Yes, Blitz maybe plays more rounds but as we saw in several tournaments recently, not very well. Naatsuu deserves to go up really based off his recent performances and Fralla down. Cody I also think could drop a little but nothing major. The lower tiers are harder to judge so I won't bother but guys like Irish, Firefly and Gi played very well in the 8v8 when we beat Envy/Movements teams in the group stages. Most of the top 10 I think is fair however based on those 3 tournaments though I'd argue Extaz had a worse tournament than Red and DOMI really in those 3 combined and that Jakob potentially had a better one than Bagins but that one is close for sure.

Other than that I'd also say Blacktham and TheDeaD could potentially drop a bit, they haven't performed badly but just haven't done much over the last few tournaments either. Oh and Steinmann has been terrible in those last few tournaments, his rating seems entirely random and needs to drop a fair bit. Hypno potentially needs to drop a bit also when taking into account the other two tournaments.

I hope posting something actually constructive might lead to others doing the same rather than flaming each-other. :)
As this is a good-faith constructive engagement I will talk about each of these in turn from my perspective, but keep in mind the ratings were done by 4 people and we disagreed on a lot of players. We also did not rate ourselves.

Gibby needs to move down a bit, he's solid enough yes but plays a very basic role in teams as a holder, doesn't have great mechanical skill and is not the best player at the moment in doing that role. He performed reasonably in the 7v7 and NWWC but not 'good'.
In NWWC almost everyone is playing "holder" while trying to set up teamplay, at least that's what we were all doing in England - except perhaps on the DOMI, Python flank and initially when Bagins and Python were in mid. It's evident in my video of the FRA match that I did successfully set up quite a few kills for Python and Bagins, as well as get a few out of the setups myself. In the 7v7, I had the most first picks in the semis and finals for Mages (against Gerher and TheDeaD in the semis and sHype and Narrow in the finals). For a better view of what I can do mechanically I'd suggest watching my 2v2 video (it's not relevant to the ratings but is a demonstration of mechanics) and my 7v7 video:
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Although even the 7v7 is a little outdated, as I learnt a massive amount from Bagins during NWWC and a lot more recently from Zeyden and Jakob

Giorno did fairly well but it was in an Ireland team that didn't perform great against fairly weak opponents and in the 7v7/8v8 he was average, he should go down a bit also.
I think Giorno's rating is accurate comparative to those around him. He's a strong teamplayer that is good at applying pressure on a flank/enabling his partner by creating space. Him and HiReaper were what made Animals (Red and Zenon being very impactful as well) so solid. Debatable if he's a little too high numerically but I think he's in roughly the right place.

HiReaper has performed pretty well over those tournaments I'd say he can stay around where he is more maybe drop by 1-2 points but 82 is not unfair.
HiReaper has excellent pressure application and consistency to go with it, and can do it on wall or 2nd in. If I were picking players in a draft league I'd personally pick him over some of those above him, but in terms of tournament performances he is justifiably rated I think.

Marquez being in 81 seems completely confused to most people I've spoken to but I'm aware he played fairly well for Animals. He should drop a bit but not too much.
I agree with you, I would drop Marquez by a few points. But, as I said, the list is made by 4 people and the others thought a placement this high was more accurate.

For me Maximou and Narrow should probably be on the same level but Maximou has had more round time so it's a bit hard to judge.
They're very close together on the list and as Maximou started in NWWC it's difficult to justify Narrow being above him. They play in different positions, Narrow in mid and Maxime on flank, so it may be a matter of logistics for FRA but I think Maximou is the more reliable of the two - he also had a good performance in the NWWC finals.

No way Fietta/sHype should be below blitz and barro, at the least they should be in line with him. Yes, Blitz maybe plays more rounds but as we saw in several tournaments recently, not very well.
Personally, I think Fietta and sHype both suffer from the same conditioning in RT. In the Mages final, Fietta got first picked in the first two rounds because he was lunging - then he took a backfoot and stayed on Achilles' hip and their flank started winning. There isn't much else to go on for him, but from our POVs when he plays without Achilles he's quite unimpactful and not particularly difficult to pressure. sHype is a hard one. I'm perhaps overly negative because I was picking him in the 7v7 final, but I can see the justification for putting him higher. We tried to avoid using "matchups" (in the sense of, I outplayed x so I should be above them) but it forms part of people's opinions regardless of that. I think he can be quite inconsistent though.

Naatsuu deserves to go up really based off his recent performances and Fralla down.
Naatsuu definitely could be higher by a couple points, but I think he is overly aggressive and lunges far too much. It catches people out that underestimate his range, but it also gets him killed against people that are ready for it and prepare a counter up-down on the block. But, as you say, he's had strong performances so up to 65 could make sense. Fralla down makes sense to me.

Cody I also think could drop a little but nothing major.
Again, not in disagreement.

The lower tiers are harder to judge so I won't bother but guys like Irish, Firefly and Gi played very well in the 8v8 when we beat Envy/Movements teams in the group stages.
Firefly and Gi have both played well in the recently considered tournaments, and could have a few more points for it, but I don't think they're being done dirty with their current placements.

Most of the top 10 I think is fair however based on those 3 tournaments though I'd argue Extaz had a worse tournament than Red and DOMI really in those 3 combined and that Jakob potentially had a better one than Bagins but that one is close for sure.
Extazz hasn't had amazing tournaments and is lower for that, but I still think he performed better than those below him. As much as I love PR Curtis, he has had a rough time of it in tournaments recently. Jakob could be one or two points higher, he's definitely in that sort of area, but it's very close between him and Bagins. Hard to come down decisively on.

Other than that I'd also say Blacktham and TheDeaD could potentially drop a bit, they haven't performed badly but just haven't done much over the last few tournaments either.
I don't disagree.

Steinmann has been terrible in those last few tournaments, his rating seems entirely random and needs to drop a fair bit.
I don't think it's random, but I also don't disagree that he should be lower.

Hypno potentially needs to drop a bit also when taking into account the other two tournaments.
I don't have much perspective on this, I didn't contribute much to his ranking but I'd probably agree.


If this is based upon nwwc/7v7 etc how are myself, firefly, caskie so low? (also where is Mike)
I don't think you are that low but I referred to this a bit in my reply to Herishey. I wanted Mike on but I believe it was contested that he hasn't played enough. I wouldn't disagree with a few extra points.


To just pour fuel on the fire

Whenever Fietta played in NSS, surrounded by mediocre players, he was fucking dogshit  ;D

As gibby rightly said, Fietta likes to think he makes plays when in actual fact plays are made on him  :o
so true!

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The Mess Hall / Re: New-Gen Points [NGP]
« on: May 30, 2022, 03:50:31 am »
So you are saying Desant and Twister are low rated based on NWWC secondary nobody gives a shit about bracket? If you are rating off NWWC how the fuck can IRISH be above Twister then? How can any Irish player be correctly rated when they lost to Scotland and got smashed by England?

Also just to clarify it out bro, before saying that I didn't face some teams/players due to my team performance, you should know that I didn't play the last two tournaments at all. And all "official matches" for past months were only NWWC, in which I particularly carried all matches since came back from a short break when the war started.

Those are useful caveats to keep in mind, regarding Desant and Twister, but we can only rate based on what we see. As I said, NWWC is not the only consideration and the list is not solely based on team results. I know you didn't play much other than NWWC, but that means NWWC is the only tournament available as reference for you. You did play very well in it, hence why you're in tier 2, but I don't see how performances against players of the calibre you were facing is enough to set you apart. Any tier 2 player would be able to do the same against that opposition.

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The Mess Hall / Re: New-Gen Points [NGP]
« on: May 30, 2022, 03:03:46 am »
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Renegades/ENG/55th players who only play with each other inflating their own rankings because they're playing 'OK'. I understand you're probably upset that none of you on Star Points would be inflated or anywhere near the position you're placed (although I'll give it to HiReaper, he's actually good).
perform whilst not having Achilles babysit you and we'll talk

maybe but u cant perform if ur getting picked by him consistently in a finals

@me when you can survive more than 10 seconds without getting first-picked when you don't have a top player to hold your hand

https://youtu.be/Ul8w2KwanFU?t=44

I dont think you've ever even been next to someone who isn't somewhat decent

Congratulations on picking me though, there's only so much you can do when you're the play maker

my brother in christ, you weren't making plays - plays were being made on you
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You're delusional, you were consistently S keying against Rikus and I.

why lie when there’s a VIDEO of the opposite

Then we're watching different videos apart from one round, besides, Flusha got to the quarters, if I wanted to win I'd have taken someone else. It was a demoralising blow after we lost every match anyways, didn't even want to play your match since we knew we already lost and were out the bracket, though we did indeed get a round by you getting picked iirc. This also isn't about me, this is about the placement of Renegades in your list, 2v2 has little relevance.

waiting for who said 2v2 has anything to do with this list

Then why are you talking about it
cuz it made you mad 😂

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