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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #315 on: December 11, 2020, 10:48:31 am »
Yes, so how would anyone from the community be able to 'help out' a new regiment with that. The game is old and there's barely any new players coming in. Everyone knows the problems you described. But no one can 'help out new regiments' because there is no feasible way to do so. No one can magically make new recruits/new players appear, none can magically teach you how to lead, none can magically give new regiments slots to their events when there is already a 10 regiment long waiting list. These are issues that have existed for years, some of the things you pointed out have even always been this way, and they will only get more difficult the older this game gets. My point is that no one from the community would be able to help newer regiments resolve those issues. That's why I asked what kind of help he even expects someone will be able to give him. Because in my opinion there is no help that anyone could give that would resolve those issues.
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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #316 on: December 11, 2020, 11:02:55 am »
To add to Rikkert’s point recruiting is legit a pain in the ass because majority of the pubs never want to even try a single regiment for whatever reason. Experience competitive guys ain’t gonna join some rando who decides to make a brand new regiment from scratch. The best way to make a new regiment nowadays is to already have some people willing to join or else it won’t be possible. I’m not sure why anyone would want to make a new reg from scratch in the first place considering how old the game is and how hard recruiting is. The only way good players would join a low tier regiment is if some well known person does. Besides that GL starting a new regiment or making it better extremely quick.

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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #317 on: December 11, 2020, 12:26:59 pm »
first ogj are a new reg w new leadership but are casual

think we all need to accept game is dead and nothing we can do, its been 8 years and counting for me so pretty much done w it

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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #318 on: December 11, 2020, 01:18:14 pm »
first ogj are a new reg w new leadership but are casual

think we all need to accept game is dead and nothing we can do, its been 8 years and counting for me so pretty much done w it

1stOGJ gives me autism, if that is the standard of new NW regiment lord help us
So let’s just ignore someone like Maskman who knows next to nothing about leading and the capabilities of regiments performing well in a linebattle type of event.
To state that anyone on a “good day could beat the 77y/15thYR” is just a meme of its own, if that was the case why don't you beat the 77y or 15thYR then!?

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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #319 on: December 11, 2020, 01:37:04 pm »
first ogj are a new reg w new leadership but are casual

think we all need to accept game is dead and nothing we can do, its been 8 years and counting for me so pretty much done w it

1stOGJ gives me autism, if that is the standard of new NW regiment lord help us
i don't see any other new regs from scratch in the last few months or that are going to be created in the. next few

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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #320 on: December 11, 2020, 03:07:58 pm »
The comp scene in EU right now is pretty much 15th and 45thN then a small step down to 92nd/96y/27th then unfortunatly regiments like Ive, 55th and 2Lr which although are not bad regiments, cannot compete atm in a groupfights.... 

There's a few casual regiments which could do comp and are big enough if they wanted to but clearly just arent that interested... like 16th, 65y and more.... who can easily pull enough players who have been playing the game for a long time now...

and a special mention to 33rd who are competitive but since i have done about 1 gf with them in the last year idk how comp they are these days.

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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #321 on: December 11, 2020, 03:57:43 pm »
The comp scene in EU right now is pretty much 15th and 45thN then a small step down to 92nd/96y/27th then unfortunatly regiments like Ive, 55th and 2Lr which although are not bad regiments, cannot compete atm in a groupfights.... 

There's a few casual regiments which could do comp and are big enough if they wanted to but clearly just arent that interested... like 16th, 65y and more.... who can easily pull enough players who have been playing the game for a long time now...

and a special mention to 33rd who are competitive but since i have done about 1 gf with them in the last year idk how comp they are these days.
pppppsssssssssssssssssssssssssssst, It's been like 2-3 regiments max competing for nearly 3 years. We got spoiled during the first corona wave, but even then it was 3 regiments at most that were close in skill level at the top. Before that it was exactly the same as the situation you just described but with 15th and K-KA and a random reg every now and then that would disband within 6 months.

Edit: Tbf you can go back in time even further and see that in the RGL season of 2017 it was exactly the same. 66th and 85e at the top -> massive skill gap -> 77y and K-KA.
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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #322 on: December 11, 2020, 04:37:01 pm »
We should disband all regiments and make one huge regiment
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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #323 on: December 11, 2020, 05:12:43 pm »
The comp scene in EU right now is pretty much 15th and 45thN then a small step down to 92nd/96y/27th then unfortunatly regiments like Ive, 55th and 2Lr which although are not bad regiments, cannot compete atm in a groupfights.... 

There's a few casual regiments which could do comp and are big enough if they wanted to but clearly just arent that interested... like 16th, 65y and more.... who can easily pull enough players who have been playing the game for a long time now...

and a special mention to 33rd who are competitive but since i have done about 1 gf with them in the last year idk how comp they are these days.
pppppsssssssssssssssssssssssssssst, It's been like 2-3 regiments max competing for nearly 3 years. We got spoiled during the first corona wave, but even then it was 3 regiments at most that were close in skill level at the top. Before that it was exactly the same as the situation you just described but with 15th and K-KA and a random reg every now and then that would disband within 6 months.

Edit: Tbf you can go back in time even further and see that in the RGL season of 2017 it was exactly the same. 66th and 85e at the top -> massive skill gap -> 77y and K-KA.
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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #324 on: December 11, 2020, 05:19:52 pm »
We should disband all regiments and make one huge regiment

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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #325 on: December 23, 2020, 11:30:08 am »
What kind of help would a new reg even need though? Nobody can magically pull more active members out of their hat.

The uphill struggle is just getting steeper and steeper. Its easier to make a name out of yourself both skill wise and leadership wise if you just join one of the larger regiments at this point purely cos its getting increasingly difficult to actually recruit members if you start off a regiment with a small name. Especially cos the cooler more innovative events that are on offer are few and far between often requiring regiments to be well known and bigger (i.e 20+ for line regiments)

If you start off a fresh regiment that is specialist based it'd be even harder - the majority of top tier events have HUGE waiting lists for these types of units and there aren't even enough Linebattles going round (roughly 2 full events for weekdays and maybe 3 on weekends) to accommodate your specialist regiment, it'll be impossible to grabfor these specialists slots when you're competing against large regiments that'll bring a line too to secure that slot. As a small new line regiment you'd just get stuck in the same old boring events with heaps of specialist units just using and abusing you - something that we've all played repetitively for too many years, with a small of intake of recruits you could get on a good day (and even smaller retention rate - especially now) stagnation and repetitiveness is a recipe for disaster.

Kinda sad because theres no decent mid-low tier EU regiment that is positioning itself to be the dark horse of NW for 2021 that could both really introduce more players and get the purely casual players much more involved, but I guess if there is a demand something will always spring up, question is - is there even enough demand anymore?

Just came back to this thread and read this response. All this said here is entirely true. At the moment most people are forced to join a already existing regiment to get anywhere in the community. A large amount of regiments which turn from casual to competitive fail and turn back to casual. Mainly because it is so difficult to compete with a lot of the competitive regiments currently around. I sometimes fear the EU side of NW is becoming so much like the NA side. All you see are the same players winning tournaments. the same regiments on top. No change, even tho change is needed for an interesting, competitive and fluid environment.

A lot of new regiments also find it hard, as maskman pointed, to find events to go too where they can play anything but line inf. Most of the time these new regiments might have 8 guys. Where as an already established regiment could have 20. This massive attendance difference promotes small regiments to disband in order to join a larger regiment. Just so they can compete with numbers.

Kinda sad because theres no decent mid-low tier EU regiment that is positioning itself to be the dark horse of NW for 2021 that could both really introduce more players and get the purely casual players much more involved, but I guess if there is a demand something will always spring up, question is - is there even enough demand anymore?

There are a small number of regiments that I’ve seen come very far from where they once where at the start of the year. 55th for example, 17pp and FKG just to name a few. But the fact is that such things are rare, and I know for a fact that regiments at lower tier are met with much resistance in the ways of logistics and scrutiny from the community. E.G. finding private servers to do 1v1’s or GF’s on or just general bad attitude that makes it unfunny to pay with. Many smaller regiments are also dependant on large casual events as they don’t have there own servers they can use. That’s something we could look into I guess.

Maybe someone rather influential in the community could look into setting up some sort of private competitive league where smaller and mid tier regiments fight it out. Hosting a server so they won’t have too. I guess more smaller regiments would apply for this as they wouldn’t be against the highest tier regiments and so would actually have a chance to win. This could also motivate improvement in leadership and skill in smaller regiments. This could also help bring an influx of casual players to the competitive side of the community, something I feel is greatly needed.

All in all I feel there is more we can do as a community, we just need someone with established contacts and experience to set up something like this. I’d be up for helping to run anything like what I’ve stated above.

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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #326 on: December 23, 2020, 12:06:23 pm »
The community needs a regimental tournament without the 15thYR, 45thN, 92nd, 96y and 27th . These cancer regiments are killing the game.

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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #327 on: December 23, 2020, 12:13:15 pm »
The community needs a regimental tournament without the 15thYR, 45thN, 92nd, 96y and 27th . These cancer regiments are killing the game.

Host one then
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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #328 on: December 23, 2020, 02:02:35 pm »
Crazy how this thread was started in 2014 and we're still here for some reason
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Re: What IS killing the game?
« Reply #329 on: December 23, 2020, 02:25:45 pm »
Crazy how this thread was started in 2014 and we're still here for some reason

It’s cause we’re like politicians. Talk more about the issue and how to solve it. Then actually solving it.