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The Lounge => Off Topic => Topic started by: William on October 14, 2015, 02:05:48 pm

Title: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: William on October 14, 2015, 02:05:48 pm
I've yet to see a topic for this so here we go.

What are your all's thoughts so far on Russia's campaign into Syria?

Is America combating ISIS in an effective manner or should we take a new approach?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Duuring on October 14, 2015, 02:10:20 pm
Russia is in it to help Assad, the west is in it to help the opposition. However, we don't actually bomb Assad.

At the same time, 85% of all civilian casualties are caused by Assad, so the claim that Assad is better then IS doesn't really have merit. Sure, a mass-murderer killing thousands each month is better then a religious nut killing hundreds each month, amirite people?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Frederik on October 14, 2015, 03:38:13 pm
America did shit, russia did shit, Assad did shit, ISIS did shit, Turkey did shit, the kurds did shit. Hail Merkel
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: joer5835 on October 14, 2015, 03:40:13 pm
Hail Merkel
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Duuring on October 14, 2015, 03:46:25 pm
Hail Merkel
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Viriathus on October 14, 2015, 03:50:30 pm
Fuck Merkel
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Frederik on October 14, 2015, 04:05:16 pm
Fuck Merkel
Thanks for fixing it, its better now
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 14, 2015, 04:16:20 pm
I've applied for ISIS. Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: joer5835 on October 14, 2015, 04:20:48 pm
I've applied for ISIS. Wish me luck.

The NSA and the CIA might be watching you now. GG
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Rutger Müller on October 14, 2015, 04:27:02 pm
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Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 14, 2015, 04:30:31 pm
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Might as well take out all of Eastern Europe while you're at it.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: joer5835 on October 14, 2015, 04:36:13 pm
Bu-...but what about all dem oilz? Ya just gonna blow it all up?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Cazasar on October 14, 2015, 05:23:56 pm
The Iran is a pretty alright country in the area. No need to bomb that one
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 14, 2015, 05:25:29 pm
You're right but... to much work to re-locate.

But we can re-locate Saudi Arabia into Europe, renovate everything so it's nice, and then dem oilz.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: William on October 14, 2015, 10:40:21 pm
You're right but... to much work to re-locate.

But we can re-locate Saudi Arabia into Europe, renovate everything so it's nice, and then dem oilz.
I don't think that an Islamic country relocating to a predominately Christian/Non-religious area would bode well for either side.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Frederik on October 14, 2015, 10:45:46 pm
Watch out where you say that, in b4 " REFUGEES DESTROY EUROPE "
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MarshalKim on October 15, 2015, 08:25:02 am
Russia is in it to help Assad, the west is in it to help the opposition. However, we don't actually bomb Assad.

At the same time, 85% of all civilian casualties are caused by Assad, so the claim that Assad is better then IS doesn't really have merit. Sure, a mass-murderer killing thousands each month is better then a religious nut killing hundreds each month, amirite people?

Very interesting post.

I wish you would share more sources of information so we could better understand the process of allocating death responsibility.

Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MaxLam on October 15, 2015, 08:31:13 am
The US killed as many innocent people than Assad in only a few seconds in 1945.

Also, I feel sorry for US-backed moderate terrorists.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: _Leon_ on October 15, 2015, 09:14:38 am
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Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 15, 2015, 09:26:40 am
The US killed as many innocent people than Assad in only a few seconds in 1945.

Also, I feel sorry for US-backed moderate terrorists.

b-but our 5 remaining deployed soldiers will hold off the entire might of ISIS, Assad and Russia with their iron will and their faith in Lady Liberty, w-won't they?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Rejenorst on October 15, 2015, 09:34:06 am
Russia is in it to help Assad, the west is in it to help the opposition. However, we don't actually bomb Assad.

At the same time, 85% of all civilian casualties are caused by Assad, so the claim that Assad is better then IS doesn't really have merit. Sure, a mass-murderer killing thousands each month is better then a religious nut killing hundreds each month, amirite people?

Very interesting post.

I wish you would share more sources of information so we could better understand the process of allocating death responsibility.

Business insider quotes the 85% from Syrian activist groups which aren't always impartial or have a broad definition of the term civilian:

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Al Jazeera journalist Nir Rosen reported that many of the deaths reported daily by activists are in fact armed insurgents falsely presented as civilian deaths, but confirmed that real civilian deaths do occur on a regular basis.[19] A number of Middle East political analysts, including those from the Lebanese Al Akhbar newspaper, have also urged caution.[20][21][22]

This was later confirmed when in late May 2012, Rami Abdulrahman of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which is one of the opposition-affiliated groups counting the number of those killed in the uprising, stated that civilians who had taken up arms during the conflict were being counted under the category of "civilians".[23][24][25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
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I have no doubt the regime has killed plenty of civilians whether targeted or accidental but its always nice to know what constitutes said civilians.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MarshalKim on October 15, 2015, 09:02:25 pm
I have noo doubt the regime has killed plenty of civilians whether targeted or accidental but its always nice to know what constitutes said civilians.

Yep




what about that F-15 silent eagle
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nick Lazanis on October 15, 2015, 09:04:51 pm
The Iran is a pretty alright country in the area. No need to bomb that one

what are we supposed to do with nukes then eh?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Cazasar on October 15, 2015, 09:06:01 pm
The Iran is a pretty alright country in the area. No need to bomb that one

what are we supposed to do with nukes then eh?
nothing if you like your life
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: William on October 16, 2015, 03:51:50 am
When random polls pop up on your thread. #justfsethings

If anyone wants to learn about yet another small oil country. I personally just like when they go other news and then they get to Al Jazeera and say something along the lines of, "It's called Aljazeera, and it does something unprecedented in the Arab world. It covers the news."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ZuXbOtBbo
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Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MarshalKim on October 16, 2015, 04:04:40 am
The Iran is a pretty alright country in the area. No need to bomb that one

what are we supposed to do with nukes then eh?

Bomb utah and all the mormons.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Grantrithor on October 16, 2015, 04:29:44 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHfBIO-alTI

You're right but... to much work to re-locate.

But we can re-locate Saudi Arabia into Europe, renovate everything so it's nice, and then dem oilz.

Why would you want the worst state in the middle east to survive? Why not baller places like lebanon

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Not sure why your map still has Israel on it
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 16, 2015, 04:38:54 pm

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Not sure why your map still has Israel on it

Or Kazakhstan.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 16, 2015, 04:58:19 pm
THis forum exists still?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 16, 2015, 07:10:43 pm
It was dead for like a month. Maybe back now?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Furrnox on October 16, 2015, 07:19:01 pm
You're right but... to much work to re-locate.

But we can re-locate Saudi Arabia into Europe, renovate everything so it's nice, and then dem oilz.
I don't think that an Islamic country relocating to a predominately Christian/Non-religious area would bode well for either side.

You're right let's just take the oil.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MarshalKim on October 16, 2015, 09:57:51 pm
On these forums, the people of the left know more about the right then ones leaning right who also know very little of the left.

Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Stark99 on October 16, 2015, 11:46:27 pm
Fuck Israel Fuck America Fuck Assad Fuck USA #RestoretheSovietUnion

Sent from my SM-G800F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Saxon on October 17, 2015, 12:27:21 am
On these forums, the people of the left know more about the right then then those leaning right who also know very little of the left.

This fucked my mind, lol.

But aye, good job to Russia - can't support their decision of helping Assad after he yanno, used chemical weapons against civvies, but fuck IS.

Also, fuck Turkey. Genocide some more, pricks.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MrTiki on October 17, 2015, 12:39:24 am
The Iran is a pretty alright country in the area. No need to bomb that one

what are we supposed to do with nukes then eh?
nothing if you like your life
Building tangentially off of that, I really don't understand the 'uproar' when Corbyn said he wouldn't use nuclear weapons. Surely it's common sense? Britain's enemies (ones which may actually use violence against us) are only really terrorist groups, not nations. You can't nuke a terrorist group without also nuking a nation. Even if some nation did declare war on the UK, nuking them would achieve nothing, short of MAD (and possibly a nuclear winter). If they're a large nuclear armed nation, both would get obliterated, and if they're a small, non-nuclear nation, it wouldn't be possible anyway from sheer fallout. Plenty of nations get by just fine without nuclear capabilities, mainly because they don't go around interfering with other nations and making enemies.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MaxLam on October 17, 2015, 12:48:05 am
You must be MAD to declare war to a nation that has plenty of nuclear weapons... that's the point of having nuclear weapons. Now even if there was such a mad nation, you wouldn't need to wipe it with your nukes. You would use tactical nuclear weapons before using the big ones.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: William on October 17, 2015, 12:52:20 am
You must be MAD to declare war to a nation that has plenty of nuclear weapons... that's the point of having nuclear weapons. Now even if there was such a mad nation, you wouldn't need to wipe it with your nukes. You would use tactical nuclear weapons before using the big ones.
Nah, just straight to nuclear winter. fuck the world
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 17, 2015, 12:53:04 am
The Iran is a pretty alright country in the area. No need to bomb that one

what are we supposed to do with nukes then eh?
nothing if you like your life
Building tangentially off of that, I really don't understand the 'uproar' when Corbyn said he wouldn't use nuclear weapons. Surely it's common sense? Britain's enemies (ones which may actually use violence against us) are only really terrorist groups, not nations. You can't nuke a terrorist group without also nuking a nation. Even if some nation did declare war on the UK, nuking them would achieve nothing, short of MAD (and possibly a nuclear winter). If they're a large nuclear armed nation, both would get obliterated, and if they're a small, non-nuclear nation, it wouldn't be possible anyway from sheer fallout. Plenty of nations get by just fine without nuclear capabilities, mainly because they don't go around interfering with other nations and making enemies.

Because in effect he's saying he wouldn't retaliate against a nuclear attack on Britain, which implies that he's WEAK and UNPATRIOTIC. It's all just political pandering dickswabbery.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MaxLam on October 17, 2015, 01:43:08 am
Even when you have nuclear weapons, it's not easy to nuke a big country such as the United Kingdom because it has plenty of different defenses against such attacks (and UK is an American puppet). Moreover, shit countries don't have strong bombs like Russian Tsar, they couldn't destroy the whole country and would still have to face conventional retaliation, so I wouldn't say that the UK need Trident to defend itself against other nuclear powers or declarations of war.

We have more reasons to be affraid of shit countries like Pakistan, because they have no nuclear safety and could sell some small bombs to almost anyone, including ISIS.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 17, 2015, 02:07:08 am
Right, but if somehow a nuclear conflict did break out, the UK would be expected to assist its allies in targeting and ordinance. Corbyn saying he wouldn't use nukes is like France saying they wouldn't follow the US into Iraq. Maybe the smarter decision, but still not good diplomatically and upset a lot of people.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MrTiki on October 17, 2015, 02:47:16 am
You're half right Nipplestockings. The thing with nukes is when one country commits the other has to as well (assuming we're talking nuclear armed countries, which is the only time the UK would ever use them anyway), which of course is fucking stupid. But if you nuked North Korea (for example) you'd also fuck up South Korea, parts of China and probably Japan too.
And anyway nukes don't even stop countries from occupying you or anything; they're only really good at killing civilians.

I mean lets be honest, conventional warfare as we knew it in the first part of the 20th century doesn't really exist any more anyway, which is the only thing nukes were good deterrents of. Nowadays countries just use politics and deception to achieve military goals. Either they use proxy armies or go on peacekeeping missions or just use cyber warfare, there are plenty of way of attacking people you don't like short of actually declaring war, much less needing to nuke them.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MaxLam on October 31, 2015, 07:12:09 pm
We must thank the Islamic State for crashing this Russian airplane. Allah has made it possible! Now Putin will send more troops and more bombs in Syria. Allah is Great!  8)
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Rejenorst on October 31, 2015, 11:53:57 pm
But... it was accident  :o

Aren't they blaming the airline for the fault? <--- I am aware ur probably being sarcastic but I haven't been following up on events so if its being spun let me know.

EDIT:

Oic, Isis is trying to claim cred:

https://i.gyazo.com/11e26086d8ffd621da77b19ed8516df7.png
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Locust on November 01, 2015, 01:27:22 am
War is coming.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Earth Bby on November 01, 2015, 01:55:42 am
War is coming.

Lets hope ISIS will listen to the FurryBronyFeminists and see the light in time.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Locust on November 01, 2015, 03:21:00 am
In other news this song is really fucking good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0UgjyL4d1g
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Duuring on November 11, 2015, 12:54:28 am
http://en.etilaf.org/all-news/news/kurdish-anti-pyd-protests-in-hasaka.html

Woops did our favorite anarchist freedomfighters just start oppressing people?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 11, 2015, 01:08:57 am
Pls duuring, you make me cringe. The PYG are a political party, not anarchists. What they do can go from good to bad just like any other group in power.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MrTiki on November 15, 2015, 06:16:06 pm
An interesting piece written by a Singaporean Muslim:
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“I want to thank well-meaning non-Muslims who, in the wake of these attacks, have emphasised that they have been carried out by a small, twisted minority. A terrorist’s goal is to sow hatred and discord, and by not giving in, you are defeating their plans.

But I want to say that as a Muslim, I wish that we weren’t so quick to emphasise that this has nothing to do with us. While I personally have never killed anyone and none of my friends and family have ever resorted to violence, radicalism has everything to do with Islam. And the failure to address that out of a well-intentioned commitment to tolerance is making the problem worse.

ISIS is a Muslim organisation, and it is an Islamic problem. Let me say it again to be perfectly clear. ISIS is a Muslim organisation, and they are a cancer at the heart of Islam. And the problem will not go away until Muslims confront that.

ISIS attackers scream ‘Allah hu’akbar’ during their attacks.

ISIS recruits cite Qur’anic verses as justification for the rape and enslavement of women.

ISIS soldiers kill archaeologists, gay men and women, and people who refuse to convert to Islam because they are blasphemers.

There are no Christians in ISIS. There are no Buddhists, Jews, Pagans, Taoists, Houngans, Catholics, Wiccans, Hindus or even Scientologists in ISIS. ISIS is a Muslim organisation and they kill in the name of Islam.

So don’t say that ISIS aren’t ‘true Muslims’ or that they are ‘not really Muslims’. Like any large organisation, ISIS exists in a spectrum.

You have the aimless, restless teenager who never amounted to anything in his life and traveled to Syria because he can’t find a job and doesn’t know if the Qur’an is to be read from left to right or right to left. But you also have pious professionals, businessmen, and academics who read their Qur’an cover to cover, pray every day, were seduced into radicalism, and truly believe that the Islamic State’s goal of conquest is a noble one. The so-called ‘Caliph’ Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi has a doctorate in Islamic studies.

So if you feel that Muslims are being oppressed or killed in Muslim countries, I expect you to also be just as outraged by ISIS. Because they have killed more Muslims in Iraq, Syria and Jordan than the entire US army.

They have done more damage to the name and reputation of Islam than any Western nation. ISIS is Islam’s biggest enemy, not the US, not Israel or France or Germany or the Russians.

We have to own the problem. We have to admit that this is a religious problem, and we need to renew our commitment to a secular country which treats all religions equally. I have believed in the importance of secularism all my life, and with every day that passes that belief grows stronger. Religion is no way to govern a nation. Not any religion, and not any nation.

ISIS is not America’s problem, nor the British, nor the French. ISIS is not Syria or Iraq’s problem. ISIS is a problem for Muslims. And if you can’t admit that, you’re not really a good Muslim either.”
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I have to say that I disagree with the last lines of it, as it definitely is at least in part a Western problem; both its creation and its targets, but I commend the guy for having the guts to write something so bold, particularly given the political climate of Singapore.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MarshalKim on November 15, 2015, 08:54:21 pm
Donald Trump and Putin can solve this problem.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: UniversitasMetal on November 16, 2015, 02:05:13 pm
Can this retarded lie stop? US or "the West" did not create ISIS.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MaxLam on November 16, 2015, 02:20:40 pm
Can this retarded lie stop? US or "the West" did not create ISIS.
Seeing this I decided to change my vote and voted ISIS instead of "and".
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: William on November 16, 2015, 02:21:39 pm
Can this retarded lie stop? US or "the West" did not create ISIS.
I'm pretty sure we did. Nothing like going in, removing the Tyrannical leader that was able to suppress the extremists, then inserting a weak puppet government, rearming their military, and then leaving it to sectarian conflict.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: BabyJesus on November 16, 2015, 02:23:12 pm
>>>>when ISIS targets your city
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 16, 2015, 03:05:15 pm
Can this retarded lie stop? US or "the West" did not create ISIS.

Your definition of a lie is anything that contradicts your sheltered worldview.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: UniversitasMetal on November 16, 2015, 06:00:58 pm
Can this retarded lie stop? US or "the West" did not create ISIS.

Your definition of a lie is anything that contradicts your sheltered worldview.
You need to stop projecting.
Can this retarded lie stop? US or "the West" did not create ISIS.
I'm pretty sure we did. Nothing like going in, removing the Tyrannical leader that was able to suppress the extremists, then inserting a weak puppet government, rearming their military, and then leaving it to sectarian conflict.
If US didn't remove Saddam, what do you think would have happened to the Kurds, or Kuwait? Its not like USA invaded for no reason.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 16, 2015, 06:08:09 pm
Holy shit
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Post by: Grantrithor on November 16, 2015, 06:49:03 pm
Its not like USA invaded for no reason.

wew lad
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: BabyJesus on November 16, 2015, 09:58:15 pm
So recently I found out that ISIS has targeted a city like 10 minutes away from me. Now a group of Muslims just moved in across the street from me. Should I be worried?  :-[
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 16, 2015, 10:02:39 pm
Yes, they've read your internet messages and they're coming to get you. Make sure to scream "MUZZIES OUT REEEEEEEEEE" at the top of your lungs when you see them.
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Post by: BabyJesus on November 16, 2015, 10:06:40 pm
Yes, they've read your internet messages and they're coming to get you. Make sure to scream "MUZZIES OUT REEEEEEEEEE" at the top of your lungs when you see them.
ok I'm gonna go get them before they can get me!thanks for the advice
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Grantrithor on November 16, 2015, 11:17:12 pm
So recently I found out that ISIS has targeted a city like 10 minutes away from me. Now a group of Muslims just moved in across the street from me. Should I be worried?  :-[

Load up on guns, bring your friends.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 17, 2015, 02:56:13 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC5_W_zUzHc
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 17, 2015, 04:40:29 am
They said not to throw stones. Nothing about shooting.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 17, 2015, 04:59:15 pm
Russian strategic bombers in Syria. Bretty cool stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igzjX1IKULw
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MarshalKim on November 17, 2015, 11:03:01 pm
Excellent video, thanks.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/10/11/caspian-sea-russia-navy-missiles-attack-strike-military-naval-syria-frigate-corvette-lcs-littoral-combat-ship/73671188/
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MaxLam on November 27, 2015, 10:01:02 am
 A very important shift: France FM Laurent Fabius has declared that it's possible to include the Syrian Army in the struggle against the Islamic State.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Stark99 on November 29, 2015, 01:51:19 am
Today (Nov 29th 2015) is the international day of solidarity with the Palestinian people. #FreePalestine #Israelthenationofevil
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Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: William on November 29, 2015, 02:35:42 am
This is shaping up to be a massive proxy war for a ton of nations.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: RussianFury on November 29, 2015, 02:47:15 am
http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/new-isis-islamic-state-news-pictures-videos-no-respite-english-language-propaganda-full-uncensored-youtube-daesh/
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Post by: StevenChilton on November 29, 2015, 03:36:44 am
This is shaping up to be a massive proxy war for a ton of nations.

Who do people think will win? Or will there just be a partition of Syria and/or Iraq so that everyone gets a silver medal?
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Ted on November 29, 2015, 03:05:57 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.web.de%2Fimage%2F096%2F31169096%2Cpd%3D4%2Cf%3Dsize-xxl.jpg&hash=e6271de8de5b613a4192e38269cd839df6273d4c)

#rekISIS
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MaxLam on November 29, 2015, 03:14:34 pm
Isn't that strange to have a NATO signature when one of the member countries, Turkey, is apparently helping ISIS?
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Post by: Dazzer on November 29, 2015, 03:17:53 pm
Isn't that strange to have a NATO signature when one of the member countries, Turkey, is apparently helping ISIS?
lel, no. It's just annoying, the same thing like #prayforparis
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Ted on November 29, 2015, 04:01:12 pm
Isn't that strange to have a NATO signature when one of the member countries, Turkey, is apparently helping ISIS?
lel, no. It's just annoying, the same thing like #prayforparis

You know what also is annoying? Your existence.

#SaltyAsFuck
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Dazzer on November 29, 2015, 04:27:44 pm
Isn't that strange to have a NATO signature when one of the member countries, Turkey, is apparently helping ISIS?
lel, no. It's just annoying, the same thing like #prayforparis

You know what also is annoying? Your existence.

#SaltyAsFuck
yes, we know :/
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Danik on November 29, 2015, 08:50:47 pm
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#rekISIS
That's so funny and ironic because Germany and NATO as a whole is doing nothing against ISIS, and Turkey is buying oil from them while you post shit about Russia for bombing terrorist groups in Syria. What have Luftwaffe done the last 20 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Air_Force#2010s
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Ted on November 29, 2015, 09:10:44 pm
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#rekISIS
That's so funny and ironic because Germany and NATO as a whole is doing nothing against ISIS, and Turkey is buying oil from them while you post shit about Russia for bombing terrorist groups in Syria. What have Luftwaffe done the last 20 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Air_Force#2010s

-- > Kosovo, Afghanistan, Air Policing with NATO at the eastern borders

Now I am interested in what  the Norwegian airforce has done over the last 20 years.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MarshalKim on November 29, 2015, 10:22:54 pm
NATO is lame
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Colonel Howe on November 30, 2015, 12:49:03 am
NATO is lame
+1
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Grantrithor on November 30, 2015, 02:28:02 am
NATO is lame

We should make our own organization about pimpin hoes and saving the environment
BATO - Bitches and Trees Organization.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: junedragon on November 30, 2015, 04:52:16 am
The US has already lost. Years of ineffectual blundering and bizarre, humiliating statements like "we don't have a plan yet" on their part. Now Putin steps in, the model of decisiveness and conviction, to clean up the mess.

 Because America still hasnt fucking learned 2 things from over a decade of war in the Middle East:

1) Its hypocritical as fuck to pick and choose which oppressive regimes to support

2) Removing leaders that, although oppressive, are lynchpins in maintaining stability in a region is an awful fucking idea.

Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Rejenorst on November 30, 2015, 11:56:45 am
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A Turkish prosecutor has asked for the arrest of senior commanders in a case involving Syria-bound trucks sent by Turkey’s National Intelligence Agency (MİT) and as part of an investigation into the alleged creation of a fake terrorist group called Selam Tevhid, in which U.S.-based Islamic scholar Fethullah Gülen is a suspect along with 121 others.

Istanbul Deputy Chief Prosecutor İrfan Fidan interrogated Ankara Gendarmerie Regional Commander Maj. Gen. İbrahim Aydın, Brig. Gen. Hamza Celepoğlu and Ret. Col. Burhanettin Cihangiroğlu on Nov. 28 and sent them to court appealing for their arrest on Nov. 29.

The subject of the MİT’s purported arms deliveries to Syria has been high on the country’s agenda in the wake of Turkey’s downing of a Russian jet on Nov. 24, and the arrest of two prominent journalists, daily Cumhuriyet Editor-in-Chief Can Dündar and Ankara Bureau Chief Erdem Gül, on Nov. 26 on charges of collecting and revealing secret documents for espionage and supporting (though not being a member of) an armed terrorist organization. The accusations against Dündar and Gül were based on reports in Cumhuriyet regarding the Syria-bound MİT trucks.

“By stopping MİT trucks and checking what was inside, they announced it to the world through espionage. What did they say then? They said, ‘These [trucks] are providing weapons for a terrorist organization.’ They exposed the humanitarian assistance which was sent to Bayırbucak Turkmens in this way. They exposed what was sent to the Free Syrian Army [FSA] in this way,” President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Nov. 28.

In January 2014, trucks belonging to the MİT were stopped by a prosecutor who sought to have the gendarmerie search the vehicles in the southern province of Adana before they crossed into Syria. Claiming that the trucks were carrying “humanitarian aid to Turkmens” in the war-torn country, the Turkish government accused followers of Gülen in the judiciary and security institutions of illegally ordering the search.

In February 2014, a ban was imposed on the publication of reports about the search, and in April 2015 a Turkish court arrested 17 active soldiers who stopped the trucks.

There has long been speculation that the aid was actually being sent to jihadists in Syria.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-prosecutor-seeks-arrest-of-senior-commanders-in-case-of-intel-trucks-to-syria-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=91830&NewsCatID=341
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MaxLam on November 30, 2015, 03:41:16 pm
Which country arrest a prosectuor because he arrested a truck carrying weapons ("humanitarian aid")? Was he supposed to know anything about the MIT activities? This country is a shame.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: MrTiki on November 30, 2015, 04:43:12 pm
http://www.ibtimes.com/turkeys-president-erdogan-demands-life-sentence-whistleblower-journalist-1951742
I found this article slightly easier to understand (mainly the phrasing of it).

This is why Turkey will never join the EU, at least while Erdogan is in power.
I don't believe there's any evidence as to which rebel groups the arms were going to (that I found in a brief search), but I hope it was to opposition in Syria rather than IS.
Tbh I'm almost surprised that Erdogan hasn't tried pissing off IS on purpose so they attack Turkey and he can use it as an excuse for beefing up security and becoming even more authoritarian than he already is. Then again, I guess it may reflect badly on his election platform of stability, so maybe he'd rather try to keep them ambivalent to him and be judged "successful" by keeping relative stability.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Augy on November 30, 2015, 06:04:00 pm
Nice try with your cute article, Duuring. But its just idiotic youth followers of the Kurdish National Council, they are illegitimate Oil Barons that try to hold on to power.

You have failed once again in your spineless effort to downplay the YPG, keep at it though because its entertaining. Really shows how afraid you and your ilk are of an ideology that openly critiques the state systems' many failings, and even more concerning for statists, it actually implements alternative modes of organization/solutions.
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: William on December 01, 2015, 01:50:55 am
Interesting. Erdogan is really trying to puff his chest at this point
http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2015/11/30/erdogan-challanges-putin-to-resign-if-he-cant-prove-turkey-buys-oil-from-daesh
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: William on December 02, 2015, 02:50:15 am
You go Assad
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ivysilani/10997918455-mimoradne-porady-ct24/215411034000172-rozhovor-s-basarem-asadem/
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: junedragon on December 03, 2015, 01:13:13 am
Its time folks  8)

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Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Ted on December 03, 2015, 09:48:06 pm
Sorry, wrong thread
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: KurassierNixon on December 03, 2015, 09:54:52 pm
the middle east is a bad place
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: Colonel Howe on December 03, 2015, 10:04:55 pm
Sorry, wrong thread
HOLY FUCKING SHIT QUIT RUINING FSE YOU ARE SO AUTISTIC OMG YOU COME IN HERE AND RUIN ALL THE GOOD CONVERSATION AND THREADS WITH YOUR OFF TOPIC BULLSHIT

OSHAKNFOSBCOS
Title: Re: Syria, Iraq, ISIS, and the Middle East.
Post by: KurassierNixon on December 03, 2015, 10:07:12 pm
Maybe we should send Bernie Sanders to Syria so he can die. W e w l a d