The General Political Thread

[Furrnox]

I don't believe any progressive government in Europe (all of the west) would ever DREAM about implementing conscription.

We just reimplemented it like 2-3 years ago, due to lack of people applying for the military.
But it's very limited conscription though.

[Sgt.Winters]

If I wanted guaranteed PTSD that occurs from foreign intervention, I'd sign up for the Peace Corps.

[Big Pete]

As I said, the majority is there to support a majority who do the fighting, of which most do not die.

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[DaMonkey]

I believe he meant a majority are there to support the minority who do the fighting (logistics and such).

[Riddlez]

I believe he meant a majority are there to support the minority who do the fighting (logistics and such).

Yes, exactly this.

As I mentioned before, the ratio is about 1:8 nowadays I think.

[Big Pete]

I believe he meant a majority are there to support the minority who do the fighting (logistics and such).

Yes, exactly this.

As I mentioned before, the ratio is about 1:8 nowadays I think.

So you are saying that if there was a total war between let's say Germany and France those 8 out of 9 still wouldn't do the fighting?

[Riddlez]

I believe he meant a majority are there to support the minority who do the fighting (logistics and such).

Yes, exactly this.

As I mentioned before, the ratio is about 1:8 nowadays I think.

So you are saying that if there was a total war between let's say Germany and France those 8 out of 9 still wouldn't do the fighting?

Not exactly, there still would be some logistics units that'd come under fire. But yes, in general there's 8 out of 9 people who generally wouldn't be fighting.

[Big Pete]

I believe he meant a majority are there to support the minority who do the fighting (logistics and such).

Yes, exactly this.

As I mentioned before, the ratio is about 1:8 nowadays I think.

So you are saying that if there was a total war between let's say Germany and France those 8 out of 9 still wouldn't do the fighting?

Not exactly, there still would be some logistics units that'd come under fire. But yes, in general there's 8 out of 9 people who generally wouldn't be fighting.

So Netherlands with 25k military would have 2,8k people fighting.     

[Riddlez]

So Netherlands with 25k military would have 2,8k people fighting.     

Not 25k in military. Our ministry of defence is 52.000 ith 42.000 military. I really don't know where your numbers are coming from mate.
Also I was talking in-theatre. As I said there will be huge differences in the different operational commands.

For example

Out of 18000 people in the land component, we have 7 battalions of active combat unit, so ~4200 fighting units.
In the airforce the numbers are much different. There are about 7000 people in the Dutch Air Force but only a couple of hundred are pilots, meaning combat.

[Big Pete]

So they are not really military, might as well work in any other administration.

[StevenChilton]

Lmao, video footage has emerged of a shirtless Bernie Sanders singing Soviet propaganda songs with a group of Russians.
https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status/1089909214213038081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Duuring]

It depends on what you define as combat, though. You can use an incredibly broad definition ('Anyone who is in an active combat zone', or even 'Anyone carrying or managing a weapon') or a very narrow one ('Anyone who can be expected under normal circumstances to come under direct fire'). But even that leaves a large grey area.
If (I'm just talking layman terms here) you're an engineer, your job is not to fight people but to support those who do. But a combat engineer is still quite likely to come indirect or even direct fire, despite fighting not being their primary job. But imagine being in a large-caliber artillery unit. The changes of you coming under direct fire are small, but you are, unlike the engineer, actively trying to kill people. When does your supporting become fighting, and when does your fighting become supporting?

Lmao, video footage has emerged of a shirtless Bernie Sanders singing Soviet propaganda songs with a group of Russians.
https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status/1089909214213038081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

And the clear relevancy of this video is...

[Olafson]

Just because your task is not to fight, does not mean that you are not part of the military.J

If there were only frontline troops, where would they get their food, water, ammo, information etc. ? Who would guard the military bases at home?

[Big Pete]

My point is that he was saying that majority of military is there for logistics when it quite clear i was talking about part of the military that is there to do the fighting. And there is quite simple definition of what combat is, everyone that is there with purpose of killing others or destroying enemy equipment/supplies while its possible to hurt personel in the process.

Just because your task is not to fight, does not mean that you are not part of the military.J

If there were only frontline troops, where would they get their food, water, ammo, information etc. ? Who would guard the military bases at home?

Other soldiers would do it that are equally cappable of fighting on a front line? And they would probably have to fight since supply routes would be attacked and military bases as well?

[Big Pete]

Lmao, video footage has emerged of a shirtless Bernie Sanders singing Soviet propaganda songs with a group of Russians.
https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status/1089909214213038081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ah clear proof he is a evil Soviet Communist that would prepare the ground for the undead Red Army under the command of undead Stalin to invade USA and eventually whole world.

Russian = Bad
Communist = Bad