US Politics thread

[BabyJesus]

Inb4 John Kaisich is our next president

[Karth]

that electoral thing doesnt matter, clinton has no path to victory, even if 37 electors dont vote for trump, it just goes to the house and they will either still vote for Trump or another Republican (being highly unlikely)

[DaMonkey]

I could be wrong, but if it went to the House and they didn't go for Trump, I'm pretty sure they'd have to pick someone actually in the bid for Presidency; as far as I know all Republicans dropped after the Primaries.

[Thunderstormer]

I could be wrong, but if it went to the House and they didn't go for Trump, I'm pretty sure they'd have to pick someone actually in the bid for Presidency; as far as I know all Republicans dropped after the Primaries.

"In this event, the House of Representatives is limited to choosing from among the three candidates who received the most electoral votes for president."  i don't think anyone outside of trump and clinton got an electoral vote.(off memory)

[Karth]

They don't vote until December 19, it's very much possible an elector could switch to voting for someone like Kasich instead of Trump, and therefore for instance Kasich being in the top three; and when it goes to house with a majority of Republican state delegations they could convene and vote Kasich (if that doesn't work out it's another long process)

[DaMonkey]

But that's the thing, he dropped out. As far as I know, you can not re-enter the bid this late in the year.

[Karth]

But that's the thing, he dropped out. As far as I know, you can not re-enter the bid this late in the year.

It has nothing to do with re entering the bid, an elector can still put his name down and whoever it is, even if he wrote Vernon Supreme, the third most with highest number of electoral votes will be in contention (again technically yes they should at least have ran like Kasich did)

[BabyJesus]

I wonder why an elector would choose kasich instead of Cruz. I think it would be easier to defend that pick since he did alot better in the primaries while kasich did kinda bad       

no matter what i think people in Democrat states will be pissed if they dont change their votes to hilary

[Thunderstormer]

I wonder why an elector would choose kasich instead of Cruz. I think it would be easier to defend that pick since he did alot better in the primaries while kasich did kinda bad     

depends on their ideology or what they feel is right.  They may feel he is more moderate, and even someone who is a democrat, may feel they are the lesser evil from their POV.

[Duuring]

I have to admit that I find it somewhat amusing that there is so much confusion amongst Americans themselves on how their system works.

[Theodin]

I have to admit that I find it somewhat amusing that there is so much confusion amongst Americans themselves on how their system works.

Woah, so you have a perfect understanding of how the EU and Netherlands governments work? Otherwise, you can't say shit

[StevenChilton]

I have to admit that I find it somewhat amusing that there is so much confusion amongst Americans themselves on how their system works.

Woah, so you have a perfect understanding of how the EU and Netherlands governments work? Otherwise, you can't say shit

True, I spent 6 months in law school studying the governance of the EU and EU law (not voluntarily it was built into the course) and it was really, really hard. It's as if they made it deliberately confusing so that ordinary people wouldn't know how it worked and thus were kept in the dark as to what was going on. I mean take the Treaty of Lisbon (the closest thing the EU has to a constitution)- it's actually unreadable because it's basically a very long list of articles changing the wording of previous articles in previous treaties. It's the most bizarre document I've ever read, and I'm fairly sure that's deliberate. They had such massive problems getting the EU Constitutional Treaty through in 2005 (which was voted down by the French and Dutch in referendums and was far more explicit in its wording) that they re-packaged it as the Treaty of Lisbon and made it as complicated as possible so that national parliaments, ordinary citizens and the media wouldn't understand it.

Read it yourself if you don't believe me: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:12007L/TXT&from=EN

[Theodin]

That document is bizarre, fuck

[Duuring]

No, but like most of my countrymen, I have a pretty good understanding on how we get our executive government.

[Theodin]

That's the weakest defense I've ever heard. Just drop this topic before you embarrass yourself further