Thoughts about "Confederate Flag" being banned

[Nipplestockings]

That said, it would be equally foolhardy to disregard all the other factors in play and simply treat the entire war as a glorious crusade of the freedom loving North against the evil slave loving South, as some do.

I think it's also foolhardy to believe that there are a large number of people who actually belief this to be the case. Living in the north, I've never really heard anyone say that the North is above all evil and that the civil war was fought to destroy the evil south and free the slaves who the north loved and idolized. Most people who dislike the confederacy also dislike the Union. Because, you know, the natives and shit. And the millions of other people who've been displaced and murdered at the hands of the US government.

[junedragon]

That said, it would be equally foolhardy to disregard all the other factors in play and simply treat the entire war as a glorious crusade of the freedom loving North against the evil slave loving South, as some do.

I think it's also foolhardy to believe that there are a large number of people who actually belief this to be the case. Living in the north, I've never really heard anyone say that the North is above all evil and that the civil war was fought to destroy the evil south and free the slaves who the north loved and idolized. Most people who dislike the confederacy also dislike the Union. Because, you know, the natives and shit. And the millions of other people who've been displaced and murdered at the hands of the US government.

Never implied there were many, have seen my fair sure though (a few rabid SJW's I know irl, mostly from the high school I went to, and the usual le edgy internet children).

But that's beside the point.

[Marceaux]

How could slavery be the cause of the civil war if slavery wasn't an issue until halfway into the war?

Anyone?

[Nipplestockings]

Because it was an issue decades before the war.

[Devmc99]

How could slavery be the cause of the civil war if slavery wasn't an issue until halfway into the war?

lol, Are you serious?

[Hinkel]

Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said

Ah.. I love statistics.. but thats SO wrong. 8 % of the southern population owned 1-4 black slaves.. another 8% were those big plantages owners which had more (so 16% slave owners in the south). There were even some hundrets of free-black man in the south, which owned slaves too!

Beside that, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! General Sherman had many slaves that served him until after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
Also don't forget, that the Union had slave states too...

[Nick Lazanis]

Also,Lee released his slaves way before the war.

[MaxLam]

The data apparently corresponds to the 1860 census (1/4 Southern families owned slaves), however the chart itself is wrong. 16% represents 1/4 of the total number of whites according to the data provided by the figure. So it should actually look like Zelda's triforce:



Slave owners above the red line. The volume of slaves is almost correct (slightly overrepresented).

The psychological impact is totally different.

I made this more accurate pie chart:




Also see data from the 1860 census:

http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html

As you can notice, the number of slave owners is much higher in some states. Mississipi and South Carolina are the worst with half families owning slaves and more than half of the population being slaves.

[HawkonPC]

Only 75% of the Southern population owned slaves! Now that that's been stated, slavery was LONG established well before the civil war. And finally, General Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and so did Stonewall Jackson. Nuff said

Ah.. I love statistics.. but thats SO wrong. 8 % of the southern population owned 1-4 black slaves.. another 8% were those big plantages owners which had more (so 16% slave owners in the south). There were even some hundrets of free-black man in the south, which owned slaves too!

Beside that, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! General Sherman had many slaves that served him until after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
Also don't forget, that the Union had slave states too...

I actually thought he was joking when i first read it, how can you get a statistic so wrong....

[Fives53544]

This has gone from "thoughts about confederate flag being banned" to how many slaves did everyone own? lol

[Nick Lazanis]

yeap....

[Hinkel]

This has gone from "thoughts about confederate flag being banned" to how many slaves did everyone own? lol

Its okay.. its an important topic

I raised it again.. 

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[Lilja Mariasdóttir]

By the way, our neighbour (germany) has the battleflag in his garden for years now 

[Fives53544]

This has gone from "thoughts about confederate flag being banned" to how many slaves did everyone own? lol

Its okay.. its an important topic

I raised it again.. 

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Bravo. Btw it's not banned

[MaxLam]

Who would want to ban it in a historical video game? Except Apple.