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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2012, 01:39:02 pm »
Yeah, I feel it might have sounded cooler in Dutch. What would be the translation for that in Dutch anyway? I'll try to find the French one, I saw it somewhere.

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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2012, 02:04:11 pm »
That would be:

"Kom mijn kamaraden! Laat ons onze sabels in deze Fransen steken! De overwinning is van ons!"

Or something close to that.  ;)


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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2012, 02:55:08 pm »
How so?

French is also on our banner.

I was tought that back then, French was considered the language for nobles in the low lands.
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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2012, 03:00:15 pm »
Yeah, afterall the Netherlands had been occupied by France for a while and French is the language of the Walloons so it is understandable that he said it in French, especially considering that he was addressing the 2nd Belgian Carabiniers and many of them had previously fought in French cuirassier regiments.

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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2012, 03:30:34 pm »
French was the lingua franca in high-class Europa at that time, much like English is now. The 'Belgian' regiments of the Dutch army for the the greatest part spoke French. The army list of the 8th hussars, for example, is written entirely in French.

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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2012, 05:41:54 pm »
Speaking about the Dutch actually, does anyone know the speculations as to what would have happened had the the Orangists managed to keep the country out of france influence?

The Empire wouldn't have fallen to Brittain then?
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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2012, 06:42:17 pm »
You mean, if the French hadn't taken the Netherlands?

I think that would only be possible if the French had been totally defeated. It's a bit hard to explain, but the Revolutionaries wouldn't let a country with basically a royal family just 'be' on their northern border. They were exporting 'Freedom, equality and brothership' to Europa by force.

Don't forget the Netherlands got all their stuff back from GB after the war, with the exception of South Africa. Nevertheless, the Dutch never had a big empire.

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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2012, 06:48:13 pm »
But since they took it anyway, I can imagine that the trade and local economies would be hampered.
And besides that, south africa was pretty important.

Also, the Dutch Empire was the 16th in size of history ever. Can't exactly say it wasn't big. :P
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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2012, 07:11:40 pm »
Compared to the French, British and Spanish and Portuguese empires, it was small. Just a bunch of islands, (the coast of) Suriname, a few fortresses and cities on the coast of Africa and current day Indonesia(Which didn't became a very big colony until AFTER the Napoleonic era). And a small Japanese island.

Compare that to Portugal: Brazil, multiple fortresses  and large colonies in Africa, lots of tiny islands in both the Atlantic and Indonesia, and a small Indian region.

Dutch wealth was found in trading, not in exploring their colonies. The 'big' expanding of the Dutch colonies didn't start until (Like I said) after the Napoleonics, when there was not enough wealth to be found in just trading.

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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2012, 07:12:44 pm »
Allright, thanks for the explenation. ^ ^
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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2012, 05:59:37 pm »
Oh I almost forgot, before the battle of Waterloo, Merlen's light cavalry brigade (6th Dutch Hussars and 5th Belgian light dragoons) captured several contingents of French cavalry in border skirmishes but since the British cabinet refused to declare war against France as opposed to war on Napoleon, Wellington ordered The Prince of Orange to send them back to France

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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2012, 06:23:39 pm »
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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2012, 06:26:59 pm »
What are the Nassau. Was playing some NTW3 and noticed the Dutch had a decent amount of Nassau troops. The Nassau are germans Right? If so why do they have allegiance to the Netherlands?
Of course, I also think lines should be able to move in double rank without having emotional breakdowns.

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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2012, 07:55:02 pm »
Sorta like a mix of Germans and Dutch, and there was no Germany at the time

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Re: The Dutch at Waterloo
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2012, 08:40:15 pm »
Nassau was not just a place, it was also a noble house, and had marital and dynastic ties to the house of Orange, hence the Principality of Orange-Nassau. In 1815 though Willem IV traded Nassau with Prussia for Luxembourg, and it was then ceded to the independant Duchy of Nassau.

Therefore, the two Nassau battalions at Waterloo were under Wellington's command, but not as part of the Netherlands' armies, they were simply post-Confederation anti-Bonapartist forces - contributing to the Seventh Coalition. Their commander, von Kruse, had actually fought against Wellington's forces before in Spain from his time in the Confederation of the Rhine, but they could apparently put the past behind them for the sake of the present.