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Offline Colonel Howe

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2610 on: September 24, 2015, 11:24:38 pm »
i support some of what marx stood for but i don't agree with all of it. I believe in democracy and working through problems with a parliamentarian approach, the change should and can come by democratic means.
So what you're telling me is...

You're not a socialist?

Good, that's settled
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2611 on: September 25, 2015, 12:23:22 am »
No he's a DEMOCRATIC socialist! Because somehow socialism at its core isn't democratic enough for him even though it's the purest democracy possible. Hmff.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2612 on: September 25, 2015, 02:09:18 am »
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2614 on: September 25, 2015, 03:02:11 am »
I'm upset my candidate is getting Trump'd too, Marc.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2616 on: September 25, 2015, 05:44:18 am »
Massive job loss will take place, but if left allowed to, the market will adapt. I just don't want my job to be taken away from me, tbh.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2617 on: September 25, 2015, 06:23:41 am »
i support some of what marx stood for but i don't agree with all of it. I believe in democracy and working through problems with a parliamentarian approach, the change should and can come by democratic means.
So what you're telling me is...

You're not a socialist?

Good, that's settled
jesus christ man, what i'm saying is that marx said that the proletariat must overthrow the bourgeoisie, many have interpreted this as revolution (typically violent). The emphasis on "democratic" socialism is that we must obtain socialism through "democratic" means of election as opposed to violent revolution. I know that this is not what democratic socialism technically means but it's important to make that distinction because we should not be hypocrites. Why overthrow the government and install a democracy if we have a democracy, why not instead achieve socialism within the democracy we have? I know this is probably contrary to what you believe and i know you could easily make the argument of "US is not a democracy" but i'm saying in general if there is a democracy in place, there is no need for a violent overthrow, rather a political movement of the left as we are seeing now.

Understand that i am in no way an ideologue of socialism or marxism, i do not know that this is the right way to go and i constantly question the things that i learn, the things i was taught, especially marxism and socialism. I know that you're trying to say that i am not a socialist but in fact i am. Earlier you defined socialism as this,
"a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"
This is exactly what i believe in as the end goal, the primary objective, i am by your own definition, a socialist. We are more debating how to achieve socialism not who is a socialist.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2618 on: September 25, 2015, 08:33:38 am »

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2619 on: September 25, 2015, 03:19:35 pm »
The distinction between democratic socialism and socialism is dumb, though

Socialism is democratic in its very nature

And what social democrats like yourself propose is nothing more than masturbatory, liberal bullshit. It's demanding that the working class keep complacent because they can't possibly comprehend it and need some career politicians to make their lives better through a capitalistic system.

What you want has been done and proposed in almost every major revolution (i.e. there is a shaking up of the existing order and politicians are placed in power that will reform the system to popular demand). Most of the time, this liberal elite always betrayed the working class and quickly used the the systems of despotism to crush popular demand.

If you wanna trot around as some kind of freethinker, be my guest. But don't try and make your politics seem different than those masturbatory liberals who said, "lol capitalism now, socialism later you dumb peasants"
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2620 on: September 25, 2015, 04:09:26 pm »
Ideas are plagues, no matter what it's a power hierarchy by the 'idealistic' over their followers and previous subjugators. There's a very low probability that every man, woman, and child will be vigilant enough for such a thing to not happen after a revolution, and if they are it usually ends like 1789 where the people who embraced the revolution a bit too much were slated for a good ol' decapitation.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2621 on: September 25, 2015, 04:19:11 pm »

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2622 on: September 25, 2015, 04:20:09 pm »
is it just me or does sanders actally look like a sheep dog

like his facial structure


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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2623 on: September 25, 2015, 04:21:46 pm »
He looks like Milton Friedman.



Hmm, maybe they're the same person.

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Re: 2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)
« Reply #2624 on: September 25, 2015, 04:24:04 pm »
is he almost dead yet?


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