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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 08:04:21 pm »

Every background check involves your mental health. That's one of the items they specifically check.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 08:02:15 pm »

A number of states have state defense forces, which fall under the heading "militia"

Well if the check didn't find anything incriminating then it was a damn shitty check. You came in patronising people for not knowing gun laws. Don't try and frame it as though you were only pointing out that there are already background checks because, in some cases there aren't.

What do you propose they do, open the person's skull and read their brain? We can only judge people based on what they show us, in what they say and do, and it's quite possible for someone to be completely normal until they're not.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 05:56:59 pm »

You've probably got the right on that one.

I am by no means any kind of expert on ballistics.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 05:41:57 pm »

9mm. Higher mass, inertia, all that. 5.56 will maintain its penetration abilities at a longer range, but closer to the muzzle the 9 shines in that regard. Which is weird, because you don't expect it to work like that, and obviously materials designed to catch rounds will work better on 9mm, but that's physics for you.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 05:34:50 pm »

9mm is actually more dangerous to people on the other side of a wall than 5.56, when they do penetrate.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 05:04:31 pm »

Yes they exist, sure. Not everywhere though.

I mean... I was in Salt Lake City this summer and went to the range.
I could, as a foreigner, buy any rifle or pistol I wanted. No background checks involved, I didn't even need to register myself.

Bullshit. Federal regulations require all FFLs to run a background check on all firearms sold. Violation of this results in a visit from your friendly neighborhood ATF agents, and a long period of time in a very small room.

Gun ownership is fine when fopr recreation, but don't give me the bullshit argument about protecting yourself from the government. Given that the U.S. government can't even pass proper healthcare laws or educate its people let alone overthrow the democracy and create a dictatorship.

The US can't pass 'proper' healthcare laws because no one agrees on what that is. Education is in a similar situation.

Not to even mention the fact that if a dictatorship ever comes to be in the U.S., it'll be self-inflicted and not forced.

That won't stop people resisting.

The self defense argument is not that strong either. Sure home defense, I can get behind that to some degree, but having a 9mm glock protecting your house or a 7.62 FN SCAR will seriously not make a difference and I hope you can argue that having high powered rifles out and about isn't that ideala situation considering you can blow the tits off of someone with that thing from 800 metres away and there's only so much police weapons can do about that.

Surely as a soldier you recognize the value of an autoloading long arm in the defense. As for 'high powered rifles', hunting arms are more powerful and accurate at ranges exceeding 300 meters than any of the arms many propose banning the ownership of.

Open carry to protect against an active shooter situation? Hilarious. Even police officers, fuck me even regular army infantry personnel aren't equipped and/or trained enough to handle an active shooter event. That's why there are tactical response teams to begin with. And you're telling me 52-year-old uncle Bob from Tennessee,  the old cowboy indoor range tiger, is capable enough to stop a shooter at church on Sunday next week without killing a few more extra innocents? That's not sensible at all.
Besides that, there have already been instances when an active shooter event was happening where civilians were carrying weapons... That turned out to be a significant clusterfuck because as soon as there were multiple armed people out and about nobody knew anymore who the shooter was in the first place.

And yet there are numerous cases in which shootings have been stopped by "52-year-old- uncle Bob from Tennessee, the old cowboy indoor range tiger". Funnily enough, a handful of them have been at churches on Sunday.

And the Us constitution specifically mentions the necessity of a well regulated militia in regards to the right to bear arms. It's actually pretty ambiguous to be honest.

It's really not. Regardless of the preamble, it quite definitively states its purpose.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 04:26:12 pm »

"People" ≠ "Militia"
The former is used in the context of who is granted the right to bear arms, the latter is not.

As to helping those with health issues, we do our best to create the change.

I am not against gun ownership per se personally, but what Ican't understand is why people are so imcredubly fucking spastic when it comes to just implementing a simple background check...

Because the background checks already exist, and we have to explain that to everyone who argues on the topic because they're hilariously misinformed on the state of American firearm law.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 04:12:19 pm »

Not throwing your rights on the pyre isn't a sign that people don't care. It's simply not being stupid. We've done it before, and we're not keen to repeat the mistake.

The stigma against those with mental illness needs to end. People with mental illnesses need access to proper treatment. I think that's something we can all agree on.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 03:58:34 pm »

Failure to pass legislation in the past is really no argument why no attempt should be made. All new legislation failed before.

This. Your entire argument Boberton is that is hasn't been done before...

Is that not the base of his argument about American mental health care?

Draconian firearm legislation of the variety you think necessary will never pass in the United States. The environment for it didn't exist when over a dozen school children were killed, nor does it exist now.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 03:19:03 pm »

Offering better mental health help for people? We both know that won't happen in the US with your healthcare track record.

And your solution is something you know won't happen in the US, with our track record on firearm legislation?

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 01:45:29 am »

But not from taking a truck or bomb to the crowd and doing just as much damage. Keep in mind that the killer in Las Vegas was a multi-millionaire. He had no shortage of options.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 01:39:29 am »

You solve the underlying social problems, like the almost complete lack of education present for the populations of dense urban areas, where the vast majority of these crimes are committed. Taking the guns solves nothing.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 01:35:41 am »

Just tired of people acting like a crime committed with a firearm is more heinous or special than one committed with any other weapon, and going after that specifically, in lieu of tackling the much larger and more difficult problem of crime in general.

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 01:27:44 am »

I don't know what that is though.

And yet just a short while ago you were very definitively stating that it was due to our "gun culture".

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Off Topic / Re: The General Political Thread

« on: October 08, 2017, 12:54:17 am »

So you're saying that access to firearms doesn't correlate with their use in crime?